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Botragelad:
Is that it? Is that all you managed to extract from my words? I'm not sure whether to laugh or pity you. Maybe both. Simultaneously. 😂

Seriously, who are you? Perhaps you should focus on fixing your own problems before attempting to critique mine. Go binge on more Kremlin propaganda and then come back so I can gently explain things to you like you're a confused toddler. You're not as smart as you think you are. Stop trying so hard, it's honestly painful.

Son, if you're still eager to demonstrate your complete lack of self awareness, go back and see who's been dodging my questions like a squirrel avoiding a car. It’s quite the show you’re putting on. Haha.

So can't prove the debunked Conspiracy Theory. Got it.

FYI, I try to ignore the fluff and ad hominem but I always ultimately need to stop at the first sign I'm dealing with a numpty.

Soon as I saw "debunked" "Conspiracy theory", I knew I was responding to someone who was just promoted to post outside of the echo chamber.

You're who I think you are.

Run along. Another empty barrel.

basilico:
West interfering with other nations, hoping to weaken Putin and possibly remove him so they can get control Russia vast resources.
The west does not want Putin's offer of cooperation, they want him out and a pliable candidate to replace him.
Greed for wealth and political power is their driving force not goodwill to Ukrainians, Russians or anyone else
Greed.
Last I checked Victoria Nuland is a. Partner at prestigious DC lawfirm Covington and Burling with among others like Eric Holder. Trump revoked it's security clearances last week.

Gbam.

basilico:
.

They’ve been doing it.

I posted on another thread that the Georgia election fallout gave vibes of Euromaidan all over. This was before DOGE.

Botragelad:
I was expecting a proper riposte, not this dribble of propaganda straight from someone who claims to have read books, blah blah blah, I mean shut up and listen! Still dodging the questions. How very predictable. 😂

Bioweapons, honestly. Lol That particular conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked. Why on earth are you clinging to it?

Debunk it.

Notice, I deleted the rest of the drivel.

If you had points, you'd stick to them. I can read a long post but I don't need all the fluff and dreg.

You're displaying all the hallmarks of a complete buffoon. 2025 and you think "Conspiracy Theory", "Putin fan boy" are legitimate arguments?

I was entertaining you for passing the "Can type English" test.

basilico:
There are always people who are unhappy with any regine .
Victoria Nuland lit the spark.

USAID funded protest. - FACTOS.

They even tried to assassinate the man (before the protests). His motorcade was shot up. Luckily he had been evacuated using a chopper while his motorcade played decoy.

They discussed the sharing of Ukrainian offices.

Everything they discussed in recorded audio happened as they wanted.

But you are to ignore it to claim

- Putin attacked Ukraine "unprovoked"
- Ukraine is a democracy
- Ukraine is our ally

Nobody has told me why I'm supposed to hate Russia.

Nobody cares about you. You're the COVIDiot I made look like a fool for arguing genetic modification.

Take several seats.

Nobody mentioned Valeri being Pro-Russian. You always project and then blame others for your own DOCUMENTED Schizo.

The only thing mentioned there was who was likely to replace Zelensky. I only said I'd hold off on explaining why Trump and Putin bought into it.

Losers don't have an opinion when the spoils of war are being discussed. You already lost. See your own previous predictions for proof.

Bow-legged smallfry.

Botragelad:
Why should I read your nonsense if you won't bother to read mine? 😂
Wallow in shame. All you've done is repeat Russia nonsense without addressing any of my previous statement.

You want to know the "summarized conditions" of the EU Association Agreement and Yanukovych's "official reason" for rejecting it? Fine. The deal involved things like regulatory alignment, free trade zones, etc. Yanukovych, in his infinite wisdom (or rather, Putin's), claimed it would harm Ukraine's relations with Russia. Does that make any sense?😂

Time to run around and vomit the same Kremlin trash. I'm waiting! 😂😂

You had to start with ad hominem and end with it because your actual argument is vacuous. Why you think you will pose that my way is beyond comical.

Vitor Yanukovych rejected the deal because amongst other things (energy prices to Ukrainians, engineering bioweapons etc which were unfavorable to his citizens) the deal also recommended cutting off completely from Russia culturally, politically, technologically, militarily, materially, and otherwise.

Why would Ukraine want that if Russia was offering the same loan at far less of those conditions?

Most of you lack critical thinking.

Okay, so if Russia are supposedly struggling with 20% of Ukraine, how were they supposed to then take over Europe? Both objectives CANNOT emanate from the same source.

Think critically.

Russia cannot simultaneously announce they want the whole of Ukraine
- when they're struggling with capturing it

And then want all of Europe
- if they can't capture Ukraine.

