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overdrive: Hmmm e be like c omotola no wan near airport again not to talk of entering plane,she dey carry federal govt play. She shld ask amechi and co how far.

It seems for MOST Nigerians they understand government to ONLY mean the federal government now headed by GEJ. That really is a pity for all the education that we claim to have.
I guess that is why the PUBLIC servants we elected at the LGAs and state government tiers can afford to literally sleep on duty since they know any blame on government will be directed at poor oga Jona's shoe steps. Yet they collect millions, if not billions every month of OUR money for doing almost noting for us.

Meanwhile primary school education, feeder road maintenance, market/abbatoir establishment & upkeep etc are LGA responsibility. Pipeborne water, secondary school education, most roads etc are the states' responsibility.
It is obvious that when some of us call our president clueless it is because we realise that we are even more clueless hence he is our head!!!

kulyie: lagos has 57 local governments of which 2o are constitutionally recognized and 37 are local council development areas.because of time i cannot list all of them but to cut the long story short,just imagine you being the governour of lagos state with several local government councils,parastatals and interest groups.how many you wan satisfy finish.let him do the little he can do and leave the rest to God.meanwhile dont forget that there is corruption at the local government level too.i am aware that there is a certain amount allocated to chairmen of local councils to do what they are elected to do,but the usual nigerian behaviour of cooruption comes up.they will misappropriate the money for pecuniary gains at the expense of low class areas a nairalander was referring to e.g ikorodu etc.infact i know mrs arobieke,the former chairman of ketu local government and i have gome to her office severally when she was still the chairman and asked her why the money allocated is not reflecting in your jurisdiction and she was always giving me ingenuine excuses and quickly brush it of with jokes and say aburo,kini kan muwa fun e.shofe je rice and chicken ni.ill just chuckle and say dont sha forget you have children and she will be like gbagbe iyen jare.of course i know its corruption that engulfed that money,so fashola has to generate other sources of revenue. At the same time some of this local government chairmen are politicians and he knows what they are capable of doing so he has to be careful but as usual fashola is always the scape goat.how will he check local level corruption in all these local governments to ensure that money generated actually serves its constitutionally intended purpose

I quite agree with you that Fashola is trying given the POLITICAL challenges of the LGAs, LCDAs and LASHA members who owe their allegiance to Tinubu more than the CONSTITUENTS who supposedly elected them into office and whom Fashola is unable to deal with since we are in a democracy. That partly explains my signature.
However, the ACN propaganda team are selling Fashola to us as the best thing after sliced bread. That is definitely far from the truth and needs to be pointed out for a more balanced assessment. We are being told that he is doing better than his peers. I will not benchmark my performance or that of someone I love to the worst performers. A loving parent will not let her child go bad even if it means withdrawing her from a plush setting to some temporarily harsh realities so she can learn the difficult lessons of life for a better, more assured future.

Using the parable of talents in the Bible, we can assume that Fashola with five talents works to gain four more and his image makers aka propagandists are telling us but he is better than the guy who gained three (conveniently hiding the fact that guy had three talents to start with and got 100% returns compared to fashola's 80% return). The propaganda crew even go further to impress us with stories and glossy pictures to imply that Fashola is EXCELLENT, PERFECT etc by comparing him with the equivalent of the guy who received one talent and buried it with no returns for his master when he got back. That last category will be comparable to the ACN (s)elected PUBLIC servants at the LGA, LCDA and LASHA levels. Ditto for most of their legisLOOTERs in Abuja.

Finally, I will encourage you to not only register with a party at your LG ward but to also mobilise your folks & friends to do likewise, which will improve the possibility of seeing GOOD change from bottom up. I imagine that should be easy for you given your interest in what is happening around you, your understanding of how politics is working currently and your participation in student union politics on campus.
Best of luck.

kulyie: ok for example i wear a white shirt and someone says this shirt you are wearing is dirty,no other shirt available.now the person that told me this your white shirt is dirty and he doesnt have another shirt you will give me,what is the essence of telling me my shirt is dirty when you dont have a beeter shirt to offer me.so the man that said my shirt is dirty are fasholas critics.

Thanks for the civil discuss, which is not usual with those who support Fashola or his party's activities generally. You are a good exception.
Using your dirty white shirt example, a good friend would let you know you have a dirty shirt on. She may or may not offer you a clean shirt in replacement for several reasons including the knowledge that she has that you can obtain a clean shirt youself, as an example. It may also be to reinforce/improve your problem solving capacity by finding out the solution yourself.

please lets cut some slack abeg.lets give him some credit.

