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Coogar, When I say "beating", I'm not talking spanking or smacking; some.kids do need that at some point. I'm talking belt; shoes; koboko; pepper; iron kind of beating at every opportunity.

What brought about this topic was that I was on an African american forum and most of them didn't see anything wrong in what that NFL player did to his little man.

Overbeating is what is becoming the norm even in this day and age. I am very confident that a good 80% of african parents won't find anything wrong in what the man did. Isn't That a problem?

I gave examples of kids and people that weren't beaten and are better than the ones that were beaten.

My conclusion is It's easier to beat a child than to train a child; and since black people are generally mentally lazier, it makes sense that they overuse/overdo the beating. Any objections?

They mean they didn't chart the destructive course of their white counterparts who seem to have drug problems, teenage pregnancy, lack of respect for the authorities, college drop-outs, etc

and you think we dont have these problems in black communities? We respect authority? Lets use the most populous black nation (nigeria) as an example; which one of those things you listed isn't prevalent?

We know the actual number of drug problems, drop outs and teenage pregnancies in white countries. Do we have such numbers in NIgeria? Do you know how many of us are dealing with drug problems in NIgeria and hide under the umbrella of "satanic attack"? It will shock you that we're not any better; we just pretend more.

"it goes both ways. the african discipline definitely limit kids to fully explore his creative mind & at the same time, it limits them to fully explore their destructive nature.

for the white kids, there's no limit to what they can do creatively & destructively. so which is the best? i dunno......however, if kids in africa have the freedom like their peers in the west, africa would be an animal kingdom. "

When I say change our method of discipline, I don't mean switch to white method. But personally I''ll have an extreme white method over the extreme black one any day any time.

Haven't you seen black kids that are perfectly balanced without little or no beating/child abuse? I have cousins and friends that were never beaten and they're respectful and morally upright than most "battered" people I know.

I also know / and there are a lot of white people that turned out wonderful and respectful to people and their parents.

I gave two examples that have "little or no beating" as a common denominator. If kids can be well trained without beating you'd agree with me that beating is a lazy form of parenting and a way for blacks to vent off their anger and frustration at the world on poor kids.

coogar: the black people have been subjugated & have not been fully allowed to reach their potential apart from entertainment(sports & music)

slavery took black people backwards by about 1,000 years and they are still playing catch-up. i am not really sure the cane had something to do with this - i am sure cameron & his mates got caned in school cos corporal punishment was a norm back then.

Were the ones in africa subjugated too?

You'd agree with me that child abuse (what African parents call discipline) affects kids negatively. Kids that are inquisitive are considered "rude". Kids can't question their parents. The parents are never wrong; then on top of that you add the senseless beatings.

if we change our method of "training", don't you think we'll be a lot better off?

Plus, when black people say they turned out wonderful coz of the beating they got, what do they mean then?

crackhaus: How did you come about that? @emboldened...

Go on any thread here about beating and notice the comments. Kids that aren't beaten are considered "spoilt and rotten" to a typical african.

Shymexx,

When I talk about beating, I'm not talking about smacking; I'm talking about belt, koboko, wire, shoes, iron sort of beating.

the correlation does exist among black people; they claim they're better than the whites because they got beat. I hear that alot from africans and african-americans.

"Those white kids are so rude and spoilt; thank God my mama whooped my ãss. "

If they are "better" than the white and unruly kids, shouldn't that reflect in the black society in some way? Shouldn't that give us an edge over them in some way?

pickabeau1: ok...
i think you have another agenda...
i will sit this one out

My agenda is to know how beating has helped the black community (how it makes them better than the whites).

I want to know if there's really a logic behind aggresive beating or if it's just a therapic way to release anger and frustration.

pickabeau1: Why make an extreme case like Adrian p the norm
So the success of the whites has nothing to do with their greater wealth n military might?

Nothing to do with slavery n colonialism but because they don't beat their kids...

OK..

Isn't it the norm? Isn't that how africans beat their kids on the regular.... "spare the rod and spoil the child".

but, africans/AAs always claim they turned out to be wonderful people thanks to the good ol' âss whooping they got.

