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I sorry for all those ACN/APC people who were jumping up for joy about their newly coverted, born-again "progressive".
Did their Asiwaju not hurriedly pay him a visit to strategise on how to humble GEJ

I wonder what will happen to the instruction given to their resident e-Propagandist, Eko Ile aka Eko Atlantic on extending his services to Amaechi.

delpee: I remember the train ride to the chilled, seemingly snowy grotto to see father xmas in kingsway, Ibadan in the 70s. Then we had Kingsway, UTC and Leventis within walking distance from each one at dugbe. Seems shoprite is in that area near Cocoa house.
The stores then stocked virtually everything needed in a home including clothes (e.g. St michael ) and hardware.
The hot meatpie and chilled coke in kingsway was unbeatable. Apparently the forerunner of Mr Biggs!

This is why some of us point out that despite the recent improvements in the south west, we are very far from the heights we attained back in the 1960s, with only the money from cash crops like cocoa without Niger Delta oil revenues, that survived till mid-1980s.

Are Primary Health Centres the responsibility of state or local governments as per the 4th Schedule of the 1999 constitution

naijaboyof4life: The difference is simply in how you accept a negative response. If you are told no, you are begging when you proceed to badger the person. If you simply accept the negative reply and move on then you asked as opposed to begged.

Africa is always begging for help, that is why our money is so close to having no value. how can 150N equal 1$.

Why do you continue to write about things on which you seem to have limited knowledge
The Japanese yen has been trading for around 100 to 1$.
Is it because the Japanese are "always begging for help"?
Before Euro was introduced in January 2000, the Italian lira exchanged for some ridiculous amount to the $ as well.
Does that mean the Italians were "always begging for help"?

Because Africa beg for help, that is why Gay Obama and his British lover David Cameron had the Audacity to command African governments to remove the anti-gay laws or no aide because they know that Africa needs those aide.

It seems your anti-gay stance is the emotional grip that is not allowing you to FULLY apply logic to the issue at hand.
Try to fix it asap.
You can discuss your views about gays on another thread so it does not cloud your reasoning on other issues.
Best of luck.

musiwa24: Susan Rice could not have given abiola tea. abacha killed abiola. everybody knows that.. Not the CIA.. but abacha.

Maybe you mean Abacha's ghost
You seem to forget that Abacha died BEFORE Abiola and Abdusalami Abubakar was Head of State at the time of Abiola's death.

Concerning Gaddafi, see just one item of so many others to show he not only liked the west but was also a slave to them.

Gaddafi interpreter says Libya funded Sarkozy campaign

Muammar Gaddafi's interpreter has said Libya helped finance Nicolas Sarkozy's 2007 presidential campaign in France - an allegation Mr Sarkozy denies.

Moftah Missouri said Gaddafi had told him personally that $20m (£13m; 15m euros) were donated to the campaign.

The allegations against Mr Sarkozy, first made by one of Gaddafi's sons, are already being investigated.

However Mr Missouri was quoted by a French newspaper last year, saying he had been unaware of any such payments.

Le Figaro, a conservative daily, interviewed the former interpreter when he visited Paris in April 2012.

In the new interview, Mr Missouri said: "Gaddafi himself told me personally, verbally, that Libya had transferred about $20m."

He was speaking in a video clip posted by France's Mediapart news website, with the full interview due to air on French public TV later on Thursday.

Gaddafi died from bullet wounds in 2011, after ruling Libya for more than 40 years.

Denials

It was during Nato-led air strikes on Libya in 2011 that Saif al-Islam, Gaddafi's son, first accused Mr Sarkozy of taking millions of his father's money for campaign funding.

Led by the then President Sarkozy, France spearheaded Nato's military campaign.

A French inquiry which opened this year was due to look at charges of "active and passive corruption", "influence peddling" and other issues, a judicial source told AFP news agency in April.

Mr Sarkozy, who lost the 2012 presidential election to Francois Hollande, is also under formal investigation over claims he received illegal donations for the 2007 race from France's richest woman, 90-year-old L'Oreal heiress Liliane Bettencourt.

He has denied all the allegations.

He has previously hinted that he may consider another run for the presidency in 2017, but the outcome of these investigations could determine whether he will make a return to politics, observers say.

