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After posting, as i was reading up d lines as is usually my style i had reason to congratulate Benz on the timing chain stuff(Benz timing chains last with the engine)..i have never had any reason to open my engine bay to change timing belt nor anything apart from modifying my old Benz for performances boost. I think Benz still remains the best machine ever-you have no reason to open your engine except you are a heavy abuser and practically i bought an abuse, very heavily abused c class about 2 &1/2 years ago but ever since i corrected all the element of abuses, this car hardly ever cough again, apart from the last recent element of abuse from the previous owner that prompted me to overhaul my gearbox in my garage to look inside to find that hail of thing that was always hooking my gear, and that was the gear sprocket that controlled gear 1 and 2. And ever since i found an older one from a scrap vboot gear box and replaced it there(cos they are precisely the same) at no cost, i never had the gear hooked again for me to have reason to go under the car again to have gear unhooked as usual.

oluwaseunla:
While I'm not really a Peugeot fan (save for the 406), this generalisation is completely false.

Funny thing is, there is a guy in my street that has been using the 607 since I knew him (like 4 years ago), as the only car, and generally, he has what I will term 'normal car issues'. Even that one is periodical. Admittedly, he maintains well, and he reads up on his car. I know you probably have seen peugeots giving their owners lots of issues, but did those owners ever found out the reason why?

I think truth is, most of us are too lazy to find out what we need to, to keep our vehicles running. Each car is peculiar, but with right handling, most cars will run as long as you wish them to.

You are correct guy.

The honest truth is that if you mess with the engine of these peugeot cars, you will need a loan to replace. Also, the only set back for me is the cost of their suspension systems, that's suppose to be wear items. And the fact that they all completely turn away from rear wheel drive to front shaft, aside that they are just ok.

When we were little kids, I will never forget my uncles 505 st and his 205 gti, no car , i repeat no car including the BM was a match to these rides on the highway, even volkswagen santana would struggle with these rides, anyways that's old glory. My dads double carb 504 modified 2.0 gr was not left out of the game and these cars were own by petrol head and were all back axle driven not to talk of the trans cameroun and desert dweller even till date , the almighty 504 wagon that transmutter uses to cross the roughest Cameroun Nigeria border even with loads, though such suspension systems are no more built in cars these days

Cyberknight:
When I said "does seem to be the result of deliberate intention, not omission", I meant that to be construed in line with what the Top Gear people were driving at (if you will permit the pun), i.e. that if a company like Peugeot which has a reputation for manufacturing good cars suddenly starts bringing out strings of cars with quality issues this cannot perhaps be put down to the occasional mistake, mucked-up design or QA/QC factory errors that plague all companies in all sectors. That was the thrust of their argument.

And as you pointed out, I don't take the views of the Top Gear chaps as gospel, those views are no more and no less than their own personal opinions. What I am saying is that in this instance I agree with them.

Just like i never agreed with top gear when they said that that sporty ass of Benz cla is ugly..I nearly would have slapped someone in the air ..that is just their personal opinion, good to say.

However, there's nothing wrong with the Peugeot 607. Its as good as any other car when well maintained and paid attention to. You dont need to earn a 7 digit salary to be able to own it. In my street one dude of a student owns it and he maintains it well.

All you need is to understand the technology behind her and keep in conformity to it that's all.

Rule number 1. Don't mess with the electricals, because each wire carries signals which terminate at the control unit , you musn't block nor bypass such signals flow and hope that all will be well..same thing in any other vehicle in that category.

Rule 2, you must keep the terminal ends of wires sockets and fuses clean, dont mess them with water or dirt else you dance the music.

Rule 3, do proper routine maintenance , use correct oil recommended for your gearbox and engines, then you will never have any headache. dont do short cut, its isnt a mazda 323 nor toyota muscle , kas kia

Ikenna351:
And Last time I checked, a Cub Peugeot 308 contested and beat Benz 600 S-class, last year, 2014. That explains a lot.

