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A man who is 90 is getting married with a woman of 60+ next week in my place.

Its their love life and should be respected if both want it

linearity:
How is she holy, when ALL have sinned and fall short of His righteousness?

You don’t see how that directly contradicts the Bible?

You mean say Jesus sin too abi?

Mtcheww

Dannymajor:
I keep telling their members that what they are practicing there is purely idolatry

Does Catholic faith affect you in any way? Like affect your hustling for daily bread?

If it doesn't, then mind your business and face front.

Focusmind:
Why has he not consecrated other African countries fighting wars and other disasters? He hardly comments on things happening in Africa or other developing countries. But once media attention is on something, Pope will comment. Venezuela that have been suffering US and EU sanctions for years have begged Pope to intervene but he has not done anything. Why Ukraine and Russia?

Oyibo people sef. Even as a catholic, I do question some actions of the church since coming to power of this current pope

For me, the last Pope of catholic church was Karol Wojtila aka Pope John Paul the second

I sure you no even read the prayer.

It says consecration of the world, especially Russia and Ukraine.

Hope you know what especially does in a sentence.

At10tion:
The Only lady you Catholics serve is Mary marguela, The Queen of the sea. Go and ask your pope. And stop being deceived.

No.

Its Mary Oladipupo.

Better go read bible even if you no be Christian

I once caught myself absent minded and deep into an imagination of me being a black superman and flying into boko Haram camp. I will just fly down towards them gently with a camera doing selfie video and chatting "aboki, yaya dei?", while they, of course, will be trembling and cocking their guns towards me and shooting. As the bullets no go enter, I'll just calmly tell them "una de waste una time oh", before I use super speed and round all of them up, bend their guns into handcuff and tie them to the floor, or better still lift them all up to one high pole and leave them hanging in the air shouting in fulani.

I'll fly to Abuja and tell presido to go and pack his people because the boko war done finish.


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What power did you wish you had? �

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a question of fairness since you have yet to infact explain what you mean when you say He is a savior. I know even pagans who claim that Jesus Christ is a savior but for then he is only one of many and serves as savior in particular situations. So, please no more one-liners... provide please provide clear explain of the doctrines and tradition of the Catholic church as far as the heading "Jesus Christ is the savior".

The Jews expect a political leader or messiah that will save the people of Israel (Jews) and restore them to their highest glory as a people above every other nation.

For we Christians the Messiah has already come. The core Christian belief is that, through the death and resurrection of Jesus, sinful humans can be reconciled to God and thereby are offered salvation and the promise of eternal life in heaven (not on earth).

I put not on earth in bracket because one of the greatest illness that protestantism has brought into Christianity is that salvation is proven here on earth, thus a good Christian should be blessed with cars, land, money. PROSPERITY! PROSPERITY! Yes... Prosperity preaching has taken heaven away from Christians idea of salvation and now they only look for it here on earth.

What we are looking for as Christians is eternal life in heaven even if we here on earth in poverty, persecution, oppression and victims of hatred.


Anyway, I've said more than enough of what is Christian salvation.

I know it's a waste of time going on and on with you, because you still won't answer my questions which I asked you first.

Kobojunkie:
How else am I to gain clear understanding into the meaning behind your claim. If you do not want me asking questions then stop giving me one-liners and tell me exactly why Jesus Christ is a savior to you and what that means.

Even the Pharisees claimed to believe in God, and in a Messiah, but they were far from Him in their understanding of who He is..

I understand... But its fair you answer me first since I asked you first.

Kobojunkie:
Here are some simple questions regarding your claim....What do you mean when you claim that Jesus Christ is your savior?

what is it that Jesus Christ came you save you from?
What is His offer of Salvation for or from?

Simple answer is death, which is the wage of sin.

But don't be Nigerian and answer questions with questions.

Still waiting to tell me why my faith that Jesus is the Saviour, is wrong.

Except you agree with me on this. And if you do, then your claim that All my faith is false, IS FALSE.

Again...
Why is Jesus not the Saviour?

Kobojunkie:
Why do you want me to point one out when I already declared that ALL of them are not according to God's New Covenant agreement and Law to individual men in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ?

