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saintiyke:
The fundamenatal in medical pratice is to save lifes not to waste it. Our doctors should consider our 'dyin and soon wil be forgotten
YARA DYE' and forget about union. But if one of these doctors have his son as a patient in that hospital, WILL HE TREAT HIM ?



Saint iyke

Thank you my brother, at best/worst, the management could have at least transfer them to a nearby public hospital, or perhaps make some arrangements with a private practice, eg. Ayinke Hospital and save those precious lives.

Let's look on the bright side, Nigeria can now start preparing for Brazil 2014 and hopefully, we can sack Amodu and employ him again by 2012/2013, at least he'll still be under-60 then.

Ajike:
fine, thats how it should be but what in a situation where you're sack because of this singular act, what will you do?

I've said it, as a medical doctor, the well-being of my patient comes first, if I get sacked, I move on and look elsewhere for an opportunity. A medical doctor can never find himself idle, even if he has to do it voluntary. Having said that, there are those who come into this profession because of the hype and money, there are those who do it simply because of the value they place on saving lives.

The management is clearly at fault, and the State Government shouldn't take this case lightly, if it were in my practise, even the press alone is enough to make people resign from their positions.

For me, as a medical doctor, the well-being of my patient comes first! Every other follows.

Even sometimes, the patient don't know what is best for them from medical perspective, but it's my duty to bring things to their awareness and management should never have jeopardised the health of any patient, even if they have to be treated in bathrooms and toilets!

Oluschenco:
I dont blame him because professionals are not appointed to posts, but everything in Nigeria is now Political, even to have a good GF, you must sabi person.

lol

abegi O, I need a good GF, if you know one, please get in touch. Adequate remuneration for all successful referrals. Many Thanks

YES O! Nigerian Police is my Friend!
I can't believe I'm the only one who have said this ,

rubi:
Marriage is not meant for boys and girls

I concur, I see it as a game of luck (or if you're religious, a game of blessing); whichever way, no one can really predict the outcome of it. It's definately not meant for boys and girls, it's a game for men and women.

However, the more time spent together (under the same roof) during courtship, will teach how to understand and bear with love with the other half. The only thing is that, in our culture, people aren't "normally suppose" to live together for long before marriage/engagement. But in most part of the west, it's an intricate aspect of life where a boy and girl move in together and then spend quality years to understand each other before taking it to another level of committment - marriage. Once done, there is no looking back. Moreover, the only way out is divorce, and funny enough, that's very rampant in the west than south.

well, personally, I think Naija will still qualify. All we need to do now is beat Tunisia at home(in Nigeria), this is not far fetched, this is all we need now to top the table and proceed to SA in 2010. God bless Naija!

Ellyptical:
Chelsea has done more harm than good to Mikel. The pre-Chelsea Mikel who held four argentine defenders and ,essed them up with skills is no longer the new Mikel that always passes the ball to the defence because of lack of ideas.
The guy has been stripped of hiss dribbling, ball juggling skills. Kai!
Chelsea fans please keep your fanship to yourself for now. I am talking nigerian soccer.
We do not need that guy in the team for now. Kanu can wear jersey number 10 and play it well enough.

Oga Ellyptical, thanks for your comment, it's all evident to see, except by Chelski fans ofcourse that Mikel is now a worse player than pre-Chelski. Imagine, this is a player who was second best to Messi at that World Youth Competition. Now, he's way far off Messi and whether Chelski fans like it or not, I believe he could have been much better at Old Trafford. Well, shit happens, life goes on! I now don't honestly know how better he is to Olofinjana in the midfield.

Who knows, Adeboye might one day fancy becoming the president of the federal republic of Nigeria. At least he's that popular init?

BTW, Vang should have taken demographics of those who voted in the poll, my best guess is that a handfull are Igbos, and a handfull are football fans and ofcourse a handful are RCCG members.

Who knows, Adeboye might one day fancy becoming the president of the federal republic of Nigeria. At least he's that popular init?

BTW, Vang should have taken demographics of those who voted in the poll, my best guess is that a handfull are Igbos, and a handfull are football fans and ofcourse a handful are RCCG members.

