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aguizm: Mr arcbay I can see you are a professional breeder,I intend going into breeding myself but that will be after learning all what I need to know about breeding before venturing into it.You,olomoadebayo,mckandrel,oga seun,mayorall and other pros in the canine world should please continue to educate us more about dogs. Seriously following this section with keen interest. Gracias to u all.

You're very much welcome. Each and every breeder started off as a newbie, and you should also endeavor to work towards becoming a reputable breeder. Just start off somewhere, with a "light breed" probably a GSD, cos they are easily maintained. I started off with a female GSD when I was 10years of age. Some started with a Lhasa apso, some with samoyeds while others started with a mongrel. Whatever your choice is, just get a good pup, persevere for the time being, give your pet all the love and attention they deserve and in due time, your tentacles will be extended...My prayer is this, WE WILL ALL MEET AT THE TOP!!!

AnosikeChibueze: Hmmm you guys has really informed me alot! Wanna say a big tanks to everyone that has contributed in their own quota as to educate me. GOD bless you all. Have already made a decision on which gsd to go for and with d pix of d parents, the puppy would be arriving tomorrow by GOD'S grace plus abeg make Una no quarrel again o....

You're welcome bro, Happy you got your answers.

aguizm: Hmmmmmm..I just dey observe all the comments both structural,educative and informative.Chaii dis has shown me that am really a JJC in GSD.Please arcbay,eveezy u both are pros in canine things.As for my guy kuzee kip up the follow up cos I see u r really eager to know more.Mr Chucky234 criticize constructively without insults biko nwanna.

Thanks for the complement bro. I really wanna make an impact on canine welfare, extending my knowledge to all around me, just like I've learnt from others and I still won't stop in my quest for more knowledge,especially about canines. Some see NL as an avenue for criticism, this should be frowned upon...We should try give ears to each other's probs and procure a solution.

chucky234: The dude insulted me first, check my first post which was a quote to Kuzee's post, then check his reply insulting me.

I have nothing to say to you. Just stay clear off my lane abeg.

Eveezy: Any modification made should be to imrove I must agree, but u also aware of the shortcomings, does the modification outweigh the disastrous effect(as wat I call d problem) they face re or re more prone to, no doubt more force is more applied @ d chest region, bt den I wuld like to ask is it advicable for ones body weight to be shifted to a particular part? Foot? Ur weight must be balanced to be more effective, no doubt people wit one leg may ve found a way to shift their body weight to d leg which is usefull to them jst as d slant back shift their weight to their chest region which causes lot of complications. And abt d basketball, is it evryone dat jumps high that could be a good basket baller? No! It also requires skills nd expertise. The way tinz re going, I doubt if either of us wuld fully agree dat one particular is beta dan d oda because we bth ve different views as to hw we see tinz, am nt against d slant back or anitin bt wit wat I knw straight back re beta guard dogs even with temperaments nd security conciousness. High energy I dnt tink means pulling on a leash so d strength abt d chest region weight wen walking has ntin to do wit their high energy drive or rey drive. And thanks I ve learnt a few things frm u, we cnt knw all, nd I hope u also learnt frm me, I dnt wana argue abeg

I learn everyday and I still intend to learn more. I'll run till there's no more race to be run...I've learnt a great deal on NL especially during arguments like this. I'd only advice we leave the theoretical aspect and go practical. If you stay on lagos-island, or probably you can come around sometime, I will take you through my kennel and feel the aggression of my slants and compare it to my straightbacks. I can also take you around to several colleagues and friends who experience the same attributes between their slant and straightbacks. I'm not concluding though, there are individual preferences, so anyone might decide he likes a straightback for some reasons. As they say, one man's food is another man's poison. I've shared all these today not because I wanna impose my judgements over anyone, but because I believe I should share my experiences just like I learned all mine from others too. God bless you all. And to those who took this personal, lemme say i'm sorry if you feel offended in anyway.

emmyvet: Good!
You know we keep on learning everyday?
Read this»» http://german-shepherds.deviantart.com/journal/Straight-Back-vs-Slanted-Back-323098303

Jeez!!! I so much love guys with brains. I admire your intelligence and your zeal to know more. Let me ask you these, why would you showcase something which is already in existence? The term "showdogs" is used for slants because they originated way way after the straightbacks, and they were "showcased" to show-off their additional attributes. But critics within and outside the US have risen against the slants because the advent cos slants drastically reduced the market share for the straightbacks. Those journals on the internet were uploaded by people like you, except for a little few that were thrown under close scrutiny before upload. I believe in theory backed up with practical.

