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coogar: where will he apply the spermicide? inject it or what? condoms don't even come with spermicides again after it was discovered it could increase the chances of cervical cancer in women.

so what choices do men have?

None.

Women need to realize that men are biologically advantaged when it comes to having babies. They have less to lose.
The party that has more to lose should take more responsibility.

Though many keep the baby to "pin" the man down.

XKZ: She's not the one who decided she doesn't want to mother a child.
The man might as well have patronised a prostitute (or someone he was sure is not interested in mothering).

Are you saying every female having sēx is ready to be a mother?

coogar: this option is open to her as well. why can't she get vasectomy. you will have to find a birth control method a guy can use that is not applicable to women & there's none.

Spermicides?

XKZ: And my argument is that the point of not fathering a child that has already been conceived should not arise. He fathered the child when he donated half of It's chromosomes.

What child ? A couple of cells? Get real.

XKZ: With a vasectomy someone has made a choice and is doing what is necessary to achieve it.
Whereas forcing someone else to have an abortion is moving the responsibility for his choice and actions to someone else.

No one can force a woman to have an abortion. It's her choice.

My argument is that a man shouldn't be forced to pay child support for a child he doesn't want to father. No one forced the chic to Keep the baby, so why force the man to pay child support?

coogar: there's nothing to read there - you are free to go!

the same nigerians that are condemning abortion are the same ones dumping the babies in lagos lagoon - they will rather birth the child & throw it away than do abortion.

the logic is hilarious!

When I say women are overly emotionally beings, they call me a man.

No one has been able to give a logical reason to why abortion is "bad".

Sophyrocks: Answer that yourself. If you see nothing wrong in abortion, you should see nothing in vasectomy. Arent both done to prevent pregnancies? pffffft.

I see absolutely nothing wrong in vasectomy.

I asked you the question to see if you'd shoot yourself in the foot by saying vasectomy is better.

XKZ: Why the comparison?

Why not the comparison ? Someone brought vasectomy up in their post.

cococandy: Either ways it's always a huge loss for any woman who's had an abortion.

Not if she didn't want the baby in the first place. It's a relief for many.

Sophyrocks: Where in my comment that i say its better than abortion? Did you see it in my comment? NOOOOOO. Why are you questioning vasectomy if abortion is absolutely nothing to you?

Let me make this easier for you;

Is vasectomy better than abortion?

Sophyrocks: Oooohhhhhhhh.
You see yourself So you can question vasectomy but support abortion. Hypocrisy at its peak!!

I asked you a simple question. Why you so hyper?
How's vasectomy better than abortion?

Sophyrocks: Simple!!!! That vasectomy is even better.

Better? How?

pickabeau1: Ma'am... na sooooo....the hybrid feminists we have nowadays fluidly moving choosing and dropping as it suits them
The next step in the puzzle is to start using insults

I appreciate the feminists that actually fought for women rights; the basic rights.

It's very easy for these salty, clueless and lazy females to use feminism as a platform to air their büllshït.

Salty females; the ones that got jilted by a man, or the ones that had an absentee father/ serial cheat father. The men eaters.

Clueless females; the ones that think the word "feminist" sounds cool, so why not join the movement. It makes them sound intellectual.

Lazy females; the ones that think men owe them something; or they're entitled to gold and silver because they have a vaägina.



You'll see that every present day feminist you know fits into one or more of these categories.

pickabeau1: U r wrong.... I dont call any female with a differing view from mine names

You identified yourself as one.. hence i put the question to you

And i ask u again... Abortion is a cornerstone of feminist ideology,, how come you feel it is immoral and murder

You cant murder what is not alive..

You know a system/movement/doctrine is becoming a joke when it starts to get too many branches.

-feminists that hate abortion
-feminists that agree that men should be the head in homes
-feminists that are against the "free the nïpple" movement.
-feminists that constantly cook for their husbands because they have to.

Sophyrocks: Agreed. You are not a christian. I believe in God. Good. put that aside.
I repeat, as long as you are altering the female reproductive system, it is a risk in itself.Repeated abortions increases the risk.
The risk of childbirth cannot be used to justify abortion. I stiil stand by this. Its a callous comparison.

I never said I wasn't a Christian. I just implied that you shouldn't assume everyone cares about God.

Agree to disagree.

Sophyrocks: I still stand by my views on risks and the moral angle of abortion. Its Murder. Its not right. But childbirth as a whole is right and a gift from God even when it comes with its risks. Its a thing of joy for humans. The risks can be minimised if the woman takes precautions and prevents factors that contribute to the risks! Its what families look up to have in their homes!! Is abortion is thing of joy? Can the risks be minimised? It takes only a person with no regard for human life to try to compare the two. They are not the same. The risk of abortion and childbirth CANNOT be compared!!! Find something else to compare.

