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Hathor5:
So let us delve in the pleasures of fantasy and allow me to see your vision of a perfect world.

Some things are sacred, a person's innermost and usually selfish desires is one of them.

Hathor5:
Interesting definition of fantasy but fantasies are unlikely to happen, dreams can be easier to fulfill. This is the distinction I would draw between dreams and fantasies. What about the man who lives a near-perfect life? Does he need fantasy?

I love the example with the clean bedsheets. But I would always choose to lie on them to enjoy the sensation that comes with the freshness and comfort.

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The quote resonates with me on a very deep level. It's a definition I would have never thought of on my own.

Fantasies , dreams, thoughts, imagination, goals, ambitions, wishes are really all similar Hathor5. Desire is the trade name of the firm

Hathor5:
Ayt27

I have been thinking about your words for a while now. Could you please elaborate on the word fantasy? What does it mean to delve into the pleasures of fantasy?

It's simply day-dreaming, allowing one's thoughts to live the life, the man would truly want to live where everything is perfect there only that it's in his imagination, which ultimately doesn't make it real. Which makes it a fantasy

The boundlessness of the imagination gives a man the ability to joy in his perfect world, a secret pleasure, to also hope on the outside that someday his outside world may resemble that of his imagination and that alone gives him hope, strength to live and fight for another day. Which makes the man need the fantasy to keep alive the hope.

The man fantasizes about the thing he desires the most.

If a man does not allow himself delve into the pleasures of fantasy, the hope dies, when hope dies the man is lost . If a man is lost, he has nothing to live for and everything comes crashing down.

The man who would not allow himself delve into the pleasures of fantasy, I think is a man who has known great pain.

The reason a man will not delve into that pleasure is because he has experienced his fantasy in the real (outside) world and it was taken from him. No man will give up his fantasy playing out in the real world, except it was taken from him, as days turn into weeks he begins to see he can't get what he has lost back and will not have that which his figment will provide, he then begins to goes through the five stages of grief, when he gets to the last stage acceptance at that point he has lost hope, he becomes a realist, harbours some resentment which makes him cynical and from there it's only a matter of time before everything crashes but don't forget the pain of losing the real life pleasures of what he held so dearly was what led to the man's life crashing. Hence the quote above

I hope you've understood more why I sent you the PM? Plus I had thought the other quote

"The graceful expressive states of life little pleasures is art" would have resonated with you more,

Think about it, it could be something as simple as laying your bed with a clean bedsheet and when you are done you don't want to lie on it because it's just looks beautiful or maybe the dressing of a cooked meal to take a picture of showing it in its best light.

Art is more than a brush into a paint unto a canvass. Art to me is the stirring of emotions in appreciation to the beauty of an action or a thing, Art is the revelation of beauty.

"The graceful expressive states of life little pleasures is art", the little pleasures is art because those little pleasures are beautiful.

Hathor5:
I wish you would not seek to find the author in the book but let the characters live a life of their own.

Take the deconstructive approach and you will see the world through the eyes of a highly sensitive and alert person who refuses to succumb to mass hypnosis.

You see the author not in one but in two characters. It tells me that you are someone who sees people in their complexity and your ability to identify the experience that forms their character is intriguing.

True very very very true,

That was why I wasn't sure if I liked the book itself or the author's style of writing.

I had a bit of conflict deciding which approach to take, but I eventually settled to seek the author because of the painter, any good writer with wits could carve out a Lord Henry but the painter that takes some thing one must have experienced.

You see the author starts his book with art. Art can take any expression either sculpture, music, art, cooking or even writing. I think the graceful expressive state of life little pleasures is art.

He tells the mystery, beauty secrecy, passionate, unyeilding nature of art then the character of the painter chooses to hide the greatest work of his life because of one thing.....He knows the portrait of Dorian Gray will betray him to the world, it contained too much of his being. The author takes a long time to explain why this art must stay hidden from Basil and Dorian's stance, anyone who sees it will see them as they truly are.

Now I don't know yet if that picture made it out to the public, but surely some of the author's own feelings will spill to the pages of the book
something like there are few things that needed to stay hidden.

I checked out Wilde, turns out he was a suspected homosexual in a time and era where such things was greatly frowned upon, he couldn't express himself the way he would have wanted to, if he did the world would seem him as a homo and he would not have wanted that in the public glare. That was probably his great pain and it's easier to see why he chooses an artistic character to express his true nature in form of his adoration to Dorian and hide it under the guise of "genius/ painted art".

