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nwando: They are not the same
Different personalities
Different attributes
Different outlook
Different promises
Different demands on the followers
Divergently different

There is no similarity whatsoever

Can u tell us different btw God, Jesus and Holyghost

nwando: ROFL
That is the nature of their belief
They tell you the BIble is corrupted and when it suits them they find Allah and Mohammed in the same corrupted texts

Can you call ur bible holy?

EasternLeopard: According to Christian teachings any other religion including Islam, belongs to Man/Satan.

According to ISLAM any any other religion will not be accepted by God. Pls tell me where jesus said if u do christianity u will enter heaven?

Lilimax: They would not want their people to see the light.
@ ADANRI-a bukwa m nwanne gi nwayi- onye Nri.

Which light, from where or from ur corrupted bible.
I don't think so

ayusco: @safarigirl this is not about showing love to a fellow man or what not its about keeeping the house of God sacred. Islam does not recognise the divinity of Christ so is it not illogical or awkward at best to worship in a place dedicated to praying and worshiping someone u Don't believe in? Plus as much as are lord n savior preached love he didn't tolerate the house of God being desecrated when he chased the merchants out of the temple. The preist could easily have taking them to his apartment instead of the church. Again I think as catholic priest his aim should be to lead them to Christ.

Islam recognised jesus as messenger of God and anything contrary to that is falsehood, fabricated and unaccepted by we muslim. If u have any proof bring it and I will bring my own

black male: Why do you guys try so hard comparing koran and the Bible,does it make u feel feel better about ur religion...can oil and water ever mix,can light and darkness co-exist. The devil made a hard work at counterfeiting the Bible already to keep u perpetually in ur darkness awaiting ur final damnation...

Can u proof to us that ur bible is holy n bring ur proof if u are truthful

farem: THE QURAN'S CONCEPT OF GOD REVOLVES ROUND THE TEACHING TAUGHT MOHAMMED BY HERETIC SECTS CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS IN THE 6TH CENTURY, THIS MOHAMMED THOUGHT WAS THE CONCEPT OF BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY.
IN FACT FOR THOSE WHO ARGUE AGAINST THE DOCTRINE OF TRINITY, MUHAMMAD UNDERSTOOD TRINITY TO INCLUDE GOD, JESUS AND MARY! (Surah 5:116,117)
so the man heard a lot of heresy compiled into what is taunted to be from-God book

You are a liar, u are looking for proof from Quran to back ur man made religion, never islam will never support fabricated and corrupted religion

Quran 5:116-117: And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.” (Surah 5:116-117)

Please where did you see ur own verses, am sure u are still among people who believe in trinity. Pls bring ur proof from corrupted bibile and I will bring my proof for contradiction in ur bible too

black male: Yeah...that explains why we are not serving the same GOD, You worship allah,i worship Jesus,how is that the same

Bring ur proof where jesus said you shud worship him? I believe you will not proof it

hotwax: Yes , here is my prove

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.


Should I continue?

The only problem you christian has is that you people don't understand Arabic. Alhamdulilah for islam for protecting the original Quran unlike bible that has corrupted.
All the war in Quran refers to those unbelivers in mecca in lifetime of the prophet;
Verse 2:244 is informing us not to transgress limits and Allah “hears and knows all”, also fight in God’s cause which could be in reference to several things including liberation of the oppressed, meaning the helpless men and women who are yearning and praying for freedom as well as striving for all that which is good as well as doing Dawah in an appropriate manner. This does NOT refer to fighting and killing innocents. As Quran says:

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Quran 2:190

Q3:151:Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (Did it mention to kill innocent people)

Q2:216 -218;The context of these verses refers to an expedition of a group of the companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), under the lead of Abdullah bin Jahsh Asadi. The companions recognized a caravan from the Quraysh. Since the Quraysh had openly declared war on the Muslims and had persecuted them to the extent that they drove them out of their homes, and stole their property, the companions present, felt that they could retaliate. They killed one man of from the caravan, and took two as prisoners. When they returned to Madinah, the Prophet Muhammad disapproved of their attack during the Holy Month. But God revealed this verse as a reminder to the Muslims that while killing in the Holy Month was bad, persecution and expelling people from their homes because of their faith is far worse. So the verses make it very clear that in the face of the terrorist attacks of the polytheists, the Muslims should be brave and steadfast and turn to God for help rather than giving in and leaving the truth.


