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Olu317:
It affirm that Niger Delta and eastern Mali, were occipied before Ife because Niger acted as a conduit of trade from the Atlantic coast to the Sahel and thence to the Middle East (Davison,1972; Insoll and Shaw, 1997). So also, archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. Thus, the operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009).Even radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009),which confirme with evidence that are seen in more than 700 artefacts of bronze, copper, and iron recovered from the Igbo-Ukwu site and dated to the 9th century AD.


What does this mean? It means Yoruba ancestors came into West Africa latet than Ibos~Eastern Nigeria

No, it does not.

It means you are deviating from the point here.

Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Go and re-educate yourself about African history.

Stop with these nonsensical claims on history.

All the writers that make such claims have always been found to be of Abrahamic religious background.

There is zero evidence to back such claims.

The evidence given by people who claim that Yoruba migrated into Africa is unverifiable. Mostly based on foreign rhetoric and false perceptions are known to us as Abrahamic historiographies and historicities.

Its impossible for Yoruba to have migrate from the Middle East due to the fact that when the Yoruba and other West Africans are living in their glourious communities, there was no people living in what is now Asia.

Those are the historical facts, West Africans have been in existence before Ancient Egypt.

African people existed in Ancient Egypt before the Phenoms began to populate Asia.

The first people to populate Asia was the African.

Go and read books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West Africansic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

All the modern day historians all agree with me that Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Olu317:
You see Bro, you have been unable to provide evidence to support your suggestion that Yoruba originated from within Africa but If you insist, on radiocarbon date, then show there is no proof supporting your view because you don't have iron production or concrete archeological or hieroglyphs or pictographs as your evidence to support the 350Bce of Yoruba people in Nigeria.This is seen in the reference of the same Professor Akinwumi Ogundiran that , In the, ‘Art in Ancient Ife , The Birth Place of Yoruba', by Suzanne Blier, where she said that an early Ife date of 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence

Firstly, who is Frank Willet to reject Ogundiran's findings?

Frank Willet is a Eurocentric liar and faker bro.

How would you expect a Eurocentric to accept that Ife civilisation is older than that of Ancient Egypt?

Bro, i would rather take the word of the reknowned archeologist Professor Ogundiran who's verifiable works we talk about over the director of a Western World's museum that spends most of his time sitting on an armchair.

Go and check them out for yourself and acquire the rights to see his submissions.

For these reasons, its easy for anyone to accept Ogundiran's findings.

The only true African history is that which is derived by Africans, by default other versions are false and invalid.


Furthermore, the reference i made is cited from Ogundiran's own journal as one of the authors of a Cambridge University publication titled 'History in Africa'. Vol. 28 (2001), pp. 203-223

Amujale:
Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I 100% back the carbon dating methods Ogundiran made use of throughout his campaign.

Apart from the undoubted historical significance of Oranmiyan's Obelix, aswell acts as a motivation.

Wish to have experienced excursions that includes places of these type of great relevance, my excursions mostly had me visiting museums, botanical and zoological gardens, anyone may become motivated to finding new ways to make the world a better place.

The urge to emulate their success and their finely honed performances in an attempt to replicate the simplicity of their everyday life.

Atigba:
I dont know the meaning, I have never assert I speak Awori

Our land Igodomigodo is made up of cluster clans, I dont want to mention some of the clans let me not draw some tribes attention here. I want to face yoruba squarely

Go and hide under a smalll anthill. There you will find what you seek.

[quote author=Atigba post=80361829][/quote]You are a faker and a joker, go and troll elsewhere.

Atigba:
Majority are not your children, I have interact with them personally especially the once in Togo. I can hear their language they can hear me too if I speak.
Even the Togo president visited Benin city many years ago.

You are a faker and a joker.

Now jog along

Atigba:
Lastly, even the people you are falsely claiming in Togo, benin republic and Ghana majority of them are still from Igodomigodo.

You are totally and utterly wrong. These are our brothers and sisters on the continent that Oranmiyan himself continually served as Emperor whilst in his Majestic office.

Historical records affirms that administrative relations persists prior to the evils of European intervention.

osax4pal:
I remember back then in school, my social studies teacher tells us Oduduwa came down from the sky with rope...

Oduduwa is a Yoruba emissary that hailed from eastern parts of Ife.

The staff/Obelix of Oranmiyan is of great historical significance.

