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Health / Re: Father Of Four, Chris Ozobia Commits Suicide In Enugu by Aparche(f): 9:59am On Mar 09
drimzsmoke:
I love this news pa!!! cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

YOU...a mortal man who doesn't know what can happen to you in the next second...is rejoicing that another man took his life.

Where's your humanity?

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Politics / Re: Cairo Ojougboh Dies Watching Super Eagles Against South Africa by Aparche(f): 10:09am On Feb 08
SoNature:
God called him when He wanted his spirit; his death has nothing to do with the game. RIP to the deceased and may God give the bereaved family the fortitude to bear their irreparable loss, amen.


While rooting for your favorite team during an exciting game, your body may release stress hormones. These hormones can increase heart rate, raise blood pressure and make blood stickier. Stickier blood can lead to blood clots which are associated with heart attacks.

I saw this on Google 👆🏾

So, it's possible his death is because of the match.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: My Aunty Wants To Quit Her Job by Aparche(f): 3:51pm On Jan 10
Iamjobless:
Pls pardon all errors.

I will try and keep this short, I have an aunty who works with one of the FG parastatals but she is contemplating on resigning. Reasons being:
1) the transport fare takes more than 50% of her monthly earnings as the distance between her house and workplace is far (ikorodu to CMS)
2) due to the distance she does not have the time to take care of her children as she has to leave very early and return late at night.

Ever since she told me, I tried to convince her to just hold on as i strongly believe that the minimum payment will be reviewed soon which will address the issue of salary but she stated that my solution does not address the other challenge of negligence of children.

Please i need advice on what she can do to get to work faster amd return home faster

Also, the husband is a business man that owns a business in the CMS area, I will be in the comments.


Since this is a Federal job and not private, instead of outright resignation, ask her to take leave of absence without pay for 6months, or one year or even 2 years. This will give her an opportunity to test the waters. She can always go back to work if it's not favourable.

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Family / Re: My Mom Has Stopped Looking Good, What Do I Do? by Aparche(f): 1:52pm On Jan 08
pocohantas:
You think your mum isn't looking good because she stopped wearing makeup, wig and jewellery?

I thought natural is better and more beautiful?

Mummy is on the right track and I can assure you she looks beautiful in her natural state.

Exactly 💯

Many women have been brainwashed to believe that if you don't wear makeup, you don't use attachment or weaves, then you don't look good.

This is pure nonsense!

Many are ashamed of their natural hair, and have completely destroyed it with chemicals and hair styles that keep cutting their hair and giving them receding hairline.

Men don't wear these things but they look good.

What's wrong with someone choosing to be natural.

Op, the problem is from your mindset, change your mindset.

The natural look is beautiful.

I refuse to live by the society's perception of what "beauty" should look like.
Family / Re: Husbands Of Groom And Brides Moms Whos Dressing Got People Talking Spark Reacti by Aparche(f): 9:38am On Dec 15, 2023
All I see is two families & culture (most likely with different religious beliefs) - one family prefer modesty and simplicity, while the other loves opulence and extravagance in dressing.

This has nothing to do with wealth or status.


How this should be a topic for discussion on social media beats my imagination. It tells me that many people are so simple minded.

Simple minds discuss people
Average minds discuss events
Great minds discuss ideas
Investment / Re: Binance And CEO ‘CZ’ Plead Guilty To Federal Charges, Agree To Pay $4.3B Fine by Aparche(f): 9:30am On Nov 22, 2023
nabegibeg:


crypto is scam

Stop this ignorant statement!

Saying Crypto & the Crypto industry is scam is like saying money and the banking industry is a scam.

That there are scammers in the Crypto industry doesn't make Crypto a scam.

That there are scammers in banks working with yahoo boys doesn't make money a scam.

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Family / Re: What Would You Do If Your Partner Goes Out Against Your Wish!? by Aparche(f): 3:27pm On Oct 09, 2023
izonborn098:
You're a fool for accepting a cheat back.. She don't have ur time mumu

What is wrong with you? Can't you comment and make your point without the insult/name calling?

It seems Nairaland is now full of emotionally immature people that don't understand that it's possible to express a divergent view without the insult.