I give him credit, even here on NL, the few times I felt he has deserved it usually on POLICIES and not on money-spending initiatives or launching some building/infrastructure.
The guy RECEIVES way too much benefit from his position as governor of Lagos state COMPARED to ordinary workers in the same state (some of whom are paid way below the N18k MINIMUM wage) and should be on his toes as much as possible for the hardworking, toiling masses who pay the taxes, rates etc.

kulyie: apparently this is about administering millions of people in lagos through provision of infrastructural services for a better life for people in lagos while at the same time offering job opportunities,it is different from economics class.there is no basis for comparison for the 2

My reference to division of labour was not about this so called initiative of Fashola to give OUR money to Oando as 20% subsidy on gas cylinders.

It is about your discussion with barcanista that he should not criticise Fashola except he has solution to offer. It can be termed cyber-bullying. It is not his job to offer solutions to Fashola. That is Fashola's responsibility in the division of labour analogy I referred to. That does not preclude the possibility of barcanista (if he so desires) offering solution to Fashola as I have done every now & then here.

Gbawe: Assuming you are correct , for the sake of argument, and Lagos is being "used to promote this initiative" by OANDO. What is the problem? Will Lagosians be forced to buy LPG at gun-point or will the laws of demand and supply still apply leading to attendant benefit for the State? Is this not another worthy effort providing more choice in the energy mix of a mega city with positives all round?

Eko Ile: Fortunately for lagosians, we don't live and die based on fabricated tales and conspiracies especially on the internet.

We need service delivery oriented leaders to put something positive on the ground which this government accomplishes everyday..

We need responsible leaders to progress our lives and make it better and when lagosians cook with cheap clean burning gas and also breath in clean and healthy air, the last thing on their minds is market women and internet gossips about irrelevant and redundant who is behind this and that.

It should be of concern to all RESIDENTS of Lagos state that OUR money is involved directly in this project as per this part of the OP.

According to him, about 20 per cent of the cost of cylinder would be eased by the government, in other to encourage Lagosians to the use LPG.

* The laws of demand and supply is being distorted by government involvement.
* Why pay only Oando 20% of the cost of cylinder? Why not ALL gas cylinder suppliers? PastorKun has provided insight into the scheming behind that.
* Should a sensible government be subsidising the use of gas for cooking when it can not adequately provide education for all children in Lagos state and has increased the state university fees from 25k to 250k while pipeborne supply is promised for 2020 i.e. five years after Fashola would have left Alausa house
* etc, etc

Many reasons why this is a very bad way to spend OUR money.

bloggernaija: Mods.you had better done something with this forum because ,the unsubstantiated BS the government propagandists are posting here, is turning this section into a big joke.

Which of these governments are you talking about

* 774 LGAs
* 36 states
* 1 federal

Oga na which one?

[quote author=ShyM-X]^^^^^^Bwahahahaha.. Scrap that - it's not even funny. This is bewildering and pitiful. Nigeria has to be the only country on this planet where the GDP is growing at alarming, yet poverty is also growing at alarming rate. Foreign investment is increasing, yet unemployment rate has also doubled.

However, when you highlight the problematic situation the country is in, to these educated-illiterate/lazy-thinking folks; they will start witch-hunting your posts. Everything in that country defies logic!

What a country! [/quote]That should not be so difficult to understand, or should it

Our GDP is driven by Niger Delta oil sales that has increased in quantity (due to less violence in the creeks) and in price over the past three years. This has been shared among the three tiers of government - federal, states and LGAs.
That explains GDP growth.

Poverty growth is due to MISPLACED priorities that do not address the BASIC drivers of growth- education, pipeborne water, good feeder/rural roads etc that are mostly the responsibility of states and LGAs. Rather you have hyper-inflated expenditure for stealing by politicians on questionable infrastructure such as:

* N29b for a fancy cable bridge of less than 1.5kms
* N30b to EXPAND 13kms of Ikorodu Road
* N2b for Mokola narrow bridge

etc. etc.

Easy

Sincere 9gerian: It is the JOINT responsibility of the states, federal and local govt to create jobs and eradicate poverty. The national purse is shared 50-50 by the federal govt on one hand and the states and local govt on the other (via state-local govt joint account).

So while we ask how many jobs the federal govt has created in the last few years and what percentage of Nigerians have been lifted out of poverty through policies and programmes at the federal level, we should NOT forget the states.

