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bawomolo:
nigerian traditional rules should be stripped of their political influence. clowns like the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, oba of benin etc are an hinderance to democracy.

That's much more easier said than done because if it is done, some people might interpret it to mean that the traditional institutions are not given enough recognition by the state.

*sings**

[size=17pt]PRAISE DA  LORD
               O SINGO SINGO
                PRAISE DA LORD!!![/size]

Best wishes for Mimiko and the others, while we in Oyo state muster fortitude to go through our situation.

*sings*

[size=29pt]PRAISE DA LORD
O SINGO SINGO
PRAISE DA LORD!!![/size]


I wish Mimiko the best.

imhotep:
No passage in the bible supports this your claim - and you contradict YOUR sola scriptura.


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Let me repeat my earlier post

The bible was compiled and approved about 320 years after Paul wrote this to letter Timothy. Paul never saw the bible as it is today. So, which scripture was Paul referring to??

Obviously here, and in most references to "the Scriptures" that we find in the New Testament, Paul is speaking of the Old Testament. If this passage is going to be used to set the limits on inspired authority, then the entire New Testament will be excluded.

From this post, I realise that you find it difficult to understand that Paul and all the other writers of the books of the bible were only the mouthpieces of God. All scripture was inspired by Him, old or new testament. The reason why God did not get a pen and a paper to write down the bible where He is in heaven and then throw it down to the earth for men on the earth whom He has given the ability and intellect to do the same is not far-fetched.

The only way I have contradicted myself on this thread is by arguing, when I earlier stated that I would not. Hence as a sign of my dignity and self-respect, I shall no longer engage in any argument on this particular thread. It's not because I don't have anything to say.

And finally, God bless you.

How am I contradicting myself? You said that I should provide evidence that the NT was 'somehow' given to Paul. And I did just that. If you are talking about me saying the OT is as authentic as the NT, they both constitute scripture/the bible. So what makes them equally authentic is the word 'all'.

God bless you.

You are trying to claim that the list of  books in the NT were somehow revealed to Paul .

I'm not sure of what you mean by 'list'. I still refer to 2 Timothy 3:15-17. All scripture was given. If it was given then obviously there had to be a recipient. All that Paul wrote in the new testament was given "by the inspiration of God".

Paul never saw the bible we have now, he was referring to the OT

God knew the whole bible. And generally speaking, the OT is not more or less authentic than the NT. I'm sure you know that. God bless.

The Someone was referring to God not Paul. Paul obviously did not write the whole of the NT.

Henrydan how can u be contacted pls?

No news yet

Paul never saw the bible we have now, he was referring to the OT.

Moses never saw Adam, but he wrote the book of Genesis. It was revealed to him.

The scripture in Timothy says ALL SCRIPTURE. Using a natural example, God is the boss and the various people that wrote books of the bible are secretaries. At the end of the day, it is not the secretary that gets praise for the work. The writers of the bible are only mouthpieces of Someone who knows ALL things and showed it to them whether they were/were going to be there or not.

God bless you.

Sorry I don't think so. Jesus for example taught His disciple about things that were never going to happen in their lifetimes e.g. the signs of the end.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit knew that it would not be possible to update the bible so certain things were put by Him for 'future reference'.

I also suggest that you consider this scripture->

John 17:17 ---->

"Sanctify them through thy truth, thy WORD is TRUTH"

That's why anything that is not 'sola scriptura' can never be 100% reliable like 'sola scriptura'.

They are still listing the evidence of witnessess concerning irregularities. I'm not an expert but it sounds like PDP will lose.

The sitting just started. Let's keep each other posted.

