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CAMEROONPRIDE: no wahala. But I thot my Post was enough clear. I said Moslem bigotry 101,

English is a prostituted language, it came across as if I was a Muslim "Bigot"

CAMEROONPRIDE: I'm not a Moslem,God forbid bad things

Ah, . Thanks for clarifying

CAMEROONPRIDE: Moslems bigotry 101: Islam is perfect you are the ones that don't understand

We are seeing how "perfect" it is. Killing unarmed civilians and non-Muslims is "perfect" in your book abi?

africa-down

You are so simple minded. Why did the attackers attack kenya, why not ethiopia? Yemen?

I am the one being simple minded? What does the attackers have in common with Islam? What was the reason for the attack? Is it only Kenya that went to Somalia?

Kenya invaded somalia, they were told to leave, and this was alshabaab responding.

They kill innocent unarmed people is their way of response? Does Allah allow such actions?

Does it matter that they are muslim. They were specifically trying to kill kenyans and americans, they let french and muslims go.

Of course it does - they were killing non-muslims. Get your facts right

Some people are dangeroud because they only hear sound bites

Ignorance is bliss indeed.

Why wasn't the attackers Buddist, or Hindus, or Jews - must it ALWAYS be related to Islam in some way?

maclatunji

God is God. Hence, we don't have gods in Islam. Yes, these events are antiIslamic, abhorable and evil but we must rise above elementary reactions and seek solutions.

What is the solution then?

The best way to honour the dead is do whatever it takes to prevent a recurrence. This means not being overly emotional and tackling the major causal factors which are majorly political.

Again, there is no distinction between politics and religion in Islam. You of all people should know that.

lynpetra: I don't think maclatunji is human!Can't you see so luch damage in the name of your God!Condemn them first before feeling pity for the bereaved!!!!!

He is an Islamic apologist. Ask him if he condemns the action - he will tell you why they are "not muslims"

maclatunji

And what do you think is the point of this attack when almost certainly all of the attackers will be killed/captured?

The ends doesn't justify the means. Why are they not robbers? If they were robbers and they were Muslims, will we be having this discussion. The issue here is the INTENTION of what they are doing.

Yes, they have tried to isolate Muslims but ultimately they have political aims.

They are Islamist terrorist attacking another country to cause havoc and kill. Since you are their political advisor, care to tell us why they are doing it?

Name-calling is easy but strategic thinkers look beyond the basics and look at the bigger picture.

Strategic thinkers huh - you make me laugh

maclatunji: Going by your inability to read and comprehend, I am tempted to believe you are from the stone age.

I don't moderate this section. Moderators have a job to do. If you cannot post without vulgarity, you have a problem.

And we thank God that you don't moderate this section because we KNOW that all of our posts will be hidden or we will be locked out of the thread. It's your specialty - a moderator that can't stand open discussion about his religion

maclatunji: Really? If people fight a government and seek to control territory, they have political objectives. I am yet to see a terrorist group that won't like to control territory.

As for your rant. #Pele

What is Islam if it's not a political system? What is Sharia - if it's not a complete political system? Is there any clear line between politics and religion in Islam?

alnaijiri

I can't believe that you can even ask this question. Well, in this case, Muslim Somalia has been invaded by its neighbouring countries. For a Muslim country to be invaded by non-Muslims is a high insult. Somalis never asked to be flooded by so many foreign troops. Examples like this are everywhere in the world.

Must you always be ignorant. The government of Somalia are not the ones in the WallGate mall. It's your Muslim Fanatics that are killing innocent people. Somalia doesn't have the means to attack Kenya.

But really you need to look no farther than Nigeria, where the Muslim North of this country is severely behind and undeveloped due to decades of systematic neglect. Oil revenues are not equally shared with the North. Puppet leaders are propped up by the political machines of the Nigerian elite. Infrastructure and education spending overwhelmingly in the Xtian South. Media biased against Islam and our way of life. Xtian business people dominate commerce in the North, making money from us and bringing the profit back South. Xtian missionaries run rampant in the North, turning people away from the faith of their fathers. The Nigerian government uses Boko Haram to suspend civic rights in the North, while its army commit mass atrocities against mostly civilians, in the name of fighting terrorism, all without proper trials.

