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Politics › Re: Rivers Allocation Judgement: The Difference Between Lagos And Rivers Situation. by ALTERNATEID(op): 6:56pm On Oct 31, 2024
mrvitalis:
Oga I said would be granted

You are not the supreme Court or appeal court.. Allow the court to rule on the matter

We don't even have copy of the judgement
Did you allow the court to rule before declaring emphatically that the stay of execution would be granted? Are you the court as well? Maybe you need to start by taking your own advice as well.
Politics › Re: Rivers Allocation Judgement: The Difference Between Lagos And Rivers Situation. by ALTERNATEID(op): 6:53pm On Oct 31, 2024
Cajal:
And CBN represents federal government
Yes. FG through CBN aligned with the argument of Rivers state that the order should not be granted but the court ruled otherwise. So, why blame Tinubu for this?
Politics › Re: Rivers Allocation Judgement: The Difference Between Lagos And Rivers Situation. by ALTERNATEID(op): 6:14pm On Oct 31, 2024
ceevictor:
Funny part of it is that a notice of appeal was already on at the appeal court and evidence presented to the madam high court judge, she struck it down and went ahead to give the ruling
How can you appeal against a judgement that has not been given?
Politics › Re: Rivers Allocation Judgement: The Difference Between Lagos And Rivers Situation. by ALTERNATEID(op): 5:47pm On Oct 31, 2024
mrvitalis:
The case has been appealed ans stay of Exercusion would be granted... After that supreme Court.. Who knows maybe by 2045

This has no bearing even if I feel the case is baseless
A stay of execution has not been granted so the judgement remains valid and enforceable.

Btw, my intervention has nothing to do with the appeal of the judgement. This is just to clarify the misinformation and misunderstanding that politically biased commentators like Chidi Odinkaku and others are trying to pass that President Tinubu is the one behind the order despite what happened in Lagos in 2004.

This current order was not issued by the president but by a court of competent jurisdiction.
Politics › Rivers Allocation Judgement: The Difference Between Lagos And Rivers Situation. by ALTERNATEID(op): 5:31pm On Oct 31, 2024
To start with, the Supreme Court rightly ruled in 2004 that Mr. President has no power under the Constitution to unilaterally withhold the allocation of a state.

So what happened in 2004? Governor Bola Tinubu of Lagos State created additional 37 Lgas to increase Local Governments in Lagos State to 57 from 20. Obasanjo disagreed and ordered him to revert back to 20 since the additional 37 were not listed in the constitution. Tinubu disagreed but changed the name to LCDAs. Obasanjo then ordered the Minister of Finance and CBN governor not to release the Local Government allocation of Lagos state until the new LGA/LCDAS are scrapped.

Tinubu went to court and the then CJN, Hon Justice Uwais ruled that Mr. President does not have the power under the law to unilaterally stop the allocation of any state without a court order. Justice Uwais said “ next is the question whether the President of FRN was right to direct the Minister of Finance not to release statutory allocations from the Federation account to the states which created new LGAs. The CJN then said, the President has no such power. COURT is the only authority that can ORDER A STOPPAGE OF FUNDS TO ANY AGENCY”.


In the case of Rivers State, Mr. President did not give anybody any order to withhold or stop the allocation of the state. Elected lawmakers from Rivers state approached the Federal High court to determine the legality of the state’s 2024 budget passed by 5 members out of 32. The Federal High Court ruled that the budget was not legally passed and should be represented to the full house for passage as required by the constitution. The judgement was also reaffirmed by the Appeal Court. Instead of the governor to obey the court judgement, he opted to disregard the judgement and continue with the implementation of an illegal budget.

Following the governor’s disregard of a valid court judgement, the lawmakers again approached a federal high court to get an order to stop the CBN and Minister of Finance from further releasing Rivers state funds to the governor since the state budget he is implementing has been invalidated by a court of competent jurisdiction. The Court agreed with the lawmakers opinion that releasing further allocation to the governor would amount to encouraging unconstitutionality and disregard for rule of law. The court then gave an order stoping the Minister of Finance, Accountant General of the Federation and the CBN governor from further releasing allocation to Rivers state till a proper budget is passed into law.


Again, let me also state that CBN was a party to the case and they objected to the relief sought by the plaintiffs. That is, they supported Rivers state government’s position that the court should not grant the order to withhold or stop the allocation. The court in its wisdom overruled the objection of CBN.