Explain these verses to me

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7:
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God

Numbers
Chapter 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves ( almost all the Nigerian lady will be kill)

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Kings 20:35-36
 Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.
 
What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
 "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."
 
Another massacare.

eremiah 51:20-26
 "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
Another massacre, same old story.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property
 
So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible

EagleNest: Can a christian be allowed to pray in a mosque? That will be a sacrilege and fatwah could be declared.

Tell me with proof how jesus worship God and how christian of nowadays worship God?

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dipotech: God is light and God is love, I pray He will open the hearts of your understanding soon.

Saul now Paul did much more than any of you as in criticism but He was forgiven and saved through grace.

The scripture say a fool says in his heart there is no God.

You still mention when the teaching of paul contradict jesus teaching. Pls go through this and judge by urself:
Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


Salvation
According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.
According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)
Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of G-d and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?


Eating meat sacrificed to idols
It’s okay to do so according to Paul (1 Corinthians 8 ).  But Jesus condemns the act, as well as those who teach folk to do so (Revelation 2:14, 20).
I've heard some try to resolve this by saying Jesus taught old covenant law because he lived under the law, but after his death and resurrection we are now under the new covenant.  If that's true, and he knew it would be true (and he should have known if he is G-d, right?) then why did he never mention this?  Why didn't he say to the young man, "For now, obey the commandments, but after I'm raised from the dead, keep your fortune and don't worry about the commandments, because you won't be required to keep them."?  He never said this to anyone, nor anything like this, not once in the three and one-half years he spent preaching, by both sermon and example, to live the Law given through Moses.


On the time of the coming of the Lord:
Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.
Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' [/b]Do not go after them.


[b]On the God of the dead:
Paul says:
Rom.14
[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:
Luke.20
[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;


On the sum of the commandments:
Paul says:
Rom.13
[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, [/b]are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:
Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these[b] two commandments [/b]depend all the law and the prophets.


[b]On forgiveness of trespasses:
Paul says:
Eph.1
[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Rom.4
[25] who was[b] put to death [/b]for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus says:
Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


On being justified:
Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are[b] justified by his grace [/b]as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith [/b]apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now[b] justified by his blood, [/b]much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.



[b]On the basis of judgment:
Paul says:
Rom.2
[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

Jesus says:
John.12
[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.


On the commandments and eternal life:                    
Paul says:
Rom.7
[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;
[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

Jesus says:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


On the destiny of the Law and the Prophets:
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished

Do We Follow or Not Follow The Laws?

Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";

Fadenitan: For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son(JESUS),that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world,but that the world through him might be saved.He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God(Jesus). And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world,and men loved darkness rather than light,because their deeds were evil. John: 3:16-19. And my people perish because they lack basic knowledge.You shall not perish.

THE BIG PROBLEM OF CONTRADICTION AND EVIDENCE OF INTERPOLATION!

Aside from the fact that Mark 16:15-17 contradicts the three verses in Matthew which explicitly confirm that Jesus was only sent to/for the Jews,there is also the problem of interpolation or fabrication in Mark Chapter 16.

In all bibles you can think of and check by yourself,Mark Chapter 16 ends at verse no.8. Verses 9-20 are not found in all bibles.verses 9-20 are relegated to a footnote because of lack of "authenticity" for it to be part of the "gospel".here is the reason from the "horse's mouth" that the bible authors themselves give:

Bible versions relegated verses 9-20 of Mark Chapter 16 to a footnote.then they give the reason why:

“The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9–20”
http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/16.htm

mitchyy: If you are not an atheist or freethinker then shussh it! You believe in hellfire but don't believe in Jesus. I smell confusion

Instead you to defend those allegation concerning ur religion and clarify it, but just come here saying rubbish. Dogmatism, brainwashed

ifeness: At the end of the day,there is no proof the bible God exists

NO PROOF TO DEFEND THEIR god jesus, They were disapointed abt their religion.