Who's fault is it that they are behind - most of the head of States and presidents have been from the North; clearly they would have developed the north. No - they were busy stashing away the riches of the Southern States and mismanaging. The only tool that can bring people of od ignorance is education - your northern brothers don't have that - they rather quote the Quran than research, develop their own farms, products, technology like other Nigerians have done. All we know the North for is - Sharia and Islamic fundamentalism.

And you're saying Muslims aren't persecuted? How blind can a person be? I wouldn't wish what we're going through on anyone.

Where in Nigeria are muslim been persecuted?

Horus: https://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/66/d66ba93bb8b1a16eaf73714ab15/_h353_w628_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

[size=15pt]One of Africa’s greatest literary icons, Professor Kofi Awoonor killed in Westgate attack[/size]

I love his work and it hurts me such gifted individual was cut down by Islamic fundamentalist.

We haven't gone far and here are Muslims again killing people for no reason

https://www.nairaland.com/1448459/kenya-mall-under-attack-islamic

tintingz: Point of correction Boko haram don't ONLY kill christians in churches they also killed muslims in mosque just quite long.
The Quran NEVER instruct muslims to fight innocent souls, no it doesn't.

Jihad is NOT about war.

Another ignorant Muslim spewing nonsense online. There are many forms of Jihad, saying Jihad is not war is for the uninformed and the ignorant.

maclatunji: Keep your bigotry to yourself. Criminal elements can be found in every race, tribe and religion.

True, but criminal elements don't kill others in the name of God. People rob others, rape and kill - we know that. It's only Muslim terrorists that kill others in the name of Allah.

fittty: Oh! There goes the religion of peace again!. Very peaceful religion!

Indeed

lorretta u: I don't uNderstand how any of this makes sense.
Is there any muslim in the house.?
Just try to explain To us please.
How does this make sense?
Is it a thing of kill them all cos they aren't muslims?I find that hard to believe.no holy book woulds say that.or even if it did,2013 is far ahead enough for us to know what's fair and not.and to avoid following sheepishly whatever a book says.I'm sure if christains practice those old testament method of conversion,killing those who didn't believe in the God of abraham,we'd all have perished by now.
Can we please apply some sense in religion?


But then maybe these people can't
They just have to kill.I bet the cries of the dying peopke sounds like the sweetest melody ever

Why are you wasting your time? The response you will get is "They are not true Muslims".

alnaijiri: [b]Terrorism must be condemned by all Muslims. Muslims are already under severe pressure and persecution in many African countries, how will this lessen their plight? Here're what Muslims in Africa are going through already:

Well, in this case, Muslim Somalia has been invaded by its neighbouring countries. For a Muslim country to be invaded by non-Muslims is a high insult. Somalis never asked to be flooded by so many foreign troops. Examples like this are everywhere in the world.

But really you need to look no farther than Nigeria, where the Muslim North of this country is severely behind and undeveloped due to decades of systematic neglect. Oil revenues are not equally shared with the North. Puppet leaders are propped up by the political machines of the Nigerian elite. Infrastructure and education spending overwhelmingly in the Xtian South. Media biased against Islam and our way of life. Xtian business people dominate commerce in the North, making money from us and bringing the profit back South. Xtian missionaries run rampant in the North, turning people away from the faith of their fathers. The Nigerian government uses Boko Haram to suspend civic rights in the North, while its army commit mass atrocities against mostly civilians, in the name of fighting terrorism, all without proper trials.

I pray that Kenyans will not take out their anger on the Muslims living in their midst. May God protect the Muslims living in Kenya.

[/b]

7th century Arab mentality. Another uninformed and religious blinded individual spewing rubbish online. Is posting on an Internet forum your way of life as well? Does your north produce oil for it to be allocated wealth from the Federation? All you produce is evident in Nigeria - beggars, illiterates, and religious fanatics like your brothers Boko Haram who kill innocent people.

You have the chance in your life to be objective, but as always - your just have to bring your Aboki mentality to derail your common sense. Your stu.pi.dity offends me

[size=15pt]CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS - ISLAMIC HORROR[/size]

Christians in the Islamic world today are suffering attacks motivated by the very same diabolical animus as a 1000 years ago under Hakim. Proof of that is that some of the most terrible assaults occur precisely on Christian holidays - Christmas, Easter, and New Year's Eve (which is a major church day in the Middle East). And no wonder, considering that some Muslim clerics insist that "saying Merry Christmas is worse that fornication...or killing someone

After some 14 centuries of church attacks and other persecution -- punctuated by a brief Christian Golden Age -- Egypt's Copts began the new year in 2011 once again under assault, at one of their largest churches: during midnight Mass in the early hours of January 1, 2011, the Two Saints Coptic Church in Alexandria, crowded with hundreds of Christian worshipers, was bombed, leaving at least 23 dead and approximately 100 injured. According to eyewitnesses, "body parts were covered with newspapers until they were brought inside the church after some Muslims started stepping on them and chanting Jihadi chants," including "Allahu Akbar".