Feel free to pick out any and we can address it.

Simple.

We believe that Jesus is the Saviour who died on the cross for our salvation.

I guess this is wrong. What's your reason why Jesus isn't the saviour?

Kobojunkie:
1. That is a lie and you know it. You have spent over 98% of this Herr conversation revealing this too.

2. Jesus Christ taught His followers that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. What Constantine and his many bishops did was create a false religion by adding their leaven akin to be compared with the leaven of the Pharisees - the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ Himself declared were all lies - to what the teachings of the Gospel.

3. From the above, what this means is that all of the doctrines and traditions of your church are rooted in lies and hence are not of God aka antiChrist - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

Still waiting for you to point out just one article of faith/doctrine that is a lie so that I educate you from the scriptures.
That shouldn't be hard since ALL our doctrines are false. Since all is false, I believe our doctrine that Jesus is the saviour is also false based on your assumption that everything we teach is wrong.

Kobojunkie:
1. I never said anything on the issue of Jesus being God or not, in this here conversation.

2. Flip the Bible? No, I have instead asked that you hold up that which is in fact written in scripture as given by Jesus Christ Himself above the doctrines and traditions of men(and their many churches).

Which is what we are all doing.

Let me take the assumption that you have not condemned the divinity of Jesus because that's the major topic of this post by op and I thought that was the reason you saying the Catholic Church is flawed, since the Catholic Church is chief in teaching the divinity of Jesus Christ and of the Holy Spirit.
I'll be ready to enlighten you biblically whenever you decide to point that the particular article of faith that is flawed in the Catholic Church

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid everyone who has access to scripture and is honest with his soul has access to the Truth of Jesus Christ. Fortunately, in all their doing and attempts at gathering power and control for themselves, much like the Pharisees and Sadducees before them, men and their churches couldn't and didn't change God's Law, just as Jesus Christ said they would not.

2. Jesus Christ was very clear that He alone is Teacher/Rabbi, Master/Head, Shepherd, Counselor, Helper, Provider etc., to each and everyone of those who belong to Him. He said His own Church He builds with His own hands - He never asked men to build churches or monuments in His name. So what sense is there to your churches when it is all set up against the one you all claim to be for?

3. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law in in Kingdom of God, didnt come for His followers to get a history lesson nor are the things of God to be understood only by those who claim to have history on their side. So, the Kingdom of God and God's Law belongs to all those who will heed the teachings of Jesus Christ and His commandments.... it is not given to a few but to all. No man or organization can hide or hoard it for themselves.

After all these your story and claims you still conclude by saying that Jesus is not God, not divine and not to be worshiped. You'll still say that the divinity of this Jesus (man) who you follow was invented by the Catholic Church and her cult.

Nna eh... You've to flip your Bible the other way, because it's clear you've been reading it upside down.

Kobojunkie:
1. What you said here is reason why God penalized His previous shepherds, demanding that in His New Covenant, He alone would teach those who really want to do what He wants by Himself- Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

2. Jesus Christ already stated that all those who teach the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches), lies, in place of what is God's Truth do so against Him and the Truth of God- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

3. What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

Also, as to the bishops who you claim succeeded apparently, their agenda was power and control hence the conflict that ensued.

4. What your bishops did in the 4th century had more to do with maintaining the legitimacy of their new found roles as rulers of the faith, than it did any of what Jesus Christ actually commanded of His followers.

Again, What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

5. But according to Jesus Christ Himself, what is sin is not fornication but instead the sexual lust in the hearts of men towards women who they aren't married to - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28.. Regardless of what your bishops and elders claim, what should be upheld are the teachings of Jesus Christ in all situations.

I don't subscribe to any of your churches - Catholic and its many offshoots combined.

6. I already stated that that is indeed the case. What is Christianity today is a complete departure from the teachings of Jesus Christ as written in scripture and that is antiChrist.

Yes, the false religion called Christianity today does indeed owe the Catholic Church its respects, in all its antiChristness.

And here you are... The most inspired one who alone owns the perfect truth of Christianity as Christ taught, and who alone is untouched from the age long decay in Christianity vectored by the Catholic Church.

