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Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent (2)

In the first part of this series, I had established the fact that, religious beliefs are founded on and thrives on the concept of "original sin".

Purpose of this piece is to expose this concept as a negative psychological tool, employed by the obscurantists of God idea, to hold humans bound to religious slavery. It's unfortunate, that the captives of religion, are unaware of the obscurantic mechanism that is at work.

If a God can make you accept eternal guilt consciousness, that results from a sin that is not connected to your personal irresponsibility, then you can be held forever at the mercy of such a God.

There's a principle in theology, this principle is the foundation on which the idea of the transcendency of God beyond the definition of good and evil is built. I paraphrase it as - "privileged revelation of an infinite God". By this principle, theologians says that there's nothing known or can be known, except that which God choose to reveal by himself, to whom he chooses, and at the time he chooses.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
How does this relate to the concept of original sin?

The generational twist to the judgement of original sin, is also as unfounded as the alleged commission of the original sin.

1. Sin and its judgment is generational (first revelation of God on sin idea)

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the children's children, to the third and to the fourth generation.

2. Sin and its judgment is not generational (second revelation of God on sin idea)

Ezekiel 18:1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying,
Ezekiel 18:2 What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Ezekiel 18:3 As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

According to theologians again, if the second revelation on the same idea (sin) conflicts the first one, the second revelation, becomes Supreme, and automatically becomes the final word of God, on the idea.

Based on this principle, THE JUDGMENT OF ORIGINAL SIN CAN'T HAVE EFFECT BEYOND ADAM AND EVE.

Based on logic also, if two statements contradict each other on an idea, the two statements can't define the idea truly.

Haggai 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, said the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, said the LORD of hosts.

The later/second revelation of God on sin/judgment idea, is greater than the former/first revelation.

Conclusion:

the generational imputation of the judgment of the original sin (eternal guilt consciousness), can't be established biblically. There's no biblical basis for guilt, therefore, there's is no need for forgiveness from any God.

Anas09:
I was studying my Bible this morning, a question came to my mind. pls permit me to ask you so that we can learn from each other. Here is my question sir;

Why did it take God so long to bring to pass His promise of the 'Seed of the woman' he promised in the garden of Eden?

Thanks for your time.

It's really amusing why a book, that contains myriads of obsolete claims, can't be reviewed to accommodate latest discoveries that are backed by facts.

What possible mindsets would folks who romances a primitive and anachronistic claims have? That will not be fair and correct, to say that such mindsets will at best be ridiculously absurd.

Why it took the Jewish Idol so long? Here's the answer :

The nazarene through philosophy and psychology, found the similitude of Grecian myths and legend in the Torah, and he took advantage of it, to form extremist faction of Judaism - Judeo-Christian religion.

It takes a different mental slant, to become a terrorist, religious freak, psychopath, sociopath or pervert.

shadeyinka:
Atheists to me are just Rebranded Hypies of the 70. This time around, the rebellion isntbagainst the society but against God Himself.

Full atheism will leadbtoba society that will self destruct

I haven't heard from you since i suggested a debate topic to you.

Well, you may also consider this one, in case you didn't find the other topic acceptable.

Topic: Shadeyinka Vs Akintom: A Society Without God!

*The society in its nativity is passive to God idea

*The awe of the beauty and diversity of the society, ascribed to the causality of god idea is a pessimistic position, in the art of curiosity.

*optimistic, initiative and critical approach to curiosity, is the only relevant factor in the adjustment to the dynamism of the society.

I assert that the society has thrived without the "untraceable interventionist god". And it will thrive better, if god idea is annihilated.

Waiting.......

MrPRevailer:
Youre very wrong. And you should hear yourself when you speak.

You have clearly betrayed the odious manners of typical apologists here.

Always quick, albeit pompously, to arrogate to themselves the attitude of all knowing species.

Equally arrogant are the apologists, just in the same texture of the Satan they vilify upandan.