It was a brilliant move


Every man must delve into the pleasures of fantasy, either with the Lord or with the world. If he doesn't then that's a man who has started to lose hope, and a man who has lost hope has lost.


It's worth noting that he eventually was arrested for public indency that began his public downward spiral, my guess is he could no longer bear the great pain and he cracked , but before he cracked I choose to believe he was a form of Lord Henry a witty realist and a cynic. He was jailed for 3 years and two years later he died of meningitis, which was likely caused by syphilis, which is the leading cause of disease among gay men.


Do you now understand why I chosen to send it to you as a pm, even though I think my write up is brilliant and shouldn't really stay hidden. It seemed to me like I had invested alot of myself into the book to break it down, I dived into it's pages and quenched my thirst, the average fellow will probably think I'm an overdo while the one who refuses to succumb to mass hyponsis will get an idea of who I am or claim to be.

You did, by your summation in my multilayer approach, you were already able to tell something about me. How much more a portrait drawn from adoration of the object or a book written from pain? An author's own is even worse, they have to write the thoughts in their heads down and books are easy to read, a painting......not so much.

That's why I believe Oscar was hiding through Basil by not wanting to display the picture(his true homo self). He created a deflection away from Basil and still had Dorian lock the picture up in the study.

If you can remember when Basil asked to display the portrait in Paris, Dorian refuses, making it seem like Basil could have displayed it, but the author made sure the picture stays hidden and even the portrait becomes hideous, very parallel to the indency, jail and downward spiral of Wilde.


Besides, I felt it was too long and it was a something of our little pleasure, kinda awkward that I had to paste it here.

I'm usually quite sure of these things

27 is just a number

Hathor5:
I am sorry but I don't do PMs on NL. Besides, I don't even remember the password to the email I registered here with. I hope we can continue to chat here though.

Your PM was a one-time answer, it was a bit long and somewhat psychoanalysed as to why I had gone down the path of the author and not the characters.

Of course, this is the place for such.

Hathor5:
Take the deconstructive approach and you will see the world through the eyes of a highly sensitive and alert person who refuses to succumb to mass hypnosis.

I'll take you through a pleasant mental journey I'll send my reply through a pm, after you are done reading it you'll understand it's exactly what Wilde did, what Basil did and what Dorian did and why I have done it too.

I'll take the deconstructive approach too, Sarah Kane was right the about taking author's approach it shows that depression, ultimately it's just a book albeit a very good one.

Hathor5:
'Conscience and cowardice are really the same things, Basil. Conscience is the trade-name of the firm. That is all.'

'I don't believe that, Harry, and I don't believe you do either.'

Sometimes it's really just cowardice that prevents us from doing certain things, we in turn label it conscience, all men have experienced that the author was bold enough to put it in words. He was bold enough to put ALOT of innate feelings in words for example, "the terror of society, which is the basis of morals, the terror of God, which is the secret of religion—these are the two things that govern us"

The reason I like this book or maybe the author's style of writing is the fact that he has a valid opinion of almost every subject, from religion to romance.

Oscar projects his realism and touch of cynicism through Harry, I think he was a very objective man, probably wasn't too attached to something or someone and lived for the moment.

A man who won't allow himself delve into the pleasures of fantasy, I think is a man who has known great pain, I'm not sure about this but I suspect it to be so,

Basil seems to me like the part of Oscar who has known that great pain.

I'll do a background check on the author, at this point I'm curious.

Hathor5:
Ayt
I want to share and multiply your pleasure of this beautiful piece of literature.
I love that you love this book.

Invitation to share and multiply my pleasure of this beautiful piece of literature well received.

Hathor5:
Oscar Wilde's books are classics. He was an amazing author. I highly recommend The Picture of Dorian Gray. Amazing read.

Hathor5 that I like this book is an understatement. His words are colorful esp when Lord Henry speaks, he said something like "only the intellectually" lost argue and that thing blew my mind.

I think it was the style of talking back in his day that was so rich, expressive and alive. The first chapter was the epitome of "burning passion" and yet it wasn't of lust from Basil to Dorian, you could cut the passion on the pages with a knife.

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