Who knows, Adeboye might one day fancy becoming the president of the federal republic of Nigeria. At least he's that popular init?

BTW, Vang should have taken demographics of those who voted in the poll, my best guess is that a handfull are Igbos, and a handfull are football fans and ofcourse a handful are RCCG members.

Very typical of women. No one is contending the most post on Nairaland with you, it's like one moment, you show a green side of you, another moment, you show a red side. That shows and tell a lot about you.

I have other important "matters" to attend to now, Miss/Mrs 6600 post-on-Nairaland, so I'll call it a day. I suggest you go out now and win some souls for Christ before the end of day today. YES, YOU CAN!

Peace out! and Thanks for answering most of my questions.
Allta

I know people who talk the way you do - all mouth and nothing to show for it. That is why you have time to complain against others. It's not hard to tell, because with service comes maturity - and maturity is demonstrated in what you tend to be polarised towards. If one spends too much time complaining against others, it's a sure sign he's busy at nothing.

I have not complain about anyone or attacked anyone, you started this whole business of firing darts. I've only been asking questions and submitting my opinions on matters as concerning the issue of Tithing. If by replying to posts on Nairaland shows that I have nothing to do, and nothing to show for the works of my hands, don't you think you're a front-runner in what you're saying I am - I've got posts on Nairaland under 100(Since 2005), you have over 6600 posts(Since 2007). Who is lazy and who is occupied here? Take my advice, spend more of those nairaland times evangelizing and winning more souls for Christ. At least, a soul a day for 100 posts on nairaland will deprive hell of some desperate souls, don't you think?

I'm not complaining, only asking questions; and if you're so immature to answer, keep quiet and let those who are answer. And if you are tired of replying to posts on this thread, then keep quiet and find something busy to do and let those who have the time reply. You don't have to keep saying I'm not informed and all that. It's a free world, It's your choice, it's your call!

Peace Out!
Allta!

That's more like a Christlike attitude. Please be prepared to repeat yourself as much as necessary, I've got a learned spirit and I'm ready to learn and listen. I just have questions that needs to be answered that's all, you can't blame me for that, can you? There are so many figurative expressions in the Bible, the "ox" passage Paul quote is simply that.

I find it extremely difficult to understand that these 6 points are figurative expressions Deut 14
1. Tithe every year -v22
2. Eat your tithe at a place where God will choose -v23
3. Exchange you tithe for money(silver) if the place is far from you that you can't take your tithe there. -v24,25
4. Use the money(silver) to buy anything you want -v26
6. Every 3 years, bring tithe and store them in your towns for the needy.-v29

If it is, then this means that every of the Mosaic law could be seen figuratively. Even tithing itself could be figurative?

But as I can see and understand:
1. Tithing is Objective, or not balanced on compulsory grounds. Whoever pays it, let them, and whoever doesn't, let them.
2. Eating Tithe is Objective, or not balanced as stated in Deut. Whoever is eating it, let them, and whoever isn't, let them.

A question you failed to touch on: Why didn't Christ or early Christians in NT pay tithe?

Peace out!
Allta

Thanks for giving lengthy examples, I'm impressed I must confess. But you've answered 50% of my question. Moreover, don't you think using Mal 3:10 and not Mal 3:9 in same Chapter is a bit bizzare? BTW I stated that Mal 3:9 is one of the most quoted verses in churches today, I didn't say it's the most quoted verse in churches today. You see yourself!? Even some unbelievers know John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the bible.

There are plenty of people in the New testament who quoted the old testament, even Christ himself did. Don't mix or mock up points here, my point is not that Pastor shouldn't quote Mal 3 when they teach about tithe, my point is to cover all grounds. And I sincerely believe if people must pay tithe, they should do it as commanded from the same old testament they are preaching from! What's so difficult in that? What's so difficult in eating ones' tithe?

I've agreed that tithing should be done willingly, but why can't people who pay tithe pay it as commanded in the Bible? At least you can't deny that Bible said to eat ones tithe with the needy, can you? To say that will be shallow indeed. I think we're both God secretary or PA, don't you think. At least one common thing is we both quote from the bible!

Did Christ ever paid tithe? if you're going down the argumentative route, you better be prepared not to sleep tonight.