These type of rare and iconic artefacts represent a timescale in African history.

Oranmiyan's Obelix is dated by African academics to have been in existence prior to the first Millenium.

Whether you believe it to be CE or BCE, it proves that Africans have beeen in existence before Asians or Europeans.

In a way, similar to place as 'Gobekli Tepe', 'Stonehenge', the 'Giza pyramid complex' the Obelix was left as a way for us to answer the questions of age, dates and times.

MoneyMan5:
Oduduwa was not from Mecca

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife...

Exactly, those scholars who claim Oduduwa came from Mecca have a total disregard for Time, the chronology of The Ages and how they are meant to line up in a kind of perfect syzygy.

West Africa predates Asia in years that amount in their thousands upon thousands.

Therefore, the Mecca assertion has no logical basis and as a result is simply implausible.

Let's differentiate rhetorical commentary from true history.

Jesse Lee Russell is an African American engineer and inductee of his country's National  Academy of Engineering for his pioneering work in digital cellular communications technology.

Jesse holds over 75 patents in digital cellular technologies, dual-mode digital cellular phones and digital software radio.

Functioning to enable new digital services for cellular mobile phone users, one of his inventions includes the Digital Cellular Base Station.

The surviving evidence of the oldest complete human fossil is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East nor in Europe.

All the surviving evidence from the earliest form of literacy is found in Africa not in the Middle East nor in Europe.

All the surviving evidence of the earliest form of numeracy is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East nor is it found in Europe.

The earliest surviving evidence of civilised communuties anywhere on the globe is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East, not in Europe.

Humanity began in Africa and then our ancestors went on to populate the rest of the world.

Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.

Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

PrinxArthur1:
comparing a 1981 tech to 2007 tech mumu of the highest order!!

Plus the pattriot missle system that the Saudi's purchased from the US was a complete failure.

Offensively the US are considered to have the most effective capability.

Defensively the Russia Federation are considered to have the most effective capability.

A war between the two nations (without the use of Nuclear weapons) would probably last for an 'eternity', something of an indefinate stale mate.

Add their nuclear capabilities to the mix, then,

bazkid24:
...It's the basis of Mutually Assured Destruction(MAD).

They will both lose and life will continue without them.

Damod88:
How on earth do you compare a country of more than 5 thousands years of history with a country that only began to record its history with the coming of the Europeans?

Because one does not recognise the presence of something does not negate the fact of its existence.

Lets assume the N100 note i am up right now is covered by a smokescreen does not mean that the note isnt there.

Once i can get rid of the smokescreen then the image of what is held will become readily visible.

What am i getting at?

The various communities of the today Nigeria have been in existence hundred of thousands of years before anyone ever began to reside in the place we now call China.

A better way of putting it is that Nigeria's true history predates Chineese history.

Because of the great carpet destruction of evidence in major African cities & libraries, we use to have to believe the false and spiteful Europeanized version of history.

However, thanks to the enthusiasm of modern African historians, academics and scholars, plus other pro African writers from around the world, the true extent and significance of African history is now revealed to us as being one that stretches throughout the Ages

African history is the oldest, lengthiest and most significant in the world.

Olu317:
Stop assumption bro about our ancestors ( Yoruba's) because, Yoruba were amongst the earliest descendants of the earliest ancestors and these people begun in Middle East..

I have no interest in assumptions or guess work, all the evidence suggest Yoruba originate from West Africa.


Hunanity began in Africa NOT the Middle East.

All the fairy tales partaining to the Middle East and the Garden of Eden are false.

That region is of no significance or relevance to Africans.

Olu317:
If you have a good case,,kindly give us readers concrete information about where Yoruba originated from. Precisely, using archeological , linguistic ,oral account, pictograph, hieroglyphs

The Yoruba originate from within Nigeria and have existed throughout the region for thousands of centuries.

Kindly go and visit any local museums and or historical relief center, they you will find overwhelming evidence.

Check the dates of our artefacts and artwork in foreign museums, again, you will find overwhelming evidence dating back to 700 BCE. (its important to note that most of our precious art and artefacts are intentionally incorrectly dated)

Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I cannot believe we are even having this argument.

During the period of Empire, there was no people living in Asia.

There is zero posibility that Yoruba could have originated in the Middle East.

Henry T Samson is an African-American scientist and inventor who created the gamma-electric cell.

