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The Quran says God has given the land to isreal


Chapter [17.104] And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.

But Muslims and palestines say the that the land is there own.

Another confusion here please Explain

@babyosisi

That is the sign of baal worship, you see my sister that anything we do to the body has a meaning.

Another form of baal worship is where a cow is image made and the belly is made like an altar and a baby is thrown into a fire and the priests have sex there and then.

The same Muslim Shiite are waiting for An Ahmadi and this man will rule for 7years. This is the Antichrist. The Muslim are trained in Escatology and we Christian are only bothered about Money Money Money. They know The end is Nigh and they Know the Enemy.

The muslims have not seen anything( Evil that will be done to man) yet but they shall see but because satan had blinded them they will over look it. I am Still looking for the Abomination that maketh Desolate.

We have to Hold fast to the Faith that we have.

The Muslim people are being converted by God himself. But God needs us to love them and never Hate them They are baal worshipers in jewish Clothing.

@babyosisi

The hadith you quoted they will tell you is not Authentic, ask them which one is then? so that we can quote from it. I know this that is why I titled it "the Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? " If we go to the Hadith you would be amazed at the Evil in Islam.

I will come out with more Fraud from the Quran

The Son Of GOD, The Word was not created But was Made Flesh In Jesus. The EMBODIMENT OF GOD AND MAN.

@bari- kade

Col: 1 v

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16[b]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,[/b] whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

I think I have answered your question

The word Created all things Remember ( and God said let there be light)

@Shahan

We are Both saying The same thing only that you need to understand me slowly. He is from the beginning that is clear. He had appeared in various forms Physically on Earth never as human to be resident.

He came to The Earth as Jesus Christ (MOST HIGH GOD IN HUMAN FLESH LIVED FOR 33 YEARS). JESUS CHRIST IS THE EMBODIMENT OF MAN AND THE GODHEAD RECONCILED IN THE FLESH, NOW THAT WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF BEFORE HE BECAME FLESH JESUS.

NOW THIS NAME HAS BEEN EXALTED ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME BECAUSE OF THE GREAT WORK THAT HE HAS DONE TO MAN AND THE GODHEAD RECONCILING THEM BOTH.

EVERY FLESH WAS CREATED BUT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SEED THAT GIVES BIRTH TO RECONCILATION AND THAT IS WHY HE SEEMED DEBASED AND PEOPLE COULD NOT ACCEPT HIM AS THE MESSIAH. IF HE CAME IN ALL HIS POWER HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STAND THE SIN OF MEN.

YOU KNOW THAT THE MESSIAH IS GOD HIMSELF THE JEWS KNOW THIS. SO HE BECAME FLESH MEANS HE MADE HIMSELF FLESH (SACPEGOAT) BUT THE WORD OF GOD SON OF GOD ( THAT THE KING OF PERSIA SAW IN THE FURNACE WHEN THE THREE HEBREW WAS THROWN IN) WAS NOT MADE.

@Shahan.

If you go by the scripture you will see that in him do all things consist and there nothing that was created that was not done by him he is the high Servant or High Priest. I speaking in the Spirit and flesh. He is the creator of all things so he Created himself as Jesus Christ ( MAN) But In spirit he The Son Of God was never created. He came down and was made man as Jesus leaving all the power and authority as The Almighty God That I will forever worship to be become mortal man and that in his death and resurrection we might Have Zoe (life).

@8oracle


You should read the bible very well there is no where in the bible was Jesus refered to as the FIRST OF ALL CREATion. He is referred to as the First born of all creature. I will confirm this in the bible. When Adam and Eve sinned, Jesus (man form) was already Borne In the Seed form and he was before cain and abel but he was not born yet. he is truely the first born of all creature.

If you don't understand the bible please stop reading those tract that you are reading and take the bible yourself and start to learn it gradually in prayer God will show you the bible does not contradict itself.