IF I WERE YOU CHRISTIAN I WILL COMMIT SUICIDE FOR EXPOSING MY FALSE AND MAN MADE RELIGION

Please I challenge all christian in this forum to come and defend all those verses we mentioned in this trend from beginning if u can?
I believe you people wouldn't be able to do so because they have brainshed you to the essence that you people don't know different btw true and false, morning and night, light and dark you people better seek for God religion than wasting ur life following jesus. jesus that was never save himself from those who killed him talkeless of saving u from hellfire. If u continue with man made and false religion ur end will be hellfire.

3 quarters of the books of the new testament were written by Paul,a fake prophet!!!!look at paul’s contradictory words:
ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD[/B]

[b]2 Timothy 3:16
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

According to the same Paul,not all scripture is from God.Some are personal contributions:

1 Corinthians 7:6
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Does God give man the permission to make false prophecies and utter commands contrary to His will?

1 Corinthians 7:12
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Did Paul ask the Lord about the above issue? Or does the Lord compromise with His law? or is Paul allowed to go contrary to what the Lord says and issue wrong opinions and not facts obligatory to abide by?

FALSE PROPHECIES ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS:

Mark 16:16-20
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

According to the above,anyone who “believes” can do the following:
1.) Drive out demons
2.) Speak in tongues
3.) Pick up snakes with their hands
4.) Drink poison and will not get hurt
5.) Heal people

Ok.we’ve heard people claim so many things,but i have not seen #3 and #4 nor have anyone who “believe” claimed that.the last time a pastor entered a lion’s cage,he was tore apart.

Matthew 24:29-35

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Ok, its more than 2000 years and we are still waiting for those stated above to happen.still waiting and the evangelist is still intimidating people that the hour is at hand and they will be doomed with outdated unfulfilled prophecies!


Matthew 16:27-28
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Ok, ”some standing here” have rotten in their graves!


Mark 13:30-31
30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. [/b]31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Ok, ”these generations” have long pass.


[b]Mark 9:1

1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Na lie!!!all of dem done die!!!lol


Luke 9:27
27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

All of them are died and gone!!!!!!!!!!!!

javadoctor: I'm sory for the soul who created this thread. For this thing you hv done,anybody proposing the motion including you will be given a chance on a sick bed of death,and if u dnt accept the lord jesus christ as ur saviour by friday latest u will die.

Sorry! U better go and commit suicide than to see people against ur religion. If you followed d trend from beginning, u will see many verses there to defend but not that ana u come here to kill people who exposed ur fake, man made and false religion.
Your god didn't kill those who planned against him to death talkless those who called ur god bastard. Shame on u!

Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


Salvation
According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.
According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)
Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of G-d and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?


Eating meat sacrificed to idols
It’s okay to do so according to Paul (1 Corinthians 8 ).  But Jesus condemns the act, as well as those who teach folk to do so (Revelation 2:14, 20).
I've heard some try to resolve this by saying Jesus taught old covenant law because he lived under the law, but after his death and resurrection we are now under the new covenant.  If that's true, and he knew it would be true (and he should have known if he is G-d, right?) then why did he never mention this?  Why didn't he say to the young man, "For now, obey the commandments, but after I'm raised from the dead, keep your fortune and don't worry about the commandments, because you won't be required to keep them."?  He never said this to anyone, nor anything like this, not once in the three and one-half years he spent preaching, by both sermon and example, to live the Law given through Moses.

Deuteronomy 12:31
31Thou shall not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

From the above God considers sacrificing your children as an abomination, yet Christians ascribe that same abomination to God, sacrificing his own “son”!


Deuteronomy 18:9-12
When you enter the land that GOD, your God, is giving you, don't take on the abominable ways of life of the nations there. Don't you dare sacrifice your son or daughter in the fire. Don't practice divination, sorcery, fortunetelling, witchery, casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. People who do these things are an abomination to GOD. It's because of just such abominable practices that GOD, your God, is driving these nations out before you.

Galatians 3:13


13[b]Christ[/b] hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Paul was refering to:

Deuteronomy 21:23
23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

So will you Christians continue to justify human sacrifice when all evidence point and work against it? The choice is indeed yours to make!