MrPRevailer:
What causes our leaders to steal the country's money and embezzle funds.

Defective and lame justice system.

MrPRevailer:
How can that be attributed to religon? Where does religon, esp. criticized christianity support such? This is Greed and Lust inherent in human nature.

*Religion says don't judge, but leave judgment to God.
*religion says god appointed leaders, so they should be revered
*religion says forgive ALL offenses.
*religion says don't hold past offense against a man in the present.

If you ever can understand how, these worldviews messes up justice system, then you will come to terms with my drift.

Have you ever heard any leader of African descent, that doesn't romance all the above trash.

The Gambian idiot is calling out a "god fearing" zombie to come and conduct another election.

MrPRevailer:
And then these same people spoil the name of religon by using it(religon) to cover up. When they're found guilty, criticisms will also fall on his religon.

We take them to the cleaners because in the first instance, they claimed that there's something in the nature of some spirit that makes them "unsinable".

MrPRevailer:
Example was christianity made to harbour Fornication, smoking and drinking, corruption? no. But you see people/pastors into such evil practises and tagging themselves Christians thereby spoiling the image of Christianity.

It's because the image is in the first place fraudulent and fabricatous.

MrPRevailer:
The world is looking for every excuse to criticize Christianity, directly or indirectly. Because the world (you and other millions) knows that its works are evil and trying to kill such conscience by faulting christianity any means.

Christianity has largely been dispirited and you know it. It's being demystified by the day.
You know why? Christianity was meant to be outgrown by honest and intelligent folks.
Only those who are progenitorially idiotic, romances it till death.

Heavenly102:
Being true to pure logic both atheists and believers are fools. Because they have patterned their lives on assumptions, you can't prove God's existence nor can you prove his non-existence. What you can do is to prove that people's ideas of God are untrue. So if you were to prove Christianity to be false, Islam to be false or any other religion. You still could not rule out God, and other religions would spring forth. Agnostics are the only people who are true to pure logic, everyone else decides based on personal experiences. Hardmirror is an atheist because he 'found' out how many pastors fake miracles. Winner01 is a Christian because God makes most sense to him/her but both do not have unquestionable proof even the ScienceWatch dude who always claims of the verifiable miracles of SCOAN.

Atheism isn't anything about proving the inexistent of god, that's the burden the theists will forever carry. It's simply lack of belief in god.

The god idea is an assumptively a childish one. Which some apologists, in whom honesty can be stimulated, will outgrow over time.

shadeyinka:
The question was How theists come to their conclusions!
And I said,

By Every means!
Logical, Experiential, Experimental, Scientific, and Psychological


So, all hatchets buried! LOL
Stay blessed.

Though my rebuttals may have been vitriolic, as perceived by few apologists here, but i harbour no grudge or bitterness against the very god idea or its children.

Just that the crass overreaching of these folks, needed to be contained, therefore the shocking vibes.

I shall like to engage you one on one.

Topic: Shadeyinka Vs Akintom: the process of Christian Religion conclusions.

I assert that the process by which Christian religion, arrived at its conclusions on god idea is by REVELATION, and no other means.

*How did god idea ever entered human experience?

*was it god that introduced itself to man?

*was it man that found god?

*How did the contact happen?

If it's okay by you, do let me know.

Gracias

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hopefulLandlord:
we owe it to the next generation

we want our children and their children to question everything, to hear something and say to themselves "Hmmm this sounds dumb, I'm not buying that but let me google it first and see if its true, see arguments for and against then make my stand on it"

This can't be said of folks who are anticipatorily excited that children will be burnt in hell.

They abhor kindness, liberty, equality, freedom and pursuit of happiness. They are so mean and horrific in their wishes and desires, towards humanity.

HardMirror:
I won't waste time typing an epistle.

Money Rituals
You argue endlessly that blood money is real. Name the world billionaires that did money rituals

Have you seen how poor and wretched those who even sell the human parts are? Why sell a human head for as cheap as N5,000 when that head has potential of vomiting Millions or even Billions? At least you have done a terrible thing by killing a fellow human, the least you can do is to at least sell the parts for more reasonable amount of money. Does this not tell you it's all a scam?