That's the foolishness your media will propagate to justify taking your tax money to fund a war.

In 2001, a poll was conducted (this is ONLINE as I type) asking Americans to vote on what justification was needed for a war in Iraq. Guess what the results showed? If there was irrefutable proof that the sovereign nation had a WMD program.

Same with Assad and Syria - Chemical weapons BS. Then all of a sudden, Assad was accused of doing same and Obama got his justification.

Rinse. Repeat.

- Did Putin want a peace deal signed 1 week into the SMO?
- Did the conditions of that peace deal not favor Ukraine much more than the present one being offered?
- why did Zelensky reject that deal he was going to sign?

Remember this when you believe Russia wanted Kiev.
Remember this when you believe Russia wanted a war they had been avoiding since 2014.

Botragelad:
What's the point of all your reading if you're a bit slow on the uptake? Instead of actually addressing my points, you're foaming in the mouth about your life story. Am I supposed to care about that?😂

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal, then suddenly it blew up into a nationwide thing? Again, were all those people on Maidan, students, workers, old age pensioners, secret CIA agents, were they? Tell us how the US also organised the pulling down of Lenin's statue or the building of those makeshift barricades by ordinary people. Honestly, you lot can be weird sometimes, trying to sound clever.

You're boasting about reading Scott Horton and watching Oliver Stone's documentary, but they weren't exactly dodging bullets or facing the riot squad on Maidan, were they? Meanwhile, the raw footage from "Euromaidan: Rough Cut" shows normal Ukrainians turning into proper soldiers. Are you saying they were just acting out a script from Langley!🤷🏼

If millions of Russians marched in Moscow demanding that Putin resign and they were met with snipers and riot police, would you call that a foreign backed coup too?

Boy, you mentioned Chris Murphy’s comments from '14 but conveniently ignore the fact that Euromaidan was basically about years of frustration over corruption, kleptocracy, and Yanukovych's authoritarian ways. Now, even if foreign diplomats chipped in with some support for the protesters, does that wipe away the agency of millions of Ukrainians who risked their lives?

Keep on spewing nonsense to fit your Kremlin spiel. Let's see how you ignore the questions and detach from reality again.

I'm not reading this nonsense beyond this point -

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal

Just to prove you are merely a recorded tape of dumb narratives only fit for fools.

What were the summarized conditions of that deal that Yanukovych rejected? What was his official reason for rejecting it?

See how to isolate your points in bits? I want to get your gears rolling.

Those who like to know why I come back to rub it in when I am right again:

- Russia will get every penny of their stolen money. They'll use some of it to rebuild Ukraine.

- Trump has no intentions of funding the lost war. He is only trying to get that minerals deal switched from UK to the USA - but he can't. Zelensky signed with UK (that's why he went back there after the white house fiasco).

- Zelensky is not a legitimate president so any deals signed will be revoked after he is ousted. Martial Law nonsense only works for fools who take their news from lame street media sources. Martial Law only comes into effect after an OFFICIAL declaration of war. There has been no official declaration of war.

- Zelensky knows this (as do UK) which is why they need the US to back this war to protect their grift. That's why they've invested in removing a Russian-leaning Ukrainian President in 2014.

- US intelligence is aware of this which is part of why Trump ignored their overtures. They're scrambling because the burst is upon them.

- Putin is offering US more minerals than Ukraine ever could. Russia has more and have all the cards. They won't accept NATO forces in Ukraine. That's why Trump won't. Trump will rather sign that deal with Russia than Zelensky who 1. Does not and, 2. Cannot keep his words.

- UK leading the beggers from France and the rest of NATO will try to do ba lé for Trump again cap-in-arms. He will say no to perpetuating the war. Ursula's calls are getting bounced.

- Without US support, Ukraine will beg for a peace agreement which will sanction Zelensky and forbid Ukraine from joining NATO. Russia and Trump won't work with Zelensky. I suspect the 2nd name in this will be the Ukrainian President.

- War ends (due to lack of US support)

If I am right, I'll come back to explain why that number 2 name became the president of Ukraine.

Botragelad:
Lol, was the Euromaidan not an uprising by the Ukrainian people against a corrupt and authoritarian government. Tell me otherwise.

If it was a US-backed coup, why did it take months of sustained protests and bloodshed to overthrow Yanukovych? Surely, the CIA could have just sent in a few guys in black suits to sort it out, couldn't they?

How about the million people march in Kyiv demanding his resignation? Were they all paid by the US?😂
By the way, why did you ignore my previous questions. Why am I obligated to answer yours when you couldn't provide a single answer to mine! 🤷🏼

I didn't ignore them.