You are like the 100 billionth person to think so, and a few of them end of opening their own church to spread that "truth" which only them own, and thus continues the spread of adulterated Christian faith.

Its just like adolescentes who hit 14 years old and suddenly think that their parents and elders got the whole world wrong, while seeing their adolescent mind as the most enlightened truth containing brain that exists.

Bizarre to think one knows better than an over 2000 year old church that has always taught 1 unhindered Christian faith.

Only time will tell.

superCleanworks:
wait! do people still feel happy when you beat someone on SCRABBLE GO in 2022? is that what you call beat?
with all your cheat apps and dictionaries open? and you even say it is awesome?

Well, what you said being true, that's one way to enjoy the game on the go when you can't have the board physically with you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Precisely! The teachings of the Catholic church has been flawed from its very beginning

2. The teachings of what is your Catholic church came into light after Constantine gave it his stamp of approval, so there it is mistaken to attempt to link its true beginning to the time of Jesus Christ and His apostles more than 300 years before Nicea.

3. It doesn't matter how long the church has maintained its accord with Nicea. The main issue here is Nicea, and Constantine were of men and so the doctrines and traditions of Catholic movement, and protestantism after it, are of men and not according to that established by Jesus Christ Himself.

4. If the Bishops were indeed following the same teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, then why was there the divide.... and why did Constantine have to come in to settle the dispute among th videos groups to begin with?

Jesus Christ sent all of His followers out to do one job and that job to to teach to those in the World the very same commandments He had Himself given them to live by. Instead, what the many bishops did was seek ways to control and rule over,against the very teachings of Jesus Christ, those they were sent out to teach God's New agreement to, and this ofcourse resulted in the feuds and quarrels over who as right and who was wrong.

You speak like you don't know social language and interpretation realities. Tell your 5 children same instruction and see if at least 2 won't get the instruction right and do something else. That's normal.

Even Saint Paul warned a lot against Christians who taught different things from what was handed from Christ.
"If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions. 1 Tim 6:3-4

Its normal that many would not understand some of the teachings, then they'll alter it and teach their ignorance with so much confidence.
That's why the early Church had the apostles to defend this faith from possible adulterations. The successions of the apostles who are the bishops continue to protect the faith from wrong teaching till this day.
That's why in the 4th century, when Arius began to spit shit about Jesus not being God but just human, it created a conflict and the bishops were called up to discuss on the issue. As defenders of the faith, they condemned Arius and reconfirmed an old apostolic teaching that Jesus is co-substantial with we he Father, making Him true God from true God. Years later they confirmed the same about the Holy Spirit, saying that with the Father and the Son, He (Holy Spirit) is adored and glorified.

So my chief.... Conflicts of interpretations and opinions are normal. What makes the strength of the church is the ability to come forward and condemn any ill teaching.

I don't know what church you attend, but if a member begins to teach that fornication isn't a sin (which some churches are already teaching oh), and people are agreeing, the elders of your church will come together and condemn such teaching immediately and spread the outcome to all.

If the Catholic Church is flawed as you said, then Christianity is flawed. Because Catholic Church is the first and only church whose founder is Jesus himself. That's why it's the first church. Others are found by men who said God commanded them.

You may talk all the rubbish you think about the Catholic Church, but all Christianity owes her big respect for protecting the faith from Jesus till today

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MaxInDHouse:
Please where is "TRINITY" written in the Bible?

Where is Nairaland written in the bible. Let's kuku find every word in the bible.

Trinity is just a word used to explain that there's is only 1 God but in 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Will you ask where Father, Son and Holy Spirit is in the bible too?

Kobojunkie:
The Catholic church happens to be the father of adulteration as far as the Christian faith is concerned. Most 98% of churches, what is referred to as the protestant movement, get their roots from the Catholic church which thanks to Constantine, was able to gain much of the power and control over the movement it has to this day.

If the Catholic Church is flawed in her doctrine then it means all Christianity is flawed, since the Catholic Church is the mother Church and first and existed unadulterated for over 1500 years before the first change of doctrine with the birth of protestantism.

That's a big if.