For your info, I don't sit here and whinge. I have been blessed by this post have since try my best to liberate others who have been in my predicament. I don't need to be blowing my trumpet as to what work I do in my church and community. I don't need to blow my trumpet on how many souls I preach, teach and evangelise to, and how many people give their life to Christ in the community where I preach. My reward is indeed in heaven, that's why I said what will it benefit me to argue with you and loose my soul.

Peace Out!
Allta

To Pilgrim.1

You still haven't answered my honest question.

You still haven't given an example of pastors who teaches pro-Tithe, but doesn't quote Mal 3:9

I don't know the answer to my honest question, still searching though. But I can give examples of Churches pro-Tithe and teaches Mal3:9 - RCCG, LightHouse, 4square, New Waters Christian Fellowship, Hopewall Envagelical Church etc. I can even give 100 if you want.

None of your complaints are addressing new issues - they've all been well-discussed, and I can bear with your being a late-comer to the scene. However, it still does not make any sense to "start from Deuteronomy 14" - that is not even the first place where tithes are taught, so why begin half-way?

I feel you're beating about the bush, ok if Deut 14 is half-way, begin from the genesis of Tithe to it's revelation. Pastors shouldn't use just Mal 3! That's my point, why do you have to mask the point by looking for holes?
Whether these points have been discussed or not, they should be taught by Pastors in Churches, that's my point! They are truths(contrary to what you will say), and should be taught.

Peace Out!
Allta

Miss/Mrs Pilgrim.1

What will it benefit me to argue with you and loose my soul?

See, before I stumbled upon this thread last year, I use to pay my tithe under fear. I even sometimes take loans just to pay of my tithes because I don't want curses on my head like my pastors always tell me.

But the day I came across this post, I withdrew into my closet, took an entire week off from work, studied Tithing diligently and prayed fervently. I listened to so many teachings from several men of God, both home and away. I sought after knowledge, I always knew there must be something behind paying my tithe in fear and I spoke to people at Church about it.

I came across so many scriptures that suggested that Tithing isn't compulsory, also that Tithing isn't being done like it should in the 21st century. But as you know, so many pastors use only Mal 3 to enhance the fear of curse for not paying tithe. And I'm determined to share what I've learnt with those who were in same shoes I found my self long time ago. Ofcourse enjoy doing it and don't do it under fear should by all means carry on, but they need to understand the truth behind it. Let us not hide truths because you don't want to upset people, the truth can go a long way to liberate so many in bondage, I certainly am a living witness.

So, in a nutshell, I want to learn as much as I can under this topic, you can start by telling me where, when and why tithing came back after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Please don't see this as arguments, see it as a genuine questions because I honest don't know the answer, and want to do by all means.

Peace Out!
Allta

This post is titled "The Truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes"; so I will keep my scope of contributions within it. It's not a post to discuss whether Christianity is a Religion or not, so I give you that.

So let me just highlight few things from your response:

Quote from: pilgrim.1

Not all tithe-preaching pastors teach that.

Can you please give me 5 tithe-preaching pastors who doesn't quote "You are under a curse because you're robbing God of tithes" Mal 3:9 , one of the most quoted verses in churches today.

Quote from: pilgrim.1

Why make a law for others - are you now the personal assistant of the Lord?

So, now that I'm quoting from the same scriptures you quoted James 1:27 from, I'm now making law from others enh? And that has made me the PA of the Lord and you're not a PA from quoting from same Bible? How do you explain that?

Quote from: pilgrim.1

Is that the only chapter on tithing you find in the Bible? If not, WHY make a rule on that one chapter?

Ofcourse not, hence why I said "start" not use only Deut 14, start from Deut 14! Go all the way through the entire bible, touch base on Mal 3 and then move to Mat23:23, Heb 7; tell people if Christ death paid only for some Mosaic laws or all! Let people get the picture of how people served God before Christ's death and ressurection, and a picture of how people did after the old law or former regulations were nullified or set aside. Teach people of God if or not there was any account that early Christians pay tithe and why was there no account. Teach people about freewill givings and why they should. There are loads of topics to get through within this subject, and those that I've listed is by no means everything.