How are the states and local govts creating jobs and eradicating poverty with their share of the national purse? How many jobs has Fashola or Chime created in the last few years? These are critical questions

Good reply BUT you need to go further to show how the states and LGAs controlled by other parties have failed to create jobs COMPARED to Jonathan's inititative.
I am sure economics, econometrics, statistics doctoral students can provide lements on this to be polished by some very good PR and journalists.
For example, LGAs and states have not employed people to clean up streets, markets, roads etc as per their functions in the 199 constitution (as amended till date).
Over to you and best of luck.

kulyie: is anybody payimg him to criticize fashola's work.have you ever heard the yoruba addage that says it is easy to cook vegetable with your mouth than actually prepare it.if he feels lagos is that easy to govern or administer,let fashola finish his term and let him contest na.if he satisfies all the conditions,he will be allowd to contest.lets see whether he will perform better than fashola and if not he can go to his home town to join a political party,wait for your turn and contest

I wonder what you have to say about management consultants who come in and advise companies how to do better without actually working in the company?

Make I leave priests and marriage for now!

Sincere 9gerian: PDP is the ruling party while "ACN and its APC" are in opposition. It is normal for the later to have better and well oiled propaganda machine at the federal level.

For the states, there is virtually no opposition at the state level, whether PDP or ACN. For instance, here in Enugu, ACN does not exist. The PDP is even trying to offer some little opposition in southwest states under ACN control.

PDP has no excuse to not undermine and magnify the MANY shortcomings of ACN in the states under their control and instantly rebuff any false propaganda from them against PDP at any level with very glossy pictures to accompany their stories.
That is what democracy is all about.

kulyie: is anybody payimg him to criticize fashola's work.have you ever heard the yoruba addage that says it is easy to cook vegetable with your mouth than actually prepare it.if he feels lagos is that easy to govern or administer,let fashola finish his term and let him contest na.if he satisfies all the conditions,he will be allowd to contest.lets see whether he will perform better than fashola and if not he can go to his home town to join a political party,wait for your turn and contest

Are you unable and/or unwilling to accept basic principles of governance and democracy?
I suspect from your posts on other threads that you are very intelligent and open minded but probably you have a stake in this particular project or those related to it hence your current stance.

The yoruba proverb you alluded to is right but not in the context you have used it. Have you heard or read cookery books? Would you say the author is cooking with his mouth or has placed the pot on fire to do the actual cooking?
Again Fashola is paid taxes, levies, rates, fines etc by RESIDENTS of Lagos plus including what he collects monthly from Abuja as federal allocation from Niger Delta oil revenue. He has a job to deliver on the priority issues starting with the BASICS that impact on the LARGEST part of the populace.

If he cannot do so he is free to follow Pope Benedict's recent example- QUIT!

omonnakoda: Funny dude.by the way what is the essence of locking yourself inside a can and forgetting the key outside

So when was it that you locked yourself inside a can and forgot the key outside?
Feel free to share your experience with others, they might learn therefrom.
You can do it here or simply open a new thread.

kulyie: absolutely yes.or how do you plan to make lagos a better and more viable state,better than what fashola is doing.afterall if you see loopholes in what a person is doing,come out with your own so we will see how wise you are.if you are able to see a problem,you should be able to come up with a better solution

Have you heard of the concept of division of labour in economics?
Don't you think it applies to what you are talking about here

And PDP e-warriors are suffering from hypo-media-gities i.e. the inability to do good propaganda to counter the very effective (so far) DEMONISING tactics of ACN and its APC affiliates.

omonnakoda: Who cares what mood you are in ? There is a reason why sardines swim separately from sharks.Gravitate to your own kind and stop making grating sounds

You obviously do not know the essence of what you are talking about so I will leave you with your sharks.
Enjoy!!!

omonnakoda: Please stop this annoying phrase "what is the essence.........?" just avoid it completely because you cannot ever use it rightly. Do you know the meaning of the word?Essence ko Absence ni

Abeg teach me "the meaning of the word" and how I "cannot ever use it correctly".
I am in a very good mood for learning today.
Over to you!!!

kulyie: ehen,if you dont want to leave lagos,stay na,but anything you see,take am like that,no complain.since you chose to stay in lagos out of the 36 states in nigeria,your home town inclusive,dont criticize or complain or insult except you have a practical and logical way or solution to make lagos better than what fashola is doing

Have you heard of art, literary etc critics whose job is to reveiw such works
They don't necessarily have to offer any remedies for the percieved flaws in the work. Coming up with solutions is the job of the producer, author etc if they want to keep earning their BOGUS pay and priviledges. As is with our politicians!!!