Ikenna

Let it contest with the light weight cla amg then you would tell a different story..S class are meant for big time luxury not contest ,who soever that took the boxy luxury S class to contest must have nutted out brain..Didn't he see the GT AMG or the sls..i tire oh. If you want contest go to the c's .. even the least of the c's, the entry point CLA 45AMG will kick da ass of the damn Peugeot 308, not even to talk of the c400 that will kiss her bye bye

Ahmed4002:
what's your interest U.s

Analysts say Chad and Niger are
not
just being the good neighbours the
Bible speaks of. They are motivated to
help Nigeria out of self-interest —
Chad and Niger depend on Nigerian
ports for their import and export trade. And
the northern areas of
Nigeria where Boko Haram has been
rampaging are next to their borders.

Then what does US want as they could not help when badly needed.. Is it now that the war is worn that they want to take the glory?

Just dream it , u'll have it

Gee2728:
Not long ago it was said the X6 is ugly and had no purpose.

But they still went ahead and produce the BMW GT(5 series and 3 series GT) in 2009 immediately after the X6 in 2008 which could be confused for the X6 at a distance, if not for the slightly lowered ground clearance.

Lets face fact, in my own opinion, the BMW x6 is a much more beautiful suv compared to the very ugly x5

.

Mercedes being a luxury brand has been fun of non-crampy 4door coupe , you can see that in my most desired cls 500 brand

WisdomFlakes:
You sound so dum.b and silly. Was ISIS operating within American borders? Are ISIS fighters American insurgents??

It would seem that GEJ's cluelessness is contagious and spreading to his supporters.

Have you read your statement? Does this make sense at all..little wonders the kind of idiotic and fish brains behind this daft Buhary's syndrome, agitating a change to hell

To start with, in your wildest imagination, how can a dumb person like Buhary rule a country like Nigeria with all her populous intellectuals and complexity..Is that all that APC can filed for presidential candidate to rule my OWN NATION, NIGERIA? Then you must be joking..in a country that has proven leaders like Peter Obi; Donald Duke etc etc . Is APC as a party so dump, or what are they up to? Fools open your eyes ..

Don't you see who rules United State; Great Britain; South Africa and so on and so forth..To hell with you and ridiculous Buhary ruling my country, this man can't feature in this century as a leader anywhere in the world talkless of a country like ours, so open your eyes fools..Have you not learnt from the chain of our dump pass presidents where they have landed us, a country that had so much resources?

Ikenna351:
..I am a Nigerian and I own a Peugeot 607 and a V6 one for that matter and "I LOVE" the lion so dearly, just like my other V6 Lions. So perfect!

...
Ikenna

I knew it , so you got it finally? congrats.I'm so happy you did. I have been seeing this 607 in my neighbourhood, each time i drove pass it, my mind went straight to you, ..have just been wondering if only Ikenna had this ride.. Mehn! throw some pictures na make we feed our eyes. Congrats once again. How i wish i could have an MB c350/400 or cls 500

ARKdiscloser7:
What the hell is the effect of his endorsement?
A man that had every opportunity to reorganize this country positively after a long period of military rule.
All he did with his dull brain was to drag Nigeria back by 10 years.
For 8 yrs of his rule, corruption was at its peak.
Impunity
embezzlement
electoral fraud
darkness
fuel scarcity
impeachment both governors and legislature
etc...

and now some party say his endorsement is supreme.
what a country!
There was country!!

..Including total power failure despite billions voted into it only to disappear into thin air and could not be accounted for . Total wreckage of the Michellin, Dunlop and hundreds of auxilliary industries that provided jobs to thousands of Nigerians, all wrecked due to one man's dull unsavvy brain.

And yet , Morons are talking about His endorsement: Endorsement to another ship wreckage. God help Nigeria from all these myriads...

nurey:
when you find this cars on your street or neighborhood, respect them, they may not pack the highest horse power but they ain't no slouch when its time to give you a run for your money. And most importantly, never under estimate their driver-ability and handling and for those of you who own one, you get mouth and those yet to own, God will provide .