Mark E. Dean is an American inventor and computer engineer that was instrumental in the invention of the Personal Computer (PC). He holds three of IBM's original nine PC patents and currently holds more than 20 total patents. One of his most recent computer inventions occurred while leading the team that produced the 1-Gigahertz chip.

Dr Charles Drew was a pioneering African-American surgeon and medical researcher.

Credited with inventing the "blood bank".

He made groundbreaking discoveries in the storage and processing of blood for medical purpose.

Amujale:
Here is a list of some Black scientists

Dr Mark Dean
Henry T Samson
Jesse Lee Russell,
Benjamin Banneker
Jerry lawson,
James forten
James Edward Maceo West
Madam CJ Walker
Walter Sammons
Lydia newman
Charles Orren
Kenneth J Dunkley
John Henry Thompson
Andrew Beard
Bessie Blount Griffin
Dr Donald Cotton,
Willis Johnson
William Purvis
George Washington carver
Thomas L Jennings
George T Samson,
J ross Moore
Sarah Boone
Augustus Jackson
Alfred L Craille
John Standard
Fredrick Jones
Alice H. Parker
Lonnie Johnson
Jan Matzeliger
Elijah McCoy
George Franklin Grant
Granville T. Woods
Lewis Latimer
Paul L Downing
Dr. Shirley Ann Jackson
George Crum
Sarah E Goode
Garrett Morgan
Richard Spikes
Edmond Berger
Joseph Gammel
Thomas J Martin
Percy Julian
Ellen Elgin
John Burr
Walter Wiley Jones
Frederick D Patterson
Jonathan Smith
George Carruthers
Robert T Allen
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robert F Flemming Jr
Thomas Elkins
Ozzie Williams
Tessema Dosho Shifferaw
Kevin Woolfolk
Henry Blair
Leonard C. Bailey
Valerie Thomas
Marie & Albert Van Brittan Brown
Otis Boykin
Dr. Charles Drew
Dr Patricia bath
George Alcorn
Dr Betty wright Harris
Jane Cooke Wright
Dr. Daniel Hale Williams
Thomas A. Carrington
John Lee Love
Thomas Stewart
Lloyd Ray
David Unaipon
Norbert Rilleaux
Samuel R. Scrottron
Osbourn Dorsey
Albert C Richardson
William H. Richardso
Alexander Miles


Thank you for highlighting my main point.

Read and research on as many of them as you can.

Ugosample:
please tell me two countries Finland colonised outside Europe

please tell me two countries Austria and Switzerland colonised out of Europe?

I'm waiting

Every single country currently listed as a European country took part in both campaigns.

All of them, including Austria, Finland and Switzerland.

Some where more active than others, but the records suggest that they all participated. Although all of them took part in those evils, their roles differed depending on their status in Europe at the time.


Suppose a good read would be the book below: -

Book: Colonialism without colonies: Examining the blank spaces in Colonial Sudies.

Authors: Barbara Luthi, Francesca Falk and Patricia Purtschert

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14608944.2016.1107178?journalCode=cnid20

p/s Finland and Sweden are originally the same country. Swedish colonies in those days include; Fort Frederiksborg, Fort Batenstein, and Fort Witsen.

Ugosample:
Attributing Eurooes wealth to African exploitation ALONE is silly

Never said Europes wealth is due to African exploitation alone. Rather, it was a huge factor.

Amujale:
The transatlantic attrocities and colonisation are combined entries inside the "Guiness book of Records" as the biggest ever "pay check" in all of human history.

Only the uninformed can see it in any other way.

In studying the history of the world, one will always arrive at the conclusion that Europes current wealth is mainly due to the attrocities of Colonization and the Trans Atlantic campaigns.

Ugosample:
The Scandinavian countries on the other hand who has a little to go participation in that exercise are amongst the richest countries in that Europe

You obviously are ignorant of the facts

All of Europe partook in the Trans Atlantic campaign. There is not one European country that you can find on the map, that did not partake in both the Trans Atlantic campaign and Colonisation.

Ugosample:
if They got rich off the backs of black folks principally, how were theu able to finance their very expensive expeditions world wide?

Europe's exoloitation of Africa's wealth started far back as 400BCE. Here is when they get their first real riches from, ones that they fed off drop-by-drop until the late 20th century.

Ancient exploiations usually tend to overlap their future exploitations, as was the case in those days.