Eveezy: So, the bone disorders u speak of does it make it a better guard dog? Or make it less? GSD I knw re naturally protective animals, bth the slant nd straight. No doubt sum modifications were made nd with what I can see frm d pics u uploaded, those re the german showline, the Germans still try to maintain the temperament of their dogs unlike the americans which re more calm. You can't say someone is a good security man when he has limitations like the slant bk they ve limitations as a result of their build u, I will still say this u can't make a slant back jump as much as a straight bk because there culd be allot of complications jst like the bone disorders u re aware of. A sickle cell person culd hav all d knowledge nd build up to be a bouncer bt its nt advicable because they ve limitations nd cnt be beta wen it cums to physicall activity same as the slant u cnt make a slant back do all the works of a straight bk if u rily care 4 d dog bt a straight bk will do all d work of a slant, so which is beta? The german working line ve a more high energy drive dan their showline wit a even tempperament, no doubt u knw allot abt dogs bt my only arguement is that in generalizing which of the two is beta for working purpose? No doubt they culd be bt good nd ve advantages bt to me nd to my level of knowledge abt gsd, the straight bk re a beta working dog dan any showline culd eva be,probably u may knw more dan I do, I ve no arguements abt it bt abeg wats the use of a paralysed man with good senses against a strongly built man in a wrestling match?

You have a point pal. I'll ask a question, no offense intended please. Have you ever walked a slantback GSD? Due to their build and physique, They have a "high-energy pull". Much of their weight is concentrated in their chest region, with the "push" coming in from the hind legs. I'll ask further questions...Ever been on a basketball team? If yes, ever wondered why ballers who have a higher jump power are those who can leap on their toes. Also, have you ever wondered why the army rejects people with a flat feet? Ever wondered why the best sprinters are those who run on toe tips? My point is this...The orientation of the limbs of the slantback makes them a better sprinter. In a way, they also have sharper reflexes, they are also more alert cos they seem to be on edge all the time unlike being in the "relaxed" physique. I've been breeding for a long while, bred several slants and straightbacks and I'm telling you this from my personal experiences. Being an animal behaviorist too, I was able to decipher all the puzzled questions that I ran across all thru my career with the canines. I still maintain that their only shortcoming is the bone disorders all of which can be managed if properly handled. It is not only the slantback GSDs that are liable to bone diseases, what about the likes of the neopolitan mastiff, bullmastiff and co? But that won't stop people from wanting to own them, and several drugs have been developed to control these defects.

chucky234: Oh my God, you are way dumber than I gave you credit for, where in the world did you get the feeling that I'm a breeder.
I'm a dog lover bro, owned my first dog in 1988 and have sinced owned various other dogs before you dream of getting your first bingo.
It may also interest you to know that GSD is not in the list of my favourite breed, there is no need for me to deceive anyone getting a GSD other than tell them the truth about the breed.
Caucasian, Pyrenee, Kuvazs, Kangal and Siberian Husky are my top 5.

You know what? Bowing to a dwarf doesn't make him any taller than you, it only shows how mature u are. I'll just pretend I didn't read all your post cos I gat no time for lowlifes and retards like you. I'll be ranked in your foolishness if I give replies to any subsequent post from you. I wish there was some ways NL can screen people's brains before allowing them post comments here. Emmyvet commented on my write-up, you had no better thing to say than to comment rubbish. Pls if you gat no sense to share, you better shut that trap of yours. If only you know better, i've been into breeding longer than I can remember, sure you were still a suckling then. I believe we should come together and learn, cos learning never ends. I'll stop at nothing to pick up every new idea I can gather on NL and that has helped me a lot in every spheres of life. If you don't wanna learn or add value to others, then get your senseless self off here.

That's not photoshopping. That dog looks more like a boerboel who wore a heavy makeup.

chucky234: lol that dude knows next to nothing about GSD, imagine him telling us that slant back are better guard dogs than the straight back GSD.