1. BMW E39 540I is part of the brand's long-lived 5 Series lineup. Produced between 1995 and 2003, this often forgotten model featured a nearly 300-hp, 4.4-liter V-8 and a lightweight aluminum suspension. When paired with the M Sport package, it was a great alternative to the higher-priced, less fuel-efficient M5 of the time. i have always under estimate this ride because i thought it was just a chunky piece of metal.

2. CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
The fifth-generation Corvette Z06 didn't carry as much under the hood as today's 650-hp model, but it did feature major improvements when compared to its predecessor. Its 5.7-liter small-block V-8 engine packed 405 hp, up 55 ponies from the previous year, and it still managed to return decent fuel economy. Excellent cornering and a sonorous exhaust note sealed the deal. i already know how good this car is especially if you are a game freak (NEED4SPEED series).

3.CHRYSLER 300 SRT8
A sleeper sedan if there ever there was one, the Chrysler 300 SRT8 is much faster than it looks. Its 6.4-liter V-8 produced a total of 470 hp, and it's capable of hitting 60 mph in 4.3 seconds. This performance is complemented by a comfortable, spacious, and luxurious cabin. for we car enthusiast we know what the HEMI stamped variant can also do.

4.CHEVROLET SS
The Chevy SS looks like a Malibu but screams like a 'Vette. And that is no surprise, considering the SS has a Corvette-derived 6.2-liter V-8 engine capable of delivering 415 horsepower under the hood. Despite its nearly 4,000-pound body, the SS manages to hit 60 mph in around 4.5 seconds. A new six-speed manual transmission should increase its legitimacy as a top sports car in its segment.

5.DODGE CHALLENGER SXT
Everyone might want the 707-horsepower Challenger Hellcat, but when it comes down to numbers, most buyers will end up opting for the V-6 model. Even the base SXT model holds its own on the track thanks to the smooth-shifting eight-speed automatic transmission, which is paired with the 3.6-liter V-6 engine good for 305 horsepower. Fuel economy hits 30 mpg on the highway, making it a practical choice for everyday drivers. when i saw this car on road, whoa it may be a sports car but it freakingly huge just stay clear of its path.

6. 2005-2010 FORD MUSTANG
When examining the Mustang's rich 50-year history, enthusiasts often overlook the start of the fifth generation. Ford took a bold risk on the 2005 Mustang, deviating almost completely from the previous generation with its modern shape and mostly reworked chassis. (It took one more redesign in 2015 to get independent rear suspension.) Along with a boost in performance, this Mustang also featured improved ergonomics and higher quality interior materials. i love the middle brake light which screams mustang when on.

7.HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE
The Genesis Coupe may not offer a V-8 like the sedan variant, but it brings hearty V-6 acceleration and excellent handling. R-Spec and Ultimate versions of this model come with larger brakes and a track-tuned suspension.

8. LEXUS GS
Although not a bona fide sports car, the GS's engaging ride could have fooled us for a second. Available with an F Sport package, the GS can hit 60 seconds in just 5.5 seconds thanks to its powerful 306-hp, 3.5-liter V-6 engine. The true sports car -- the GS F is on its way and will bring 467 horses when it arrives.

9. MAZDA MX-5 MIATA
Although it doesn't match the competition in terms of horsepower, the Miata stands out for its superior handling characteristics. It also has one of the best manual transmissions you can find anywhere. Interest in it has faded a bit as its design has grown long in the tooth. Expect even better performance for the 2016 model year, when the storied Miata receives a stiffer chassis, a revised suspension, and a lighter, fully redesigned body.

10. MAZDA RX-7
The 1967 Mazda Cosmo Sport officially introduced the world to the first production rotary engine, but it was the RX-7's rotary that later made a big impression on the industry. The car's sprightly acceleration, road-hugging drive experience, and excellent throttle response captured the hearts of enthusiasts. Rumors persist to this day that Mazda is looking for a way to bring back the RX-7 -- along with its rotary engine.