So, it’s very clear that there is a huge difference between what happened in 2004 and the recent court judgement in respect of Rivers state allocation. President Tinubu did not issue any order to stop the release of funds to Rivers state because he has no such powers. In fact, he objected to the order through CBN but was overruled. The order was issued by a court of competent jurisdiction and until it is set aside by a superior court, it remains valid and enforceable. Instead of trying to blackmail Mr. President with a decision he’s not even a party to, we should all encourage the governor to do the right thing by obeying the judgement of the appeal court.

Politics › Re: 20 Years Ago, While Tinubu Was Governor Of Lagos State, Supreme Court Declined by ALTERNATEID: 5:16pm On Oct 31, 2024
Kobojunkie:
Your position on this makes no sense at all. If the State has no budget(or the State has a budget), what has that to do with LG and LG allocations? undecided

2. According to the Supreme Law of the Land, Tinubu has no right to stop State or LG allocations. All that is happening here are politicians and judges basically taking a piss at the Constitution and Nigerians backing the foolishness. undecided
To start with, the Supreme Court rightly ruled in 2004 that Mr. President has no power under the Constitution to unilaterally withhold the allocation of a state.

So what happened in 2004? Governor Bola Tinubu of Lagos State created additional 37 Lgas to increase Local Governments in Lagos State to 57 from 20. Obasanjo disagreed and ordered him to revert back to 20 since the additional 37 were not listed in the constitution. Tinubu disagreed but changed the name to LCDAs. Obasanjo then ordered the Minister of Finance and CBN governor not to release the Local Government allocation of Lagos state until the new LGA/LCDAS are scrapped.

Tinubu went to court and the then CJN, Hon Justice Uwais ruled that Mr. President does not have the power under the law to unilaterally withhold the allocation of any state without a court order.


In the case of Rivers State, Mr. President did not give anybody any order to withhold the allocation of the state. Elected lawmakers from Rivers state approached the Federal High court to determine the legality of the state’s 2024 budget passed by 5 members out of 32. The Federal High Court ruled that the budget was not legally passed and should be represented to the full house for passage. The judgement was also reaffirmed by the Appeal Court. Instead of the governor to obey the court judgement, he opted to disregard the judgement and continue with the implementation of an illegal budget.

Following the governor’s disregard of a valid court judgement, the lawmakers again approached a federal high court to get an order to stop the CBN and Minister of Finance from further releasing Rivers state funds to the governor since the state budget he is implementing has been invalidated by a court of competent jurisdiction. The Court agreed with the lawmakers opinion that releasing further allocation to the governor would amount to encouraging unconstitutionality and disregard to rule of law. The court then gave an order stoping the Minister of Finance, Accountant General of the Federation and the CBN governor from further releasing allocation to Rivers state till a proper budget is passed into law.


Again, let me also state that CBN was a party to the case and they objected to the relief sought by the plaintiffs. That is, they supported Rivers state government’s position that the court should not grant the order to withhold the allocation. The court in its wisdom overruled the objection of CBN.

So, it’s very clear that there is a huge difference between what happened in 2004 and resent court judgement in respect of Rivers state allocation. President Tinubu did not issue any order to stop the release of funds to Rivers state because he has no such powers. In fact, he objected to the order through CBN but was overruled. The order was issued by a court of competent jurisdiction and until it is set aside by a superior court, it remains valid and enforceable. Instead of trying to blackmail Mr. President with a decision he’s not even a party to, we should all encourage the governor to do the right thing by obeying the judgement of the appeal court.
Investment › Re: Crypto Currency Investors Thread by ALTERNATEID: 3:05pm On Oct 31, 2024
Why is BTC crashing so fast? What’s the bad news?
Politics › Re: Rivers Crisis: I Was Ambushed With Peace Agreement – Fubara by ALTERNATEID: 1:28pm On Oct 31, 2024
gare:
The Nigerian Constitution's provisions regarding the defection (decamping) of lawmakers are self-executing. This means that rules and consequences outlined in Sections 68 and 109 regarding the vacation of seats for National Assembly and State House of Assembly members are automatically enforceable without the need for additional laws or actions to be taken by other bodies.

you guys should read and learn, you dont need a court or judge it is just that our system is weak, the governor can decide to which he has done
Ehn ehn 🤣🤣🤣. Which section of the constitution did you get this nonsense from?
Politics › Re: Rivers Crisis: I Was Ambushed With Peace Agreement – Fubara by ALTERNATEID: 11:19am On Oct 31, 2024
gare:
is this your process mention in the constitution stated below?