BBC

There are so many other credible people who confirmed the donation and most likely Sarkozy will be convicted by the investigation and court in due course.
This does not look to me like how someone who hates the west should behave or does it to you

Gabon's late president, Omar Bongo, also funded Jacques Chirac's campaign.
At least one of the presidents of impoverished Central African Republic also donated money to one of the former presidents of France.
That does not stop the western powers to align with the people of these African countries whenever THEY decide to remove their own presidents.
Please read widely before you form your opinion and share with others on a public forum.
#FriendlyAdvice.

naijaboyof4life: The western world conspired against MKO because he demanded money from them relating to the whole African slave trade, so they didn't like that so he had to be disposed of. Now to gaddafi, what exactly was his crime? Last time I checked, he was a better leader than most african leaders. When he took power in libya, literacy was low(24%) then, it during his reign , it rose to 76%, Do you know that in libya, a student fresh from college received money from government and that government found jobs for them. And pregnant women also got money from the government when they were in labour. So basically , when a person is an enemy of the westerners, they conspire to bring such people down. MKO and gaddafi were not great people but they despised the the west. It is just like how Bush went into iraq claiming that they had nuclear weapons. The westerns are just hypocrites, they have nuclear weapons but they prevent other countries from having them because they want to be lord over them and those that don't accept shall be terminated.

You are writing with too much emphasis on emotions rather than logic based on vast array of information on the subjects you are discussing.
Concerning MKO even without going too far, from this NL:

ITT is a CIA front company - as chairman of ITT he was a major CIA asset. This role and and it's impact on Nigerian political and economic development is yet to be fully acknowledged documented.

https://www.nairaland.com/138094/mko-abiola-beaten-death-mustapha#2380410

and relatedly:

I even took the step of reading the article you linked to

It was also claimed that Abiola died after taking tea served him by the then United States Under-Secretary for Africa, Susan Rice. This piece of evidence was given by Major Abdulsaheed Mohammed Aliyu, the then Chief Security Officer to Gen. Abubakar.

According to Aliyu, when Abiola was attending the meeting with the United States officials led by Mr. Thomas Pickering, Abiola initially declined the offer to take tea but upon suggestion by Susan Rice, the Chief took the tea to soothe his cough.

But this account has always drawn the ire of the late Abiola's personal physician, Dr. Ore Falomo. On June 5, 2003, in an interview with reporters, Falomo had said: "I believe there was a conspiracy on the part of the then Federal Military Government and all the top hierarchy. I am not even absolving Abdulsalami Abubakar. Whether he was actively involved or innocently kept behind does not matter. None of the members of the hierarchy wanted him to come out of detention."

Dismissing the "tea theory," Falomo went further to say that "there are indications that Abiola's heart was thrice the size of a normal human heart at the time he died."

The Tea Theory was only put forward by the Nigerian Government to throw some of the blame on the US. Abiola's personal physician has himself confirmed that his health was extremely degraded as a result of his detention (ergo his excessively enlarged heart).


it's worth noting that even Mustapha's story does not point ANY finger at the US. it alleges that he was beaten until his health failed him. Where then are these accusing fingers coming from?


We need intelligent people in Nigeria if we're to move forward.

Abiola is dead, but Logic isn't.

https://www.nairaland.com/138094/mko-abiola-beaten-death-mustapha#2315059

You could simply have googled Abiola CIA ITT. You can also add IBB Babangida.
I imagine the great leaders of China, India and other rising South East Asian ECONOMIC giants have not been killed by the west because those leaders like the west.
How ridiculous!!!

naijaboyof4life: My bros, do you read news? Don't you know that Obama threatened to stop sending aide to Nigeria because of the anti-gay law. And why must we wait for a westerner to help Africa communicate with itself. "Those who beg for help are slaves to those who give the help", remember I said beg not ask.

What is the difference between begging and asking for help?
In your opinion, is Africa begging or asking for help? Kindly explain.
Thanks.

At the "Door of no Return" Gore island a few years ago.

Being there, irrespective of your own background (white, black, coloured) and how or who raised you, brings tears to ones eyes EXCEPT you have no iota of conscience whatsoever.

TRAGIC events of the past brought into vivid imagination and near reality!!!

naijaboyof4life: He doesn't need to help Africa. Why do Africans keep on giving this westerners more power. Nothing good comes from westerners going into Africa talk less of helping, it is either natural resources are tampered with or great leaders in Africa that don't like them are killed. e.g MKO Abiola, Gaddafi. Just because Obama's father is african does not mean that his duty is to help africa, don't forget, his mom is white. He is not Moses of Africa. He is the president of USA not the whole world. Stop asking for help. Those who ask for help are slaves to those who give help.

Some generally good points but the bold portion must be joke. Not so

Swinger007: u have no idea what u are talking about, africa do not need the aid/money america is giving us, what we demand from america is simple.. fair trade in the world market for our produce, stop selling guns and amunition to african countries amongst other.. with regards to the money they give to africa, like the old adage says, however pay the piper plays the tune.. they give us their so called aid to control our culture and dictate to us an example is the gay issue and many more, why isnt obama going to middle east and lecture them about gay parade or gay rights?