11.TOYOTA CELICA
This affordable sports car provides excellent steering and a balanced ride. Despite its long legacy dating back to 1970, it is often overlooked when compared to the Ford Mustang, Mitsubishi Eclipse, or even Toyota's own Supra.

12.TESLA ROADSTER
Tesla's biggest success story is the Model S sedan, but there is no doubt that the Roadster -- the company's first all-electric car -- also played a large role in shaping the company. In standard guise, the Roadster packed just 248 horsepower but could hit 60 mph in under 4 seconds, Tesla claimed. Drivers could travel up to 227 miles without having to recharge, but this number will increase to 400 miles thanks to a new upgrade available on the car starting this year.

13. PORSCHE PANAMERA TURBO S
Many deride the Panamera for its odd looks, preferring the shapely 911. But the Panamera Turbo S brings drivers the ultimate mix of performance and comfort. Along with its smooth ride, this posh family hatch offers 570 horsepower from a 4.8-liter V-8 engine. But expect to pay to the tooth a sum of $180,000 (do the maths to naira) to own this baby.

14. SATURN ION REDLINE
The ill-fated Saturn brand had its ups and downs, but it also had a solid sports car. The Ion Redline featured a 205-hp, 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine that distinguished it significantly from the Ion's standard 145-hp, 2.2-liter offering. That extra boost in horsepower was just enough to get a driver's blood pumping. imagine who ever thought a saturn will be this fast nawa ooh.

15. VOLKSWAGEN GOLF R
This inconspicuous hatchback is more than you might expect from the outside. The first hint of its capabilities comes from the loud roar of its engine. Thanks to its precise steering, plentiful acceleration, and grippy feel, it can take on flashier competitors such as the WRX STI despite its relatively meager 290 horsepower.

You forgot Nissan 350z, Benz cls500, and Benz CLA AMG with BMW M235i

eniyanpataki:
Thanks a million. My mechanic has been able to find away round shifting the gear. When i get home i 'll park the car and get the atf flushed tomorrow and filled with proper atf. I also learnt i need to replace the brake switch

He shouldn't have even manipulated nor force the gear to shift yet, not untill after you would have flushed the wrong atf and replace with the right one; who knows if the gear would have just been ok on its own , but now , i can only wish you goodluck.

eniyanpataki:
Thanks all. There is a new development now. I noticed that just when i was about parking the car this morning in the office (i drove all the way from ogudu to the island), the work 'BRAKE" came up the dashboard, I parked and switched on the engine again, the gear selector refused to shift from P to any other place. I left the car for about 2 hours then went again, still the gear selector was stiff and wont move and on the dash board i have "ABS BRAKE". Experts in the house please help ! I also found out that the arm brake pedal (which i havent paid any notice to had been up all this while).

Your issues are very clear, you have been dragging this car along with your handbrake on active position..You never can tell the extend of damage that could have occurred.

Secondly, your gear will overwork at this juncture and besides that, holt isn't your recommended atf fluid, it will overheat at such driving condition while exposing your transmission to danger as it create an unnecessary, unwanted friction in your transmission internal mechanism, hence overworking it especially in harsh driving conditions such as hold ups.

Do first thing first:
1. flush your holt atf and replace with original auto transmission fluid for your car, perhabs your car could return back to normal.If it doesn't, you may have to meet your car specialist and have it scan to know what actually you are dealing with and to ascertain the extent of damage done to it for proper fixing.

2. Make sure too that in future you use the recommended engine oil viscosity for your car , as your oil weight at the moment is too heavy for that car ,hence cannot travel through the tiniest crevixes of your crankcase area. This will only create unnecessary tremendous friction within your engine components, and will reduce the lifespan of that engine. Though this may be unrelated to the issue at stake at the moment.

lomomike:
And it does the acceleration quite quicker than when you'll upshift to the 4th gear.