"Joy" and "right" are relative. It's a joyful or rightful thing to you doesn't mean it's the same for your neighbor.

The risks can be compared ma. Child birth is riskier. Child birth is 14 times more likely to lead to death compared to abortion. What's there to argue about?

The risk of abortion can also be minimized or avoided, with the right doctor.

A gift from God? Hmm. We need to understand that not everyone believes there's a God, talkless of a gift from him.

Ewuro1: I said I respected your opinion but you are hell bent on FACTS just cos Mr. Agbabiaka and mordern biology textbook said so.

Sophyrocks: The so called 'statistic' is completely irrelevant to this issue. Its completely senseless!! how can you use the fact that some women loose their lives during childbirth to justify abortion?? so because they both have risks, that makes abortion o.k? Jeeeeezzzzz. See reasoning! So women's lives are useless all the same since risks are invloved ba? SMH. Again, no regard for human life.

It's completely relevant. You said abortion is bad because of the risks it poses. Whereas, child birth is more risky. Should we then say child birth is bad and stop giving birth?

You should stick to the "Murder angle" to help your argument. The resident statistician has debunked your "risk angle".

Sophyrocks: I see what? simply because he said it, then its a fact to you? LOL. Abegi. That means every married woman should stop giving birth altogether since its a risk abi? what are the factors that led to such risks? Did you consider them? Please you cannot use that so called 'fact' to justify taking a life!! Thats not sensible to me. Makes no sense.

Dnt do the 'DO'. Simple!!

He didn't pull that statistic out of nowhere. It's from a research/study.

Ok ma'am. I won't do the do.

Sophyrocks: The probability of getting complications is way higher than not getting at all oooo. As long as quacks are evrywhere and abortion s relatively cheap in some areas, as long as you are making alterations on the female reproductive system, you cannot call that a MINIMAL RISK!! Life threatening risk fa!! Haba.

That's my point. Anything can be risky. The quacks are the ones making the risks higher.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for carelessness. I don't even like using the word abortion too often; it's should be the last option; locked in the safe somewhere.

I don't get how condoms, birth control pills and the plan Bs will all fail. If these methods are used properly , abortion will be out of the equation.

coogar: she's more at risk if she carries the baby to term than aborting it. that's the trick these women use to force parenthood on the man.
researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.

Interesting fact. Sophy, you see?

Sophyrocks: You have already exposed your gender so no biggie.

All doctors know that an alteration in thee female reproductive system CAN result to something else. Since abortion has minimal risks as you said, what is the guarantee that for every female who goes for it, she won't get to meet a quack to spoil her womb forever? Even a so called professional can make errors. what is the guarantee that a complication will not erupt? what is the guarantee that cervical cancer will not emerge overtime as a result of undetected error after abortion?

What is the guarantee that complications will not erupt when giving birth to a child ?

pickabeau1: i agree 100 pc..

on ur points on life.. u also know while admirable, ,that is not the prevailing philosophy as it causes big political issues

lifers vs choicers.... tragic in my opinion

Pickabeau, when I told you France will knock Nigeria out, you called me a hater/pessimist. **clears throat**

Sophyrocks: So you are a female? your posts sort of implied that you are a male. Let me ask you, why would a female as you think Abortion aint risky at all?

I have discussed abortion many times with different people. For you to term whats inside the womb of a woman as 'Bunch of cells without consciousness' made me shocked.

My gender is inconsequential. The topic is abortion. I didn't say it wasn't risky. Everything is risky anyway. I said, it has minimal risk, if done by the right person.

The fact that quacks do it tells me it's a pretty straightforward process. It's rare to find a quack neurosurgeon; there's a reason.

That's the beauty of the forum. You get to read views and opinions that would shake your spirit.

Sophyrocks: Are you a worshipper of Zeus?

Of course, you would say its not that risky. YOU ARE A MAN NOT A WOMAN!!! Do you get pregnant? do you abort children? Have you gone through the abortion process before? What a joke!!! LOL!! what you just said is laughable!! How about the numerous females who die from it? How about those who come out with cervical cancer or any other ailment? and you sit there typing that it aint risky??

Now your lack of respect for human life is amazing!!!

Im shocked!!

Why would a man have a moniker that says "BABE!" ?
and why are you so shocked? This is the first time you're having an argument on abortion?

Sophyrocks: Sorry. Its still lack of respect for human life no matter how you want to paint it. for the simple reason that you are getting rid of something that has life, a human embryo, you still lack respect for human life. You are talking this way because abortion is as common as pure water. Abortion is nothing even to ladies themselves. Its just a way to make responsibilities disappear. Ladies who fear to abort and refuse to do it are fully aware of the risks involved and how life threatening it is. So you see, no regard for human lfe is the bane of the society. The same society everybody is trying to please.

