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FOLYKAZE: Which state are you from? Visit any state libray and access more information through the internet. I dont need to school you. Ok?

You are pointless, if your lecturer ask u a question in classroom on particular topic, will u tell him d answer is in d library. Where is proof from Quran or Bible? Or if u read it from library bring out those their verses of chapter.

manmacho: Why is islam always trying to proof itself to be right, i don't see God speaking in a way that will leave any doubt. God word is true is left for u to believe it.

Which doubt? Just believe in whatever you believed

FOLYKAZE: Goshen : Mary was a virgin, gave birth to Jesus without having sex and no knowledge of artificial insemination.

Catholic : Mary is a virgin forever with additional five kids

Obadiah : Joseph is the father of Jesus. The Jewish man f*ucked Mary

we learnt that the fact is, Joseph, Mary and Jesus didn't exist. They are all like talking tortoise in the yoruba mythology

Don't fabricate what u don't know, Man. Bring ur proof to support ur stand

nnofaith: @ayenny. how old are you?

You don't need to ask for my age, just comment or contribute here

nnofaith: i know everything you know. and more..

What's is ur own then and tell me u know abt islam

nnofaith: was a muslim untill a few weeks ago. there is nothing you can tell me about islam.

What do you know about islam

nnofaith: Question: why do you believe the koran?
Answer : mohammed said we should.
Question: why do you believe mohammed?
Answer : the koran said we should.

like seriously?

Why not produce your own from what you believed that established the fact that your scripture and ur religion were from God as I do

nnofaith: Question: why do you believe the koran?
Answer : mohammed said we should.
Question: why do you believe mohammed?
Answer : the koran said we should.

like seriously?

Why not produce your own from what you believe that established the fact that your scripture and ur religion are from God as I do

CHALLENGING VERSES IN QURAN

God said in Quran“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)


ANOTHER VERSES
Almighty says:’’And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our  servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If  there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –the Cow-: 23-24)


ANOTHER VERSE
“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)


ANOTHER VERSE
“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23)

ALSO ANOTHER ONE
God says: "We have without doubt, sent down the message and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption.)" (15:9)


THIS IS CHALLENGING TO ALL RELIGION IN THIS FORUM TO BRING THE SAMETHING FROM THEIR SCRIPTURE, IF TRULY THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD

CHALLENGING VERSES IN QURAN

God said in Quran“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)


ANOTHER VERSES
Almighty says:’’And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our  servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If  there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –the Cow-: 23-24)


ANOTHER VERSE
“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)


ANOTHER VERSE
“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23)

ALSO ANOTHER ONE
God says: "We have without doubt, sent down the message and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption.)" (15:9)


THIS IS CHALLENGING TO ALL RELIGION IN THIS FORUM TO BRING THE SAMETHING FROM THEIR SCRIPTURE, IF TRULY THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD

According to Muslim belief:

Decidedly the (only) religion with God is Al-Islam;

And those who have been given the Book differ not except after the knowledge has come to them out of mutual jealousy;And whoever disbelieves in the signs of God,Then surely God is quick to make up (his) account.(Quran 3:19)

Also:

Say thou, “We believe in God, and what has been sent on us, And what was sent on Abraham, And Ishmael, And Isaac, And Jacob, And His children,And what was given to Moses, And Jesus, And the prophets from the Lord.We split not one from the rest – And to Him are we obedient (Muslims).”
(Quran 3:84)

And whoever seeks a faith other than Al-Islam Then never shall it be accepted from him And he shall in the Future be a looser.(Quran 3:85)

Islam is the continuation and perfection of all the previous religions and is the religion with God.

THAT'S THE VERSE FROM QURAN

I love jesus becos he is a messenger of God;

I love jesus becos he is not God

I love jesus becos is not son of God

I love jesus becos he is a muslim

I love jesus becos he is not a christian

I love jesus becos he did many miracle in d name of God who sent him

I love jesus becos he follows law of moses and pray sollat

I love jesus becos he prophetise coming of muhammad

I love jesus becos is not trinity

(Alayhim sallam)

Jesus is not God

alexis: For example - When a thief is caught stealing - what do they do to him? No be beat them they beat am? The beating is the discipline that he shouldn't steal again.

The verse never taught that beating should be used as a tool for oppression or domination but as correction. Abeg, read am well

I asked u to explained to compared with Quran,

The Qur'an is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard.
As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first),

(next), refuse to share their beds,

(and last) beat them (lightly);

but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all).

If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers.

If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (An-Nisa': 34-35)


Compare the step where Quran asked us to before slightly beating to what bible said ' A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you! '

Did Bible make any option b4 several beating.