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Religion / Re: The Interesting Experiences I Had When I Was A Boy by Aparche(f): 4:05pm On Aug 06, 2023
hopefulLandlord:
Religious belief is an invisible security blanket for insecure individuals.
Closeted minds will continue to allow brainwashing and indoctrination by religious leaders that there is a 'god', and there was a 'jesus', in order that the people with closed minds allow themselves to be controlled so that the various Corporations (churches) remain profitable as the tax-free money continues to roll in.

Oga whatever you have typed here doesn't change anything.

There is a God. Jesus Christ exist. Heaven is real, hell is real. It doesn't matter what you say or believe.

One thing is sure...

One day you will know the truth...either in this life or on the other side of eternity.

I just pray that it won't be too late before you do.

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Religion / Re: How Do I Deal With My Religious Neighbors Wife? by Aparche(f): 12:10pm On Aug 03, 2023
@op...so you want to deal with her for preaching to you? undecided

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Romance / Re: Pastor Who's Married For 14 Years With 3 Kids That Are Not His by Aparche(f): 3:21pm On Jul 12, 2023
djseanjohn77:



Nigerian women will always blame a man for their failure....they are never at wrong unless that happens to their family member or brother.

For every lady that blame this pastor, may such thing happen to every male in their family. Amen.

Many women today, after 2-3 years in marriage without kids, this is what they resort to doing secretly. Sadly, in an age where sleeping around is no longer anything, go to office and see how married women are making ridicule of themselves. The world has really turned upside down, knowledge has increase so is foolishness in our own wisdom thinking we are making right choices.


The Bible says if you sow the wind, you'll reap a whirlwind.

This pastor sowed deception, and he reaped it in triplicate.

The word of God cannot be broken.

As humans we have to be careful how we treat others and how we live our lives generally.
Health / Re: AS Genotype Couples, Please I Need Your Advise by Aparche(f): 4:01pm On Apr 02, 2023
Zeal0000007:
I and my gal are planning settling down despite genotype not matching , she's AS same with me, but because of medical technological advancements, we visited a specialist who told us that we can still marry if we so desired to be together.

Just that If we can afford the cost of going for foetus testing whenever she's pregnant so as to ascertain the genotype of the child. According to him if the test is conducted and it turns out to be AA or AS, we can keep it, but if it's SS we determate, I have spoken to my gal and we are yet a decide despite this seeming goodnews that we can still be together if we choose to, she really wanted us together same with me.
On my part, I have been in terrible and toxic relationship for the past 4years that almost claimed my life but God served from her. And this my current gal came along and she's exactly what I prayed God for, she's really like a gift to me, since she came I have had peace of mind I don't want to loose her because of genotype but thank God for this technically medical advancement , please I want to know if anyone have undergone this treatment before , what's your experience or experiences


On one hand you see her as a God sent, on the other hand you are considering aborting any foetus that is SS, and you're not bothered that it's murder - a grievous sin against God.

So you're interested in God's blessing, but you're not interested in obeying Him?

Anyway... are you really sure she's God's will for you, 'cos the blessing of God does not add sorrow.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Women In Berlin Can Swim Topless In Public Pools Just Like Men by Aparche(f): 3:24pm On Mar 13, 2023
The world is becoming more & more evil as each day passes...if you're reading this repent and turn to Jesus while you still have the opportunity.

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Health / Re: Bank Staff Slumps And Dies In Lagos by Aparche(f): 7:10pm On Dec 16, 2022
I remember when I finished youth service, at that time banking job was in vogue and I desperately wanted to be a banker.

I prayed and wrote aptitude tests, didn't pass any.

Finally had to settle for a 30k job in a one-man business.

Did that job for two years and got a good Federal government job with a very flexible schedule, which gave me peace of mind.

And because I had time, I was able to further my education and even do an online course that opened the door for a remote job.

Now, I have 2 good sources of income.

No stress.

I'm 100% sure that if I was working in a bank I wouldn't have had the time and energy to do an additional course and implement.

Sometimes when you're praying for something and God is not answering your prayer, it could be because He has something better for you.