The teachings of the Catholic Church hasn't changed since the time of Christ and the apostles till date. The Catholic Church is so organised that not even an article of her faith can be altered. But in protestantism, due to lack of accountability by pastors, various churches or pastors can alter, create and teach their own pseudo faith saying God appeared and told them to say so.

You may not agree with many Catholic teachings like Trinity, Eucharist, sacraments, apostolic succession, use of images, veneration of the Mother of God, etc.... But the fact remains that what she teaches today has always been there since the apostolic era.

Thank God you all confirm that Constantine didn't create any faith. He was dull in faith. He only organised bishops to settle faith disputes and those disputes where settled by affirmed what had been in existence since the apostolic era and not a creation of a new faith.

@Tomakint

Its contradictory when you say Jesus is not God and not divine but you claim He has same substance with the Father.

Do you now the philosophical implication of having same substance? It simply means it is it: one and same thing. How can you say Jesus has the substance of God but isn't God?

Philippians 2:6 says clearly Jesus has the same form as God, but out of humility He didn't claim equality with God, something that He is and could easily boast about. Explains to you why He didn't go around telling everyone He's God.

The clearest biblical place that calls him God is John's gospel 1:1. How do you people ignore this biko?
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus was with God as you know him as the Father, but that Jesus was God too. Yet it doesn't make 2 gods but 1 same God in 3 persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). That's why in genesis creation the creator said "Let us make...". That's a call to not only 1 person but more than 1 involved in the creation.

How do you people call yourself Christians but the "Christ" that you follow isn't God? Must be depressing to know that.

Yet, at your churches you all scream "Oh Jesus, I worship you". You worship someone who isn't God? That's idolatry. You call on Jesus to forgive you your sins when it's only God who can forgive.

Men, I don't get you Christians again.

There's a reason the Catholic Church is the first and unadulterated Christian faith. Protestantism entered and adulterated it all and now they've got to the extent of denying that the God they worship and follow isn't God. Chai, devil de work oh.

Kenneth10110:
I don't see the reason Nigeria should go for WC because politics and the coach himself won't learn from the past. i see no reason Taiwo Awoniyi or Paul Onauchu should be in reserve then Sadie Umar been called up. This the same thing in WC when we need good changes he will start politics.

Could've reasoned with you but in this season (September till now), Onuachu and Awoniyi have been mediocre to poor in their teams. Maybe due to team performance, but they've been poor.

Sadiq frustrated must Nigerians by his laziness at the AFCON, but that boy is on fire in Spain this season. Scores every time. Any coach will choose a striker in hot form in Spain over mediocre ones. I'm sure the coach is just hoping that he finds form in Nigerian Jersey.

headSmasher:
Why would it be medicinal when your lord the god of Igbo Catholics, the pope claimed that gays and lesbians are children of God, that God loves them., Catholics and heretic adjuration

Wait... For you gays and lesbians are not children of God? They are children of who?
It's the kind of you that would have stoned that fornication woman they caught even if Jesus held her up as her daughter. He didn't come for just but for sinners.
Since you are just, leave Jesus alone for us sinners pls.

To meet Christ in His Word and in the Eucharist at Holy mass.

I don't go to church for priests, get friends or girlfriends, to show off, to get opportunity, etc

I just want to meet Christ and let Him into me. DASSOR

My own is that no Arab team should win this cup

juseng:
Does it have to be Unilag? A Nigerian University

With all his money, Why not one of those prestigious Universities outside the country?

It's going to take less time over there to get a degree, less or no stress and a few people to bother you.

Do other countries patronise his songs?
He makes millions in Nigeria. He must be in Nigeria so that he can escape and have quick weekend shows and work with advert agencies and maintain the money flow.

In their language Peru para means "peru stop it". Stooopppp

kenzysmith:
Anty when u go marry we done tire to wait

Her daughter is already married

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Never conclude after hearing one side. Until we hear the side of the man himself, e no suppose concern us

ahnie:
May every evil doer fall down and die.

Hope you know this prayer will affect you if God decides to answer it.
Every sinner is an evil doer

Chukwu Nna nyere obodo anyi ebere.

What does we did to deserving these, mgbe nile?

600 million Zimbabwean dollar maybe.

He's not getting nothing if we sack him