Section 109 (State House of Assembly Members):
Vacation of Seat:
According to Section 109(1)(g), a member of a State House of Assembly shall vacate their seat if they become a member of another political party before the expiration of the period for which they were elected.
Exceptions:
Similar to the National Assembly, a member will not vacate their seat if:
Their membership of the political party has been divided. Membership was not divided as at the time they decamped.
There is a merger of two or more political parties or factions by one of which they were previously sponsored. there was no merger
Their political party has been substituted by another party due to the merger.
this never happened
A lawmaker can defect and cite division of his party as reason. When that happens, it is not you or the governor that can decide whether there is a division truly in the party or not.

If the lawmaker says there is a division in is party, you either believe him or go to court to disprove his claim. It is only the court that can order him to vacate the seat and not any governor or nairalander.

If the court of Appeal has already ruled that the 5-member loyal to Fubara are not properly constituted, the implication is that the remaining members are still valid lawmakers until a superior court rules otherwise. Since no court has ruled otherwise, the governor must respect the law and stop resulting to self help. Take the budget and other matters that requires legislative approval before them until the court rules that they are no longer members of the assembly.
Politics › Re: Drama As Akpabio Cautions Senator Praising Bianca’s Beauty During Screening by ALTERNATEID: 8:34am On Oct 31, 2024
FFK’s leftover. Tinubu self go chop clean mouth grin grin grin
Politics › Re: Rivers Crisis: I Was Ambushed With Peace Agreement – Fubara by ALTERNATEID: 8:31am On Oct 31, 2024
gare:
Which full house? at the point of decamping, you de sleep, or you dont know what the law says about decamping or you dont want talk about that fubara never pushed them out of PDP they foolishly left on their own, there is nothing like full house, ask INEC to fill up the vacant seats, thats not fubara's issues but on INEC
Their are process to be followed in leaving a party. For the princess to be completed, they must write to their ward chairmen notifying them of their withdrawal from the party. They will the go to join APC at the ward level and write to the Speaker of the house notifying him of their switch of party.

In this case, nothing of the above happened. They never withdrew their PDP membership at the ward level and never joined APC at the ward level. In fact, they never notified the speaker of the house of assembly of their defection. And even the PDP national leadership already told the court that the 27 lawmakers are still PDP members since there is no record of them informing the party of their defection.

So, they remain valid members of the Rivers State house of Assembly from the point of law.
Politics › Re: Fubara Appeals As Court Stops Rivers Allocations by ALTERNATEID: 8:23am On Oct 31, 2024
Segxydube:
What made the budget illegal? Are the members of d house who joined apc legal?
They did not join APC. They never wrote to anyone that they are no longer in PDP. PDP national leadership made it very clear in court that they are their party members. No court has declared their seats vacant. They remain valid members of Rivers State house of Assembly and several courts have made same pronouncement. Most importantly, the Appeal court has declared the budget illegal and until a superior court rules otherwise, the budget remains illegal.
Politics › Re: Fubara Appeals As Court Stops Rivers Allocations by ALTERNATEID: 6:50am On Oct 31, 2024
Macphenson:
The suit challenging the validity of House of Assembly members is still in Appeal court, Until the court confirms them members, Fubara is representing the budget. Infact 2024 budget will soon be presented to the house members.
Judgement has already been delivered by the Appeal Court on the illegality of the 2024 budget. Except the Supreme Court rules otherwise, nothing is going to change that judgement. He either represents it or he will be impeached once the case is finalized at the Supreme Court. He still has the time to do the right thing before it is too late.
Politics › Re: Rivers Crisis: I Was Ambushed With Peace Agreement – Fubara by ALTERNATEID: 6:42am On Oct 31, 2024
Fubara should stop acting like a saint because he’s not one. One of the major point of the agreement was that the 2024 budget should be represented to the full Rivers State House of Assembly. The governor defiantly refused to do this and he’s now saying he was ambushed.