Quote from: pilgrim.1

Half-truths is a dangerous and very religious thing - and you're doing that very same thing you are asking others not to do. Well done.

Tell me, which half truth have I said now? Is the fact that Pastors create fears in Modern Christians about tithe half truth? Is the fact that most tithe paying Christians don't do it according to how it was written in the Bible half truth? Is the fact that Pastors don't use Deut or even Heb 7 to teach people on how to pay tithe half truth?

Well, I don't see my 3 candid points as half truth, and definately the fact that Christianity transits religion as a half truth either! A way of life is definitely different from a Religion in my own sight. Ofcourse not all Christians practices Christianity(eg. 75% of people in the UK call themselves Christians, and only 10% attend churches), not all those who practices Christianity are indeed true Christians.

I've said it before, let me say it again: It's not compulsory to be a Christian, it's not compulsory to go to Church, it's not compulsory to even believe in God, it's not compulsory to tithe, it's not compulsory to even accept the fact that tithing isn't compulsory. It's not compulsory to agree with me, or me to agree with you. It's not compulsory to be born again, a man can choose to live a life on earth that goes towards heaven, or hell! That's what makes our life a lot more interesting than non-humans, we've got choices! Those who want to pay Tithe should do so, and those who aren't inclined should be left alone in peace and not in fear of courses. This is my own take on this topic all along! But that doesn't mean the truth behind Tithe shouldn't be unveiled as per the topic title! There has been so much bible-quotings, and posts within this thread, so I will not waste anyones time, again.

My prayer is that we wouldn't miss the most import thing in our Christian journey , destination:Heaven! God help us! Amen!

Peace out!
Allta!

Na wa o!
See me see trouble oO! I can only speak for myself, and I'm not saying people should stop paying tithe. All I'm saying is there is no devourer to devour your pocket if one doesn't! That's the truth, and why do you Pilgrim of all people find it difficult to accept the truth!

BTW: Wether you quote scripture or not, Christianity transits religion, James 1:27 recognises that there are religions, but there is a Pure and Undefiled Religion. How many people in the world today practices this form of Religion, there are those who lie that God will curse you if you don't pay tithe as a Christian and that he will let devourer(devil) chop your pocket.
Please don't quote scripture out of context, Christianity is more than just meeting in a building every particular days of the week, getting high and hyped and then going home to return to same building again. That's religion, Christianity is more than that.

I for call you olodo if not for the so much contributions you've made in this forum.

Did James 1:27 said Christianity is a Religion? Emphatically NO! It simply defined a Pure and Undefiled Religion as this: Visiting Fatherless and widows in their afflictions; keeping oneself unspotted from the world! Where in this passage is Christianity mentioned!? Intellectual contributions is more than just googlesearching bible for key words, it means to be logical and clear on transmitting your points home, you should try it sometimes.

These are my points:
1. Pastors should stop creating fears in modern Christians that if they don't pay tithe, they will be devoured and curses will be rained on them.
2. Whoever wants to tithe, should do so as commanded in Deut 14:22-29
3. Pastors should start teaching from Deut 14 on how to pay tithe for those who want to.

Eat your Tithe every year in God's Presence:

Deut 14:22 NIV
Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

The only exception where this passage mentioned any form of money(silver) is:

Deut 14:24-25
But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose.

Then use your money to buy whatever you like, then eat it:

Deut 14:26 NIV
Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice.

Not forgetting the needy, because they have nothing else to leave on:

Deut 14:27 NIV
And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

It's a free world and people should be allowed to express what they believe, I've expressed my own, just like you've done! For me, even the Cele and C&S perform what they call ikore/ajodun/anniversary which is an example of the atmosphere those who want to pay tithe should follow.

Whether anyone likes it on not! This is the truth Pastors don't tell people about tithes, and that's what this post is all about!

Peace Out!
Allta

How shall we escape?

I've been born again since 1994, I've experienced highs and lows in my life, just like every other person in this life, Unbelievers,Tithe-Paying Believers. Shall we then say, that those lows in our lives are as a direct result of not paying tithe?

Remember God rain down his blessings on both the justs and the justs, as I always say it, God is not a wicked God!