You're completely incoherent and uncoordinated. I had to handle your posts piecemeal style as you are very convinced of your CNN nonsense.

I've read over 500 (7500 to go) pages of Scott Hortons' "Provoked". I've listened to every major seminar conducted by Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearshiermer, Scott Ritter.

I actively listen to Judge Neapolitano (and everyone he interviews) Victor Hanson, Thomas Sowell. I can go on and on.

I even posted Oliver Stone's documentary on Ukraine from 2016. He interviewed Putin as well as all the major stakeholders. He predicted everything we see today.

I had to give you a snippet of the type of content I've consumed. If you think you would just tack flimsy, superficial incohesive nonsense my way, you have a long thing coming.

I know where to compartmentalize you now.

Maybe look for Chris Murphy from 2014 (on VIDEO) explaining the US's role in that protest. Then take several seats.

You're a learner.

Botragelad:
Just another Putin fan boy. 😂😂
Victoria Nuland is all you need to know about Maidan? Right, and I suppose all you need to know about astrophysics is a telescope!

Enjoy your Kremlin garbage.

Ad hominem.

So no cogent argument as suspected.

bemeruca:
You are not making sense at all. There is not double standards with me on this ukraine Russia issue.

If Russia. Fact are these:

Russia is significantly weak
They have to move assets from Syria to Ukraine
As a result Syria fell
They don't have tanks
They are dying like flies in ukraine
Their airforce is degraded
Their air defence is a joke

The only card they have is they will use nuke. If one mad man says okay, we are ready for your nuclear war, unless they are serious they will lose their front in Ukraine. And even if they are not bluffing they will lose more as well as many other nations.

So no proof.

I've binned this post.

Iran is the next war.

Rinse. Repeat.

PS: That's why you're seeing all the ethnic cleansing in Syria. This is what Israel wanted and Trump is playing fiddle.

For the fools who think I'm blindly MAGA. I DISAGREE with Trump on his Israel policy and Politics.

bemeruca:
His objective is kiev

Total fail

Can you prove this or evidence only matters when it is people you don't like?

See why I warned against double standards?

basilico:
Putin has largely achieved his objectives with respect to Ukraine.
-He has taken the eastern part that is more Russian than Ukraine.
-Crimea the sea port is now contiguous with the Russian federation.
-Eastern Ukraine oil production esp shale oil would have eaten into Russia EU revenues. Its now in his hands. He is still selling oil to EU via China and India.

For everybody else except Putin & Trump, their words don't matter. You have to theorize another motive or objective.

For Susan Rice, Biden. You simply cannot take their words and actions. You have to show videos of Biden sitting inside a building in Burisma to prove he was colluding with them and receiving bribes.

Rules for thee but not rules for we.

Double-standards.

Botragelad:
Quit yapping!
And don't insult your intelligence by pretending Putin's stated aims are anything other than a smokescreen. "Protecting Russian speakers"? "Denazification"? That's the sort of nonsense you feed to gullible people on state-controlled telly. The real objective was always regime change, grabbing territory, and reasserting Russia's dominance. Why else would they have sent troops to Kyiv in the first place? It's not about what he said, it's about what he did. And what he did was launch a full-scale invasion. Plain and simple.

Can you prove anything in this post?

- regime change you mean like 2014 when the US did so?

Explain what you have above in the context of Euromaidan. This is a knowledge check. Any form of diversions or deflections will be ignored.

bemeruca:
How is Russia defeating NATO if they could manage 17% of Ukraine in 3 years and depleting all their military assets.

The only card they have got is Nukes and if another mad man should call their bluff Russia will be chased out of Ukraine.

I don't even know where to start redirecting your mind from the point that you too swallowed the kool-aid.

What was the objective of the SMO as announced by Putin?

Don't tell me you're about to quote Zelensky or Milley and attach 3-day operation to Russia. That's another lie the media just propagated. What did Russia itself say was the objective? Why do you doubt them but not Sullivan, Zelensky etc who are liars?

Or is it Kiev? You know that there are 5 million people living in the city. Russia's 300K ground troops will need to completely destroy that City to over throw 5 million denizens. Why will Russia want to do that? Kiev is the mother of Russian Cities.

Okay, so if Russia are supposedly struggling with 20% of Ukraine, how were they supposed to then take over Europe? Both objectives CANNOT emanate from the same source.

Think critically.

Even Clinton confessed on video that Putin kept EVERY single agreement or deals they ever had. Putin has the reputation of a man who keeps his words more than any name that is being thrown at him.