@muske

I know what Discrepancy means and contradiction means.

please if you don't know a beg tell me so that I will send you the meaning

@8oracle

You Quoted the bible wrongly and this is the correct quote please dont do this again
Col: 1 Vers.
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

He is the first born of every creature means that he represents all the first born of every living thing and this means that he is the passover himself and must be worshiped. He was never Created he Created himself he was however born of a woman and this makes him a man and a complete man. His himanity and God ness are available in his life

@ Islam Pride

I quoted to you the Quraan and you never disputed this

004.082
YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

This is from the online text http://www.quranonline.net/cgi-bin/qexplorer.jsp
4:82 Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.


SOMEONE TRIED TO MAKE ME THINK I NEVER LEARNT ENGLISH AT ALL BUT I IGNORED THAT PERSON PLEASE EDUCATE ME OF THIS VERSE OF THE QURAAN. OR IS IT NOT IN THE QURAN YOU QOUTE THERE ARE LOT OF MORE DISCREPANCIES AND I WANT AN ANSWER TO THIS FIRST BEFORE I MOVE ON.

On the Issue of Mary. Muhamed was confused because he had heard of Various account of The virgin birth from fleeing Christians. I know from history that The Christian fled into lands of arabia and lived before the new mohamedan religion was started by Muhamed and That is why he sort to create a religion defended by the state.

With Christianity there is nothing like that. The rudiments of the christianity is submission to High Authority in the will and word of God. Christianity if there is anything like that, is being like christ. With Islam it is very different, you have a man as spiritual and military power, Muhamed was a Soldier not a prophet he wanted to create a Unifying religion and he made a campaign in the name of One God ( 3PERSONs) Theory that people were already dying for. You and I know how SOLDIERS BEHAVE. Muhamed was Allah soldier and you and I would agree the kinds of wars that were fought those times were very dirty. You should study muhamed personal life and you will see he was only a man that had a vision to form a state and Allah as the center. As a man he had numerous contradiction and I will debate you on then only lets us be civil and then we can hear ourselves. if you convince me I will Write a rejoinder and convert to Islam.

@ Islam Pride

I quoted to you the Quraan and you never disputed this

004.082
YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

This is from the online text http://www.quranonline.net/cgi-bin/qexplorer.jsp
4:82 Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.


SOMEONE TRIED TO MAKE ME THINK I NEVER LEARNT ENGLISH AT ALL BUT I IGNORED THAT PERSON PLEASE EDUCATE ME OF THIS VERSE OF THE QURAAN. OR IS IT NOT IN THE QURAN YOU QOUTE THERE ARE LOT OF MORE DISCREPANCIES AND I WANT AN ANSWER TO THIS FIRST BEFORE I MOVE ON.

@ Islam Pride

I have seen that you are not ready to dissect the quran. You seem to say that you dont know about the Quran and you are only emotional about the Quran. I have read very bad remarks about the bible and I have taken time to search and I was clear.

You seem to say that the Quran should never be cross examined because it is written in Arabic. In pre islamic Era was arabic not spoken you almost want to say that ARABIC = ISLAM Please there are alot of profane words in Arabic and you should make it seem as if Arabic is a language spoken by Angel.

I have met many people in my travels in the world Arabic language is just like Greek Portugese Urdu Swahili etc.

Please leave all out and let us Cross Check the Quran. Look at your mind you dont want to let us deal with the Quran. You must state if what I am saying is wrong and you agreed that you will be civil or that is what i thought

please tell me about the Quran

Please let us look at different translation of the Quran say about
004.082
YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

This is from the online text  http://www.quranonline.net/cgi-bin/qexplorer.jsp
4:82 Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.



I plead with all to hold on let me and Islam pride Disect the Al Quran
Ok thank you for accepting the debate we shall be civil and we shall take it one by one  bellow is the first one


1)

There is a passage in the Quran that describes the mother of Jesus of Nazareth as the sister of Aaron. It goes like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!’" (Sura 19:27-28).  

But Aaron, the brother of Moses, lived and died centuries before Mary, the mother of Jesus was born; and Aaron’s sister was Miriam, not Mary. In the Arabic language, the word for Mary and Miriam is the same word, (Maryam) perhaps the cause of this mistake. It is an error that an Arab of the 7th Century might make, to confuse Mary with Miriam, but not a mistake that the all-knowing Allah would make.  