And that thing will manifest in His time.

Blessings ❤️

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Family / Re: Enugu: Woman Discovers Daughter 20 Yrs After She Was Stolen At Birth In Hospital by Aparche(f): 9:26am On Nov 29, 2022
ObalendeCMS:


You may be right.

How I wish I can help my aunt’s adopted 4 years old “son” in such manner.


I don't understand why you feel you need to help him. Is adoption an evil thing?

Look at the way you even used "son" meaning that he's not her son abi?
Family / Re: I Made A Widow Smiled Last Night. by Aparche(f): 1:13pm On Nov 12, 2022
See how people have suddenly started quoting bible castigating op and I'm wondering why it should concern them if she loses her so called "reward."

Yet these same people will spew hateful speech here, insult people, indulge in or support people involved in fornication and support evil behaviour without remembering that there are scriptures that condemn these acts.

Hypocrisy! undecided
Religion / Re: How Has God Been Faithful To You In The Last 9 Months by Aparche(f): 7:42pm On Oct 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
So the very God who stated over 2000 years ago that His followers are to no longer work for food that perishes is the same God who turned around and gave you a job so you can work for food that perishes? undecided

Is God some sort of LIAR?, undecided

I would really like you folks to consider carefully these claims of yours because it seems a lot like what passes as Christianity today is a system that makes God out to be some sort of liar, the very definition of Antichrist. undecided


C'mon! I'm 100% sure that you're fully aware that you are misinterpreting that verse, but something in you is still pushing you to do it!

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: I Have Decided To Accept The New Changes In My Place Of Work. by Aparche(f): 5:58pm On Sep 23, 2022
Chizzyjforce:
You've got bad energy mahn... You only yearned for increment in salary because your friend is earning more than you. I dropped off a friend because of something like this...

It's not bad energy, it's normal human reaction. You will feel the same way if it's you.

Don't you know that you can work for a company for a long time without pay increase, and you may not complain or feel bad.

But when they employ someone who possesses the same qualifications and skill, and pay the person higher than you, you'll feel bad & unappreciated.

At that point it dawn's on you that your company have the capacity to increase your pay but they're not doing it.

It's now left for you to request for pay increase or continue with the status quo.

The fact that they increased Op's salary immediately shows that they value him & knew all along that he's supposed to earn more than they were paying him, yet they didn't bother to increase it because it would mean more expenses for them.

That's how most employer's behave. Even if they know you worth more than they are paying you, they'll never increase your salary until you request for it or inform them that you're resigning.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: 5 Advantages Of Working From Home by Aparche(f): 7:32pm On Aug 24, 2022
I love working from home, it suits my personality.

For the past 3 weeks+ I've been on annual leave from my regular govt work. And have concentrated on my remote work and Fiverr freelancing gigs.

This has allowed me to experience what it's like working fully from home, and I'm loving it.

Honestly, I don't feel like resuming back at my govt. job but I'm gonna resume anyway 'cos it's flexible and doesn't affect my online work + it's another source of income.

And most importantly I don't need to start explaining about copywriting or remote work when I'm asked what I do for a living. I just mention my govt. job & go my way.
Celebrities / Re: Only A Brave Man Can Marry Rita Dominic by Aparche(f): 3:08pm On Apr 13, 2022
Dearlord:
I have learnt a lot here in NAIRALAND about the mind and thoughts of Nigerian and I have come to conclusion that we are mostly all evil souls.

Always despising and jealous coupled with abject illiteracy.

I'm telling you! Nairaland is a microcosm of the Nigerian society. Full of evil, wickedness, vileness and hypocrisy.
When you read people's comments here you understand why Nigeria is the way it is.

Buhari is not the problem.

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Family / Re: How I Sent My Troublesome First Wife Packing Peacefully by Aparche(f): 6:33pm On Mar 31, 2022
https://www.nairaland.com/6048178/reality-every-guy-need-know/1308#111259797

Why do you people enjoy telling lies on this platform...@op are you not the same person that made the above post on March 22.
Career / Re: The Best Boss You Have Ever Worked With. Share Your Experience by Aparche(f): 4:13pm On Mar 28, 2022
I'm currently working with my best boss remotely... she's an African American that runs a digital marketing agency in US.