Hmmm, are you taking this personal? Learning never ends, and the moment you start learning, the better. I can see you are a high class novice. I'll just pretend like I didn't read your last post, kind of insultive don't u think? If you know so much, why not take us through this lecture then. That's one thing I hate about Nigerian breeders, they will refuse to accept the fact just because its not in their favour and they will go any length to mislead people just to increase their market share. Mr "know-all", if someone ws to dash you a slantback, no be say you go jump collect am? you don ever breed slantback ever in your life? I'm sure you breed top quality mongrel, you can prove me wrong and upload pictures of ur pet.

emmyvet: That's good sir!
But do you wonder why they are referred to as the show dog type and the straight guys are the working guys?
Read about the slant back GSDs history.

Nice Question...but I think you're the one who needs to do the research. Like I explained in my earlier post, modifications were made to the working bloodline of the straightbacks. This led to the origin of the slantbacks, whose attributes, capabilities and features were always shown off to people. Any breed that is modified could be be a showdog, that doesn't mean the modified breed is useless. The only reason most breeders in Nigeria criticize slantbacks is just because they wanna protect the Straightback market. They don't want the slants monopolizing the Nigerian dog market. I still stand my ground, the only reason I would choose the straightback over a slant is just because of the bone disorders, which could even be well managed in the hands of experts.

Eveezy: Boss abeg do ur research well, the gsd re of 2 types which is the showline and working line, the showline german shepherds have slant backs and are used for shows and the working line has straight back which are used 4 guard, herding, and so many oda puroses. And also to correct u, they dnt nd I dnt tink dey ve eva used a slant back in d crime force, do ur research well, any dogs that I ve known to be used in the crime force has always been the straight bk which is the original breed of the GSD founded by Max Von Stehanitz. The slant back was recently developed. What most pppeopple dnt knw is that even among dis two types of GSDs, there re still oda variations among those two, the working line re divided into two which is the German working line and the American working line, the german working line re more huge, stockier and heavy compared to the American working line. And also the showlines are also divide into two the German showline which has a roach bk as it slopes downward I.e there is a particular place dt forms a roach b4 it slopes downward, and finally the american showline which has a more steeper slope. I am going to attach a pics to differentiate btw d german showline and american showline. And lastly they are called showlines for a reason and nt working lines, a slantback shouldn't be allowed to jum as mush as a straight bk would, it kills dem slowly or what do u tink causes hips displasia? Leave the work for the straight back, anyone using his or her slant bk 4 security is stressing the dog, it was bred 4 its looks

I laugh in Spanish. My guy, what I just revealed is something I've confirmed practically, not some stuff I read up over the internet. Some write-ups might be misleading sometimes cos you might mis-quote or misunderstand the true intent of the write-up. I'll take time to lecture you on this. There's a whole lot of difference between a pet being a showdog and another being a working dog. The term "working dogs" doesn't necessarily mean the dogs are best in being guard dogs. It only means the dog is in his natural state which he was created to be, meaning it has the natural attributes of the particular breed standard. The straightbacks were coined working dogs cos they were used in herd and livestock protection in ancient times. As years rolled by, several questions prompted breeders to come up with modifications in breed standards. Modifications in the working and conformational line without any damage to the integrity of the breed quality. This led to the origination of the slantbacks. A pet being a "showdog" doesn't necessarily mean it was bred to prance around a show ring. It only means several modifications have been made to the breed standard, which might be in guard instincts, reflexes, poise, agility, aggression, etc. I cam go on all day explaining all these to you, but I wouldn't wanna bore you. I still insist that straightbacks are good in their respects but several modification has led people to choose slants over straights. Attached are pictures of the working slantbacks. So Please Mr. Eveezy, i'm no novice in this game, u need a lot of research to do, afterwhich you can come back and argue it out.

lastbornop: send me your email let me forward necessary details to you.

arcbay: Can you please forward me the details too. I'm a graduate of biochemistry currently working as a HR/admin officer. I sat for the august 2014 diet(cipm) and I currently need more medals to my name. Please advice on the courses to take.

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emmyvet: Lol I will go for the straight guys because they are better in security, and are the main working Guys but the slant are the show guys

I oppose you on that bro. There's this trend in Nigeria presently which I want us to look into. No doubt the straight back GSDs are good as guard dogs, slant backs too are extremely better as guard dogs cos of many added attributes. One of this attributes is the strength which their hind limbs possess. The reason for picking a slantback GSD over a straightback is the same reason the army will reject a new entrant with a flat foot. Hope you get my point. The slants have better and sharper reflexes, they leap and have a higher jump power than the straightbacks. Has anyone bothered to ask why they use slantback GSDs and dobbermanns for crime control in and outside the country, especially in the STATES? Their only shortcoming is that they're prone to several bone disorders such as hips dysplasia, developmental dislocation, panosteitis, degenerative myelopathy amongst other spinal and joint probs. I still remain a fan of the slantbacks, but that doesn't mean the straightbacks are left out. The straightbacks too have their advantages, they tend to have a higher life span, they have a higher productivity, they are very good working dogs, amongst several other attributes.