Christianity is a way of life after Christ, in situations like this, what will Jesus himself do? What has he done regards paying Tithe?
Even his immediate disciples and church, what did they do with regards to tithe paying?

It's so sad that the 21st Century have deviated so much from the Church principles laid down by the early Christians. Maybe we're looking for rewards from making Christianity a religion so bigger than it was then. But let's remember, Christianity ain't a Religion, it's totally different from Judaism and the likes. Christianity is living the exemplary life of Christ!

Peace Out!
Allta

BTW My girlfriend works in the finance dept of her church. She tells me freewill giving of people aren't anything compared to their tithes. That tithe is needful so the work of the ministry can move forward. Said freewill giving alone isn't sufficient for running the Church ie. Rent/Mortgage, Power/Electricity, Gas/Heating/AirConditioning, Sending Missionaries away on missions, Charity and donating to the needy and other logistics.

This was her only justification of the church accepting tithe, very similar to the reasons those Catholics gave when they re-enforced the law donkey years after the death of Christ and the birth of the Church.

She said, normally people don't give up to 10% of their income/produce freely, and in this modern day Church, it is imperative that the Church must be ran based on monetary income. The church can't be doing trade by batter to get electricity/fuel, the church can't do trade by batter to get Gas/Heating. Even if the church doesn't want to pay rent, they need to acquire their own property to worship in the first place. Maybe a member can donate a building/property?

Anyways sha, the one I'm definately not confy with is the Church recording who has paid tithe and who hasn't. The church taking note and register of people who has contributed tithe and offering. Peradventure if anyone misses his/her tithe, the "elders" will come calling , ofcourse using Malachi's teachings. They still haven't answered my questions:
1. "If Tithing was that compulsory, why wasn't there a record that Christ or any of his followers paid it?"
2. "Why wasn't there any commandment in the Bible to CHRISTIANS, on paying Tithe"
3. "Why do we CHRISTIANS, have to referred to the old mosaic law to justify tithing"
4. "Why don't those who pay Tithe, pay it as commanded in the book of Deut"?
5. "Why do some CHRISTIANS make exception for TITHING, when the Bible clearly stated that OLD LAWS are NULLIFIED with the death and resurrection of Christ"?

Then I realized, Christianity is actually not what the new testament church is, Christianity is what the "THIRD COMMANDMENT" Church want it to be. God help us, each and everyone of us will face Christ on that judgment day and not MOSES!

Omo, peeps still dey this tithing or no tithing issue. I guess this will never stop until the second coming of Christ himself , Jees man!

Ok, no be by force to do anything abi? No be by force to pay tithe, no be by force to even be a Christian in the first place. He that wants to tithe, let him tithe without the fear of curses from God. But he has to do it according to how God commanded in Deut. Men, chop up ur tithes Bro, wiv the needy, widowers, levites, orphans, foreigners, anyhow whichway. Just don't be left out in chopping your tithe with these people!

BTW: It's not even compulsory to be born again self!

@ Muza
Sorry about the long post, sometimes it's needed to drive home points for some of us who don't do their homework properly and then sort after the means of self "pinching" others.

The bottom line of my post is that, most of the successful leaders of this world were influenced by religion in one form or the other. And it's been widely accepted that these religiously grown ideologies influenced some of their acts and public speech. Even the latest Barack Obama have shown us!

Ode Remo

whatever your religion , your views/believes changes when you are in power . power is like alcohol it intoxicate more than religion which has very little to do with {kolotics}, my frd so please grow up.

I think you're the one to do a lot more growing up. In case you don't know, most of the renowed political forces of our generations infused some religious ideologies or certainly religious sense of speech into their politics.

72% of Americans say the president should have strong religious beliefs

Religion is a set of beliefs and practices that are determined by one's view of reality and the supernatural. Politics is the process by which groups make decisions. Because one's view of reality has a powerful effect on decision-making, the two realms are tightly intertwined in a number of ways.

Some of these ways include:

1. the political processes that occur within religious organizations, known as the organization's internal politics;
2. the effects of various religious beliefs and practices on civic processes, or the organization's external politics;
3. the effects of various secular political actions on religious organizations and people;
4. formal relationships between politics and religion, such as in the case of state religions or theocracies.