She's very gentle, gracious and really cares about the people that work for her. If you don't know or understand something she will schedule a zoom meeting and take her time to teach you.

She's ready to do everything within her capacity to help you solve your problem, even if it's not work related.

Early this month, I nearly lost access to a foreign Copywriting course I had been paying for online because of CBN policy of max. $20/month for naira debit card.

I told her my problem, and begged her to help me complete the last payment of $297 for the course so that I won't lose all the previous payment I already made as well as the course itself.

She agreed, and helped me complete the purchase and then deducted the money from my salary at the end of the month.

One thing I love about her, if you perform a task well she will praise you sotey your head go swell. And she keeps thanking and appreciating us for the work that we do... meanwhile she's paying us o!

Our meeting last Monday was an emotional one as she burst into tears when telling us how much we meant to her, that she loves us and feel blessed working with us.

I told her that she's my ideal boss, and that honestly I look forward to our meetings. And my heart doesn't skip a beat on Mondays.

And I'm not the only person that feels this way about her, today she wasn't around for our meeting so my Pakistani colleague was telling us that she misses her and that she had a dream about her.

We were all saying how much we missed hearing her voice. Even her voice sef is soothing...

I don't want this post to be too lengthy but I'm just so thankful to God for connecting me to such a wonderful woman.

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Health / Re: Nursing Mother Loses Her 3-Month-Old Baby At A Crèche by Aparche(f): 1:01pm On Mar 07, 2022
thesicilian:

The job of a woman is to care for her baby, otherwise she shouldn't have any at all. But you "woke" folks will not want to hear that because you have been brainwashed into thinking that abandoning children to make a career is the modern thing to do. When someone speaks the harsh uncomfortable truth, everyone shouts "crucify him!"
Well, maybe now that the baby has been killed by the carelessness of strangers, she should have more time for her job.


Life is not always black or white, most times there are a lot of grey areas.

This situation may have nothing to do with her abandoning her baby to pursue a career.
It's could be a case of survival.

I have a cousin who left her job after she became pregnant, her husband had lost his job many years prior to this & was doing nothing.

After she gave birth, that was when her suffering started... getting money to feed herself and her other children became a problem.

She resorted to begging money to feed. Her husband could not hustle to provide for his family...he depended on this same woman.

At a point, her other children stopped going to school 'cos no money to pay school fees.

Starting a business was difficult 'cos she had a fragile baby + no money.

I'm telling you all these because when a new mom takes her fragile baby to a creche just so she can go back to work...her survival, and that of her children may actually depend on it.


Do not be quick to judge people when you have no idea what they're passing through.

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Family / Re: I Want To Peacefully Divorce My Husband by Aparche(f): 9:17am On Mar 03, 2022
@Op... your husband is in bondage, so don't even hold your breath expecting him to change. It's not going to happen now 'cos he has not made up his mind to break out of his addiction.

That said...

I know you're frustrated, that's why you're thinking about divorce. However focusing on divorce will prevent you from thinking about other ways to solve your problem.

Trust me there's a way you can get around the problem of him not contributing anything.

If your husband is a salary earner, discuss with him about you receiving a certain percentage of his salary every month...this will be used to run the household.
(It's obvious that you should be handling the finances in your home...)

Then both of you should visit his bank and let him get a standing order that allows them to automatically debit a percentage of his salary and deposit it into your account as soon as he get's paid.

This way he won't have the chance to use all the money for gambling... he can use any amount that you guys agree to leave for him to fund his addiction.

Any right thinking man who means well for his family will definitely agree to this.

However, if he refuses this suggestion... that's when you should consider "abandoning the ship"... otherwise he'll end up drowning all of you in the sea of poverty.

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Religion / Re: My Testimony: What GOD Cannot Do, Does Not Exist by Aparche(f): 10:02am On Jan 23, 2022
Righteousness2:

God be praised! I thank God for your life.

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Romance / Re: Should I Accept My Sister's Husbands Marriage Proposal? by Aparche(f): 11:43am On Jan 22, 2022
NovesaTillie:
Please I need only matured minds on this.
It's a serious matter.