You as well as most black Africans obviously do not (or choose not to) understand what the issues are.
Could it be our usual reflex of AVOIDING responsibility

Why do we accept America's aid/money if we don't need it?
Why should America "give fair trade to our PRODUCE"?
Is it in their ECONOMIC interest to do so?
Did they give China fair trade for their PRODUCTS?
Do you, as an individual, GIVE fair trade to others whom you deal with on a daily basis when you have greater bargaining power?
If you don't, why do you think someone else or another group of people/society should?
Could it be because they are rational or irrational like you?

If we are ready and willing (even EAGER) to buy their guns and ammunitions since we are INCAPABLE of producing them ourselves, why should they stop selling to us?
Does your own point make sense to you?
How often have YOU refused selling something (including your skills to an employer) to a willing buyer from whom you can make the best profit?
If we don't want anyone controlling our culture by SEEKING & ACCEPTING their aid money, don't you think the solution lies simply in surviving on our own through INITIAL (usually for a limited but long period) great sacrifice as the East Asian ECONOMIC tigers have done over so many past DECADES and are NOW growing their middle class?
I hope you agree that as an individual who does not want to become an adult without control over your own life, you sacrifice as a youth by building skills to EARN a living ADEQUATELY.
You seem to forget another old adage:

A beggar has no choice!!!

Again I ask, in an extended family, how much respect is given to a whiner who contributes nothing financially and materially to family endeavours
That is the relationship between individuals in a family.
Why should the scenario be different in the bigger society and relationship between nations?
We should REFLECT deeply on these things!!!

[quote author=A-town]Like they had a choice. Slaves were forcefully taken until the slave owner realized they were losing "strong" slaves to "rebellion" and decided to strike deals with chiefs and kings. If Africans didn't play ball, they would have forcefully taken the slaves anyway. The keyword here is GUN beats arrows.[/quote]When will we AFricans learn to accept RESPONSIBILITY in our life
Why did other races, Asians, Indians, Arabs not sell their kiths & kins MASSIVELY to the whites as we did?
Do the white people not accept responsibility for their atrocities over the years in wars up to WW2?
When the whites' conscience was pricked and they stopped trading in slaves our African ancestors wrote asking that they should continue.

BTW, I have visited both former slave centres in Ghana and Senegal. I was very ashamed to hear that most of the slaves through Senegal centre were my fellow yorubas.
Terrible!!!

[quote author=Okija_juju]Most of the blacks on Egina are support staff. Eko towers is there for anyone interested to verify to visit. 150 million Nigerians and we are not competent to handle certain positions.

My brother.. Fogerrabout..[/quote]We can either continue down the road of self deceit or face up to our DEFICIENCIES in technical and vocational training coupled with apprecticeship and international certification.
Otherwise we continue supplyin ONLY cooks like the one who survived the capsized boat recently.
Our choice.
Our CONSEQUECIES!!!

double post.

Before Mandela who was the greatest African
Does Africa need a GREATEST person?
How has mandela's SINGULAR greatness impacted African development?

When will we start seeing the leader as the first among EQUALS

The senate won't approve state police but can approve STATE minimum wage instead of NATIONAL minimum wage.
They sure know how to continue robbing Peter (the masses) to pay Paul (politicians & political jobbers) and further wreck the economy by promoting second slavery to western countries.

Does anyone know of a developed country that does NOT have a NATIONAL minimum wage

BTW, I guess the "progressive opposition" SINators are voting against this move. Oh I forgot their governors are even NOT paying the minimum wage crookedly using EMPOWERMENT schemes to pay graduates and cleaners 10k and even 8k.
SMH

barcanista: why una de shout? some CEOs de earn FAR FAR more than that.

Are you for real?
How much does the lowest paid worker in such company earn compared to the CEO?
Is that same comaprison ratio applicable to the lowest paid federal GOVERNMENT workers and these SINators

CyberG: The South West is the pride of the best education Nigeria has to offer from since the 1940's when you people were still living in the thick forest! The population of Ibadan alone is >> than all Rivers State, man power that cannot be created on a dime! The SW without even adding Lagos was far, far superior in everything using agriculture as the mainstay of its economy in the days of regionalism, what is the highest agricultural output of Rivers State since the foundation of the earth? Leadership and administration - the quality of leadership espoused by the Yorubas is something that will never be matched or approached by the entire River State till eternity! Now, need I say more? The SW has one of the largest deposits of other minerals like limestone, gold, etc. A word is enough for the wise!

Why have you chosen to live on past glories and endure in the land of self-deception

Did you see the infamous Unity schools' cut-off marks by states?
Do you know how much oil from Niger Delta contributes to Nigeria's GDP, forex earnings and federal revenue that is shared monthly in Abuja to states and LGAs?
You need to get real man!!!

Did the APC governors not do the same thing with their Maiduguri visit a week before Jonathan's scheduled visit

Anyone who knows about protocol regarding movement of presidents will know it takes weeks if not months to plan and ensure security arrangements.
Our "progressive opposition" are so good at empty but populist moves rather than dealing with basic matters of benefit to their people.

ifyalways: A 23 yrs old that should be in school or building his career decided to be a "foot soldier/tout" to some old buffons who have sent their own kids abroad to safety while playing "kalo kalo politricks" with the masses just for a few coins.
He died for democrazy and should be honoured.