Ok ok, you have Heard stories of people turning to snake in hotel when they went to meet an "Alhaji" and the Alhaji used the lady for money rituals and she turned to a big snake with Human head. Such stories are only seen on cheap blogs and magazines, you don't see such an Epic story on Channels TV or AIT or BBC. You only Hear how many have you seen ? Have you ever seen evidence of people vomitting money as portrayed in Nollywood movies?

someone could be traffiking drugs and because he keeps his business secret rumors start to fly that such a person did "Blood money"


How more stuupid can people be?

Those Ritualists are only taking advantage of peoples ignorance. I will open a thread to fully discuss this scam later as I have a first hand experience.


Church Miracles

Now this is the most unfortunate one.
We can spend all year discussing this fraud called church miracles but I will make it simple.

In what situation does one need God's intervention and a miracle?
Definitely in situations where man is helpless.

Do I need prayers to get a wife? NO
Do I need a miracle to get a Job? NO

A Real need of miracle is to see amputated limbs grow not headaches cured.

A real need of a miracle is to demand a beheaded man be resurrected not someone in coma coming back from coma.

Why are people praising God? Where is the miracle?
With millions people who get one part or the other amputated every year, why is it that we don't see at least ONE just ONE amputee's limbs growing back just once in 10years?

But every sunday around the world hundreds of millions of christians are sharing testimonies of God's miracles Yet NOT ONE amputee even just once in 10 years!


Satanists

Oh yeah, the most deluded of the bunch. They believe satan gives them everything instantly unlike God. Lol
They claim they interact with demons
They claim they can travel out of their bodies.

YET no satanist can travel out of his body and go and deliver a message to another satanist just the way we pick up our phones and call friends to discuss. Or should we put it to the test? I give you a message and you use your astral projection to go and deliver the message accurately?
Not possible!
So why are there people who believe this Nonsense?
Human stupidity!

African Bullet proof!
It's astonishing that almost 99% of Nigerians believe this magic exists. Even highly supposedly educated intellectuals.
Wait a minute.
Do you know that we don't even have good herbalists in this generation compared to 100years ago when our forefathers were full blooded traditionalists?

When our local warriors where 100% soaked in Charms and voodoo?

Go back 100 years in african history and you will see how the Europeans came to Africa with their guns and razed down many of our villages and ancient cities including the Great Benin kingdom.

Where was the bullet proof charm? Did any European run back to Europe to tell tales of a people that bullet and knives could not penetrate?

If they experience such, trust me it would be part of the history we would be reading today.

Why are Governments spending Billions of Dollars to buy and develop bullet proof vests and vehicles?

Common sense is indeed not common.

I sure have aversion for long posts, but this one from you is an exception. I kept smiling all through my reading, this intelligently scripted piece.

I still wonder how folks, could be this sold on cockroach dungs.

hopefulLandlord:
don't take too use to this grammar

He will tell you that he was speaking in angelic tongue.

hopefulLandlord:
and giving 10% of your income to a man in suit who'll then use it to buy and maintain his private jet(s)

You guys have done serious and irreparable damage, to the kingdom of the Jewish doG.

Its children here are obviously overwhelmed, and are greatly despair and broken. I really feel their frustration and helplessness.

DoctorAlien:
Don't worry. GOD will annihilate sinners by the fire of His vengeance. Sinners will cease to exist.

At least the people who wrote the Bible were learned, and they knew how to construct good sentences.

Why are you so anticipatorily excited about this illusionary promise of the Jewish doG, to burn itself in hell?

Do you have hideous likeness for roasted human flesh?

Why do you and your scarecrow hate human beings this much?

If i say that the Abrahamic religions adherents, are samples of clinical case of chronic delusion, you will go into the usual and false denial mood.