SO YOU FAILED FROM THAT UR EXPLAINATION



Ask ur question?

alexis: You threw a question out there and didn't address me. Remember, we had an agreement. Please ask the question so I can answer. Thanks

Pls explain;

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.  A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30)"

"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that others do.  If you have good sense, it will show when you speak.  But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick.  If you have good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish talk will soon destroy you.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 10:12-14)"

"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly away like a sparrow or a swallow.  Horses and donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so must fools.  Don’t make a fool of yourself by answering a fool.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4)"

alexis: I don't know who you are addressing but I didn't ask you any question. I am still waiting for your question

You don't see d question I asked u to explain, those verses from proverb.

in any society, there is tradition and there is religion and anything that contrary to what Islam says will not be accepted including Saudi Arabia. Anything that contrary to what Quran and Hadith(authentic) will not be accepted.

There is no law in saudi arabia that forbid women not to drive in islam?

During the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) when there were no cars, and horses and camels were the only means of transport, and the blessed members of the Prophet’s family, his wives and daughters used them. In fact the Prophet (PBUH) commented in an authentic hadith of Al-Bukhari, “The best women who ride camels are the women of Quraysh.”

There is no enforceable law which prevents women from driving, rather it is only a cultural norms. And if you see the law from their law in saudi arabia u can bring it.


Are u now telling me that u don't see those muslim in nigeria that use veil with driving.

alexis: You asked for it. Before I engage you, I will like to for us to agree on some rules. For example:

1. You ask one question at a time and the other party responds. We ANSWER the question with sources from the Quran, Hadith and the Bible. Is that acceptable?
2. All evidence and proof should be from the Bible, Quran and Hadith and no where else. Agreed?

If you agree to the above, then I will engage you

Let me answerr ur question abt banning women ffrom driving?

alexis: You asked for it. Before I engage you, I will like to for us to agree on some rules. For example:

1. You ask one question at a time and the other party responds. We ANSWER the question with sources from the Quran, Hadith and the Bible. Is that acceptable?
2. All evidence and proof should be from the Bible, Quran and Hadith and no where else. Agreed?

If you agree to the above, then I will engage you

Agreed

alexis: It's a common tactic to go off-topic and digress to another irrelevant subject by muslim apologist. I will engage him if he wants proof. A muslims here claimed Mary (mother of Joseph) was 9 years old when she married Joseph because I brought up the FACT (with evidence by the way in the Hadith and Quran) that Mohammeds wife Aisha was a girl of 6 when he married her and 9 when he consummated the marriage. I then asked the guy for evidence where Mary was 9 - AS WE SPEAK, he hasn't provided one.

Don't worry urself mr man, islam is not d religion without proof or man made or fabricated or corrupted unlike ur bible and ur religion. Don't worry ur question will be answered with one condition?

Mintayo: please don't argue with the guy,He is very good in twisting the Bible- and i guess he loves the Bible so much that he has been reading it to find faults. And again derailing from threads is his hubby(i am not surprised).
@ayeni,leave the Bible and focus on the topic-comparing Bible and quran? Mba,kowole...

Mintayo, u are here again. I don't know what's wrong with u people I have explained what our religion says about treating woman and I also asked u people question and u people are dodging my question.

About how women banned for driving in saudi arabia, u people shud not rush theirself, I will explain it if you don't explain my question, I have bn dealing with people like u and I know how they dodged question if they don't know to explain it

alexis: Dude - why should I explain the text you quoted from the Bible when you have totally mis-represented it. Also, how did the Bible get into this discussion. Isn't the thread about Islam and women and how they are treated. I didn't school in Nigeria so I didn't pass WAEC but I was taught that you should stick to the theme and topic when talking.

Omo, there are some of us that has STUDIED the Quran and Hadith since we were kids and we know it. I will challenge you to prove your points with EVIDENCE OH

I don't know why people dodging question, I asked u to explain, is there anything wrong in telling u to explain.

If u studies Quran and hadith in school, does it mean u will understand what Quran and hadith says on particular issue.

You don't need to challenge me to bring proof, islam is not a religion of opinion or head, islam is religion of bring ur proof. If u can see from my first comment, I made mention what Quran and Hadith says abt d topic and how some people misused the it.

Back to my question pls explain?

CAMEROONPRIDE: I didn't insult u ,
Leave Christianity, and tell us why women are flogged for wearing jeans? Why are they even flogged?

Tell us why those women can't drive?
Etc

I have explained how muslim shud treat his wife from Quran and hadith. Are u not u people that raised some question on this trent and we explained.