The above error was discovered during Muhammad’s lifetime, and it was brought to his attention. He had an answer for it.    

His explanation went as follows: “The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitable Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326).  

There is no way that Muhammad could have known that this was the reason that Mary was called “sister of Aaron” in the Quran unless Allah told him. Mary is never addressed anywhere (and for any reason) as “the sister of Aaron” in any of the Jewish or Christian scriptures. So either Allah gave this explanation to Muhammad as the reason why Mary was addressed in the Quran as “the sister of Aaron,” or Muhammad lied.  

If we believe that Allah told this to Muhammad, then we have to wonder why, to avoid the appearance of an error in the Quran, Allah didn’t explain the use of the phrase “sister of Aaron” right in the Quran in the first place. For example, why didn’t the Quran say something like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought!’ And addressing her with a pious name of old, they said, ‘O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste’"? Surely Allah, being the greatest of all poets, could have found a beautiful, perfect way to explain this issue in the Quran.  

Allah has many attributes, but “stupid” is not one of them. Why did Allah allow His perfect book to be doubted and attacked for describing Mary as “the sister of Aaron” when Allah could have easily fixed the problem beforehand right in the Quran? Because Allah did not fix this passage, many believe that Muhammad was lying to cover a mistake that he, not Allah, had made. Note that Muhammad’s explanation nullifies all other possible explanations, such as the possibility that the brother of Mary mentioned in the Quran was a different “Aaron” from the brother of Moses.  

Also note that the Quran is a perfect book, but contains an imperfection that could have easily been corrected within the book itself, creating a contradiction of the most fundamental sort.  

Surely Allah knew that the phrase, “sister of Aaron” would be read as a mistake by many readers. He knew that the Arabic word for Miriam and Mary was the same word, pointing to an Arab (and who else but Muhammad?) as the likely source of this passage. For all these reasons, Allah had every incentive to correct this problem in the Quran so that it would not look like Muhammad’s mistake; but He didn’t correct it.  

Therefore, we conclude that Allah did not write the Quran.  

However it is very likely that this hadith was forged and falsely attributed to Muhammad. It is an attempt of the Muslims to whitewash Muhammad’s error.

Check this site for the Quotation
http://www.quranonline.net/cgi-bin/qexplorer.jsp

19:27 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.
19:28 O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
19:29 So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

I have tried to be short and brief so as to not be cumbersome.

@ Islampride My brother

If you read all my post you will see that I never engage insults and I will deal with the Issue. please give me quote of the pure translations so that I will read it and Apologise.

If you can prove what am saying is Wrong I will post a rejoinder. untill then you may insult me I will never respond to insult. Let us disect the Quran and the different Hadiths that exist.

I cannot convert you only Jesus can give me your Quran that you quote. let us now debate from your quran. even though you copied and paste I did not say you were a liar oh hmmm my brother dont be sad about this Quran lets us read it to ourself if i am wrong I will post a rejoinder and everyone will see it.

I know my redeemer liveth and he is nigh and he has never forgotten me. I did not learn Arabic. at moshay issue everyone that knows Islam well knows that this man was a Muslim before and he know he was on high to hell. Ali sina is not a Christian but knows that Islam is a religion that invents and manufactures hate. It is a manual for hatred.

I have meet several Muslims that are still practicing and they say that religion is filled with hatred. I wonder why our African brothers have not married a saudia Arabian or Iranian Muslim woman. please travel and see you understand what I am saying.

You see we are moving away from the topic and I want us to deal with the topic.

I don't hate Muslims but The Islam that control them and make them evil. I have stated in several post that the Innocent people are the Muslims and I have never plagiarized. I did not sell nothing to you so there is no way I have committed fraud.

I personally believe that The Kaaba is a house filled with evil spirits that kill the people every year when the hajj is performed but I chose not to expound this. I could go on and on about THE QURAN AND THE HADITH THE INJUSTICES IN THE SHARIA AND THE EPITOMIC LIES OF THE SHAHADAH.