If Power intoxicates more than religion, my question to you my Olodo or sorry Ode , is that what about those in high authority in religious organisations? In case you don't know there is politics in Religion as well, so tell me, are those people always "powernocious"?

Thinking outside the box, consider various successful politicians of our time. Is it no surprise to see that most of their speeches and acts were motivated by their religious beliefs? Let's start with America - George Washington was baptised into the Church of England in 1765 and served on the Vestry.
", the Government of the United States , gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance. , May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy." This shows a man who is very passionate of religious tolerance and human equality of rights.

Let me save you some time and skip all the way to Abraham Lincoln - one of the greatest American presidents in case you don't know ,
"As Lincoln matured, and especially during his term as president, the idea of a divine will somehow interacting with human affairs more and more influenced his public expressions. On a personal level, the death of his son Willie in February 1862 may have caused Lincoln to look towards religion for answers and solace.[70] After Willie’s death, in the summer or early fall of 1862, Lincoln attempted to put on paper his private musings on why, from a divine standpoint, the severity of the war was necessary:

The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God cannot be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is something different from the purpose of either party—and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect his purpose. I am almost ready to say this is probably true—that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere quiet power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds.[71]
"

Not to mention of the likes of Martin Luther King, even Gandhi was influenced by his religious ideologies:

"Not having shown a particular interest in religion before, he read works of and about Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and other religions."

"Gandhi was born a Hindu and practised Hinduism all his life, deriving most of his principles from Hinduism. As a common Hindu, he believed all religions to be equal, and rejected all efforts to convert him to a different faith. He was an avid theologian and read extensively about all major religions. He had the following to say about Hinduism:

"Hinduism as I know it entirely satisfies my soul, fills my whole being, When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and when I see not one ray of light on the horizon, I turn to the Bhagavad Gita, and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. My life has been full of tragedies and if they have not left any visible and indelible effect on me, I owe it to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita."
"


My friend, the list goes on and on , even to bring this home to Naija , most of the successful politicians in Naija, please go and check their religious beliefs and ideologies, most of our top influential leaders respect religion and take it seriously, most of these stood for religious equality, that's the way forward. And or not to forget to remind you, I'm grown up already, maybe you should too!

YES, I CAN DIE FOR MY COUNTRY
& NO, I'M NOT ONE OF DEM KOLOTICIANS!!!
WHETHER NO ONE LIKES IT OR NOT, RELIGION HAS EFFECT ON KOLOTIKS

HOWEVER, NIGERIA IS NOT ONLY A MUSLIM COUNTRY, BUT ALSO A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY, AN IFA COUNTRY, AN ORISA COUNTRY, A CHRISTLAM COUNTRY, AN OGBONI COUNTRY, A FREEMANSORY COUNTRY, A GRAIL COUNTRY, AN AWO COUNTRY , just to mention a few.

Everyone in Naija has equal human right, part of which is liberty to be religious, and the liberty to choose the form of religion to practise. I hate it when we crucify people based on religion, and colour/tribe!

LET's GROW UP, THE WORLD HAS MOVED ON NOW , WE SHOULD TOO!

Apparently, Naija Embassy London still issues renewal stamps. I thought they wouldn't give beyond 2010, and did fill an extension of only 1 year on my application form. Apparently they didn't even look or maybe care, anyways sha, I got another 5years extension.

This is after I've also managed to book an interview date for the e-Passport, so now hopefully in early 2009, I will have the luxury of 2 passports, one extended till 2014 and the new e-passport.

So to answer some of the questions from like minds as me, CAPITAL YES! Naija Embassy London still issues renewal, although e-Passport is the new system in place, so no more traditional re-issues of "GREEN PALI" - Like people have said above, you have to go online, fill the form, print the form, pay online via GOogleCheckouT (THis only accepted credit card, after trying about 2 different debit cards ie.)

If you couldn't pay online, then there is 100% no show for you at the embassy. You can save yourself waste of time in one of the dirtiest embassies in Central London by just following all the requirements.