BTW, I hope you take your own advice when it comes to criticizing the FGN administration of Goodluck Jonathan.

Why is Fashola's government involved in gas business?
What is the essence of susidising gas usage when he cannot adequately subsidise tertiary education? Raisng LASU fees from 25k to 250k without providing free and compulsory education to all children in Lagos thus breeding a pool of potential terrorists?
In an era when smart governments are enacting well thought out policies to promote PARTICULAR businesses rather than getting directly involved
Yet we are supposed to be celebrating Fashola's latest media-friendly initiative by dancing azonto and alingo meanwhile the music playing is YAHOOZE and I-go-chop-your-dollar!!!
MISPLACED priority of a propaganda-fuelled "performing progressive".

Yes it is better as one can easily track those who belong to AGIP - Any Government in Power by switching to where they can do amala politics.

And where are the pictures
The PDP guys are real learners compared to their ACN counterparts wey go dey show us photo of refurbished school established in 1989 and expect us to start adulating their governor.
SMH!!!

This is a very good move by the LASG to avoid what I believe if flooding disaster as the people are living in a swampy valley. I hope it is to make way for free flow of flood water as heavy rains are expected this year.

However, the government must take care to compensate ONLY those who have legitimate claims to the land and houses there so as not to encourage fraudulent claims. Those who do not have legitimate claims can be provided shelter for three months to enable them find something else.
Moreover there are more areas in Lagos in similar situation that need QUICK fixing.
Kudos to Fashola for this one.

Mr. Lie Muhammed, ACN Spokesman finally confirms what a few of us have stated about the outcome of its policy to NOT ensure free and compulsory education for our children:

Sponsors of terror are mostly PDP members , says ACN

"For example, Nigeria is home to the largest number of out-of-school children in the world, according to UNESCO. What this means is that we are creating a large pool of possible recruits for terror.

For more, see Vanguard

ACN people have told us that the days of free education in the south west are over since Awolowo and the UPN governors already encouraged us back then and we are all supposed to know the importance of educating our kids now

https://www.nairaland.com/1311395/opon-imo-launched-osun-today/6#16043617

It will be most useful if the posters who reside or visit the area and similar places take pictures and load them here to support their stories.
Pictures are like a thousand words, so they say.
The pictures should clearly show the potholes and the resulting traffic jam separately as much as possible. You can also post pictures of other government facilities like PUBLIC primary and secondary schools, primary health care centres, refuse dumps etc. This is the only way to FORCE politicians to take action in between the election periods. I believe it was Obama who told Israeli youths while visiting some months ago that "Politicians don't do anything except they are pressured into doing so"
So the ball is in our court as affected citizens and residents of Lagos!
Nuff said!

BTW, I understand Bamigbetan was former Chief Press Secretary to Alhaji Bola Ahmed Tinubu when he was governor of Lagos state.

SLIDE waxie: It's easy. So many presidents including jonathan shld av reversed dt.

I just remembered that our very brave soldier brother, General Olusegun Obasanjo (retd.) was president for 8 years (1999-2007) without any BH insurgency to deal with yet he did not did not think "it's easy" and/or did not think it was worthwhile to "av reversed it".

Nevertheless, we somehow expect the shoeless Joe that some of us have labelled as "clueless" among other labels to reverse it.
That's some sharp realistic reasoning, don't you think
Or maybe not so sharp and realistic reasoning after all!

SLIDE waxie: It's easy. So many presidents including jonathan shld av reversed dt. The concept was a good move, but jes like jakande said, they shld av learned to keep up! But seriously, 'wld they av'? No!

I am very surprised at the first part of your post as it may reflect some inadequacies in your understanding of how democratic INSTITUTIONS work when it comes to changing an entrenched policy such as we are discussing here.
In case you have forgotten we have been in a democracy since 1999 i.e. 14 years ago and their is a legislative body that is empowered to make laws for the country. Such laws need to be endorsed by 2/3 of the 36 state assemblies to become an integral part of our constitution.
Hope you get it

In the second part of your highlighted post you clearly suggest that our northern brethren would not have been able to catch up as is evident in the 2 entry score point for Yobe against 139 for other states over four decades after the failed policy started.
Yet, ironically some people still want it to continue. For how long, do you think

As it was six decades ago when in 1953 late Chief Enahoro tried to move a motion for our independence to be granted in 1956, which probably could have made us earlier than Ghana. . . .