If you come back Mr Snake I will quote you directly the Fraud from The different Hadiths and you will see that what made Mohamed popular was his military campaign and there is no difference between Hitler and Mohamed. You will also see the Hatred Manufacturing plant of the Quran that muslims have to religiously live by.

If you read Moshe's book that i read over a decade this led to my conversion You will discover that there more scathing remarks that I would have made I want you to please come back and let us deal with the topic I will debate you directly with your Quran.

@topic.

I will like to come back and respond to it.

BUT KNOW THAT ANY FORM OF DIVORCE IS A SIN. YOU MAY HOWEVER PUT A WOMAN AWAY IF SHE OR HE HAS COMMITTED THE SIN OF ADULTERY AND YOU MUST REMAIN UNMARRIED.

@Snake

If I typed solely my own view I would have fired and I know what I quoted is correct because I have checked with the Quran online

Dear Mr Snake,

I have proved the Quran false I have very personal view of the Quran some more Damaging and I share very bad view about the Quran and the Hadith I have read the Quran and I can say it is a bunch of Rubish that makes no Morality and Power.

The form of morality is supposed to be observed in Islam is for an elect few, The evil in the quran is clear that I have copied some of my postings from Ali Sina. He does not hold all the view I hold and he was a Muslim. I have studied an expect of Greek and I have a Audio Hebrew bible. On the Internet is The Al Quran. I attended an Islamic School and I initially Thought that all the million of Muslims that will die without Christ was not Just Right and When I knew him personally then I Understood.

I did alot of typing on my own and I never said that I typed all but there is no rule against Copy and paste, i msut say that I took time to read and EDIT It

My dear Brother IslamPride,

I was off the opinion that we could disscuss and argue with insulting people I went to an Islamic School and I have been debating Islamic School since I was a Youth.

I will never atack you but My attack is at the Quran and the Fraud and fallacy it represents. I f you are hurt at this I am sorry but I know what I know, I will never Insult you and Engae in Insult No matter what you say to me or my God Jesus Christ. I know you are angry that I am pickin holes at the Quran and Various hadiths arround but it is your right to be.

We cannot make sense me and you if we engage in insult, I cannot quote the Quran to calm you down because I know that it has no power over you. You tried to quote fake Summaries of the 1970 1960 written by secular religionist people to support your position on the Bible. You have the right to do that it is allowed in arguments but I will never Insult you.

The quran teaches Hate of the Highest form and in some parts it teaches some window dressing also, but i know everything that your Islam portrays atleast you have shown me in your post here. I cannot call you rakka (fool) because my Jesus(God) told me not to do so, and I love him so I will not call you same becauise I love him and love you. You or I cannot convert each other but we can make ourself see and the decision to Change is personal.


The issue is about the Quran and not one has taken me on the topic. I have time lets one by one go through it.

Shalom all

gist

Correction Pedophiles Marry aged women so that they can feed on their daughter May that was his training ground because you and I know that he was a Pedophile but he did it openly .

@prideoflslam,

Oh stone hearted men who told you that Christianity came by the White man First? The African Church has been in existence for a long time before the white men came and before Islam. We have the Egyptian Christian as a testimony Against you all. We have the Churches In Ethiopia Against you all.

You all know yourselves and no one will deceive me that the Black man never new anything about the bible before the European! We did not just take it Serious and that is why There is great religious persecution in Africa since we became serious with the God of all Flesh.

There is no need to attack me Please correct me that is all take your time to respond to me about my conception that the Quran is a book of Fraud and Lies.

Let Us Assume that the bible is also False Please for argument sake. Now prove to me that The Fraud and contradictions in the Quran is not true. I will never Insult anyone here and I will be civil here. I will only attack the hate and false hood that the Quran and Islam represent.

@robby


There is no Oga In the Godhead and that is the reason why there will be alot of disappointments when some people get to heaven and they see that the once that served will be blessed.

It is service that Exalts one in heaven and that is why the by says that he had exalted the name of JESUS (even above the father) Because he Jesus came to save the world That is a Great job (service) to do.

