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boyfrank:
The s400 covers Syria and yet isreal constantly bombards both Syrian and Iranian forces there. Dude, s400 in Ukraine is only doing well against the Ukrainian Jersey because they are soviet era tech. It haven't been tested against modern American or even Swedish supersonic jets.

Russia and Israel have an understanding over Syria. Moreover, just as Israel doesn't what to see an Iranian military force deployed near it's borders in Syria, so too Russia doesn't want an Iran with too much influence in Syria. Just last Saturday here, the Israeli Prime Minister was in Russia to see Putin, and is the same Syria issue. So get that.

My friend, if a NATO country could jettisoned a stealth fighter program it has invested in considerably to purchase a defense weapon from the bloc's supposed arch rival, that should tell you that the S-400 is highly credible.

The Turks saw its capability in Syria where it was "painting" all US planes flying over the Euphrates and that include the F-22s in stealth mode flying to and fro the Icirlik airbase in Turkey. They went for the best. Simple. Uncle Sam knew it too and that is why it's threatening to sanction anyone that wants to buy it. But no one gives a damn what uncle Sam thinks anymore. India bought it, China was the first, Algeria have ordered it, Egypt, Qatar, and even Saudi Arabia wants it. These are countries with military intelligence of their own. They have heard and confirmed the capability of the S-400. Besides, Russia have a history of capable defense systems.

smallrincowis16:


It seems you are back to your vomit. You clearly mentioned that sadam was topple within 10days maybe you should check up, and I remixed you sadam was topple not by USA but by allied forces which should tell you Aremica are media tiger except you show me any evidence portraying otherwise.

ThankGod you said the war was wrong in the first place, but to show how great America was why didn't they refuse allied help like Russia is doing at least they can call upon CIS no matter how small they are.

You are still making the same mistake IRAQ would never have be Superior militarily to Ukraine in any circumstance. ONE Ukraine has Soviet experience in manufacturing arms/heavy ammunitions which Iraq doesn't, TWO Ukraine is in Europe and can benefit from advance technology ether stolen or legitimately gotten from Russia and Europe cos o the nearness.

Well it's only senseless being that will want Russia to do what US usually do in any of it's war, US killed more than 10000 civilians in the first week of US-IRAQI war, yet within six weeks of Russia operation there are less than 2000 confirmed civilian death. His is enough to be the best military in the world nobusn brutalities to claim victory.

Mind you Russia has the firepower to level the whole Ukraine in the first week without putting any personel- 2000 calibers + 50 iskander is enough to level whole of kyiv and lyviv but chose otherwise cos that's not Putin's goal, his main aim is to liberate dombass and weaken Ukrain militarily and he's on the verge of that.

To compare how powerful US/NATO force is to Russia, first look at the war in Afghanistan, Afghanistan government were maintained when Russia/USSR was present even till about two years after USSR left in the face of open support of the mujahedeen by the US with weapons, compare to the government the whole NATO trained,nurtured,armed,financed, yet succumbed to ragtag Taliban without open support of weapons after 20years of NATO presence horror
SECOND how could you say Russia has no lived to expectation when Ukraine is being financed,armed and even supported with economic/media war against Russia by about 32 NATO countries? It only show how unfair and bias you guys are

You're one of the few elightened ones. So many dimwits here are used to US carpet bombing style of war hence they tag any other style as failure. With just150,000 troops, the Russian army despite some glaring logistical mistakes and dissonance has calved the Ukrainian army made up of nearly 500,000 strong active forces into bits and besieged in strategic cities across the land. This is Europe's biggest country after Russia, and the area the Russians have besieged so far is as big as the UK. Yes, Russia forces made mistake most from sheer overconfidence and logistics deadlocks which resulted in significant troop and hardware losses. But this methodical war strategy is something not seen or common in modern warfare theatre. Even some western intelligence analyst took note of this exceptional trend, calling it a challenge for western military planners. But kids here who reason from media standpoint and emotionally blind to logical analysis are quick to shout about failure from their Hollywood influenced voice. The truth is, a methodical war of this nature is definitely bound to be the hardest. In spite of some of the setbacks, I'm surprised the Russians are still keeping to this style.

Igbofam:
Help your ignorance some more. You see a lot of you Russian Zombies can be so proudly pathetic that it's almost shocking to see grown ass supposedly educated people unable to utilize their brains.