[size=13pt][b]MC USMAN I AM THILLED TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS THEREAD OF YOURS IS OFFICALLY A FAILURE. PELE.[/[/size]

[size=16pt]McUsman you get issues oh!!![/size]

You guys are mad. I might as well just copy and paste the whole thread here,

ALL OF YOU JUST DEY WRITE CONTEMPORARY SONGS, YOU'VE FORGOTTEN OUR GOOD OLD NAIJA PRAISE SONGS, THE MOST POPULAR OF WHICH IS:


Praising da Lord, always
Praising[i] da[/i] Lord, always
Praising[i] da [/i] Lord
With all my heart
Praising da Lord with all my heart always

(Halleluyah)
My Lord is good (3x)
He's good to me

(Oluwa dara)
Oluwa dara (3x)
O dara fun mi

(Chineke dinma)
Chineke dinma (3x)
Chineke dinma

(Alllhah desha)
Alllhah desha (3x)
Allhah desha

****The last stanza was controversial because of mention of 'Allhah'. Sorry I had to mispell it cos Seun values his safety and has censored Allllhah.lol.

Special shout out to all choir membaz!!!!!!!!. 1.

[quote author=blue-sky link=topic=113102.msg2070310#msg2070310 date=1205875137]israel and new breed - Alpha & Omega

this song is the best, always touches my heart!

You are Alpha and Omega
We worship you our Lord
you are worthy to be praised

We give you all the glory
we worship you our Lord
you are worthy to be praised[/quote]Yeah, Israel Houghton put 'juju' inside that song. It is sure one of the most anointed songs of this millenium so far. The song is a testimony; first time we ministered it in my former church, it tore the place apart mehn!

Would this imply that the Holy Spirit stopped acting in the Catholic church after the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD?

In my opinion, the Holy Spirit is best represented through the bible, and in outward manifestations of His prescence upon believers e.g. speaking in tongues, gifts of the spirit etc. Hence, sola scriptura all the way men.


There are a lot of things that people in the 'catholic' (sure u understand the quote by now) church have misinterpreted by their own reasoning of things. I don't want to go into any more details because I didn't  write in this thread to argue. Arguing here is quite pointless. Especially when the person you are contending with knows all your arguments and have their own counter-arguments ready to fire back. And they are also responsible adults that have the right to their own opinions, correct and incorrect alike. Notwithstanding, no argument can change the TRUTH.

@ Imhotep.

I see that you have been emphasizing this whole issue about the Catholic church being the most organised, quote and unquote, of the 33,001 sects. I would just like to state for the record that God never created denomination. It is all man's idea. Now as for the reason why the 'protestants' and 'anglicans and 'baptists' and what have you refuse to give Mary any special honor, or pray to/through her etc, there is an origin to every 'denominational' school of thought.
I do not see myself as being part of any denomination. I cannot be called a catholic because I do not believe that Mary should be prayed through nor worshipped nor given equal respect as any member of the Godhead. This is simply because I do not see that in any part of my bible, Jesus in teaching us how to pray did not talk about Mary, none of the rest of the New Testament books say anything about her (I think). And then most importantly, I believe in 'sola scriptura', because my bible tells me that ALL scripture was inspired by God. (for the 'catholics' understanding, we could say that the Holy Spirit was the one who gave the people at the Synod of Hippo the exact books to add to the bible, probably because those were the only books that were inspired by Him). Any other thing as far as i'm concerned is not 100% reliable/ as reliable as the bible.
I do not see myself as being a part of any sect. I just run with exactly what the scriptures say. Any other thing, quotable quotes, philosophy etc that you may want to add must have a scriptural foundation. And most importantly, we must all (esp sysuser) come to a reality of the fact that every man is entitled to his/her belief system. We are permitted to strongly disagree (like I do with the sect that men have chosen to call 'catholics') but my dear brother Sysuser, attacking their beliefs with sentiments involved is not going to convince them. It is only embarrassing you (and me) more and more. If god were to treat you the way you treat them every time you did something He did not agree with, you would be dead by now. There is no argument that does not have a valid counter-argument so people are bound to always disagree.