The Server is Greater than the Sender In Heaven it is the reverse here. The Angels clamor to serve because it their source of Joy.

so no need to think that because Jesus was sent then it must mean that He was lesser that God The Father.

They will dwell on other things I am happy that they read the scriptures and this is why some Muslims are converting

@babs

You dont know that there are alot of hadith even you yourself told me that there some hadith are not taken. Please there are nations that claim they are Islamic that are not following the Sharia.

you must know that when the Quran moves in the Limelight you will discover that there will be different version of Islam those pillars will be there but you will see that they will have no power.

Just wait you will see Gay Imams and other people twisting your 5pillars. so please dont rush yourself The god of this world is more powerful that you think throwing stones on him can do anything. The seat of evil will be in the Middle east and your Quran will have no power.

The food is being cooked and the time is at hand. You may say all kinds of things but the mighty are fallen and yet the weak say when shall we fight? There are division in Islam and because you cannot compare Islam to Christianity you will not be able to understand.

Islam Based on Government and Militarism and some Morality
Christianity is based on Personal relationship With God

@ Boladonas

A church without the good sheperd will be destroyed by wolf in sheeps clothing. The Church of God will March on and The gates of hell cannot prevail. You and I know that some things that happen in the churches that practice nudity or allow it have problems that cannot be mentioned. It does however mean that this does not happen in Deeperlife.

The doctrine I received in deeperlife is from the Bible and I have seen the light in it even though I dont attend it now. I personally have seen things that the Holy spirit has shown me and that I need not be deeperlife to know. I know in the USA for instance that majority of AFRICAN AMERICAN love Tv and most of the black are Unconsciously or consciously try to be White.

You will Agree with me that we have an Identity Problem because there is no Perfect Black man in the media which is a creation of man, this doesnt mean that it is wrong but we are creating PS2 and TV CHILDREN that are selfish and dont care about other people.

Look at Nigeria it is becoming a country where people are just building houses like fortress the people have the Tv and the kids are controlled by TV because there is no spirit of love but the spirit of fear which the TV is known to spew out.

I can go on and on but know that all the deeperlifers follow is in the bible. Their are cultures that are evill and if you know the history you will know that by the holy Ghost you will be directed by the Scriptures. WF KUMUYI when i listen to him I am enlightened and it is as if I never read the bible before. He lives a holy life and he is humble as for him he may go home soon but there will be more after him.

He is just a man he can falter but the word he has preached in the Scriptures no man can falter.

@malik

Why I said that The holy host is The Captain of The Lord of Host is The Replicate command given to Joshua in Joshua 5 is the same given to Moses at the Burning Bush then when the disciple were baptised in the holy Ghost remember flames of tongues. Well I am happy that we can try to look for the truth and have our own mind in the truth this is the replicate nature of God where the Holy Ghost the father and the son act and they are similar that you need the holy spirit to see them distinctively.

I can not categorically say that it is the Holy Ghost but I know that What ever anyone says We have a triune God (Elohim) Jesus that has appeared as God the Word in human flesh Worshiped by man and angels.

@Omot208

I thank God that he was able to help you reconsider the understanding of his deity.

I will just round up with

Joshua 5

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand; and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him: 'Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?'

14 And he said: 'Nay, but I am captain of the host of the LORD; I am now come.' And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said unto him: 'What saith my lord unto his servant?'

15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua: 'Put off thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy.' And Joshua did so.

But notice in Revelation where john wanted to bow down to an angel he was prevented to do so. The Captain of The Lord's Host is The Holy Ghost he is The Commander in Chief of The Heavenly forces he is God. He could not be an Angel bowing down to an angel is not tolerated.

all fructose and monosacaride sugar is wine based but it is soft wine when it is converted to alcohol by fermentation it is no more soft wine.

@m4malik

You can only try to explain.
I have posted my answers in the most civil manner I could I cannot convert a soul. I leave the remainder for God The Holy Ghost.

I had explained from Isaiah and Revelation why he had to be God to save Us but My sister keeps moving and picking she says it is very hard to understand me and yet she responds to me.