Those tanks are T.72 series.

Krismas:
I just wanted to feed u wit ur regular feeding bottle CNN I didn’t say I believed it. I was standing in the bank yesterday wen their TV showed CNN quoting Pentagon confirming ONE EXPLOSION on Moskva. That’s why I asked u, HOW CAN TWO MISSILES CAUSE ONE EXPLOSION?

Common sense bro. You get am.

railone:
Go and check your Russian records since you're good at copy and paste you'll see that the T-90 has been used in Ukraine and a couple of them have been destroyed.

More advanced and powerful and they can't still withstand small javelins. tell me something else abeg

T-90 used in Ukraine are small compared to the T-72. Moreover, the T-90 has versions.

MrSensor:
you talk as if you have anything made in Russia.

What senseless comment is this? Some of the things you eat, even the Pampers of your children contains products from Russia and Ukraine.

neuf:
The T-90 has been destroyed in Ukraine. T-14 rn is just a parade equipment. Su-57 that they don't even have up to a squadron of it just test platform.
Who uses a long range bomber when Ukraine is just next door.
Lol... man just be listing equipment that mostly don't have combat operation clearance

Ignorance.

boyfrank:
Many of those newer equipments you mentioned only exists in Russia's propaganda or have not been fully tested. The s-400 is Russia's bragging right. If it fails in Ukraine eh, that will be billions in potential sales down the drain. They wouldn't want to risk it, especially now that US stealth missiles like harpoons are in Ukraine already. Moreover, it will be a good opportunity for US and NATO to develop battle strategies against Russian latest technologies from the distance of their own borders.
Sometimes I feel as if western nations tricked Putin into invading Ukraine and he took the bait.

Those weapons are real, not propanganda, as you would want to believe. Most have been tested in this conflict but has not been used predominantly.

The S-400 for example proved it's capability when the S-400 anti-aircraft missile deployed in Belarus directly shoot down a Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet over Kyiv at a distance of 150 kilometers and a huge meteor shower appeared over Kyiv. It created a new long-distance record for shooting down enemy aircraft in actual combat by anti-aircraft missiles.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s-s-400-missile-system-gains-first-blood-in-ukraine-su-27-shot-down-150km-away-reports

The Russians can detect stealth, that is the main reason Turkey jettisoned the F-35 and instead opted for the S-400 due to what they saw happened in Syria. So the Harpoons are hardly a threat in that regard.

Why I would have loved to see more of these weapons being used, I also want this war to end quickly before it escalate out of hand. Moreover, there are talks that the US and NATO have sent covert guys over to Ukraine to study Russian war secrets. Who knows? Maybe that's why the Russians are hesitant to use some of their modern weapons predominantly. Whatever, war is bad.

NairaMaster1:
What's this one saying? May be you did not know Russia has been on this since 2016.

The same US crippled Iraq, the 4th largest army of then in 5 days and captured Saddam with minimal accidental civillian casualty.

Has Russia won any war? Only to be killing civillians. They have lost a lot of men and equipment. They ran away from Afghanistan.

Like you rightly said war is no joke. That is why I want the war to stop.

You probably watched the back of your television.

It took the United States six months to plan Operation Desert Storm, and another one month to execute it with the help of it's ally Britain. They carpet bombed Bahgdad killing hundreds of thousands of women, children, elderlies, even fowls, goat, and cattles are not spared, not the stupid minimal civilian casualties claim you're making here. Russia's war on Ukraine is completely different from US Baghdad war style. The US even thought that Russia would go the Baghdad style (like they did in Aleppo) hence, they offered to evacuate Zelensky in the first week of the SMO. But they were surprised the Russians did not. The only city in Ukraine that currently has the slightest resemblance to Baghdad style of bombing is Mariupol, and that is largely due to the fact that criminal Azov and UAF forces were using people as human shields and positioning their artilleries in civilian infrastructures.

Lmao. The Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan was more orderly than the chaotic US Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan where they lost 10 soldiers needlessly to terror attacks on the last day and the Taliban swept back into power as the ran away with their tail in between their legs. Same Taliban they ousted from power swept back into power like a tornado,rendering a 20 years effort that cost thousands of lives and billions of taxpayers money useless.