These same wonderful black individuals make up the black communities that make up arguably the most backward race.

Why is that so?

pickabeau1: Do whites beat also...

Whites rarely beat compared to blacks. Beating is a norm among blacks, not spanking o, border line child abuse kind of beating; it's something we gloat about.

I hate to make it a racial issue, but it is what it is.

Based on the NFL player that left scars on his 4 year old boy, there's been a lot of debate about the rightfulness of beating/abusing a child.

I notice most black people believe there's a correlation between the amount of beating you get when growing up and how well you turn out in life.

"My dad beat me and I turned out just fine."
"My mum rubbed pepper in my privates and I became really successful in life. "

If there's indeed a positive correlation between beating and turning out fine, how come black people aren't the most successful group of people on the planet?

shymexx: Let's say there were no cuts/marks involved - is it alright to smack a kid for being belligerent?

Yes, if it's absolutely necessary. Kids are very easy to "mold"; they emulate what parents do/say and what they see in their environments. If you're a wonderful parent yourself there will be no need to use beating as a method of discipline.

Beating is a very lazy way of parenting.

adebisicutie: Obviously some people have walked way same way some people have walked away even after committing murder. The court can only rule based on the amount of evidence available that dosent mean murder is allowed. By law in self Defence you should only use the amount of force needed to get away and save your life but if the persecutor doesn't have enough evidence the person would walk the same way as people walk in drug cases and others. For every one case where the accused walks away there are 10 who are serving prison time. So it's a question of do you want to take that risk just to get back at someone when you can easily call the cops and have that person punished in the right way by the law?

Good, You've agreed with my point that hundreds have worked free when it comes to such cases.

adebisicutie: That would be regarded as manslaughter and the person would face prison time.

They may or they may not. It's depends on how good your defense case/ team is. Hundreds have worked free for accidently killing people. You need links/evidence?

shymexx: My bad - I posted the wrong pic at first.


NFL has gone nuts...and the society we live in today is going to hell in a hand basket. As the black sheep in my family, I grew getting my ar.se whooped with belts and all kinds of things...and that obviously instilled a lot of things into me. It made me stronger physically and mentally, also made me fear my parents. Heck, to date - I can't even look straight into my pops' face and chat shiit to him. Despite being far taller, stronger, and bigger than him.

You should be allowed to beat your children!

Shymexx the boy is 4.

And it's mostly black people that have that "for my child to fear me I must leave marks on his body" mentality. Insecure souls.

Fűck could that poor little boy have done to be treated like Jesus Christ? Spanking, grounding, yeah but leaving marks and injuries? That's animalistic.

Some are clearly not fit to be parents.

He even left marks on his scrotum? Scrotum ni'tori olorun? I'm done.

r231: says who

what do you have to say? Better stop listening to what these old men tell you about being monsters in bed. All na wash o.

ojsmscom: Women?
They ar as shameless as devil.with money they can engage gorilla and i mean it.

engaging a poor/avergae gorilla or engaging a rich gorilla, which is more shameful?

MadCow1: You underestimate the power of Cialis and Viagra swallowed with energy drink.

for middle-aged men, I can agree that viagra will work.

but 70/80 year old men with weak bones and not so healthy lifesytles? I doubt it.

Sëx in a bluemoon, yes, but not an active sex life.

bebe2: Says who?

I beg how dem take get their children?

No be 4 dat girl born for okoya?

Come tell us how dat take happen

so having 4 kids means they have an active sex life?

Sëx is different from sêx. There's sëx for making babies and sëx for pleasure (not mutually exclusive).

If those couples are having sêx at all its purely vanïlla (bland sêx; 3 minutes missionary style; for the sole purpose of procreation ).

Sparklesebony: Don't know about Oscar and his late gf. All i am saying is:Just because you were slapped, is not enough reason to disable or murder the person.

You will definitely go to jail on planet Earth. Don't know d one you mirgrated from.

If the intent wasn't to disable or murder, if it's self defense/ out of anger, you'll walk free with a good lawyer in a sane country. I can post tens and hundreds of court cases supporting my point. Should I?

Like I said, oscar's gf didn't even slap him and he's likely to get the minimum sentence for what he's charged for (pay a fine, or probation).