Hanaway:
Christianity in itself is a concept that doesn't fail to amaze me. How can people be carrying out a monotonous exercise till eternity, I mean worshipping God for all eternity?

So when God's slated day of rapture comes, he will then separate the good from bad and plunge the rest into hell.

And he believes taking such action would shield his beloved heaven against evil? He might as well deny them their mind and make them mindless robots. On second thought, in that case, he shouldn't have given humans the gift of freewill right from the start.

The person who wrote the bible is really a daft.

Allah's paradise seems more promising. Atleast each man to his 77 virgins and there are wines in abundance.

Not only you brother, i equally find those rituals of Abraham's children not only monotonous, but boring.

Am kind of seeing it as symptomatic of OCD.

As for the Roman government that wrote the Bible, they are not daft as such, because they never wrote the Bible for their use.

Roman government wrote the Bible as mental control tool, just like the book- the making of slave. The bible was written to make men accept idiocy and savagery as a way of life.

MrPRevailer:
It actually makes a lot of sense to you because you don't know anything. Olodo.

The Church is not the cause of underdevelopment in Nigeria. The local and foreign political powers are.

We've been ruled by a military government for over 30 years. And even in Civilian government, their influences have not ceased in Nigeria. So its not the church. Tell your teacher that.
Moreover, Nigeria even though physically out of slavery , still remains under shackles of foreign exploitation of our abundant natural and human resources.

Now this is where the non-olodo answer is.

The singular problem of Nigeria, and by extension Africa is LEADERSHIP.

Now, the mental fabric of most leaders here, is threaded with religious and cultural beliefs, that are informed by irrational fears, ignorance, idiocy, laziness, imprudence, revelling, wastefulness and aversion to sound education.

You see how everything is tied to lame beliefs system? And Abrahamic religions lead the primitive and impotent army.

Orikinla:
Atheists have failed to challenge how biblical dreams and prophecies come true.
How the Psalms of King David and prophecies of Prophet Isaiah accurately foretold the birth, passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord, Saviour and Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Accuracy?

The author, editors, proof readers, cinematographers, cameramen, and all folks, that developed the Spiderman story, are more accurate in their work.

Men who are purely religious obscurantists sat to fabricate a story, right in the city of Rome, via collection of different works of folks who belong in the same traditional religion. why would similarities not be found in their works?

This same Bible have different versions, has been edited and it's still being edited. The creation of whatever the apologists call accuracy, is cooked up this way.

Christians are simply progenitors of deliberate idiocy.

Anas09:
HELLO BRETHREN.

IGNORE.



IGNORE..



IGNORE...


KEEP IGNORING TILL THE THREAD DIES.

It's a pity.

The usual apologist' hypocrisy - do as i say, and not as i do.

You asked them to ignore (which is impossible for them anyway ), but here you are, you didn't ignore.

What do i call you now?

I must admit this to your credit. You at this moment, happen to be the only Christian apologists (i assume so) on NL, that pleasantly impress me, with your manner of engagement. I sincerely commend you.
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shadeyinka:
Sorry I made a typo error: I meant you assume that Atheism is synonymous with science while theism is speculative. That is wrong. Very wrong.
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I sometimes seriously get worried, if you do take time to think through some of your responses. Or is it a deliberate attempt to drag issues?

For instance, this issue of what forms the basis of atheists belief system, has been told you on this thread.

I asked you then, what will you call a belief system that says that all that can be said to be REAL and TRUE, must be known through knowledge that is developed by OBSERVATION and not by REVELATION (the source of theistic beliefs).

shadeyinka:
There is a void/gap in knowledge of man and theists say
Not every thing has a physical explanation. Not every of such is about God eg LOVE!

Is Love real?, Is it quantifiable?, Is it imaginary?
You know the answer to this however, atheist are so polarised against God that they throw away the baby with the bath water. And they hide their hatered under a futuristic solution. Any solution is acceptable as long as God isn't involved (some atheist even believe in aliens!)
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I will not be drawn in different directions, when engaging anyone this time and henceforth.