I now asked you to explain some verses in bible to compare it with islam and you are dodging d question to use question to answer my question.
Pls explain that and we will explain all question. U ask

CAMEROONPRIDE: Why you Muslims are always drawing comparisons with Christianity, explain your religion which is Islam.

Simple question I asked just explain and let's compare it. Is it an insulting statement, 'explain'

alexis: Oh Shut Up! What has the Bible got to do with Wife Oppression and women rights in Islam. Can't you stick to the topic and leave the Bible out of this?

If you want education on how a woman should be treated in a marriage based on Christian principles and teachings, I will gladly engage and debate with you. I will bring FACTS from your Quran and Hadith about how prophet Mohammed treated women. Then we can compare them side to side so you should see that there is a legitimate reason for wife beating in your Quran.

I don't know how u pass ur WAEC, I asked you people to explain simple question and you insulted. If you look at my previous comment, I explained abt the treatment of women from d Quran and Hadith, and I now asked you people to explain those verses to compare it 2geda, is any criminal in it.

CAMEROONPRIDE: Anyway, sha from the reports, news, testimonies, etc it seems that Islam is against wife( notice that he didn't say women) but Muslims men are for wife oppression(flogging, beating,humiliation, pouring acid etc) .
Muslims women being too weak and scared this situation is not going to change soon

Does christianity allow wife beating?

The Concept of Beating in the Bible:

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.  A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30)"

"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that others do.  If you have good sense, it will show when you speak.  But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick.  If you have good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish talk will soon destroy you.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 10:12-14)"

"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly away like a sparrow or a swallow.  Horses and donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so must fools.  Don’t make a fool of yourself by answering a fool.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4)"



LET OUR CHRISTIANITY TO COME AND EXPLAIN THOSE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE TO COMPARE IT WHAT ISLAM SAYS

Does christianity allow wife beating?

The Concept of Beating in the Bible:

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.  A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30)"

"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that others do.  If you have good sense, it will show when you speak.  But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick.  If you have good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish talk will soon destroy you.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 10:12-14)"

"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly away like a sparrow or a swallow.  Horses and donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so must fools.  Don’t make a fool of yourself by answering a fool.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4)"



LET OUR CHRISTIANITY TO COME AND EXPLAIN THOSE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE TO COMPARE IT WHAT ISLAM SAYS

Does Islam allow wife beating? Some husbands are violent and they say that the Qur'an allows them to beat their wives. Is there any logical explanation given regarding men being allowed to beat their wives, as stated in surat An-Nisa', verse 34?

The verse has been greatly misconceived by many people who focus merely on its surface meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning. Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the original Arabic wording of the Qur'an is the only authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it.


"According to the Qur'an the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Ar-Rum: 21)

The Qur'an urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. [In the event of a family dispute, the Qur'an exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects]. Allah Almighty says: “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (An-Nisa’: 19)


The Qur'an is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (An-Nisa': 34-35)


It is important to read the section fully. One should not take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate family situation with care and wisdom. The word "beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean "physical abuse".

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark". He further said that face must be avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.


Generally, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to discourage his followers from taking even this measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do not hit their wives. In one hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?”


The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several hadiths, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) discouraged this measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard:

"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";

"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."

In another hadith the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?”

True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.


Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or Hadith). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)."

dejgan: @ayenny02...keep posting your questions to me pls.......you are not a bad student afterall, you only possess a WILD sense and I will refrain as much as possible from answering you from either the Bible or the Quaran for now. I will answer you based on common sense and spiritual understanding.....

Please, since have bn posting did I used my common sense? NO.
I don't need common sense to answer my question from u, I need proof to establish ur fact.

Sure sir: is a very bad tin 4 a muslim to touch d church building talk mor of 2 pray. Correction, we dnt serve d same GOD. .remember christianity is not a religion bt in christianity is God at work in humanity.

So you believed that christianity is not a religion. What is ur religion then?

[quote author=dejgan][/quote]So when you accepted that d bible contains error, did you still consider it holy?

nwando: No I lost touch after I left nairaland for a while.
There was someone recently who wrote on a thread that they were formerly Muslim,I wish I can find It,I would want them to share a testimony too
Pilgrim got a few converts after that testimony and she was following them up and telling them the proper way to tell their family etc.
That thread was a real blessing

Infact I don't know what's wrong with u people, I prove TRINITY, HOLY BIBLE, JESUS CRUSIFICATION etc wrong to u from ur bible and I also challeged you people to come and defend it. Instead to prove me wrong , u are looking for someone who will give testimony how she convert. Is it testimony we are saying here or to prove that which one is God book btw HOLY QURAN and Bible. Shame on you people, if I were you I will just commit suicide for not proving what u believed is d way.