Why should I doubt him and not them? Why?

Russia is not fighting Ukraine.
Russia is fighting NATO.

basilico:
Margaret Brennan of CBS news interviewed Kristi Noem the DHS secretary.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kristi-noem-homeland-security-secretary-face-the-nation-transcript-03-09-2025/

Read or watch. It's very apparent that all she wanted was to poke holes and make her look her bad in every way.

The media of today is just pathetic.
Kristi came prepared and handled every question expertly.

I saw this as well. And the emboldened is exactly what I believe.

People don't yet understand the level of betrayal they've suffered and still suffer at the hands of the legacy media.

They hate you guys (obviously not referring to you).
They don't rate you.
They underrate you guys.
They underestimate you.

Yet you rush to cape for them like sado-masochists who love to be pummeled.

Maeve7:
What are you smoking?

What part don't you agree with?

Hypo - thesis

Weak guess.

Hyper - thesis.

Strong guess.

Theory---> far better than any guess. Goes beyond any guess work because it is preconditioned on established facts.

For example, no expert worth listening to claims "what I gave you will protect you against the VIRUS itself but won't protect you against someone who didn't take a weakened version of the same virus"

If you can protect me against the virus you can protect me against the virus when it is weakened, no?

I feel like Ben Bruce sometimes because I just want to make common sense

cococandy:
What science or health qualification does he have to determine what the food safety standards are?
Why is he promoting a culture of mistrust for experts in their respective fields?

If we have a disease outbreak in the future where hundreds or thousands die because of this decision, you guys will say he’s being unfairly covered in the news.

How can one person be this ignorant and unwilling to learn. You know whatever he eats will be safe because the White House culinary team will make sure of that.

But he doesn’t mind endangering the public to save a few bucks towards the tax cuts he wants to give his rich friends. All of you supporting this are complicit and all I can say is that I hope none of you or your loved ones will be on the receiving end of it.

I don't want to go into the weeds with you. Just some posers to help catalyze a common sense discussion.

If birdflu is the driver behind eliminating poultry why not do same for every bird in the US? Have you actually researched how bird flu can be contracted?

Who are the experts and how did you confirm that they were experts? What track record of expertise can we rely on?

Who said his own policy advisors are not experts? How do you think true science works? By blind consensus or by challenging the status quo until we have provable and reproducible solutions?

Stolen:
I DONT WANT TO DIG UP US ECONOMIC DECLINE NEWS REPORT UNDER BIDEN, COCOCANDY KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT BUT REMAINED MUTE.


NOW SHE WANT TO BLAME TRUMP WHO IS BARELY 8 WEEKS IN OFFICE.


THESE DEMONS EHN...

She types like she does onlyfans for a living.

Stolen:
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/4633147-bidens-worst-case-economic-scenario-is-unfolding-at-the-worst-possible-time/

I didn't even know you had posted this when I was still typing.

People just want opinions that confirm their biases. I'd rather give them the facts and hope they come to the right conclusions.

basilico:
I am of the opinion that every action and decision has negative and positive effects
When it is Joe Biden media coverage of him was positive and glowing almost saint like.
With Trump it's all about gloom ,doom, gates of hell and sinking into the abyss.

It is why I advise you guys to reject the legacy media in everything.

Don't reject them on every issue except Israel. They are lying about it again. October 7. What's going on in Syria etc. I just don't like to major on the minors. The legacy media is the enemy of truth. They are activists. They are paid to lie. They will never be on the right side of history.

Why am I saying this?

Because the economy was never thriving but your media lied. They padded numbers to hide unemployment. They lied about the employment numbers and revised it many times after the elections.

I said it on another thread, and people rushed to quote legacy media to refute me. The USD is backed by absolutely eff all. That's another burst waiting to happen.

There's a reason all the rigging done by the Democrats and their rigging machinery failed woefully in installing Kamala as POTUS. They couldn't propagandize Americans enough into believing the economy. I saw the definition of an economic recession get changed in real time just to hide the obvious collapse.

Remember how Vaccine definition was changed as well.

- 100% safe and effective at stopping contraction & spreading
- 98%
- 92%
- 50%
- the Unvaxxed are driving down the effectiveness of the jabs
- 0% but it definitely stops hospitalizations and deaths
- Nobody ever said it will stop contraction and transmission. They only said it would stop hospitalizations and deaths.
- booster 5, 7, 8
- Omicron
- LONG COVID ( )

I have to remind you fools. This has always been the game they play. Look up old videos of WMD in Iraq.

Once it was clear there were no WMDs, nobody apologized to you for lying, killing your children and sending your money to the coffers of the MIC.