And finally, i am not a 'catholic' neither am I a member of the '33,000' other sects. Infact imhotep, I must commend you for your reserch, quite enlightening, and disturbing. So many 'sects', so many churches, so many preachers and yet very little difference between the people of God and the others.

Tribunal orderes fresh polls in 4 lgas.

May kelly:
It is well known that a Man should love his wife, no matter what. So a Man with more than a wife, does he share the same LOVE to all his wives.?? that is A Man With Many Wives Do Have Equal Love For All The Wives?

The same word of God does not permit marriage to more than one wife. You can't take a part of the bible and neglet the other.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/sun/16032008/news/news16.html

NO matter where the pendulum of victory swings as the Oyo State Governorship Election Petition Tribunal decides tomorrow, one thing is certain: there will be an appeal.

Counsels to the plaintiffs and the defendant had, throughout the period the trial lasted, argued and marshalled their points to the admiration and consternation of the watching public. But despite all the brilliant display by the counsels, none can actually come out to say where the pendulum of victory will swing in the next 24 hours.

The two camps, are however, optimistic of victory. Their positive dispositions are hinged on the way and manner they were able to argue their cases before the eminent jurists.

During the legal tussle, which lasted over nine months, the political combatatants entered the media and if judgments were to be delivered based on media advantages, the public would have determined where the pendulum of victory will swing.

Since that is not the case, many people are eagerly awaiting tomorrow’s judgement.

The tribunal is expected to rule on two petitions, which border on the eligibility of Alao-Akala to contest the poll due to his earlier indictment by a five-man panel set up by former Governor Rasheed Ladoja to look at his administration of the state while he was impeached for 11 months. The panel was said to have found him guilty of alleged corrupt practices. The second allegation was that of alleged violence and multiple voting and rigging at the April 14, 2007 governorship election in the state.

The All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP), governorship candidate in theApril 14 polls, Senator Abiola Ajimobi, had challenged the election victory of Governor Adebayo Alao-Akala as announced by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC).

Ajimobi, through his counsel, had described the election that produced Governor Akala as a sham and which was marred by violence and electoral malpractices. He, therefore, asked the tribunal to declare him as the duly elected governor of the state.

Counsel to Ajimobi had equally argued that the PDP candidate was not qualified to have contested the election abinitio,because he had earlier been indicted by an Administrative Panel of Inquiry set up by former administration in the state under the leadership of Senator Rasheed Ladoja.

Apart from that, they also wanted Akala to be disqualified from occupying the governorship seat because he was dismissed from the police service, which automatically disqualifies him from contesting or occupying public office.

The opposition to the governorship victory of Governor Akala had sought to nullify his ascension to the office of the governor on three major platforms, namely, election rigging in Ogbomosoland, indictment by an administrative panel, and dismissal from the police.

Counsels to the parties, expectedly, made spirited efforts to convince the eminent jurists to sway judgment in their favour, with each advancing arguments to butress their claims.

Counsel to the petitioner, Chief Niyi Akintola (SAN) in his address urged the tribunal to declare his client, Senator Ajimobi, the duly elected governor, arguing that the exercise was marred with violence and if the act of violence was found to be overwhelming by the tribunal, the election should be nullified and fresh election ordered.

On the indictment, Akintola asked the tribunal to agree with him that the former deputy governor’s indictment by an administrative panel ahead of the poll, disenfranchised him from contesting and urged the tribunal to disregard the citation of counsel to the governor that by virtue of the current development, the indictment case is a dead matter.

In his argument, counsel to Governor Akala,Chief Lateef Fagbemi (SAN),declared that since elections were conducted on polling unit basis, whoever wishes to nullify the result of the election, must put forward evidence of irregularities in each of the polling units.He, therefore, prayed the court to disregard the alleged irregularities cited by the petitioner noting that the errors discovered in the calculation of votes in some polling units were human errors, pointing out that such errors were also discovered in the calculation of votes in the polling units where the petitioner was declared winner. On the indictment, Akala’s counsel stated that the issue had been overflogged. He cited the latest decision of the Apex Court which applied in the case of Abubakar Audu and Ibrahim Idris in Kogi State, and submitted that it was no longer acceptable to allow the issue of indictment to be used as apolitical weapon to persecute opponents.