Major Yeats-Brown, in his “Life of a Bengal Lancer”, summarises the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement in just a single sentence:

“NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS CONCEIVED SO GROTESQUE AN IDEA, INVOLVING AS IT DOES THE ASSUMPTION, THAT MAN WAS BORN WITH A HEREDITARY STAIN UPON HIM: AND THAT THIS STAIN (FOR WHICH HE WAS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE) WAS TO BE ATONED FOR: AND THAT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO NEUTRALISE THIS MYSTERIOUS CURSE.”

WAS JESUS A WILLING “SACRIFICE”?

Let us examine the narration of how sorrowful and freigtened Jesus was and obviously was not ready nor willing to die for your sin:

Matthew 26:36-47
36Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
43And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.


Compare the sorrow and fear Jesus expressed and the joy or at least readiness of soldiers who are willing to die.dont you dare come up and tell me he (Jesus) was human.i don’t even want to go into the question of whether Jesus was human or god or both.the fact is those willing to die are not gods but men.God does not die;gods die and hence they are false!if you can find men willing to die or at least willing to honor their agreement to sacrifice themselves for the truth,Jesus should no less be as strong as them.we read further:

Luke 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Fear? Not only that he was sweating and weeping. He was sweating as if they were “great drops of blood”. Why all that? Was it because Jesus was willing to die? Or was it because he was not willing to die? Tell me!

Matthew 27:45-46
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Forsaken? The “son” is complaining to his “dad” that his “dad” had forsaken him and here you are telling me he was “willing” to die!

CAN A “CURSE” REDEEM HUMANITY?

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

So the Christian god did not only slay his son,he did not only “sacrifice” his son” and he did not only performed human sacrifice,but he allowed his son to be cursed!a cursed “son of god”?is that the gift that Christianity has to offer humanity?thanks but no thanks!

WHERE DO CURSED PEOPLE GO INTO AND WAS JESUS REALLY “KILLED” OR “CRUCIFIED” AND BECOME “CURSED”?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

From the above verse, it is either Jesus is lying that he will drive the cursed ones away since he himself has become cursed according to Galatians 3:13 and he too must be driven away or Jesus is saying the truth that he will drive the cursed ones away because Jesus was never killed or cursed!


Deuteronomy 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

An accursed messiah, prophet and “son of god”?impossible! He could never have being killed and therefore he never “died” for your sins (thus no human sacrifice” and therefore no resurrection!

With all the crying and weeping of Jesus, Christians hold that Jesus was killed and therefore become “cursed” as a human sacrifice that “died” for their sin”. Is that how a loving God (your so called “heavenly father”) treats his beloved son? Do Christian fathers sacrifice their sons and give them up to save the wicked and those who have committed atrocities? Is it just to punish the innocent in the place of the criminal?

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Godside: is it true that scriptures about Prophet Muhammad were removed from the Bible?
The Bible was written almost 600 years before Muhammad was born. To say that the Bible should speak about Muhammad is an illusion! If I had been a Muslim, I too would have wished my prophet was authenticated by this marvellous book called the Bible! The Koran is a simple text of 114 chapters much smaller than the 150-chapter Psalms of the Bible. It would take anyone just a day to read them. Whereas the Bible was written with chronological perfection, you will not see that in the Koran.
The Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years from Moses, the first writer to that last, John the prophet, of Revelation. The original text of the Bible still exists. Educated people think in straight lines giving respect to historical facts and events. The Koran is so jumbled up that you cannot make historical sense out of its text. It also has misinformation onmany Biblical characters such as the Pharaoh, Abraham, Noah, Moses and many others. The Jesus of the Koran differs from the Biblical one.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are the original documents and manuscripts have all been safely kept and are dated from 1,500BC to 100AD. The earliest copies of the Bible, also calledCodexes are three in: Sinaiticus, Vaticanus and Alexandrianus. They are dated 330AD, 340AD and 425AD respectively. The subsequent texts from the Latin Vulgate of 400AD to the New Revised Standard Bible of 1990 are all available for scholarly reference.

If you want to know how bible and quran was written, pls open another trend to challenge muslim abt the quran. Don't bring another trend here just let us finalise this b4 other. I hope u will defend what is on ground but shame on u, u can't say anything to defend it.

adaxme: and pls stop comparing jesus christ and some slaves , jesus is the son of the almighty God ,totally sinless as perfect,the slaves where ordinary humans

Son of god or son of maria? You don't know anything, why not u people shud keep quiet and accept all the contradiction, forged, man made and false religion.