My father moved the successful motion for Nigeria‘s independence – Chief Femi Fani-Kayode, a former Minister of Aviation

There has been so much confusion, misunderstanding and misinformation about who actually moved the motion for Nigeria‘s independence.

Many Nigerians believed that the motion for Nigeria‘s independence was successfully moved by Chief Anthony Enahoro. However, the truth of the matter was that he kicked off the process for that struggle with his gallant efforts in 1953, the fact remains that he was not the man that successfully moved the motion for Nigeria’s independence.

Chief Enahoro moved a motion for ‘‘self rule‘‘ in the Federal House in 1953 which proposed that the country should get its independence in 1956. Unfortunately, it was rejected by Parliament and it therefore failed. It also resulted in a walk out by the Northern People‘s Congress parliamentarians who were of the view that Nigeria was not yet ready for independence. The tensions and acrimony that came from all this and the terrible treatment that was meted out to the northern parliamentarians and leaders that were in the south because of their refusal to support Enahoro‘s motion resulted in the infamous Kano riots of 1953.

NBF

so it is now in 2013.

Should we continue to allow ourselves to be drawn back in this day and age

noblezone: The eagles are forced to fly so low, so that chickens can catch up.
No wonder Nigeria is like 1302 instead of 2013.

And this is what Tinubu and his co-travellers that have decided to coalesce into the Arewa Peoples' Congress, APC are implicitly trying to do by getting Buhari or some other hausa-fulani to rule us again as president supported by some lameduck southern VP.

We should be wiser!!!

I imagine the ACN propagandists must have had a swell Saturday evening thinking they have been able to cover their exposed LIES of Alhaji Isiaka Abiola Ajimobi boasting that he has not borrowed a dime in his two years of administreing Oyo state.
Let's review the FACTS.

The OP, emiye started with this:

emiye: Oyo State Hasn’t Borrowed A Dime In 2 Years – Ajimobi


Interestingly, the Governor said that his government had not borrow a dime to execute those projects, all of which he said had changed the face of the State.

“I am happy to inform you all that in spite of all the projects that we have executed and are still executing, Oyo is one of the three out of the 36 States in Nigeria that has not taken any loan,’’ he said.


http://www.oyostate.gov.ng/oyo-hasnt-borrowed-a-dime-in-2-years-ajimobi/

But Gbawe was not satisfied that the governor was simply "happy".
He needed not only to join the chest-beating train of deceit but even had to raise the tempo a notch higher.
Probably there is a bonus reward for such.

Gbawe: Impressive fiscal management and plans. No surprise though given the pedigree of Ajimobi. Personally, I think the current crop of ACN Governors have the potentials to achive more than Fashola has. This will not be because they are better administrators but due to the fact that they have far less challenges to deal with than the Lagos governors.

Laudably, the ACN has recognised that proactively securing the funds for State development without depending on federal allocation alone will move things along much quicker.

Does anyone know what can be impressive about a CEO who FAILED to secure funds as planned in his own budget and approved by the stae lawmakers after a wasteful training trip for their wives in London three months earlier


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If one were to do a very generous assessment of Alhaji Ajimobi's budgetary FAILURE that he is trying to sell as prudent financial management without FULL DISCLOSURE of all the details one would give him a score of HALF-TRUTH.

However one cannot score it as half-truth since it was made to dis-inform and mislead the good people of Oyo state.
No wonder the governor disowned the Freedom of Information bill even though it was the signature legislative effort of one of his party's NASS lawmaker.
Under such circumstance Alhaji Ajimobi's propaganda effort remains the LIE that it is.


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chukkynwob: A scientific law is universal and has been tested and retested like Platteon pointed out.eg Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics holds true no matter what.

I am christian,the basis of faith is your ability to believe without proof.

That is faith.

But not everything is life can be proven some concepts in life are abstract and non-emprically verifiable e.g emotions,Logic itself.

Thought I should point out that my initial post essentially supports and reflects this one from chukkynwob.

Not necessarily.
Life is about balance in ALL things. One must strike a balance between faith and reason for a productive life.
You may wish to ponder about what Jesus Christ said:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[url=http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=matthew+5%3A3&ver=kjv]Matthew 5:3[/url]