He wanted to ambush the other side by tricking them into withdrawing all their court cases and then refusing to implement the other parts of the agreement but they outwit him. He should go back and do the right thing before it is too late.
Politics › Re: Canaanland Risks Losing Airstrip As Reps Seek Revocation Of Private Licenses by ALTERNATEID: 6:40am On Oct 31, 2024
The reason adduced by the house of reps is watery.
Politics › Re: Fubara Appeals As Court Stops Rivers Allocations by ALTERNATEID: 6:30am On Oct 31, 2024
Macphenson:
Yyba come and see the appeal. In the previous thread I said the judgement will be appealed with a stay of execution, here it is right now. After appeal court, it will head to supreme court. By then, the year is over.
I told you that you are a kid.
You’re very naive. Appealing a judgement doesn’t automatically amounts to a stay of execution. He will have to apply and the judge will have to grant it. As at this morning, no stay of execution order has been granted.

Even if the case gets to the Supreme Court next year, he will still lose because the budget he’s implementing was never passed into law by the Rivers State house of Assembly. And guess what, that would be the end of Cubara. Implementing an illegal budget is a serious violation of the constitution and a very good ground for impeachment. The Supreme Court will never validate the affront on the Constitution so he’s going to enter into more troubles once the case is decided at the apex court.

At this point, you all should be telling him to retrace his steps and do the right thing. It is not too late to represent the budget to the Rivers State House of Assembly. No one should be allowed to violate the constitution because of political differences.
Politics › Re: Fubara Appeals As Court Stops Rivers Allocations by ALTERNATEID:
Fubara should do the right thing by representing the budget to the proper Rivers State house of assembly. You can’t be implementing an illegal budget and be crying for help from the judiciary. The court will not authenticate that illegality.

The court of appeal judgement on the matter is as clear as daylight. 5 members cannot sit and pass the state’s budget in a 32- member house of Assembly. Allowing Fubara to get away with such illegality would amount to serious slap on the rule of law and our sacred constitution. Retrace yourself and stop committing impeachable offenses.
Politics › Re: Statisense: Governor’s Office Budget Per State As A Percentage Of Their IGR by ALTERNATEID: 8:41pm On Oct 30, 2024
OVB123:
U dey fine trouble grin
Peace is not an option on Nairaland. It’s all round trouble.
Politics › Re: BREAKING: Jubilation As Power Is Restored In Northern States by ALTERNATEID: 8:35pm On Oct 30, 2024
Blessedman98:
Tinubu just punished Northern region
Northerners are the ones punishing themselves for politics. Tinubu is not responsible for the blackout but irresponsible northern politicians who paid bandits to destroy electrical installations so that they can blackmail the president with it.

Pray tell, where in the world do bandits willfully destroy electrical installations? What’s in it for them? Left to folks like me, the electrical installations won’t be repaired for a year. Let the big mouth northern influencers who were paid to trend the story keep the threats coming.
Politics › Re: President Tinubu appoints Maj-Gen Olufemi Oluyede As Acting Chief of Army Staff by ALTERNATEID: 7:53pm On Oct 30, 2024
kettykin:
He can appoint edo, delta , ijaw. The military must nit be degraded to this
No. He will appoint only Yorubas to that position. When you become president, you can appoint people outside of your region as COAS.
Politics › Re: President Tinubu appoints Maj-Gen Olufemi Oluyede As Acting Chief of Army Staff by ALTERNATEID: 7:36pm On Oct 30, 2024
SmartPolician:
That's not true. Jonathan appointed Ihejirika as his army chief.

You people should stop making excuses for that thug who knows nothing about leadership.
After Ihejerika, he appointed Ijaw man Kenneth Minimah as COAS. So, what’s your point? You want Tinubu to appoint an Igbo or Fulani as COAS so that he can be compromised against the president, right?
Politics › Re: President Tinubu appoints Maj-Gen Olufemi Oluyede As Acting Chief of Army Staff by ALTERNATEID: 7:22pm On Oct 30, 2024
kettykin:
Nigerian army is now a very sectional army .