Your thread is about incest and how you attempt to premise it wrongly on the position of atheism.

It will serve a general good, if we stay focused on that.

shadeyinka:
Since knowledge isn't perfect, it is arrogance to conclude you know all. ?

You're certainly referring to Christian apologists, who claimed that god is the source of all that is known, and that will ever be known.

You folks went on to say that, this completely completeness of god as the all knowable, can't be questioned or investigated.

Just obedience to the revealed fraction, will earn you folks the rewards of eternal bliss.

This line of thoughts from you, is what informed my calling your consciousness of what you write, to question earlier.

shadeyinka:
An example is the origin of the universe. Theists know that the source of consciousness cannot be probed to know how He came about. ?

You seem not to know the gravity of the word "know" in relation to putting forward "a claim". A "know" is not arrived at by assumption or by arbitrariness.

How did you "know" that the source of consciousness can't be probed?

shadeyinka:
Atheists on the other hand feel that consciousness evolved out of nothing. ?

You sure know that there exist different theories, that attempt to explain the source of life. And if you know the scientific meaning of theory, you wouldn't say this.

shadeyinka:
Can't you see that either way, there is a blind spot however, theist know that such answer is beyond any mortal.?

The question again is - how did you folks know?

shadeyinka:
And their the pride of atheist lock in. They feel that in the future, they will know the origin of the source of consciousness. Think about it.?

Remember the conclusion of some scientists few years ago, who claimed that metal will never defy law of gravity, but was rejected by some other scientists, who said there's future chances. Now metal can fly over 500 folks against gravity.

How does the rejection of the conclusion, by the later scientists amount to PRIDE?

shadeyinka:
By Every means!
Logical, Experiential, Experimental, Scientific, and Psychological
?

You mean biblical claims, came about by all of the above?

shadeyinka:
But think of this:
Do you think it is possible to unravel the genesis of atoms and consciousness?

Yes it is possible.

Anas09:
HELLO CHRISTIAN, DO YOU HONOUR CHRIST? THEN IGNORE THIS THREAD.


SHALOM.

It's a pity. The usual apologist' hypocrisy - do as i say, and not as i do.

You asked them to ignore (which is impossible for them anyway ), but here you are, you didn't ignore.

What do i call you now?

hopefulLandlord:
seeking attention here again

Not really brother.
The guy has taken up the "battle for the lord" seriously.
Wherever went the "lord of host", is the question he will not be able to answer.

Deicide:
That day They decided to preach MMM

Just wondered why the Holy Spirit didn't tell them ahead, of the pause mode.

emmasege:
Can the mods please enlighten the House why non-Muslims are not allowed to respond to posts in the Muslim trends/section of nairaland without subscribing to certain fundamentals of Islam?

I stand to be corrected, I don't think this is the case for Christian posts or trends in the forum. Isn't what is good for the goose not good for the gander also?

I propose that same principles be adopted for everyone responding to Christian posts in nairaland and contributors must've affirmed or confirmed the following fundamentals of the Christian faith before they are allowed to reply or quote any post in the Christian section, as the case is in the Islam section.

1. I believe that Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of God born of a virgin birth.
2. I believe in Trinity.
3. I believe Jesus was with God at the beginning and without Christ, there was nothing made that was made.
4. I believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to the father and eternity with God.
5. I believe every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord.
6. I believe that Christ is coming back for His church.

Cc: Lalastica

the jehovah witnesses will fight with the last drop of their blood, on your no 2.

Watch Out for contrary and opposing opinions from your fellow apologists.

Are the Muslims now models for Christians?

Oh, it's a federal character thing

But you folks are not of this kingdom of Satan now

You folks were strongly warned not to associate with unrighteousness and darkness. Why are you folks associating with NL whose CEO is reputed to be the king of unrighteous bunch?

I hereby solemnly pledge, to abide by the creed of religious section of NL, so help me atheism.... I simply lack belief in god.

