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~Sauron~:
Thatz what you do. . . .Thatz what u sound like. Creaming your nether region to get high/
Sauron is an ELF?? U must be an illiterate.

See ma face via the internet?? This boy is hallucinating.
Seek the help of TB Joshua.

Your moronic opinion. It does not count!!!

Your intelligence quotient is not high enough to bash Sauron.
5000 Bamsyles can't touch ma shadow(never mind touching me).
Moral of the story: Bow down to a power greater than you.

I will now ignore your animal rants until i see signs of improvement from you.
Adios.

What's your prob with this elf thingy You wanna know what an elf is Ok, an elf is known for being mischievous . . . usually tiny, ugly and mischievous thing in 'em fairy tales . . . When two things look/behave alike, then it's natural to compare 'em to each other . . . doesn't that description fit you ^{*always up to no good*} Sure you never read 'em Enid Blyton books so you won't know . . . you were most prolly settin' traps back in yo' village when school was in session . . .

See your face via the net Whoever mentioned that? So, with your so-called IQ, you don't recognize when I use figurative expression You don't understand when someone says "The feeling in the air was so thick one could touch it" You must be Jenifa's beau

Who's interested in touchin' a failure/weirdo Someone whose best rapper makes him scamper to google all-a-time

W-E-I-R-D-O.

@Lalaboi

Keep enjoyin' yourself . . . I know you are

~Sauron~:
Calling Sauron an Elf even shows how ignorant you can be.
Stop displaying your stupidity on this forum.

Tsk tsk. . . . .Were you raised in the gutter??

I really mean it when i use those words. You cannot argue like someone with nous.
U tend to lump everything together like a Philistine.

Anutha done deal of defeat for you.
It's an art. . . . . .There's nothing you know more than i do aside your serial wanking.

Go home and self-service, bruv. . . . . .U have been sonned.

Anger over what?? U need the anger management.
What we do here is the PG-version of what i argue on Sports section every matchday.
You are not fit for purpose and you are a massive failure in when engaged in a rap debate.

'Playin' cool' won't solve yo' problem. You need help

Same ol' Sauron . . . self-service self-service self-service - why do you keep tellin' us what you do when you're down and out

You're so annoyed I can see the flush on yo' face

Canibus is no where near Nas, hit yo' face on the wall if you don't like it . . .

And there goes another "Sauron bashing"

@topic

I love lyrics but not the type that Canibus spits

^{*Jeez, I'm ROTFLMAO*}

Dude was good with 'em metas and punchlines. Delivery ain't bad too. He's also got a good voice that'll grab attention - that's his strongest point and if he could harness and enhance it, he's not far from blowin' up.

MI sounds smoother 'neways . . .

~Sauron~:
You are a bigger disgrace and you have the brain power of a SLUG.

So what has changed? I said Nas is up there in the league of the elite. Tottenham is in the same league as Chelsea does not EQUATE them, poof!!!
Can you not see Canibus in the list i made up even as far back as July?? Where is the descrepancy??
Of course, relatively, Nas is loads better than T.I, Lil Wayne, MIM and Soulja boy(Those are division 2 rappers)

I said Nas is up there with the likes of Jigga, Biggie, Pac, Canibus, Dre etc but even iif he's in that group they are not EQUAL.
If we narrow the focus on the group of elite i mentioned, you will find out the marginal difference between each n everyone of them.
U are beginning to exude the character of a street urchin who just barks without making sense.

You are an ignorant bastard. Where did i say 50 is better than Nas because he is richer??
This dude pack a bag of lies in his loins. I said commercially, 50 is bigger than Nas. Where did i say 50 is better than Nas lyrically??
Are you an idiot? Everytime i compare cats based on one lineament, you open your disease-infested mouth to say they are better in total package.

Commercial wise, 50 is better than Nas. Lyrically, Nas is better than 50 but he come short in comparison to Canibus.
They all have their strengths n weaknesses. As a total artiste, Canibus is not even near Nas by a country mile.
Lyrically, Canibus will eat Nasty Nas' verbiage. If u cannot understand that, kill yourself, abeg.

Look at this idiot savant. U are the one with 2-brain cells.
Even in the normal Nairaland battle. There are different things to look at.
Metaphors, flow, wordplay, punchlines, multis, etc. So if Ibime tops the grade in Metaphors and punchlines but his opponent beats him in the other 3 categories and WIN. Does that mean the opponent has a better punchline than Ibime?? Of course not but as a total netcee, he is better than Ibime.
Use your head and stop spilling balderdash like a lobotomised ape.

Another waste of bandwidth. I was rating em commercially not what they spit, dork!!!

As an artiste?? ROFLMAO. . . . . .What a tyke!!! Did i ever tell you i was an artiste.
A miscreant like you who is not even known to be proficient in anything you do. U come to the music section and download the stuffs you read on Wiki and you thump your chest, is that your intelligence?? U don't even know the art of writing lyrics. U are yet to drop any topicals of note.
U can't make words rhyme together unless you are citing Rakim's lyrics. U are a waste of space and investment.
Money spent on you shoulda been used to buy trojan condoms. I am sick and tired of seeing idiot savants like you trolling this forum
Go get a life.