If you punch me, and I throw two punches back and you die, I won't go to prison with a good lawyer. My intent wasn't to kill you, but you died, so how's that my fault?

I know in NIgeria, the person with the least amount of injuries is always at fault.

finofaya: You forgot the wilted ex peni.s

Most of those couples don't have a sëx life. Duh. I few kisses here and there, cuddling etc; but not active sëx.

The women mostly have side nïggas that service them.

Nnachi404: that is called 50 50 game

Abi o.

It's mainly middle-class citizens that have problems with couples like these.

egift: My fellow young men, Go make yourself money - you can get a wife with any "accessories" you want - looks, height, shape, complexion, shape of head, legs, arms, love, loyal, respects, etc.
Whatever else you want her to do, she will be doing it as if her breath depends without you even stressing or asking.
Money is good. Don't waste your school fees and pocket money on Girlfriends that will abandon you anytime a good offer comes up.

Funny thing is, most of those women aren't from poor home themsleves. So if well-do-to women chase after you, imagine what the "ekaitte's and "sandra's will do to have you.

omenka: Men: Falling Mugu since 1600AD.

what mugu? You really think these men don't know what they're doing?

When there's money, you'll crave the finer things in life ; including beautiful and fresh women. The men don't mind spending their money on their "trophy" wives. The men even spend on the wives to show off.
A young beautiful lady is always a nice accessory.

The women get the money and perks, the men get their belly rubbed alongside nice looking women. Fair deal.

Also, don't forget that these men have older wives and older kids already, so the issue of them dying without kids is taken care of.

zboyd: First point.

Communication is a vital in a relationship. Refusing to talk things out is undermining the very fabric of the relationship. Not only is this a childish, immature way for adults to handle disagreements, it tends to hurt the feelings of the one you're 'punishing', when you refuse to talk things out and ignore their attempts to do so. That's emotional abuse.

Second point.

Steamy, make-up s-x is usually accompanied by billing, cooing, heartfelt apologies and lovey-dovey words. It is different from someone who wants to have s-x, after a big argument, when s/he KNOWS you're not in the mood and coerces or forces you to have s-x, as a way of 'showing love'. It's a form of marital rape. It's also a way of establishing dominance. After such an encounter, the feelings after the act are far from loving. That's the difference and that's abusive -- emotionally and physically. It makes you feel dirty, used and resentful.

err, they say, "don't speak when you're angry". So I can't cool off and have an alone time when I'm pissed at my partner because "he'd be hurt" by my silence? Isn't that selfishness ? I'll rather not talk till I'm "fit" to talk.


That's the point of make-up sêx; the thrill. At the beginning of the intercourse it may a little rough, but if your man's bed game is amazing, you'd forget about the fight before he cūms.


So, what you consider "abuse" is relative.

coogar: and only about 18% of engineers in america are females. the most intriguing part is more american females get admitted into universities STEM courses than men but they never follow it through to the very end....

whether the issue is motherhood or limited intellectual capacity, i don't know.....but to think more men with the genuine intention of reaching the engineering pinnacle are being denied admission to accommodate women who soon throw their engineering dreams away for domestic chores is quite disturbing!

1st world women throwing their dreams away for domestic chores? Shocking.

Gender equality.

Lamborghini: Alright, sorry. Good to know sensible women like you exist. And for the record there is nothing like gender equality, women don't and can never equal men in physical terms or intellectual terms. If anyone can't accept this fact they should kill themselves, I don't care.

Men are definitely more emotionally intelligent than women; a 1000%.

When it comes to intellectuals however; it's a tricky one. At the elementary and secdondary level of education, boys and girls are roughly on the same level.

when we get higher on the ladder; the university/demanding level, women tend to drastically fade away. They tend to go for psychology, communication; those useless courses sha. But when it comes to STEM courses, women are nowhere to be found.

Imagine, only 9% of engineers in the UK are females.

I wonder why. The blame it on mothehood.

Lamborghini: You're not female? And I was already rejoicing that a woman was the one showing all the objectivity on this topic. But its okay, other sensible women are on this thread.

I'm clearly female.