The Russians will achieve their objectives in Ukraine but at the cost of lives and hardware. The fact remain war is not easy.

JohnBullMySon:
Not in support of what the police did but. are you saying that in Nigeria, if you struggle for a policeman's gun you won't be shot?

If yes, then go and try it with the nearest policeman to you.

Don't be ridiculous. You watched the video, right? The officer aggravated the situation from start to finish. A non racist and professional officer with strong ethics would immediately douse the tension and deescalate the situation the moment he noticed the apprehension on the young man. This is one Blackman among many who have witnessed the murder of unarmed blackmen across the country in recent years, and very few wouldn't be apprehensive when they come in contact with the law.

And his fear was justified. The murderous officer never deescalated even though he could have done so easily. Rather, he went on the offensive. And the worst was when he shot the man.

Yes, the young man grabbles with the teaser, not the officer's gun.

When the young man was pinned down, with his face to the ground and his back to the officer, he had a second chance to deescalate or at least minimize the use of force even as he reached for his gun. He could have shot the man on the leg to immobilized him, but no; he just put his gun to the back of his head and fired straight without a second thought. That was cold blooded murder of someone that is not armed, except you're blind to reality.

Fact: if that young man was white, the chances that he still would have been alive is 85-100. But once a black man is involved, the police hardly missed an opportunity to kill.

Only plantation nig*ass defends this kind of cold blooded murder.

ken6488:
lol how can the flag ship of the black sea don't carry nuke

I could be wrong but there were no nukes reported to be onboard.

onegig:
Anyone who has followed this would know Russia was just giant on paper with nukes and extreme corruption. They just think throwing bodies and mass of equipment is what wins war in the 21st century.

Look at the best car they have been able to produce? The Lada, absolute contraption like something from 1930.

Hopefully this tells war should show Nigerian Politicians to stop Investing billions into reviving Ajaokuta, that thing was a junk built by Russians. 2 Trillion naira would not bring that ish back. Rather cut our losses and scrap the metal and move on.


Hopefully all these fan boys of Russia mouthing off here would go get some work and reposition their lives. Wish Nairaland would just ban those trolls.

It's corruption that killed Ajaokuta steel, not Russia. Give that steel to Dangote and wash it co.es back to life. Anything your government touches dies in corruption. Blame your government, not Russia.

Asour:
That US ship you refer to is a WW2 relic in a display type museum currently seeking funding for care.

You probably didn't even read the story.

I read it. And that is why I used it as an example because it is old. Old things generate problem.s.on their own.

ken6488:
What if there was nukes on it

I don't think that ship was designed to carry nukes.

LordReed:
I think warships should be mainly used for interdiction that is to prevent an area from being used. As Ukraine had no Navy ships the Russian ship had no real purpose other than a show of force which made it even more of a sitting duck.

I think you are very correct. The ships were just blockading Ukraine from all corners.

texazzpete:
Bad weather + night + sea skimming cruise missile = potent combo.

But keep telling yourself the Russians are so incompetent that they allowed fire to break out and go out of control…on one of their major military assets

Guy, incidents happens. A US Navy ship has been deliberately set on fire by one of their own, and the incompetency of the remaining crew made it impossible to save the ship, which the navy was forced to decommission. You think warship is like ordinary house? That thing is loaded with fumes, chemicals and liquids that are highly resistant to fire. Not to mention bombs and avionics that burns like hell.

tonididdy:
U see... Them turn internal fire outbreak as a missle attack.


I already crossed my mind, if the news isn't from rt.come I ain't believing

so if rt no air am, you no go believe? The ship sunk really.

ocelot2006:
On the highlighted paragraph, I think you're wrong. Russia never had any intention of taking over the whole Ukrainian territory from the very start. You only have to look at the number of troops involved (200,000 only) from the onset, and even the type of troops. Ukraine is MASSIVE. In my opinion, decapitating the leadership at Kyiv was indeed an objective, but that changed from week 2/3, hence the change in strategy. If the Russians are able to liberate the remaining Donbass territories from the administrative line of control to Russia's western borders, then they've achieved one of their objectives. If they're able to capture Dnipro, destroy the Ukrainian forces in the Cauldron and hold off any counter attack from western Ukraine, then it's another plus for them as they would've successfully divided Ukraine between East and West. Throw in the Naval blockade, and Ukraine will honestly be screwed economically.