Witnesses further attest that "security forces withdrew one hour before the church blast". A year earlier, Muslims shot and killed 6 Christians as they were leaving church after celebrating the Coptic Christmas Eve midnight Mass in Nag Hammadi.

December 25, 2011, was called Nigeria's "blackest Christmas ever. In a number of coordinated jihadi operations, Reuters reported, Islamic terrorists bombed several churches during Christmas liturgies, killing at least 38 people, "the majority dying on the steps of a Catholic church after celebrating Christmas Mass as blood pooled in dust from a massive explosion". Charred bodies and dismembered limbs lay scattered around the destroyed church. This attack was simply a reenactment of Christmas Eve one year earlier in 2010, when several other churches were set ablaze and Christians were attached, also leaving nearly 38 dead. There was no reprieve for Nigeria's Christians when the next religious holiday came, some 50 Christians were killed "when explosives concealed in two cars went off near the Assemblies of God's Church during Easter Sunday Services in Aprial 2012 in a predominately Muslim region". According to the pastor, "We were in the Holy Communion service and I was exhorting my people and all of a sudden, we heard a loud noise that shattered all our windows and doors".

December 25, 2012, saw a repeat of the last few Christmases: in two separate attacks, Islamic gunmen shot and killed 12 Christian worshippers who had gathered for Christmas Eve Church services, including one church pastor.

Yet, some Muslims want us to believe it is Christians that are causing the problem - they don't want to admit the violent nature in Islam that is existent today - they will tell you, these people are not practicing Islam - NONSENSE!

A PARADIGMATIC EXAMPLE:THE COPTIC CHURCH OF EGYPT - PART2

After describing other forms of persecution against Christians during Hakim's reign, Maqrizi makes and interesting observation "Under these circumstances a great many Christians became Muslims". Maqrizi, a pious Muslim, had no great love for Egypt's Christians, and often made disparaging observations about them in his volumes. His account of their persecution is this all the more trustworthy.

Because Hakim's persecution was so terrible and far-reaching, most modern Western historians are forces to acknowledge it. But all too often they portray it as an aberration, the action of a madman, implying that Christians suffered primarily only under his rule. Yet there is no dearth of Muslim leaders throughout the whole Islamic history that have persecuted Christians and their churches. If Hakim is remembered as an insane tyrant, consider Caliph Harun al-Rashid, who is known in the West as a colourful, fun-loving prankster fro the Arabian Knights. Though renowned for decidedly secular pursuits - riotous living, strong drink, and harem of concubines (to the point that a modern day Kuwaiti women's right activist has referred to him as a model of justifying the institution of sex slavery) - Harun al-Rashid was still pious enough "to force Christians to distinguish themselves by dress, to expel them from their positions, and to destroy their churches through the use of fatwas by the imams."

Indeed, in 1354, well after the "mad caliph" Hakim was gone, churches were still under attack -- and not just by rules, but by average Muslims, who, according to Maqrizi, "demolished a church anent[next to] the Bridge of Lions, and a church in the street el-Asra in Misr, and the Church of Fahhadin within the precints of Cairo; also the Convent of Nehya in Djizah, and a church in the neighborhood of Bataq al-Tokruni; they plundered the wealth of the churches they demolished, which was great; and carried away even the woodwork and slabs of alabaster. They rushed upon the churches of Misr and Cairo ...

Such was the state of affairs for Christian churches under the rule of many caliphs. Thus over the course of nearly 14 centuries, former centers of Christianity such as Egypt became Muslim countries with only Christian enclaves, a few dilapidated outposts of Christianity in a sea of Muslim hostility.

And today, as Muslims reclaim their Islamic identity and heritage, to Western approval and praise, such is the state of affairs for Christians churches thought much of the Muslim world at this very moment.