kuzee: have seen the pix of both parent,dnt have the right to upload it,the parent looks so pure so my liking..
podegee can yu plz upload them if you dnt mind

Don't base your judgments on just pictures. Nothing stops you from going over to check on the dam and sire at their kennel. If you really want the pup, then you should go pick him up in his home and don't wait for someone to send the pup over to you. A word is enough!!!

If I were to choose between the two, i'll take that of prodeegee. The pups are good no doubt but i'll strongly advice you ask to see the dam and sire, the parents I mean. That's just because pups tend to look good when they are young but their true and permanent features start showing as they grow older. Whatever the dam looks like is what the pup is gonna grow up to become, or having similar features with. If prodegee's price is fair enough, then go for his...

Thought as much. I knew a lot of ladies would comment on this as being romantic...why are most ladies after material stuff sef? I'm sure that lady would have turned down the proposal if the guy had proposed in a place of lesser class. If I hear!!! my own proposal go be for mama put joint, just to see the faithfulness and sincerity of my future iyawo. Miss Right, hope say you dey hear? No go fail the test o

lastbornop: send me your email let me forward necessary details to you.

Can you please forward me the details too. I'm a graduate of biochemistry currently working as a HR/admin officer. I sat for the august 2014 diet(cipm) and I currently need more medals to my name. Please advice on the courses to take.

Nah, Not strange at all...Just yesterday I met an agama lizard on my way to church. He had 2 heads, he carried a handbag and was on high heels...I tried to pull out my phone to snap but my battery was flat.

daik: Took the dog to a Vet clinic over the weekend.
the dog was given antibiotics injection and Deworming tablet.
The eating habit has improved but she still prefer home made food to the food.

This is probably due to the way and manner she was raised as a lil' pup. Your dog sure wasn't raised on a that diet. It will take a lot of patience and hard work to get her used to the dry food. You can used several tricks on her though, like soaking the dry food in milk, or dicing beef, chicken or whatever you think can attract her to the food. I once had a pup that was raised on rice and beef and after I bought her she refused switching to my preferred method of feeding. I had to soak the dry food in "meat water" and I also diced chicken in her meal each time I served her. It took me only a week to get her accustomed to my ways. Try all these, it will really help

I name my pets not until like 12weeks of age, when they must have shown one or more attributes or a particular unique feature.

*I used to have this female pitbull, I named her "savage" becos she used to act without remorse.

*I once had a boerboel pup which I named "loner" cos he came into life unaccompanied, meaning "na only him waka come". When I was expecting my dam to give me like 9pups as usual, na only "loner" I see. Mehn, I be wan cry that year.

*I had this dobbermann too which I named "monalisa" cos she had all the attributes of a high class societal lady, she's got bodice, carriage, character, etiquettes, confidence, she sure knows how to get all studs drooling. She used to be hotcake amongst her peers.

*I had this boerboel pup which I named "spike". I came up with this name because I concluded he has spikes attached to his paws like those mountain climbers. I woke up one morning and found this pup on the ironing board and I still cant understand how he got up there till today. Also on another occasion when I was all dressed up for work, I had polished my shoes some hours before and left it outside. I got outside only to find one shoe missing, after thorough search, I saw the shoe on my car, thoroughly mutilated. When I raised an alarm, all the dogs showed no expression except for spike who was peeping at me from a corner with his tails tugged between his legs. He started all these at 12weeks.

*Had this bulldog pup too that I named "dreamy" cos he was always sleeping. Dreamy would sleep for the better part of the day. He would wake up for just one thing, to eat!!! Dreamy would fall asleep even on a meal. I would get back to find Dreamy asleep with inside his food bowl. Dreamy would even fall asleep when u bath him...

*Had this Caucasian pup too that I named "Disney". She's a baboon-faced Caucasian pup and had a teddy bear's look. I remember a time when a friend came visiting and saw Disney lying in the living room. She actually thought Disney was a teddy bear and had carried and almost hugged Disney before she noticed it was a dog she carried. Meanwhile, this my friend used to be hater of dogs. I f you see the kind of force with which she ran that day ehn!!!