When will the youths ever learn

You obviously don't think politics is a career, right

I will rather treat this story with caution seeing the source is The Nation newspaper, Tinubu's mouthpiece

[img]http://2013readsandreacts.files./2010/01/caution.jpg[/img]

Did anyone read of confirmation from the responsible police officer in the area
Just some obscure, nameless source for The Nation newspaper, right and we should simple believe that!!!

This is where PDP needs to up their PUBLIC INFORMATION/COMMUNICATION game at all levels. Someone in the National spokesperson's Office should have picked up this news since yesterday night as the paper was going to press and cross checked the facts quickly at the state & LG level to ensure a FACT based, credible riposte by this morning as the newspaper is hitting the newstands. The riposte should be guaranteed MAXIMUM circulation on radio, online blogs, DISCUSSION forums such as this etc and a legal notice sent to The Nation newspaper to rescind the story sharp, sharp.

However if by chance it is true, the party still needs to manage the fallout effect by PUBLICLY SHOWING sympathy with the victim's family and calling its members to order.
Anything short of this PDP will continue to remain in political wilderness as far as the south west is concerned even though ACN is just as bad if not worse and has many weaknesses that can be adequately expolited by PDP also.

This should enable us focus on issues of governance that affect the populace rather than these petty distractions.

The non-performers in the "opposition" are playing cheap politics to detract attention from their failure to deliver on the basic issues to their people.

The FG's dinner invitation was NOT an emergency as clearly indicated in this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1336595/mid-term-dinner-scheduled-event-presidency

however the band of fraudsters who will like to score points needlessly and continue to confuse the public had to quickly send out a media-friendly news story playing on the real and/or perceived fight over NGF.
Fellow compatriots who have opted to be mugus can continue to enjoy being played for the fool by the smart crooks in the "opposition".

Anyone wants to palce a bet that this thread won't make front page?

Is it not very interesting to see people giving kudos and rankadeds to Fashola for announcing that he PLANS to construct 70 roads this year while Jonathan is receiving knocks for Julius Berger's CEO's announcement that they have STARTED work on the 2NB here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1336163/julius-berger-begins-work-second

Obviously the PDP image management team has its work cut out fot it to change the perception of people based on the effective (so far) work of the ACN propaganda team.

You have to give it to the ACN propaganda crew they sure know how to do their job of attack, attack and more relentless attack to negate ANY & ALL good works of Jonathan's administration.

Seeing the comments on this thread comapred with the one on this other thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1336120/fashola-approves-construction-70-roads

it is obvious that PDP needs to get serious about attacking and undermining ACN propaganda.

BTW, when is PDP going to replace Metuh so we can have a more balance propaganda playing field for the better interest of the electorate

king of pool: Which kind no re they not part of de govn't

Where have you been?
E be laik sey you nor dey follow news. Our "progressive opposition" SINators have been returning the excess salary and allowance beyond RMAFC recommendation to the NASS bank account monthly in solidarity with Nigerian workers who are barely paid the 18k inimum wage.

[quote author=Sunny_bobo]I ask again, do ACN and CPC senators also collect this amount?[/quote]And I answer NO, they don't.

eliment: witch hunting nawa o

What do you mean sir

take dat: Fo0l! Should we then forget that he erred by issuing an illegal perpetual injuction restraining EFCC from arresting a man who looted a state treasury, and who was petitioned to the NJC for gross incompetence and flagrant abuse of powers amounting to judicial misconduct and violations of the code of conduct for judicial officers because he hasn't obstructed justice this time around? Not all of us suffer from amnesia! Selective justice is no justice at all!

http://mobile.saharareporters.com/petition/petition-national-judicial-council-against-justice-ibrahim-n-buba-relation-peter-odili

Thanks for our memory upgrade about the judge and his ALLEGED miscarriage of justice in Odili's case.
Are you suggesting that the speaker not be prosecuted since Odili is free FOR NOW based on your highlighted quote above
What happened to the saying:

Half bread is better than none!

I am sure someone else will SELECT justice for Odili in due course.
Meanwhile let's thank God for small mercies.

Is he INCLUDED or not

Is there no free education for children in Lagos state

Or maybe it is only for indigenes and Rolling Dollar is not from Lagos.
SNH!!!

Katsumoto: Yes I did but we don't know who 'these people' are. So how is your comment relevant to Shymmex's comment? Also, you are yet to answer the question - Is Tinubu a certificate forger?

With the introduction of Emeagwali the pointer is grouping all Igbos as certificate forgers and clowns. Hence I pointed out Tinubu's scuttled case by Fawehinmi.