OJODEL10: DO U MEAN OTHER HADITH ARE NOT AUTHENTIC? THESE MUSLIMS SELF . SINCE U FOLKS KNOW THEY AREN'T AUTHENTIC Y DO U LEAVE THEM IT CIRCULATION EN? LIAR

They are confused. Whenever you present the truth - they tell you it's not authentic. They say the Bible is corrupt, yet they don't have a copy of the uncorrupt one. It's a direct tactic of lying and playing stu.pi.d.

khattab02: Impressive.. I have said am not surprised by the virulent propaganda against Islam. Non muslims claiming to know the qur'an better than the muslims and that the muslims need them for clarification of their own scripture,hmmm, interesting. Yet the Christians will never agree that anybody knows the bible morethan them. When posed about fabbles and contracdictions in the Bible by Ray Mcblue and his crew many were dodging and saying things otherwise instead of refuting the points raised. Anyway..one again Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam does not his own word only a revelation give to him 53:3-4. Claims that shaitan also inspired the verses of the Qur'an, he can never be , Allah says '' so when you recite the Qur'an , seek refuge with Allah from shaitan the outcast. Verily he has no power over those who believe and put their trust only in their Lord'' 16:98-99. If Allah says we should seek refuge in him before reciting, how can shaitan inspire anything? Also.....

The Quran is a book for everyone; you don't have to be a Muslim to read and understand it. Notwithstanding, I used to be a Muslim so you have no point. As always, you have side step the question, we have on one hand:

1. Mohammad endorsing polytheism by ordering the worship of Allah & hist daughters.
2. He claimed satan deceived him - So, if he believed in Allah earlier, how would satan deceive him?

For you to tell us why your prophet would be deceived by satan and why he allowed worship of 3 goddesses than Allah; you are here saying .......................................... NOTHING

Yet you are the same person that want to debate. Someone that can't intelligently refute a statement

NL member: I didn't see alexis post before I posted my reply if not I wouldn't have bothered. Nothing spoil sha, khattab can learn from both posts.

No big deal mate. I appreciate all you are doing

khattab02: give me the verse. I always see so many claims attributed to Islam. Everyday You see different things all by the media. There is virulent propagander of Islam by the media just like the claims above.

I find it surprising that a Muslim needs clarification on his Quran from "infidels"

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22

Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division.

أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى
وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى
تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏

When Muhammad and his community came under severe persecution, eighty-three of his followers who had no protection emigrated from Mecca to Ethiopia, taking refuge in the ancient Christian country, Abyssinia.1 Under increasing boycotts and pressure, Muhammad went through a time of weakness and compromised with the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of three pagan goddesses alongside Allah: Lat, Uzza, and Manat.2 The Arabian goddesses are mentioned in Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22.

The statement that Allah was involved with female goddesses while Muhammad and his people were left with men, was cynically discussed by author Salman Rushdie.3 He made the impure account even more obscene. His book was regarded as utterly blasphemous by all Muslims.

When the inhabitants of Mecca heard Muhammad's confess the importance of the ancient goddesses inside the Ka'aba, they immediately revoked their ban on him. Those who had immigrated to Abyssinia (Ethiopia) started to return home after hearing Muhammad's confession and his acceptance in Mecca. But when they arrived, they were shocked to hear that Muhammad had retracted his confession and admitted that he had fallen prey to the whispering of Satan. Thus, today Islam considers Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22 are related to the time when Muhammad spoke the the Satanic Verses. Salman Rushdie did not invent the Satanic verses.4

In Sura Hajj (Pilgrimage) 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses. According to Islam, Allah permits such demonic inspiration to test weak believers and to cut off those with hardened hearts.

Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth): Hajj (Pilgrimage) 22:52-53. Yusuf 'Ali's translation

The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.

The Qur'an clearly states that Muhammad spoke in the name of God and that he said things that God had not commanded him! Next, he charges that all the prophets of God voiced Satanic statements! According to the holy law of God, Muhammad ought to have been put to death as a false prophet! According to the Holy Scriptures, if a prophet spoke anything in the name of LORD that was not from Him, the prophet must be put to death! Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah and then admitted that he had really spoken the words of Satan.

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. Deuteronomy 18:20 (NIV)

So, as a Muslim - haven't you seen these verses before?

NL member: So you don't even know about the satanic verses?

No wonder many of you are still Muslims, you know nothing about Islam.

Please read about your religion.