I can go on and on with this dogs story, i'll just stop here...In summary, circumstances propel me into naming my canines...

My Pleasure to introduce to you "Duchess", my 7weeks old Lhasa apso, she's a sparkling white adorable princess...I love her pieces

chydy111: Finally murphyD my 7weeks creamy white male GSD

Sorry bro...That's not a GSD...Not in any way close to one. No offense intended, just thought I should let you know...Probably the seller told u a lie to lure you into buying the pup...

Please check your pup's health...i'll advice you see his doctor, needs to be placed on antibiotics...The eye discharge could only mean one thing...probably a bacterial infection or the likes

naijabands: If you are on the lookout for the ultimate family protector, and guard dog, look no further. The BoerPit is a mix of two lovely dogs; the Boerboel and the Pitbull. We have bred out the paranoid nature of the pitbull, while leaving its stellar traits of dependability, tenacity (when needed), and its intelligence. We added these traits to the Boerboel's natural guardian dog nature, family loyalty and cool headed manner to get the BoerPit.

At 80k, you buy quality.

@TailLords has 'pedigree' readily available for sale, and provide canine behavior modification services.

Call us on 07054852768. Send an email to dejivet@yahoo.ca for pictures.

After all this write-up, no picture to show for it....Would be good you post pictures of your present pack...

maxtum: Ol Boy! why you dey drink Panadol for another person headache! chei!! Am not a breeder!! The dogs are my guard dogs and i own them! they are my very close pals.

Nobody should pay me any dime till you come to my house and see the puppies and parent! FYI.....your free to come see them (Eps the Shelia and Bella) wen go soon drop!.

Am done with you..ARCBAY OOOO!

Am on to the next one!! Come book from this A+ Blood line Dog lovers!!!!

Now you're talking!!! When you initially said interested buyers should contact your yahoomail, I bin think say na yahoomail you dey live....You also mentioned that i'm taking panadol for another person's illness, yea true, that's because I don't want you guys to turn NL into a scam venue...I prefer you drop your contact or something, interested buyers can contact you, you can then fix a date or something, they see the pup and hence payment...Who knows, I might even settle for one of your pups...The only thing that got me vexed in your thread was the idea that interested buyers shld contact your yahoomail, now that it's been thrashed out, I hands off...Good Day

maxtum: On to the next one!! I don't owe you no explanation on how i choose to disclose the price of the pups! Not really about the money, proof of any buyer willingness to take care of a dog!

So watch my space for more Pixs and moreover there names are Authur (Male Rot), Bella (Female Rot), Astro (Male Bullmastiff) and Shelia (Female Bullmastiff).

FYI, as long as you open any thread here on NL, you are under every obligation to disclose whatever info that deems fit...Though I have no admin rights in here, i'll never sit and watch anyone fall prey to scammers, this is not OLX for crying out loud!!! I've got no grudge against you, just want you to come out clean, that's all...I don't see any reason why a breeder would say he doesn't wanna disclose price, and would ask people to contact him via another medium...

maxtum: Indicate your interest and send a mail to jummy609@yahoo.com.

Guy, if you really wanna do business here on NL, do it right here in the open where your thread will be monitored. U don't need to lure anyone to any other media...You were asked to stipulate your price, all you could utter was that a mail shld be sent to you on yahoo...I seriously doubt your identity but i'll be happy you prove me wrong...

warrior01: Still available?

Sorry sold out the very day I posted the pictures...Expecting a new litter soon though.

iffydave: You are just talking balderdash, please what is your point??

Sure you're a learner, na so rotties dey be for una end? OMG!!! Breeding no be by force na, why must everyone try squeeze themselves into it?

Wow!!! I love this...I had the intention of starting up a thread like this for a long while now, this will create an avenue where animal behaviorists and pet trainers can share experiences, starters and newbies can also learn from them. I've always shared the belief that dogs do speak but it takes only a wise man to decipher the dog's true intent. You should give your pet all the attention he needs and try build a chemistry between you two, only then can you enjoy the values of breeding...I hereby implore all pet behaviorists and trainers to please share their past and present experiences here...As people say, learning never ends. CHEERS!!!

I don't know why I keep having this hunch that you ain't real...Anyway, holla when the bitch litters...

Bros...why not go take lessons from your ogas in the game before going into scam. Those pups are not in the slightest bit close to rotties...Anyway, keep it up...The long arm of the law will soon catch up with you!!!