My elder sister and her husband were married for 5 years and separated November last year but not divorced yet, though the families have been trying to reconcile them to come back together but my sister's husband has been adamant about it.

I noticed that ever since his separation from my sister he started visiting my place and now it has become frequent. I allowed it because I see him as a brother but now I am starting to really enjoy his company. He has been helping me out with stuffs and still maintains his kindness towards my parents.

He proposed marriage to me yesterday and I have been confused. I will be 30 by February 2nd.
Should I accept his proposal?


What is wrong with you?

Have men finished in this world that you should be considering your sister's husband?

If your sister was late, it would have been ok, but she's alive for crying out loud!
Even if your sister is cause of their marital issue, it doesn't mean you should jump at the opportunity to take her place.


You should warn your sister's husband to stop visiting you...'cos I'm sure you're the reason he doesn't want to reconcile with his wife.

I can't even believe you're considering it sad

No matter how good he is, please be wise.

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Crime / Re: Lagos Domestic Worker Flees With N13.9m Cash, Jewelry One Week After Resumption by Aparche(f): 9:24am On Jan 20, 2022
MartinsD12:

Well I have nothing much to say here, but looking at this girl you will understand poverty has dealt with her and if you check very well now her salary fit no pass 20k with all the modern day slavery work she is doing and the madam is always flaunting dollars , jewelry , pounds on everywhere in the house, it's only someone who fears God can endure such intimidating lavish display of wealth where she is suffering in poverty , am not supporting her action of stealing but am condemning the madam for intimidating the poor lady with her display of wealth now the girl wants to have a taste of wealth

It's now a crime to be wealthy abi?

Which one is lavish display of wealth...do you live with her?

Was it not in her bedroom that she kept all these things?

You're indirectly justifying the girls behaviour...

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Religion / Re: What Does "The Wages Of Sin Is Death" Really Means by Aparche(f): 3:14pm On Jan 02, 2022
Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

To understand this scripture, you need to understand the 3 types of death, so you'll know the one that particular scripture is referring to.

Let's begin:

First, Death in scripture means separation from the original purpose.

There are 3 types of death in scripture:

1) Physical Death: Separation of your inner man (soul/spirit) from your outer man (body).
Every human being dies physically, whether you're a child of God or not.

If the wages or payment for sin is physical death, it means that anyone who dies physically has automatically paid for his sin, and would have to go to heaven. Irrespective of how he lived his life.

We know that this is not true, based on scripture.


Verdict: The wages of sin is NOT physical death.

2) Spiritual Death: This is the state of a living man in sin... it's the default state of every human being who has reached an age of accountability.

It means the separation of man from God & the life of God while that man is still alive physically .

If the wages of sin is spiritual death, it means that as long as you're living in sin and separated from God, you have paid for your sin...and so God would have no choice but to allow you into heaven after your life end on earth.

It then means that every sinner will go to heaven automatically at physical death while children/babies who didn't have time to sin before dying physically will go to hell.

Absurd right?

We know that this is not true... otherwise the death of Jesus Christ is in vain.

Verdict: The wages of sin is NOT spiritual death.

3) Eternal Death: this is the separation of man from God and the life of God for eternity after physical death.

It simply means that it will take you forever to receive your just payment for all your sins...

In order words, God who is just and doesn't like owing anybody will only become satisfied that He has paid you fully... AFTER eternity.

So you'll be separated from God, His life and His goodness forever...and the only location where we cannot find God or His goodness is Hell...this is why man has to spend his period of eternal separation here.

Verdict: The wages or payment for sin is Eternal death or eternal separation from God in hell.

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Nairaland / General / Re: The Best Decision You Took This Year???? by Aparche(f): 2:37pm On Dec 21, 2021
The decision to invest 60k for a Copywriting course is the best decision I took this year...

The ROI has been worth it...

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Family / Re: Could He Have Ulterior Motives By Disagreeing To This? Should I Opt Out? by Aparche(f): 5:04pm On Dec 04, 2021
Klass99:


Within the context of this thread, do you think she's being selfish for desiring one child only or for asking the man to get a vasectomy? I'm guessing it's the latter (for you) but correct me if I am wrong.