The size of the land the Russians have besieged already in the east of the country is as big as the UK, and they did it with just 150,000 troops and not all of them are involved at the same time in the fight. A good proportion of that rotates from their base in Belarus.

tonididdy:
You know people are so gullible they would believr anything.

My sitting room will house 3 of the Ukrainian "16ft" vessels... You tell me a single missile from her hit a 600ft long ship and sunk her.

lol..... Next!

Ukraine did nada. That ship has its own problem and died by it. Uki just claim glory.

ajerimitan:
That ship has the capacity to destroy 75percent of Ukraine in 25minutes. I don't believe a slow missile can breach its automatic spotting radar. Even projectiles in stealth mode don't have a chance at it. How much more smaller vessels whose job is to protect the king Markova along side submarines

People are just being ignorant. Ukraine did nothing here.

smallrincowis16:
Are you intentionally being deluded?
You claim US topple Iraq in 10 days, was it done by US or allied forces?, Can you tell me one war US has won alone?? Even it's not 10 days it was about three weeks where did you get your source??

You also claim ukrain is week? You really mean a country producing almost half it's weapon is week compare to a country buying all it's weapon? You must have been misled out of this world.
Are you comparing ukrain that's being armed every minutes to Iraq which doesn't have any alternative??

I think you don't have a shame at all by regurgitation what's MSM is telling you, yes, Russia has not taking a city at all but what's the use of a city without friendly citizen? They can't bear to bombard ukrain like US does in all it's warscos they are faternal brothers. You can check how many people were killed in the first week of US campaign in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Libya and compare to casualties of civilians in Ukraine at present. So much for world power,���

Kherson and Mariupol are now under Russian control.

Kingsteve:
The longer the war lasts, the more depleted Putin's army.
Ukraine have nothing to lose anymore.
It's tactical...you may not fully understand.

And as for Ukraine, they will get support from US and EU for the rebuilding process.
You can take this statement to the Bank!

Don't get your dream high. Nobody will build Ukraine for Ukraine. They are just using Zelensky as a pawn. Once Russia succeeded in splitting the country, which is what this phase two is looking at, the Ukraine you know today won't be the same tomorrow. And the west will continue their business as usual.

ocelot2006:
Hmmm.....I must say that this is a major embarrassment for the Russian Military and the Russian Federation at large if the story of the Black Sea Fleet Flagship sunk. The fleet's FLAGSHIP??! So what happens when the donated Harpoons are fully activated? There are so many questions that need to be answered. What happened to the ship's defence systems or that of other ships within the fleet in combat?

This probably won't affect cruise missile strikes and the Naval blockade of Ukraine's coastline will still hold, but any amphibious operations against Odessa are now out of the question for now, unless Russian Navy takes out those Ukranian Coastal Defence systems of Neptune and Harpoon Anti-ship missiles. And I'm willing to bet that they're on mobile launchers.

When this war ends, the Russians will have to sit down, assess their military capabilities, and invest in upgrades, tactics, and strategy from the very bottom to the very top.

Anyway, the Ukrainians have clearly won this bout. This is a major blackeye for Russia.

You're right, is embarrassing for them and they really need to reaccess their choice of inventory. From day one of the SMO, the Russians brought in and relied majorly on old and outdated Soviet era hardware like T72s and old ships at the forefront. Only on few occassion you see them introducing some of their latest tech for 'hit and leave' target. The logic behind this is that this is a special ops, which to me is bad logic cause they must have envisaged that NATO AWACS and E-3 are aiding UAF with real-time intelligence data. I honestly would have wanted the Ukrainian claim to be true but the facts speaks otherwise. Is one to ten that some two Neptune missiles could easily beat all the defense mechanism of the ship and the surrounding ships while inflight to reach it's target without any interception from any of the other ships or the ship itself, giving the huge array of defense capabilities in those ships? The math doesn't just add up. Either somebody (5th columnists) in the Kremlin wants this war over with quickly by trying to provoke a huge response from Russia as was the case with Belgorod, or there is sheer incompetent among the crew.
Whatever, Ukraine has the right to bask in the moment although it doesn't change anything on the frontlines. But, like you noted, the Russians have to sit their butt down and declare this SMO as an outright war, and let the likes of S-400, T-14s, T-90SMs, Thermobarics flame throwers, Su-75s, T-60 blackjacks long range bombers, Subs and the more modern Frigates and Corvettes do their job more regularly. It's folly trying to play 'moderate' when already tagged a war criminal. Using Ukraine to do away with old hardware and as a kind of testing ground is costing lives and integrity also. The main problem here is that nobody really knows what's Russia's real endgame in Ukraine per present.