Most Muslims don't read their Quran, they recite it. They get indoctrinated from birth to believe that Mohammad is the best and last of prophets without studying his life or character? Ask them about the Satanic Verses in the Quran where Mohammad claimed Satan lied to him and deceived him into telling Muslims to worship Allah and His daughters - they tell you that it has been abrogated

Yet they claim that Islam is the one and true Monotheistic religion and Christianity is polytheistic. You tell them the truth, they call you a Bigot and ban you from the Islam section - as if that will stop you from posting. You speak publicly about it; they try to silence you.

mahdino

Here are some of the Muslim victims of genocide throughout history

And why are you waiting until now to speak up? Again, this thread is to bring light to the persecution Christians are FACING TO THIS VERY DAY in Islamic and predominately Islamic societies.

Let me ask you some question:

1. Are Christians the ones burning their churches in Egypt? Are they the ones killing themselves and blaming it on the Muslim Brotherhood?
2. Is Boko Haram a Christian organization - Don't try to tell me Boko Haram are not muslims; they are!
3. Syrians killing themselves - Shia vs Sunni, are those Christians that are persecuting muslims?

Symphony007: Guns in nigeria is a capital NO! If the poster loves guns so much, move to the u.s southern or mid western states were an individual can even own a bazooka, talk less of AR-15 and AK-47. In iowa blind people can now own guns....but also be ready to die, incase you find yourself in a movie theatre,park,office,etc,,were a mass shooting takes place.

Bros, cool down. It is legal to own a gun in Nigeria - [url]http://www.nigeria-law.org/Firearms%20Act.htm[/url]

Egypt: Islamic supremacist group threatens to target Christians in revenge for arrests of members who attacked police and local churches

Islamic supremacists in Egypt continue their relentless scapegoating and victimization of the nation's Christians, while the world wrings its hands over "Islamophobia."

After security forces stormed the village of Delga a couple days ago, and arrested a number of extremists wanted for assaulting the police department and local churches, Gamaat Islamiya threatened to target Copts in retaliation.

Source - http://www.mcndirect.com/showsubject.aspx?id=49377&utm_medium=twitter#.UjrzL7yAGkg

Jakumo

Hello Alexis, you are correct that a bolt-action rifle of any caliber is perfectly legal for civilian ownership in Nigeria, and thus easily lisenced. You can bring in your own telescopic sight from the West, but you will then need to find a remote rural area in which to do the shooting that will be required to properly zero in a new scope/rifle combination. I have never heard of the existence a civilian rifle range in Nigeria, though there may be a few, ahem, "unofficial" gun ranges out there in the sticks.

Yeah, I wonder why there are no ranges in Nigeria even if they used blank bullets for target practice

Regarded as an "old school" weapon by most Nigerians, a legally-owned bolt-action rifle can be transported EMPTY, in the trunk of your car, and raise no eyebrows when police see it there during your travels. A well-zeroed bolt-action rifle and telescope combination could pick off banditos manning a roadblock along a desolate stretch of highway with great precision, long before they can get close enough to do any damage with their spray-and-pray AK shooting style. Seeking a good rifle in Nigeria, you could put word out among the expattriate community there, because every once in in a while someone departs Nigeria for good, and prefers to sell off their 'scoped big game hunting rifle, rather than go through the hassle of transporting it back to the West.

You are so right mate

For your home defence needs, your choice of settling on a tactical pump-action shotgun is a wise and pragmatic one. Twelve-guage ammo is readily available all over Nigeria, and you can have any load you want, as long as it is buckshot ha ha.

Again, you have provided excellent advice and I thank you very very very much

collynzo2: As insecure as Nigeria is, at least I can still walk on the streets without fear of a frustrated someone opening fire on me.

You should go to Borno state and take a stroll there at night

collynzo2: Americans are looking for a way to repeal their right to own guns because of its abuse and someone here is suggesting we start owning guns in Nigeria? A country where even trained policemen and military men have not been able to handle their guns responsibly.

Please do more research before you post. Americans are not repealing their right to own guns . The debate is on assault rifle and if it should be sold to civilians or not. The 2nd amendment in the US is not going away. My question again is simple - does a Nigerian have the right to own a gun legally?

I believe I found the answer - YES

[url]http://www.nigeria-law.org/Firearms%20Act.htm[/url]

The technicality is another issue

Symphony007: yes, owning a gun is illegal in nigeria. There was a time permits were given but it discontinued along the line. Nigeria is a gravely instable country, guns will just worsen the whole thing.

Where is your source of information?