Ugosample:
attributing Europe's wealth to Africa's exploitation is disingenuous

No it isnt, its the simple truth.

The transatlantic attrocities and colonisation are combined entries inside the "Guiness book of Records" as the biggest ever "pay check" in all of human history.

Only the uninformed can see it in any other way.

In studying the history of the world, one will always arrive at the conclusion that Europes current wealth is mainly due to the attrocities of Colonization and the Trans Atlantic campaigns.

Furthermore, our engineers and technical handlers built much of the current model of European and North American infrastructure.

Moreover, Europe's explotation of Africa's wealth began far back as 400 BCE.

Lets assume these three major Nigerian Languages: Hausa, Ibo and Yoruba.

(a)All Hausa speaking areas and the hinterlands are to create into their education system the enviroment whereby from elementary to tertiary institution, the Hausa language is compulsory and is used to teach all subjects. Ibo & Yoruba are elective subjects, students are to pick one.

(b) All Ibo speaking areas and the hinterlands are to create into their education system the enviroment whereby from elementary to to tertiary institution, the Ibo language is compulsory and is used to teach all subjects. Hausa & Yoruba are elective subjects, students are to pick one.

(c) All Yoruba speaking areas and the hinterlands are to create into their education system the enviroment whereby from elementary to tertiary institution, the Yoruba language is compulsory and is used to teach all subjects. Hausa & Ibo are elective subjects, students are to pick one.

Apart from the fact that the enviroment that allows for these type of conditions to hold will sustain numerous breakthroughs often in all our daily lives, especially in the Arts, Commerce, Science and Technology sectors.

At a certain point in time after the implementation of these policies into the current education system, every Nigerian that passes through the new and improved version will be versed in at the least two Nigerian Languages.

Leading to a further boost in our overall productivity and further improving our correlational, communicational skills. Important tools that support overall advancement and progress.

It's claimed that China has been a great power, regional power, and economic power continously for at least 2,200 years.

Throughout its history, China has almost always had one of the world's largest economies, largest population, and a powerful Navy

It all started from building a long and high wall all across their country, famously chastised the "Great Wall of China".

Then, great leaders that consider themselves as servants, similar to Chairman Mao, Deng Xaoping, using all their academic, social and political capacity to achieve great feats in China's rapid reinvention of itself.

During those times, 88% of chineese people ware living in poverty, yet, the leaders kept grinding at their fundamentals, especially defence, security and unconditional nationalism.

Deng Xiapong introducing their concept of market economy in the 1970's, the reforms of those concepts opened the country to foreign investment and the rest is history.

Undoubtedly, the essential thing in 1978 China allows farmers to sell their products in local markets, and governments also allowed honest  individual companies to carry out commercial opperations with foreign companies.

From 1978 to 2012, Chins's gross domestic product grew an average of 9.4 percent each year. No economy of any other nation has grown so fast for so long.

Afer 35 years of almost uninterrupted growth, according to some measures, such as purchasing power, China's economy is now the largest in the world of today.

Humanity began in Africa and then our ancestors went on to populate the rest of the world.

Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.

Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

Everyone currently living on planet Earth all descend from African ethnicities.

I appreciate the right for people to marry whoever they may wish.

For me, marrying outside of ones comfort zone is neither a good nor bad idea. Its always meant to be a kind of new experience.

franchasng:
..for their innovative wisdom and technological wisdom, it makes me envy them.

I appreciate the right for any people to progress in the world, the West included, yet, the irony of your negative mindset is that these are the same reasons that i love my African heritage.

Apart from the "wheel", kindly list a few of these intoxicating innovative and technological wisdoms that you're on about?

The authors of all Abrahamic text stole much of their content from other religious concepts without giving the due and deserved credit.

All manufactured religions are fake, false and counterintuitive.

BigBrother9ja:
...
You folks claimed that other religions copied your story book (Bible).
But common sense should tell you that even the Ifa they are talking about existed long before Christianity. It was the religion that was practised long before colonial masters brought Christianity...

Totally agree with you here.

Furthermore, Africans have been in existence for millions of years, some migrated to Europe 100,000 to 200,000 years ago as the first people to inhabit those regions.

According to Europes own records, the current stock of Europeans appear in that region approximately 40,000 years ago.

The Christian Bible is a compilation of various religious text from all accross the globe, the contents of which have been copied, plagerized, sexed-up or outrightly fabricated.