Niflheim:
QUESTION: But who else would promote such high levels of emptiness and buffoonery?

ANSWER: An empty headed christian buffoon!!!

They love money more than the Jewish scarecrow

Niflheim:
@Akintom,


Intelllectually, on a scale of 1-1000, I give them 0.03%!!!

Imagine christians on Nairaland, searching for "ants with human heads" or "buffalos with parrot feathers!!! It is the height of imbecility!!!

Brother,
Nothing can be more descriptive of their customized idiocy.

shadeyinka:
Homosexuality is a disorder!
Even though, that is not the point of talk today
.

The consensus among the neuropsychological scientists is that, homosexuality is a variant and not deviant sexual orientation.

An authoritative reference for your assertion, might help your position.

shadeyinka:
You have either deliberately or ignorantly assumed that Theists are scientists.
.

No such assumption can ever emanate, from my basic thinking.

shadeyinka:
Theists say that some natural events can be explained scientifically but others cannot.
.

And they immediately assume that it must be god.

shadeyinka:
Atheists say ALL natural events can be explained scientifically.

And those that can't be explained in the present, has future chances of explanation.

shadeyinka:
It is missinformation to assume that theists arrive at ALL their conclusions from subjective or intuitive religious believes
.

By what other means do theist arrive at their conclusions?

Kindly be circumspective in your use of the word "assume", when referring to my assertions about Christian apologists.

I speak of them, based on facts of their beliefs system and its implications.

Anas09:
Akin Thomas. Tell your Master that Christianity is a revelation of the Kingdom of God. Its invincible/invisible.

You failed before you started.

How does writing my name make you feel?

*help your invocation and incantation to be more effective?

*sending your "spiritual" arrows to my real name, as against my moniker, will help your magic to be precise?

*You're now perplexed and dried of useful rebuttals?

You know what? am real, visible and known atheist.

Deal with that.

shadeyinka:
That is why the forbidding of incest is one of the characteristics of civilization. Organized way of life for a community. The scope may be narrow or wide but at its minimal level, it excludes fathers, mothers, children sleeping with beach other outside marriage. If incest is promoted, a brick in the wall of our civilization is removed. The question is how many bricks has to be removed before the whole wall come tumbling down?

This ambiguously written.

shadeyinka:
the question isnt about thebend of religion. Religion is part of the current civilization we live in. The question should bebwhat happens when everything that has to do with religion is done away with. You will agree with me that if religion never existed, civilization would not be as itbis today

Religion is just one of the ideologies that be in the world. Human experience and civilization would still have progressed in this manner and fashion, without religious ideology.

shadeyinka:
The same way you accept homosexuality as variant form of sexual orientation is the same way incest is varient. The same logic!

Incest is cultural behavior and a descriptive word for a sexual act (psychological).

While homosexuality is a physiological behavior.

So, no common logical basis between the two.

shadeyinka:
Complete lie.
Just a little test,: on the average of all the scientists who we ever knew from Archimedes, to Einstein to Hopkins, what percentage is atheistic.

Atheism isn't synonymous with science, knowledge or Inquiry!
Get this fact straight!

This why i keep saying that Christian apologists are either mischievous or are in deed ignorant and primitive in their thinking.

How do you define a system of beliefs, that insist that anything that is said to EXIST or TRUE, MUST be based on knowledge that is developed through OBSERVATION (atheistic beliefs) and not REVELATION (religious beliefs).

Anas09:
but let me imform you that, you cannot wipe Christianity out, because true Christianity is not religion.

That "true" Christianity is being effectively wiped out now. Consider the following:

* Christian messages and dominantly about material success, witchcraft hunting, leadership, relationships seminars, comedy and dance hall songs night shows.

* fetish and idolatrous (Christian branding of traditional religion) materials eg mantle, olive oil, armband, stickers chaplets, have effectively replace the rebellious nazarene.