It will also be recalled that the opposition had equally challenged the electoral victory of five members of the State House of Assembly, who had also won their election on the platform of the PDP.

Just few weeks ago, the Election Petition Tribunal in its judgment upheld the election of the lawmakers, hinging its decision on the inability of the petitioners to establish beyond reasonable doubts, their claim of electoral malpractices.

The decision of the tribunal to uphold the election of the lawmakers from Ogbomosoland, was said to have thrown the camp of the governor into frenzy.

The election of the governor and that of the lawmakers took place the same day. Governor Akala was said to have scored almost the same number of votes with the lawmakers during the election which took place simultaneously, and if the election of the lawmakers could be upheld by the tribunal, then Akala, whose election victory in Ogbomosholand is being challenged, according to his camp, has no cause to worry.They had declared that,”with reference to the members of the House of Assembly, so far, the PDP had won over 80 percent of the petitions in the state. We believe that our lawyers have canvassed and submitted impregnable evidences and any hope by the petitioners can only be forlorn.”

The Ogbomosho situation was even mentioned during the Presidential Tribunal judgement which stated that the issue of violence in Ogbomosholand as claimed by the petitioners was a criminal offence which needed to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.The development, the Supreme Court declared, was not even strong enough to invalidate the election that took place in the area.

But the Ajimobi camp was quick to point out that what happened at the House of Assembly Tribunal should not be equated with what would be the likely outcome of the governorship poll.They contended that different lawyers handled the two cases and their manner of argument, presentation of fact and prayers were definitely not the same.

The outcome of the petition as regards the office of the governor would be be a different ball game.

“We are optimistic that the outcome will be in our favour,”they assured.

Akin to the alleged electoral malpractices in Ogbomosholand is the alleged indictment of the governor by a panel of inquiry set up by the former governor, Rasheed Ladoja. On this issue, the Akala group believes that it is a common knowledge that the Supreme Court had settled the matter, and that was the basis on which the presidential candidate of the Action Congress (AC) Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, was allowed to contest the election, after the Supreme Court held that no panel report without a legal stamp could stop anyone from contesting.

Ajimobi’s camp, however, posited that abinitio,Akala, as the then deputy governor had been indicted by the report of an administrative panel of inquiry and was not fit to have contested.

The alleged dismissal of Governor Akala by the Federal Government as a police officer was also an issue. The opposition had presented a photocopy letter purportedly signed by the police authority as a proof that the governor was dismissed from service or compulsorily forced to retire as claimed by the petitioners. But the governor as at today is said to be a pensioner, a status, his camp argue,he would not have enjoyed if the claims by the petitioners were authentic.

However, when the tribunal demanded for a True Certified Copy of the document, the petitioner presented, they were not forthcoming despite the time frame given thepetitioner by the tribunal to present a True Certified Copy.

On this, the Ajimobi’s camp said Akala influenced the none presentation of the copy at the tribunal because of his link in the police, declaring that that will not in any way affect or hinder the delivery of justice in their favour.

The Oyo State governorship tussle and its verdict would tomorrow provide a classic platform with which future electoral challenges at the tribunals would find very difficult to ignore.With all the arguments for and against, it is certain that it is only the tribunal that will decide who wins and who loses.

As the contending parties converge tomorrow on the hallowed chambers of the tribunal, the pendulum of victory and failure is already staring the actors in the face.

[size=16pt]Try yaradua@nigeria.gov.ng. Good Luck. FOOL.[/size]

Tetris.

Have you been able to figure out what the cause of my problem is?

Uncle Ebos, what could possibly be the 'consequences'?