Oh! You don't need any GUARANTOR FORM for NEw e-Passport, provided you're resident in the UK. By residence, I mean "Inde" or something like "HSMP, WorkkPermit, etc." not too sure about peeps on visiting visa though. Oh! Also again, you don't need any silly Local Govt letter of Identification if you're resident in the UK as well. Just a copy of your data page, renewal page(if applicable), Visa page, your passport, online form (printed & signed), confirmation of payment notice from their website, and I advise print the google page confirmation of payment too!

With these, you should be fine to get your e-Passport from an Embassy whose staff don't even threat their fellow countrymen as human beings. Imagine, one of the staff literally threw my passport at me. Yes, In as much as I'm very careful not to sterotype Naija Embassy Staff, well my experience there today certainly is a lot worse that I did at UK Embassy in Lagos, oh! and I certainly spent much more time at Naija Embassy than I did at UK Embassy 5 years ago.

God help our fatherland! esp. when the citizens are being threated as one overseas by their fellow contry men.

Hi All,

I have a 5 year passport which was issued Jan 2004. This passport is due to expire on 6th Jan 2009 and here is me trying to figure out what next to do. I've considered the e-passport option but considering the fact that I can't get some of the requirements now , esp. the Local Govt. letter and my original birth certificate, or sworn affidavit. Although I would think that someone who has been in the UK for 5 years wouldn't need those two as I have my passport, Nigerian and uk drivers licence, national ID card etc.

So my questions are:

- Would I be able to apply for renewal of passport and if yes, would it be wise to do so before the date of expiration (Note: My passport expires in 3 weeks)
- If I wouldn't be able to do the renewal of passport (ie. the stamp which can be obtained in a day by paying £21); is it safe to go ahead with the e-passport application. If yes, wouldn't it be a problem if I get an interview beyond the date of expiration of passport?

I know there is so much question in this email, but please bear with me. It feels like I'm going through all the worries similar to procurement of visa in the first place. Na wa oO! Only God knows when all this Visa and Passport worries will end self!

Cheers and I look forward to someone's kind reply.

Hi All,

I have a 5 year passport which was issued Jan 2004. This passport is due to expire on 6th Jan 2009 and here is me trying to figure out what next to do. I've considered the e-passport option but considering the fact that I can't get some of the requirements now , esp. the Local Govt. letter and my original birth certificate, or sworn affidavit. Although I would think that someone who has been in the UK for 5 years wouldn't need those two as I have my passport, Nigerian and uk drivers licence, national ID card etc.

So my questions are:

- Would I be able to apply for renewal of passport and if yes, would it be wise to do so before the date of expiration (Note: My passport expires in 3 weeks)
- If I wouldn't be able to do the renewal of passport (ie. the stamp which can be obtained in a day by paying £21); is it safe to go ahead with the e-passport application. If yes, wouldn't it be a problem if I get an interview beyond the date of expiration of passport?

I know there is so much question in this email, but please bear with me. It feels like I'm going through all the worries similar to procurement of visa in the first place. Na wa oO! Only God knows when all this Visa and Passport worries will end self!

Cheers and I look forward to someone's kind reply.

I will comment based on the title of your post: even £1m a day is not worth working in a risk infected region. Your family based overseas is not even enough to discourage you from the £900 a day. Ok, ask yourself, why do you want it so badly that you came up to Nairaland and post such a critical information about your career. Maybe it's not really the money, maybe it's the Nigerian part of you calling for a way back home, afterall, you had a similar offer elsewhere in iRAQ etc., so, my humble advice is come home , there is no place like Naija (ie. if you're truly black as you claim, forget the accent, that will change with time) Top Life can be boring at times, but except if you're over 50, if you're younger than 50 , you should seriously consider this offer, not for the money, but the opportunity it brings , the connections, the contacts, the exposure, etc. What about the Militants, you may ask , well, exactly , WHAT ABOUT THEM?

I'm yet to ask anywhere when militants killed a foreign citizen, abduction is bad and it doesn't happen to every white here in NigerDelta. if you earn N200,000 pday, then save some N50m in the bank just in case for yourself. Take the risk, life is full of risks , what's the chances that you'll still be alive tomorrow? Omo man, enjoy your today! Let tomorrow sort itself out

VOLTRON!