Yes it does, except i really want to economize fuel do i quickly interrupt wth the 4th gear to get there.

Usually, while driving with economy at the back of my mind , i simply let the car accelerate effortlessly(just rolling) as quickly as possible while accelerating/decelerating the gears in ascending/descending order at silent whisper, with minimal breaking and would always like to remain at the highest possible gear that does not give any form of load on the engine. Just crusing.

But if i'm out for adventure and fun drive, just enjoying myself , the reverse is the case, gear 3 is usually my weapon , both in downshifting and power take off to the highest possible km/h after taking turn from gear 2 at the best possible rpm.

Mine happened in an inter state highway in the midnight during when i use to throw caution to air in those days when i just bought the car newly with some hard to diagnose issues(specifically, it was a fuel sending unit and a cam shaft position sensor) i couldn't just know how to handle on time.

I had just travelled from Port Harcourt to Calabar, then embarked on another journey from Calabar to Esit Eket in Akwa Ibom state; and decided to return home to Calabar that late night around 10.30 pm so that i could return back to Esit Eket the next day( a distance of about 270 km) with some people for an event. I had passed Calabar Itu road where my car suddenly off on the highway, in the midnight, about 12am.

Mehn! it wasn't funny at all, because i tried all i could for the car to start up but to no avail until my battery went flat. I couldn't even find fuel to buy to fill up to the brim whether i could get luck for the motto to startup. Finally i had to push the car to one side and entered the bush to hide away from an unforeseen armed robbers.

In the morning i finally went to buy fuel and was able to refill with a 20 litre to the brim with a rented battery, voila , the car started up, one hand i landed it home at Calabar and gave thanks to my God for sparing my life that night.

Kashif:
What year is your Highlander? If it is 2007 or earlier, it is no match for a 2006-2012 Rav4 V6. Even if its 2008 or later, Those Ravs are faster because they havehave lighter bodies. It is a 269hp vs 215hp, or lower, depending on the year. The pikin wet say him papa barn na the biggest never see another one.

Talking about 160mph, any sound car with 200mph on its speedo can do that. We are talking of acceleration.

In 2007, Toyota made a giant stride in her Camry platform, at such made a major breakthrough in her camry sedan for once in performances, electronics and handling. This is the same platform upon which the 2007 highlander and above is built on, so you do not expect anything less except for the boxy and a little more heavier weight of the highlander compared to the Camry sedan but not too good economy compared to the lighter Rav4.

Check out the new 2016 Mercedes-AMG GLE63 S Coupe - 2015 Detroit Auto Show

5.5 liter biturbo V8 engine
577 horsepower with 561 lb-ft of torque
AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC transmission,
0 to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds.
You can actually call it a replica of the BMW X6 cross over(SUV) coupe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgiwszlIZV8

Can we say this is to satisfy MB fans who have been eyeing the BMW x6? Therefore now, the MB lovers instead of going for the x6 will now go for the GLE63 S coupe.

What can you say about the new 2016 Mercedes-AMG GLE63 s coupe?

Published on Jan 15, 2015
Along with the new 2016 Mercedes-Benz GLE Coupe, Mercedes-AMG brought along the new GLE63 S Coupe 4 Matic. Power for the 2016 Mercedes-AMG GLE63 S Coupe 4Matic comes from a 5.5 liter biturbo V8 engine making 577 horsepower and 561 lb-ft of torque. Mated to a AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC transmission, 0 to 60 mph comes in just 4.2 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgiwszlIZV8

Nice one . Thanks for the info

Is this list exhausted?

yungboss:
thanks bro,
I bled the system when I got home after it happened, I first allowed it cool off...
I continually streamed water into it, allowed the bubbles go off from the bleed hole. I did as required by BMW, just as how you stated but temperature goes above normal after a lengthy drive, hence my conclusion.
there's no leak in the radiator, the thermostat housing I had changed long before now from plastic to after-market aluminum, I suspect the thermostat or the H²0 pump...besides, the car doesn't run short of coolant. Its still at the required mark.