* right here, atheistic thoughts and threads have dominated the NL apologists.

Whatever you meant by "true" Christianity is not religion, is definitely from your written dictionary.

availableisme:
Civility is a word you need to study.

You will do well to teach that to yourself and your fellows, who are fixated in your very fashion.

availableisme:
Surely if you have taken your time to observe this thread nobody has been rude or insulting to anyone here until you brought yourself into the mix. You would do well to simmer down a few notches and speak intelligently and respectfully. If you have inner problems which propelled you to speak in this manner then deal with them and do not transfer them to people who know nothing or have anything to do with your inner disputes.

You certainly know that there is yet no other word to describe thoughts, that in all known measures are nonsensical and idiotic.

And it's intelligent to be able to identify such nonsense in folks thoughts, so that the appropriate remedy can be administered.

To respect inimical thoughts and ideas is anti scientific culture and traditions.

Folks who are malicious and distortful in the information they put in public domain, do have the appropriate descriptive names.

Deal with that.

shadeyinka:
Today, we have a culture that forbids incest almost throughout the world.

This is obviously a normal trend of civilization. Just as we still have culture that neither criminalizes or victimizes incest -

Incest is sexual activity between family members or close
relatives.

This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity , such as individuals of the same household , step relatives, those related by
adoption or marriage , or members of the same clan or
lineage .

shadeyinka:
I would want us to focus only on this vis-à-vis: The Wonderful Logics of Atheism and INCEST!

You will do well to state this your "wonderful" logic.

shadeyinka:
[b]How you ever wondered how the world would be when Atheism becomes the worlds only "religion"?

You will do well to isolate yourself from bunch of NL mischievous and ignorant apologists who don't know the basic differences between religion and a mere belief system.

*an end of religion is an end of implicit and explicit idiocy and delusion, of the religious type.

*an end of religion, is an end to vicious hatred, victimization, segregation and terrorism.

*an end to religion, is an end to indoctrination of children against critical reasoning, creative thinking inhibitions, and rejection of inimical myths and superstitions.

*an end to religion, is an end to psychological traumatizing of children with horrific, monstrous and ubiquitous skydaddy, that poke nose around and will throw them to hell, if its nonsensical rules are not obeyed.

shadeyinka:
Let's look at a typical Atheist logic about a theme as homosexuality. Most atheists are heterosexual BUT they see nothing wrong with Homosexuality because as far as they are concerned, as long as

1. The act of homosexuality is consensual
2. The Homosexuality is between Adults
3. The sexual act is hurting no one
Then, it should be respected as a NORMAL and VALID way of life and sexual expression.

Another puerile and foolish vomit of a typical apologist, on atheistic position.

Atheists accept in the present, homosexuality as a variant and NOT deviant sexual orientation. Based on this knowledge, they shouldn't be subjected to harassment, victimization and criminalization, based on religious laws, that are in the first place not informed by any known sound or scientific reasoning.

shadeyinka:
Today, let's use the same logic for incest.

That same logic? I have told you the definition of that "same" logic as nonsensical.

shadeyinka:
Fathers, Mothers, Children (adults) having consensual sex with each other as acceptable sexual orientation.

Now, to Atheists on Nairaland,(assuming pregnancy is ruled out)
Would incest be acceptable way of life?
Should this be encouraged ?
Would this be immoral?

Or (as a single question)

What is the stance of Atheism on Incest?

Wrong questions on wrong premises.

shadeyinka:
The answer you give will show us whether civilization will Collapse under the rule of Atheism or Advance.

Non religious beliefs have advanced the world, to beautiful and beneficial level we are witnessing. As against the primitive and stone age that religion will prefer it remains.

shadeyinka:
I am sure that few atheists will respond to this: it is like giving them a rope to hang themselves.

This further confirm the disease of "over assumption in idiocy", that plagues most apologists. No one is as pathetic as a chronic case of religious delusion.

How do you feel, when you find yourself in the company of court jesters?

Just catching the fun