So you're saying I'm the bane of my society? May Zeus forgive you.

It's not that risky. Like Coogar said, it's not a heart surgery. Except you're using a metal hanger or some concoction, it's a pretty simple process with minimal risk.

Sophyrocks: No wonder!! but when you are ready to have a child after marriage, it becomes a life to you ba? It becomes a life that has consciousness abi? The bolded shows A HUGE LACK OF RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE on your part!!

Im shocked!!

Ok, ok let's slow down. You're coming at me with too many emotions.

When I'm ready to have a child after marriage, it's still a bunch of cells that lack conscious until the baby is born and well developed. Married couples do abort. Plus, I don't remember what happened when I was in the womb.

I don't lack respect for human life. More like, I'm very logical. I can also make the argument that you lack respect for human life since you use condoms; and condoms kill sperms, the basis of human life.

Ewuro1: Keep hammering on it without protection and when e don happen( preggy) blame the lady en ? .. Gosh njokusboy you're a coldhearted mean carnivore !

Aren't they both enjoying the hammering? You make it sound like sëx is only pleasurable to men.

alutacontinua: It really would have been a different case if there's always a discussion before sex, say a written agreement by both parties as to what happens with the product/non-product of their session .But we all know the power of konji na

That should be the bill you pass first; not jailing irresponsible fathers.

Sophyrocks: Religion and everything else. what is a woman getting rid of when she aborts?

A bunch of cells that lack consciousness.

Sophyrocks: As for abortion, when its done by a qualified professional, it doesnt have any consequences. But there are a lot of quacks all over the place and there is no guarantee that the womb won't get bruised. Cervical cancer is on the rise. So abortion is a No no. Not to talk of the fact that you are being murderer doing it. As long as a life has been formed, its murder.

Abortion is a huge topic on it's own. I don't mean to derail, but murderer according to the bible/religion, or according to some constitution ?

alutacontinua: AND MOTHERS TOO!
I'll pass the bill without blinking

That's why you can't be a president. Who'll pay attention to you after reading that hogwash in your manifesto?

alutacontinua: and that is the point where we tag them irresponsible. There are men who agree to having the child and still turn out to be irresponsible! If the law can at least squeeze some money outta them, why would I object that? As a matter of fact, there should be a law that dumps irresponsible parents in jail. As long as the dna matches and there is proof that it wasn't rape or stolen sperm (whatever that means), your child is your responsibility!

Jail time? Women, Nawa. If you become a president tomorrow that's one of the first bills you'll pass to congress abi? Jail time for irresponsible fathers.

If there was no law squeezing money out of the men, women will make more logical decisions. The law is only promoting single parenthood.

Sophyrocks: No. Not every female wants the child. which is why abortion is still very high in the country. The slap is as a result of the man absolving himself of responsibility should in case a child comes in. This tells you many men do not discuss this before having s*e*x.

It's good the man is clear about his intentions. The woman should also be clear about her intentions.

Abortion (which is the last option) isn't so bad in the grande scheme.

Sophyrocks: Re-read my comment again.

You said, the woman will slap the man if he said he just wants sëx without babies.

So, your point is that these women want the babies?

alutacontinua: My point exactly!
the only time a man has a say is before or during the sex
whatever happens after the sex, he just has to take responsibilities for his actions. Talk about consequences. If however, he is lucky to have a woman who agrees to his demands, all good! If a woman decides not to abort for whatever reason, he don become daddy be that.

Now becoming a daddy is the issue here. If a man doesn't want to father a child, he won't. The highest the developed countries can do is get child support from the daddies. It's even the mums that spend these child support on themselves.

Is that all the child needs? What about fatherly care ? Discipline ? Love from a father?

Sophyrocks: I am not ready to father a child o but i want to have s*e*x with you'. Lolzzzz. No be slap go follow on that his dirty face?? LOL!!

So this has nothing to do with abortion/ethics......you're agreeing that these women actually want the babies?

alutacontinua: lol....i doubt most men do have this discussiom before sex
I mean, who really goes to discuss if it turns into a baby or not-isn't getting to cloud 9 the most important thing then?

if there was a discussion before sex, I believe both parties would be on the same page to protect themselves, the man also making sure of it, such that no seed gets deposited in the first place.

True, not everyone would discuss babies before sēx. Some men even promise the women marriage just to get sëx.

However, the decision to have a baby outweight those before-sëx-gimmicks. A baby is a potential human being that will be greatly influenced by his/her family.

A baby shouldn't be had out of spite or punishment or having no choice. This toxic single parent/ absent father environment will affect the child immensely.

Nature has put the big decision of keeping a baby with women. Women are emotional being, however.

You wonder why mums are more likely to kill their children than dads.