muykem:
You don't understand military hardwares. Warship is being protected like a seat of government. Putin made a great mistake by invaded Ukraine, he thought USA will directly involve and ture it to world war. NATO will continue to hide under Ukraine to demilitarised Russia. This war will takes many years and will only end when USA has achieve their desire.

See analyst

Frankiss44:
Keep consoling yourself... Ukraine shot down the damn ship and the Russians dont want to admit it for pride and ego sake.. What sort of fire will just start on a ship guarded 247

Oh, so you believe the ship is guarded 24/7 yet the crew didn't see the so-called Neptune missile coming miles away? Think.

texazzpete:
A floating mine, 60 miles off the coast?

Not sure how you can claim this proves anything about Russian ‘honesty’. They couldn’t deny anything na. Not when Ukrainian sources say it was hit by Neptune missile, or when the Morse code for help was being broadcast openly. Or when satellites will provide pictures that will show the sunk vessel.

I said 'probably' cause there are floating mines reported there. You can research it, but that doesn't mean it's definite. Ukraine did nothing here. They just jumped at the opportunity to claim responsibility.

Igbofam:
This one is still in self denial

Ukraine actually first announced that they shot missiles at the warship about an hour before Russia came with their denial.

So tell me how Ukraine knew the ship was struck before Russia did if they were not the ones who fired on it?

Ukraine knew the exact condition of the ship and that it was sinking but Russia kept denying it. Now has it not sunk and has Russia not confirmed what Ukraine said?

Make you try dey use the brain inside your skull even though I know you are bleeding and hurt from self denial

Stop being a kid. Ukraine did nothing there, just claiming glory to boost troop moral. We know how it works.

CoronaVirusPro:
You are a learner! A ship of that caliber had a fire incident and sank?

A ship of that Calibre you say? Is your Covid-19 affecting you?

Here is a US ship currently sinking on its own as we speak while on port:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjyk2vosUs

You can't shit old age.


Even new ships develops and encounter problems, not to mention ship built in the 1980s.

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/13/us/navy-ship-milwaukee-breaks-down/index.html

Change that your username o. Just kidding.

texazzpete:
1. Ukraine never claimed they sunk the ship.

2. The ‘people who own it’ are Russians who are well known for lying.

In the other thread you were claiming the ship sailed on its own power to Sevastopol. Now you’re on board with the claim that it sank while being towed �

Ukraine said they sunk the ship, that it capsized.

Both sides in war are guilty of propanganda. Everyone knows that except those who are too emotionally inept.

In the other thread, I based my claim on US own intelligence report, which link I posted. I reassessed that formal Intel based on the new Intel that it was lost while being towed, which also corroborate the first US Intel that it did not sank from the word go as claimed by the Ukrainians.

At the end, the ship was lost, and that's the button line.

Ukraine did not sink the ship. Even the US said they cannot verify the Ukrainian claim. That ship probably ran into a floating mine or had some internal incidents that led to the explosion. Ukraine lied it sunk it from the word go, but how do you tow a ship that is already sunk?

Whatever, the ship was lost on its way being towed to port. So a loss is a loss. At least, it proves the Russians are more honest with their losses compared to Ukraine who claimed to have only lost 1000+ soldiers since the war began. And I guess they have not lost any plane, ship or machine.

Even creatures now hate this dementia case man.

texazzpete:
BWahahahahahaha!

Love how humble this news has made you.

Going from ‘fake news’ to ‘it’s just a scratch’ and now the cold acceptance.

Too bad sha

It's only an emotional ediot that sees factual reality and replace it with emotional reality like most of the kids here. The people who own the ship says it sunk on its way being towed to port, what else do you expect me to say? Ukraine said they sunk it from the word go; how do you tow a ship that sunk already? So either way, it proved the Ukrainian initial claim was a lie, but it doesn't change the fact that the ship was later lost. A loss is a loss. And that is one very important ship.