If you look she only quotes one aspect to support a doctrine. A doctrine in Scripture is made up of several backings not one quote. because out of 2 or more witness a truth is established that is the rule of Expounding a doctrine.

I cannot go on but I am happy that we discussed christ and she is very much Educated, as paul said that christ may be preached.

I repeat if Jesus is not God Christians are doomed.
I rest my case.

@Omotob

First Of all I am a Student of Escatology and I am very sad That I took my time to quote carefully to you in OT and NT but you just browsed through all I took time to explain. I have been Studying Revelation since 1992.

I have studied revelation and You dont know me so how do you know I am not a scholar. I have explained to you where Jesus calls himself THe Almighty. You did not dispute this with any scripture.

I have quoted the bible very well you just pick from what I say and you dont use the same bible to disqualify me. I cant not convert you That is the work of The Holy Spirit God.

In English there is PRONOUN AND NOUN. ELOHIM AND ELOAH are nouns not Pronouns The "E" is the first person Plural in the yoruba language this is used to Address an elderly person.

No one can say you should not read Revelation, for he hath choosen babes to declare is word you dont need to be a Scholar to read revelation.

Please RemQuote the

@omoto208

You have a made another mistake. I am A yoruba man myself there is a very big difference when using "E" and ''Won'' This is like using pronoun "He" and "Them" There no way you can Transliterate. It is Expressional Respect so don't go like that. There so many words in Yoruba that have no translation. THE YORUBA LANGUAGE HAVE VERY GREAT EXPRESSIONAL SAYING. If I say In yoruba " Woni kpe" and "O ni Kpe" "E Ni Kpe" which means "He (elder)or They said"   "He said"  "He(elder person) said"  These are Pronouns and not never real names  I WILL ASK YOU DID PRONOUN EXIST BEFORE THE NAME?      THE NAME ELOHIM AND ELOAH ARE NEVER PRONOUNS THERE ARE REAL NAMES.  Infact In yoruba that you are Using gives a very Good Example,

Awon Olorun means The gods
Olorun Means God

But In Hebrew God Elohim existed before The word Eloah so you see that The Plural form of God is Hebrew tells us that The plurality of God If I could see you I will show you In the Hebrew manual Text. The JEWS KNEW THAT THERE WILL COME A MESSIAH BUT THEY EXPECTED A MILLITARY ONE THAT WILL DELIVER THE FROM ROMAN OPPRESSION AT THAT TIME WHEN ROME WAS AN EMPIRE.

If You are very conversant with the jewish nation now you will see that they still expect the messiah.  You see if Jesus is not God we are doomed because no none is worthy to carry our sins. 

You see Lucifer is an Angel and he sinned against Elohim and wanted to Overthrow the God head and he took a third of The Angels with Him and The angels could not Atone for his sins.

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Look at his Offense

And in verse 13

And thou saidst in thy heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, above the stars of God will I exalt my throne, and I will sit upon the mount of meeting, in the uttermost parts of the north;

We are made Higher than Angels In the Spiritual realm Reason is that We have Free Will i.e We can Choose Evil or Good. So who will die for us Angels? NO

Let me now Go to Revelation where I was holding my peace. Please read carefully and be directed

Revelation :1 v  8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Here Jesus is reffered to as the Almighty.

Let us read why we need a worthy God to die for our sins, This is very complex please read The whole Revelation Chapter 5 with care and you may have to look at your bible.
In verse  2

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

You see the Question of Worthiness arises  A Strong Angel Ask The Question

Johns Dismay and fear that we are Doomed as Christians
Read verse

3 And no man in heaven, nor[b] in earth[/b], neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4[b] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy [/b] to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

If you read down You see that Jesus took the book

5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


My brother Omot208 if you read In verse 8 immediately he took the book and the ELDERS BOWED DOWN AND WORSHIPED HIM

Some will say they bowed down as a sign of respect Okay make we go down and I will quote

14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Jesus was worshiped here ( remember thou shalt worship no other ELOHIM) Scripture can not be broken.

Please I have Quoted The bible The Final Authority as a student of the Bible I want you to Quote me so that i can dig dieep.
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