Also, they asked Jesus christ are u son of God, jesus said:Matthew 26:63-64
63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
JESUS SAID NOTHING AND THEY CHANGED THE QUESTION THAT: Mark 14:61
61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
JESUS NOW ANSWERED YES: Mark 14:62
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

SON OF BLESSED (who is Blessed)
Luke 1:28 & 48
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

HyperBase: The person who posted this lead against christianty is either a witch or a wizard. If you dont believe in the Christian faith, look elsewhere and dont come here to talk nonsense. You will see yourself in hell fire fool.

Shame on you, you can't defend ur god instead u to keep quiet, where did u see witch where they exposing ur paganism and paulinism from ur man made religion. If I were you I will just go and commit suicide.

HyperBase: The person who posted this lead against christianty is either a witch or a wizard. If you dont believe in the Christian faith, look elsewhere and dont come here to talk nonsense. You will see yourself in hell fire fool.

Shame on you, you can't defend ur god instead u to keep quiet, where did u see witch where they exposing ur paganism and paulinism from ur man made religion

adebiyikayode5: i pity majority of ppl on this forum 4 typing stupility statement on the jesus christ on the forum i dont care whom u are listen good without d death of christ 4 yr life u are d fast lane to crisis,futility,pain&vanity

Sorry for you, why not say this to those who slap ur god and see what's going to happen,
john 18:22-23
22 When Jesus said this, one of the officials nearby slapped him in the face. “Is this the way you answer the high priest?” he demanded.

23 “If I said something wrong,” Jesus replied, “testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?”

adaxme: you muslims are totally ignorant ,you started this thread to mock christians ,well you say what you want to but d truth still remains chrstianity is the truth and you mad about that,;and not its too late become a follower of jesus christ

Mr Man, can u tell me in ur Bible where jesus said Christianity is the truth religion?
Where jesus mention christianity as a religion, pls tell me?

[quote author=Okija_juju]Jesus did not die for us, he was arrested and charged to court for high Treason and heresy, which according to the laws of the land was punishable by death under Section ### of the Roman Laws of the time.

Jesus decided not to go with the public defender but to represent himself in court. The first court dismissed the case against him for lack of proper evidence; the second court which was a higher court sentenced him to death.
Before his crucifixion, he had was about to be granted amnesty nut the people didn’t want him, so they granted amnesty to Barnabas and sent Jesus to the gallows.

Jesus died because He was a wanted man, who had evaded arrest for so long until he was caught slipping after one of his home boys went and snitched to the cops in exchange for money and immunity from prosecution. ..
[/quote]So amnesty was granted to barnabas, no wonder amnesty was granted to criminals in nigeria. Why jesus didn't accept d offered? maybe he is God, becos God don't need amnesty.
Shame on u they wanted to grant ur god amnesty!

damosky12: look friend. Jesus was not a man, He was 'God Himself' who came in form of a man(John 1:1), He carried the life spirit of God because He was born of that spirit and not a man's spermatozua; that is why He was called Emmanuel meaning God (himself) with us (in form of man). He wasnt born of any man (remember it was the the the prencense of God who over shadowed a holy virgin to bear Him), so he was not a normal being neither was he a sinner genetically because he wasnt born by a man's sperm remember, man is a sinner by nature of Adam. Jesus was not a product of Adam!! HE WAS HOLY IN NATURE AND IN DEED. HE NEVER SINNED AND WAS'NT BORN A SINNER LIKE ALL MEN!! The reason why the sacrifice is esteemed is because of.

1)God's love for man for Jesus to die in the place of sinfull sinners when He himself never sinned. (1Corinth 5:21)

2)He himself was the creator of men. Bible says "...and without Him was not anything made that was made"-JOHN 1:3. He was the one who could die to bear the sins of all men because he made them and remember He could have chosen not to die and kill all men, creating a new set of Men. He chose not "for God SO LOVED the world" this world.


3) A man who hated sin was made to carry it in bulk upon himself, that was why He was praying to God. He wasnt afraid of the death but never wanted to be a sinner for once because He had to carry the sins of the whole world (alive, dead and unborn) upon himself even though He never sinned!

Pls can u explain this verse when u said Jesus is God;
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,