If you check your water pump and it spins freely with no lateral motion or kind of grinding noises then the culprit is your thermostat. You could equally confirm it by removing to test too before embarking to buy a new one to replace it if you haven't done so already. Good luck

yungboss:
..
BMWs no doubt have a temperamental cooling system, I'm due to replace something in the cooling system of my e36, either the Thermos or the water pump...i experienced a little trouble yesterday as the temperature needle traveled eastwards on the gauge, I kept my speed below 60km/h from NTA Road to Trans Amadi. Though I still drove it around, used it to work today...my mechanic would look it up tomorrow.
it's actually different strokes for different folks.

Folks do manage this temperamental cooling system with huge success. Before you finally meet your mechanic try bleeding your cooling system first of all and observe it for a while, you may have some dirt or blockade or trap air in there.This bleeding thing usually works for most folks: Procedure is as follows:
Start with the engine cold and Remove the small black bleed screw from the elbow that connects to the expansion tank.

Remove the coolant filler cap

Turn the ignition on but do not start the engine

Turn the climate control to the highest temperature and put the fan on the lowest setting

Slowly pour coolant into the expansion tank until coolant runs out of the bleed screw hole

keep pouring coolant until you no longer see any air bubbles in the coolant coming out of the bleed screw hole

Replace the bleed screw and check the coolant level in the expansion tank

Replace the expansion tank cap and start your car while allowing it idle to normal operating temperature and make sure it doesn't rise above 12

Else off the car and start the process all over again after the car must have cool off before taking it out for test drive. good luck


If this did not work out your mech can then check the following before commencing the process all over again:

Your thermostat to make sure it works properly

Your water pump to make sure it spins freely with no lateral motion or grinding noises

Your air hoses to be sure they are in good shape, no bulging nor cracking at the connections

Your expansion tank/radiator should be check for small crack that could cause leaking

Your expansion tank cap to be sure its not letting pressure escape

It cant exceed these list for your BMW. I like saving bucks on maintenance, you could DIY these if you chose to . I did it once for my w202, tho not exactly as in BMW as indicated here, but the same procedure all the way.

yungboss:
hmmm, BMWs electrical issues? Haha, that's a serious allegation that i can't verify. Been to BMW workshops severally and what you said is quite strange to me. Electrical issues are not a regular failure occurrence in BMWs...i expected to read something like water pump failure, radiator leaks because of plastics used in constructing the cooling system etc...
electrical issues are there but to say to get grounded out of unresolved electrical wahala is a bit exaggerated.
i too love Mercedes, but i used one in the past, and i quickly sold it...i changed so many parts from alternator and still had issues like the instrument cluster lights refusing to go off when the engine is turned off etc...i minimized the issues to the barest before selling and i knew what i went through.
no arguments, I only stated my observation...

Yungboss, if u bought a car from Nigeria as fairly use, expect the worst. My friend recently bought what I should call a clean(on the surface) Toyota camry 2004 model aka big daddy(Nigerian Use) I know what we pass through to get it just to function fairly, how much more a 20 year old Benz , such a high end vehicle from no maintenance culture Nigerian
I read the stuff behind your benz, not as if it was underpowered as you stated, but the previous owner has already sapped all the useful life out of it without returning any useful maintenance to it prior to your purchase, it happened to me too..Your car in question had lost almost 50% of her power before you bought it initially, you really would have needed a lot of magic to restore such loses just like I did in mine.

Very few Nigerians aside you and I do maintain vehicle the proper way. If I told you that my said benz w202 now boost more than any direct Belgium vehicle, its an understatement-but that is why I’m able to travel with it often, a like today I’m in Calabar for the Christmas yuletide(a distance of 257 km) and would soon move to AKS to Ibene Beach for same reason with same Benz and would return back to Calabar same day and to PH finally when I’m done with the yuletide without her conceiving any headache(we are talking about distance totalling more than 1000km here within a week without replacing a single bolt nor breakpad nor got top burnt..