They moved on to the next grift.

Here you are hating Trump for being President for 48 days. The recession Biden was hiding is impending. But if you hate Trump so much, kindly leave the US for the countries that will do better.

Trump is the man to reset America and set her back on the right path.

basilico:
Everything I hear about Trump is always an extrapolation into the future in the most negative way .
If Trump cured cancer and heart diseases they would decry the loss of business to funeral service providers
Useless people.

It's not about the projections. It is that stupid people who lack critical thinking skills gobble it up and immediately start promoting it like it is gospel truth.

Fools, who are primed to supporting evil no matter how it tries to announce itself.

- Your taxpayer's money was used to fund NATO and EU's wars whilst they used theirs to buy Russian energy. But it is Trump who is lionizing Russia.

- I know you fools need someone to connect the dots for you. Well, if that war in Ukraine was a proxy war (which it is) it means the entire NATO/EU apparatchik supported by US intelligence and funds failed spectacularly in denting Russia.

AKA Russia won and the US lost, BIGLY.

Trump is trying to save face for America. Especially for a useless war that should've never commenced.

Why are you guys so delusional about the US's capacity?

In what world is America being projected as weak for stylishly pulling out of a war that has ALREADY been lost.

I've never had to contend with this level of stupidity in my life.

You guys just saw Russia defeat NATO/EU + USA in Ukraine and you are still playing Ostrich about the USA's strength? Why? Because your media said so?

The same media of Ukraine is winning and at the same time stop Putin before he takes over Europe?

See why it goes back to the media? Why do you think you can trust the same people who lied to you about Kamala Harris? Why?

Do you really think she lost by 1.5%? Does 20% approval rating match with only 1.5 million people preferring Trump to her?

I don't want to inform your truth. I just care that you had all the right information before you came to your own conclusions.

https://archive.ph/2025.03.09-144501/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/03/09/opinion/covid-five-year-anniversary-2020-mistakes/

Grok summary for people with ADD

https://x.com/IamSvented/status/1898912547270480024?t=HjVdWKWEHiCCB40ytVmZOA&s=19


Very important to post because the same e-diots are online again. I've never seen this much commitment to being stupid and wrong.

bemeruca:
Israel does not support the current regime, in fact, they know these guys are bad news which is why they destroyed a lot of machines from the previous regime and created a buffer zone in Syria to protect their border.

- Assad's and subsequently Syria's collapse was facilitated by Israel - Netanyahu basically said.

- many UN reports from 2015 all reported Israel was in cahoots with ISIS and Syrian rebels.

- Israel backed the rebels

- Gadi Eisenkot admitted in 2019 that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels.

Present day, we can see that the actions of the rebels favor Israel. Netanyahu congratulated them. Whatever restrictions he is giving to them is ultimately to protect his country.

Feeding a crocodile hoping it will eat you last.

Can you extricate Jolani's mission from Israel's?

I mean, we need to stop employing these double standards.

bemeruca:
Every side with weapons in Syria are evil, Asad killed innocent people opposing his regime, people fighting him are doing the same.

What's happening in Syria is alarming and I haven't heard PIM from those virtue signalling celebrities.

No Israel to blame

Israel supports the current regime is it not?

The very same arguments that defend Israel can be used for any other nation. That's why it is good to condemn it in its entirety.

Same Andrew Tate - Florida issue. What's bad is bad.

basilico:
Senator Cory Booker.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-senator-behind-social-media-fail-responds-elon-musks-offer



The democrats have a clearing house that gives direction on any topic. Obama had Ben Rhodes who created an echo chamber over the Iranian deal.
It's also been reported FBI, democrats and media use discord , signal and other encrypted chats to coordinate strategy.

(((One question few ask. In 2024 Trump held rallies all over. CNN never covered any of them live till the Butler one. The day Jill Biden conveniently held another function at Pittsburgh, 30 miles away away hogging Secret Service manpower available for Trump that day. I'll leave this at that.)))

Stop posting conspiracies, man.

The assassination attempt was staged. The blood was fake. Nobody died. The FBI don't have any info on the assailant. Trump just used it to gain traction.

Scientific consensus una

Consensus after firing & censoring dissenters.

Trust the [political] science.

Keep quoting same media sources to fan your misery.

They'll lie about the ones that pertain to your health but swearugad they not lying about Trump/Elon.

This is the only time to trust conspiracy theories ya know!

Remember Lemmings,

Putin bad. ISIS good.

Repeat after me:

Putin bad. ISIS good.

"The vaccine works 100% but if you don't take yours mine won't work".

*fools can't see the contradiction*