@anonimi

How I wish I could respond yes, unfortunately I cannot as most of us are too lazy and/or hypnotised by our pastors to do our own study of God's word.

I believe that is a good thing, studying to really understand, correct, reject or approve of what people tell us about Christianity. After Reading KunleOsho's post on Tithing, I had to take 2 days off work dedicated to reading every chapter of the Bible that has got Tithe/Tenth in it. Right from Genesis all the way to the Popular Malachi 3; Matt 23 all the way to Heb 7. I even had to send Kunle some offlines to engage him in some discussions. After these, I was so tired in my flesh , as in weak, because I couldn't eat, I was so thirsty to understand the mystery behind how TITHE crept into the Church hundreds of years after the Death of Christ. I was so thirsty to understand why Christ never paid tithe, why the early Christians never paid tithe, I couldn't eat or sleep as usual for these 2 days, I stayed glued to all the Bible teachings I can lay my hands on concerning this topic. I engaged quite a few Bible Translations in Greek and Hebrew, Commentries, and Topical Indices on this subject. But now, I'm happy because all those work paid off.

In the end, I got what I wanted, and in my opinion, if TITHE was so compulsory for CHRISTIANS (and not the JEWS), then Bible would have recorded it. But hey, everyone with their own conviction, one thing I know that each one of us will answer to all these things in that very day when we shall face Christ. Are you happy with accepting Man-made-Gospel or God-made-Gospel, If Christ isn't cursed for not paying Tithe, if Paul, Peter, James, John, Timothy and other early apostles, those whom Christ committed the laying of the Foundation, a foundation which we enjoyed till date; if these people never expressly taught about tithe, rather they spoke a lot about free-will giving and offerings; if the Bible which was giving as an Architect of our Christian Living, inspired by the Spirit of God, never bother to include these facts, then I choose this very day, to abolish all the fundamental man-made religious beliefs and ideaologies I've been brought up with. I suggest every other JEWISH practising so called Christians do the same.

Like I said earlier, this is not the post for discussing whether TITHE is commendable as part of the Law to the JEWS before the death of Christ, OR Compulsory for Christians to which the old law was fulfilled in Christ's Death and Resurrection.

I'm not saying these to acrue any sort of commendations to myself, but my own is , search the scriptures, and old one to that which is good! Not Man-Made Doctrines, not Man-made-Gospel.

Whether we like it or not, The God-Given Gospel will be preached and some will still reject him, The Truth around the COMPULSION of Tithe will be told, and some will still reject it.

Cheers!

@PurestBoy

I can see that what the poster wants is argument because I can't see anything reasonable in this post. Why must it be the 10% required of God will be needed to save a relatives' life? What about the remaining 90% of the gross pay? Can't some fraction of that be used to save a relative's life?

The moderators should please remove this thread because some people are antichrist by trying to disregard what is written in the Scripture.

Why should the moderators remove the thread because someone who don't know the definition of AntiChrist has asked to? Can you name a single person who's responded saying they never believed Jesus Christ came in flesh to die for the sins of all men, and then rose on the third day? According to the same bible, this is how an AntiChrist is defined: 1 John 4:2-3

The bottom line, is that some of this questions seem to threaten our fundamental religious beliefs, and some of us feels obviously offended rather than go back and study God's word.

If you go back and you study, you'll understand clearly that there is a reason why God loves Isreal above every other nation, you'll see that there is a reason why Christ came, and you'll see there is a reason why he died and rose again, you'll also see there is a reason why the Holy spirit came. You'll understand that there is a reason why the old law was done away with, the old law was set aside, fulfilled and nullified once and for all. You'll see why we belong to entirely new priesthood of Christ and not levitical priesthood , all these are in the Bible , I'll give you a hint , Heb 7

My advise for you , let God use you to save a life, God wouldn't eat your money, he asked you to give generally so that the poor in spirit can have abundance to live on , widows, orphans, foreigners, pastors (who don't drive hummers when there are people in need of help in the church); so it's your social responsibility to help people, and this includes the dying ones too! Let God use you to save a life, God wouldn't ask you to allow your Relative who is in need, die.

SAVE A LIFE!