Now, speaking generally and not specifically to you Descarado - I have randomly read people's comments and reactions to the OP, she has been dissed and cruelly insulted, making me wonder if it's her desire for one child or the suggestion of a vasectomy that has people so worked up.

If it's about the child, no one has the right to diss her for it. It's her personal choice and a choice that won't adversely affect any of us, so why the hate towards her? I have seen 2 male users on this forum (at different times on different threads) say they don't like children and they don't want to have them. One said they disturb and make too much noise, the other said he finds them annoying.

No single person on those threads (male or female) dragged nor insulted those guys or even quoted them to ask why or start a sermon about it. One of those users even had 5 likes and 1 share, when I saw his post. But, the moment a woman says something remotely similar or different, like - I want only one child or I like children but I don't want any of my own, that's when the name calling and insults begin, especially from female users towards their own gender.

Is it fear of the opposite gender that makes them stay mute and overlook the comments of male users? Or do they think when a man says that, he knows what he wants BUT when a woman says so, she is selfish, sick, evil and doesn't know what she wants? It's funny how everyone jumps and passes, when the moniker is M, but when it's F, they are all over a thread brutally attacking with full force. The hypocrisy is loud!

If it's about the vasectomy, while I agree that it ought to be a man's choice without him being pressured or compelled to do it, the fury, vitriol and nastiness I am seeing, is still unwarranted and very unkind.

@ Mercychen, I read your original post and from some of your other threads as well, I have to say that - for a grown woman your naivety and childishness can be astounding (I don't mean that as an insult). Please focus more on yourself, personal growth/improvement.


Funny enough it's mostly the females on this platform that are quarreling with her about her decision, you can even feel their hatred for the op...nawa o!

She has her preferences and wisely brought it up during courtship... it's now left for the other party to go along with it or they go their separate ways.

Abeg what crime has she committed?

All I can see is that many people calling her names and casting aspersions are speaking from a place of personal dislike or hatred for the op.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Uninvited Lady Shows Up For Dana Airline Interview And Gets Job. See Pictures by Aparche(f): 5:38pm On Nov 30, 2021
Tareq1105:
I don't like the comments of some haters on the platform.

Are they submitting that a woman cannot get anything on merit?

That's very unfair and it's hate speech.

There are many brilliant ladies doing well in academic than their male counterparts.

The other time, a lady graduated with first class in medicine and surgery from University of Ibadan, it was war on nairaland. They said it was her sleeping around with the lecturers that earned her the feat.

Very ridiculous things to say. They've forgotten that the same lady had 7 As in her Waec back then.

Did she sleep with those that marked her Waec then to have 7 As?


They are showing the classic characteristics of envious people.
Romance / Re: Why Is It That Some Nigerian Girls Don't Like Flower Gifts? by Aparche(f): 8:48am On Nov 14, 2021
MISSCONGENIALITY:
OP, when giving out gifts, don't so it because someone have out such gifts to another person and the person loved it. Look at the person you are giving that to and know if they really will appreciate it. There's no need giving someone something they won't like. A wrist watching of 5k even without the extra 2500 may have been more appreciated. A pair of shoes or a handbag. If she truly is your friend. Or maybe just giving her the cash would have been something. How can you her 7k flowers and you want her to like it. It would have even been better if you for a painting of that flower so that she can hang if on her wall and it will always be there. One this is giving, another is knowing what to give to who. They don't have to be expensive, they just have to be worthy. These goes to both male and female folks who wish to give their opposite sex friends gifts. Give th what they will like not what you like. You can't give someone what you like and expect the person to like it. It does have to be expensive. If you don't know what they like, give tj the cash of really you want to give them something.
I would prefer a pare of bedroom slippers to the flowers even.
Life is not that hard, I think we deliberately make it hard for ourselves.

Exactly...I don't understand why you would give a person a gift that is of no use to the person.

Where do you want her to keep the flowers?

Does an average Nigerian have flower vase in their house?

You give her a gift that will wither the next day & be thrown away... what's the point?

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