Very local. Thank God there all alternatives incase of war or foreign invasion.
I guess you would have preferred General Simon Ekpa or one of his Biafran boys grin grin grin
Politics › Re: President Tinubu appoints Maj-Gen Olufemi Oluyede As Acting Chief of Army Staff by ALTERNATEID: 7:17pm On Oct 30, 2024
LegendHero:
What happened to Lagbaja
I guess he’s incapacitated.
Politics › Re: President Tinubu appoints Maj-Gen Olufemi Oluyede As Acting Chief of Army Staff by ALTERNATEID: 7:16pm On Oct 30, 2024
This is a welcome development. General Olufemi Oluyede is a very gallant and competent officer who is well respected in the service. He will command the Army to the admiration of all officers and men of the Nigeria Army.
Politics › Re: Nobody Will Stop Rivers Allocation, Judgement Is Unenforceable- Lawmakers by ALTERNATEID: 4:01pm On Oct 30, 2024
The lawmakers are bunch of clowns. The judgement is fully enforceable. The appeal already gave a final judgement on the constitutionality of the Rivers state budget so today’s judgement is simply to enforce the earlier judgement of the Appeal Court since the governor has decided to go ahead with implementing an illegal budget.
Politics › Re: Assault On Bolt Driver: Reps. Alex Ikwechegh Arraigned, Granted N500k Bail by ALTERNATEID: 3:40pm On Oct 30, 2024
This should be settled out of court. No need for all these drama. Sit down together man to man and settle the matter.
Politics › Re: Implication Of Court Stopping Rivers Allocation by ALTERNATEID: 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2024
mrvitalis:
There is no judgement on that, there are over 7 cases still in court... The judgement you are talking about have been stayed and appealed

So on what basis is Joyce giving her judgement
Stayed by who? Can you provide evidence to support your claim that the judgement has been stayed?
Politics › Re: Abia Lawmaker Faces Court Today Over Assault On Abuja Bolt Driver by ALTERNATEID: 3:10pm On Oct 30, 2024
Court case over what? No need politicizing this abeg. The guy is a human being like the rest of us and he has apologized. The bolt driver should sit down with the lawmaker and resolve the matter like men. No need allowing attention seeking activist like Deji Adeyanju to start using the case to seek public relevance.
Politics › Re: Implication Of Court Stopping Rivers Allocation by ALTERNATEID: 3:06pm On Oct 30, 2024
mrvitalis:
Lmaooo appeal court is bound to give stay of Exercusion... Seems you see a baby to law

There are multiple cases and litigation on this matter, different conflicting judgement

A stay of Exercusion is a must
Supreme Court ruling Lagos vs FG has already made it impossible for agent of FG to withhold States allocations since they are independent

I would like to see what NJC does to this judge
The state governor has no power to implement an illegal budget. There is already a judgement on the illegality of the current Rivers State budget and until it is rectified by way of a proper passage into law, no judge will issue a stay of execution of the judgement.

The era of disobedience to court judgement is gone. Fubara either obeys the constitution or forget the state’s allocation.
Politics › Re: Implication Of Court Stopping Rivers Allocation by ALTERNATEID:
mrvitalis:
Lmaooo no court can stop allocation to a state... The judgement would be appealed and I'm sure there would be a stay of Exercusion

There is absolutely no basis for that judgement... The case about the house members are still in court so to base the judgement on that is weird

I would be surprised if the judge is not investigated
The judgement will be implemented immediately and no court will grant a stay of execution. The appeal court that Sim will run to already ruled on the unconstitutionality of the Rivers state budget. Instead of thinking of more illegal and unconstitutional ways around this, why not advise the governor to do the right and legal thing by taking the state’s budget to the authentic Rivers State house of Assembly as required by law and affirmed in the judgement of the court of appeal.

Why should the governor be doing the wrong thing because of politics? Why can’t he obey a simple court judgement?
Politics › Re: Statisense: Governor’s Office Budget Per State As A Percentage Of Their IGR by ALTERNATEID: 1:39pm On Oct 30, 2024
Racoon:
Imagine the money they are budgeting for government house expense. Guess these are the corrupt fellas wasting Nigeria lean resources?
Yeah, fellas like Abia governor who budget 81% of the entire IGR of the state for government house expenses.
Politics › Re: Statisense: Governor’s Office Budget Per State As A Percentage Of Their IGR by ALTERNATEID: 1:36pm On Oct 30, 2024
helinues:
Wear your glasses
Seen. No be fight.

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