Yes its no news about substandard plastics within BMW components, that’s why some patrol head diversify into superior after market plastic components, but that is not an issue to me per ser, as over here these are cheap fixes

So lovely

yungboss:
it's still obvious that the failure rate is quite high, regardless of whether technical assistance is generous on site. I'm not saying that it must attain military specification but i have read alot about myriad niggles especially in the w203s... My BMWs have been reliable, 2002 330ci (m54 3.0 transplant), and the old horse, 320i 1993. The latter has been driven extensively, that M50 engine is tough i must testify.
you live in Port Harcourt, and im sure you do see the old e30s and e21s running the streets as cabs...
I'm 100% sure BMWs are not as that which you referred, if they park them it means that the owners love their cars and immortalize them, rather than sell. I saw a stretched 1968 Mercedes sometime ago, i approached the seller and he refused to talk about naira/kobo, the owner is a Benz aficionado...i saw number of them, stretched w124, w123 and the 2003 e-class. They were just 'not for sale'.
(...waiting for angels09 to strike)...

Your assertion with the w203 failure rate may not be far fetch , but most of the disorderly is as a result of negligence and carelessness, sometimes flood do play a vital role here, and in some cases non conformity to the myriads of rules governing such sophistications and high precision machine needs to be adhered to. You mustn’t use the wrong grade oil on the transmission; you mustn’t by pass wiring and obstruct free flow of electrical signals because they have a control unit that takes care of their readings and regulations. Specific chips are implant in the CU to coordinates and regulates the activities of components which one must not interfere with.

Aside these, common things like maf failures which is predominance in all modern vehicle that dares a bit of such level of sophistication cannot be avoided; even Toyota camry from 2004 have serious reoccurrence maf issues, talkless of the 2007 aka “spider “ that made a complete stride in sophistication, but not without recorded mass failure of electrical component ranging from fuel sending units, steering racks,instrument clusters and all manners of sensors, engine issues etc etc etc and they are far costlier to fix than the BENZs ..So any manufacturer who dares to bite such sophistication must encounter these level of failures..you just need to understand it and handle as required –It is even worst with the BMWs whose issues atimes cannot even be diagnosed and if they are eventually addressed, they must have undergone months of nightmare of surgical transplant at very expensive service centres with either partial or totall swapping of almost every component that has any relationship with the case at stake, just to solve a simple problem. I’m not just making these up , but I have witness a lot of them and wondered whether if one should drive BM one should not do any other thing again with money than fixing them.. One of the serious reasons that keeps me very far at par considering a BMW as my ride because I don’t like to spend money on cars, I run them all year round with cheapest possible but effective maintenance cost. If I cannot DIY my car, and run them at almost zero maintenance cost then there’s no need considering it my ride. But BMW guys would always painfully tell you that such spending Is worth it.

I have nothing against BMWs I love them as a ride and would have love to own them too but for their often embarrassing electricals and very high maintenance cost.

To be frank , how many Benz do you see parked to decay in any compound no matter the year of manufacture nor model? but you cant say same with the BMWs etc

yungboss:
too many issues my brother,
I am forced to stand aloof

Yes any viable car forum is meant to solve issues, that shows that the issues on such cars are understood and can be handled as well(even when such issues arose from owners negligence,careless handling and lack of knowledge) .The more sophisticated they are, the more issues they are bound to get if mishandled.. Indeed the knowledge has to be broadcast to all concerned; unlike some brand whose issues are never known nor could neither be handled by owners neither the manufacturers, hence you see them parked to decay at every compound

So which is better?

I do drive my BENZs a whole year plus without visiting any mechanic nor spare parts dealer.

Gee2728:
A.u hanson, pls need ur number duty calls urgently. Tnx

Oh sorry Gee i saw this late. All the same, thank God we've spoken at length already.