BluIvy: Well, am not sure in naija but in countries with clear policies and the UN these are well thought of policies which are fair and just to all genders. I am sure many of you would still like to see women without a voting right or not working in traditional men jobs like engineering etc, unfortunately its changed.

its not like women care for the "engineering" field anyways. Yeye.

less than 10% of British engineers are females. 1/10. Pfft.

Obinoscopy: A man and a woman are different physically. But intellectually, we're the same.

I even doubt women think they're equal to men intellectually. Women think men have super powers to "walk away" and be a "real man"; an ability that women themselves don't think they have.

Plus, someone just said its harder to be a man, wouldn't that mean men have larger brains.

preselect: my brother you wont believe how difficult this is today. this world we are living in is becoming more and more scary. over 60-70% of human beings will NOT accept that a woman is not supposed to hit a man. compare to 90-100% who agree that men should not hit women. we worry everyday about the likes of boko haram and isis, meanwhile right inside our homes, people are made to believe that women can hit men at random. so men will now live with the knowledge that they are at the mercy of their gf/wife's slightest physical whim.

some people just believe they have the right to hit people.
domestic domination.

there is a youtube video illustrating your point. Wish I could find it.

A girl was yelling at her boyfriend; hitting him, slapping him etc. Women gathered around to laugh at the man and record the "funny scence" on their phones.


Minutes later, the boyfriend started yelling back at the girl; he didn't even hit her o; just yelling. You should see the way the same women laughing earlier bombarded the guy and threatened to call the cops. They even told the girl to leave the relationship.


Gender equality my yansh.

Sparklesebony: On point.

If a man gives you a rib-breaking punch and you retaliate with a murderous blow, it's no dispute that you will be convicted for murder irrespective of who attacked first.

What are you talking about? In which part of the planet is this true?



Oscar postorious is about to walk free and his girlfriend didn't even attack him.

coogar: the guys who invented that quote consider women the weaker sex. so if you want sëx equality, stop looking for quotes that imply you are inferior to men.

reason why I don't take these feminists seriously. They choose to be feminists when it's convenient. Yeye people.

All of a sudden, being a man is harder than being a woman. If that's the case, Shouldn't special treatment be given to the men and not women?

coogar: so what makes a woman then? her ability to hit or spit at someone and cry wolf when she gets her comeuppance?

to be a man isn't a day job? by tomorrow, with your same mouth, you would say there's sex equality. your hypocrisy is alarming!!!!

you beat me to it.

BluIvy: Am lost on what exact example you referring to here but let humour you.

Both men and women have mouth which they run at will e.g. On Nl all run their mouth the same way sometime the men are even more potent with their mouths, so why can't he continue using this equal tool? There are laws against beating up another person, whether your wife or girlfriend. The world is not trying to create a boxing ring or a prison where women cannot say anything otherwise they will be knocked senseless.

I don't know which women you are talking about who do all those things but men stay in those relationship because they surely know and understand those kind of women. Samething applies, men should walk out of such relationships because they will surely over power hurt or kill a women if they choose instead to hit them. Whether in retaliation or as aggressors they will end up in jail or loosing something precious. The law is the law!

of course.

Lets hide behind the useless law that paint men as robots that don't have feelings.


women: eating their cake and having it since 1873.

armyofone: The ability of a man to restrain himself in a violent situation with the opposite sex is what makes him a man. To be a man is not a day job.
That knocked out punch was not cool no matter what.

Horseshït.

those are the kind of statements that make women think having a vagïna makes them a special snowflake.

BluIvy: Secondly, if men decide to use self defence in a case where a women is not armed women would be an endangered species in the near future. Can a woman's fist render a man unconscious? Or put him in a coma?

By knowing that, you would think women will run their mouths less.

if you know his fist will knock you into coma, why push/shove him? Why bite him? Why tear his shirt? Why spit on him? Or do women think men don't feel pain?

A classic case of wanting to eat your cake and having it.

⦁ "Give your partner the silent treatment for hours, days or even longer to punish him?

⦁Want to have sex after an argument and insist it's because you love her?"


How are these things abusive ? Ever heard of steamy make-up sêx?