Still more piffle from a brainless verminous cretin.
Don't u have anything else to do apart from arguing blindly in a debate you have lost?
You are the one begging for attention here. U cannot seperate different categories that makes an artiste great.
Christ!!! U conveniently lump everything together like a mysophile that you are.
Eldee: TI is cuter than Nas.
Bamsyle: Eldee, how can you say TI is BETTER than Nas.
Thats how retarded you sound sometimes.

Leave those words for yourself.

The kind of life i live is the type you pray for everyday in Nigeria why slapping mosquitoes feeding on your face.
U are priggish, pseudo-authoritative and what you stand for makes me nauseous.
Go get a life and re-educate yourself. U have not changed from the Bamsyle i left his face in poop some months ago.
Ma advice: Go to a rehab and sort out the demons speaking to you.
Asshole.

See this elf trying to wriggle out of the tight corner he's put himself in

If you like call all the names under heaven and give them to your family - it doesn't change the fact that you're not fit to be called a human being . . .

Your "cretinous vermin", "liliputan", "lobotomised ape", "idiot savant" et al does not change the fact that you always shoot yourself in the leg when boxed into a tight corner

This is another done deal It's a wrap yo

When next you post anything else sensible on this topic, trust me that I'll give you a befitting response. Till then, trust me I'm just laughing at you - I won't even waste ma time on this cos there's nutin sensible enough to warrant a reply in your post - you contradicted yourself bro

See Sauron having spasms of anger

~Sauron~:
This irritating leprechaun won't just give up with his asinine comments and empty reasoning.
We are debating and talking about rappers generally so why won't the debate go here n there?? East/West Coast beef will definitely revolve around the names of rappers so if you cannot cope with the magnitude of the debate, then resign. Reading Wikipedia won't help your cause here.
It's easy to know you know nowt about the rap game.

Your attempt to be funny is so weak if you were a sperm, you wouldn't fertilise an ovum.
Nas is not even in the top 10 of the richest rappers in the world so tape it shut. Just because you cream yourself over him does not make him rich.
After how many years/albums, what is his worth?? His best album(Illmatic) took 7 years to hit platinum. His last album is not yet a platinum album so what are you on about?? Prove to us Nas is richer than 50 otherwise remain mum.

It seems you were abused as a child. Breathe easy and read with your eyes open.
Nas is a commercial failure(he does not sell records like he should) but he gives his fans what they want. There are many rappers in this category(but most of them are not mainstream).
Wu-tang(They never switch their mentality), their fans get what they want but commercially they are nowhere. Ras Kass, Killah Priest, Immortal Technique, Canibus, Method Man, Redman etc.

You are beginning to sound like an idiot. For instance, Rakim is loyal to his fans. He would never do commercial stuffs or go pop to make an album.
He is loyal to his fans but commercially he will fail. The reason people like 50, Eminem, Jay-Z and Lil Wayne are successful is because they mix the two together. Plenty of radio-friendly beats + Hardcore. Commercially, most of their singles would be accepted worldwide by fans and the hardcore fans still get their share of their album. You can be loyal to your own fans and still fail commercially, doofus!!!!

Spermflakes must occupy where your brain-cells should be.
After 15 years of bursting into the rap game, even Nas would tell you he is not fulfilled.
Why was Jigga dissing him on "Takeover". . . . . .
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic"
That's a one hot album every ten year average.

After 15 years, Nas does not have his record label, he has declined, the knowledge he used to kick is no longer there.
He lost all credibility when he went back to Jay-Z.
Even a rat like Young Jeezy affirmed that when he said Nas is just all mouth. Go and read the exclusive interview.

If it's worth 0 cent then it means your motor neurones have refused to carry the messages your brain sends.
Were u paid exclusively to be a plonker on this section??
I said Blueprint 2 was a better diss track than Ether. . . . .In the Angie Martinez show that pitted Nas n Jay-Z.
They used Nas' "Ether" versus Jigga's "Super Ugly"(a 2 min track) and fans voted based on those songs. Blueprint 2 woulda whupped Ether.

Stop foaming in the mouth like a kid suffering from photo-sensitive epilepsy. . . . .
Where did i ever say there was a King Of NY feud when Biggie was alive?? All i said was why did Nas have to wait for 5 years before telling us about his Biggie wars when he coulda conveniently mentioned it in the 3 albums he released before God's Son??

So what if Jigga sampled Nas. . . . .He already replied Nas "You made it a hot line, i made it a hot song". . . .Takeover(Blueprint)
Nas was inconsistent. Creaming himself over Biggie in 1999, releasing what ensued and the Biggie wars in 2002.
What a kike!!!

You lack mother wit!!!
Why shouldn't he go into the story-telling?? Cheese n Rice. . . . .Why bother at all. Shit happened the previous 5 years and then he still opened his gap-toothed mouth to tell us about Biggie wars?? He was just jealous Biggie saw more potential in Jigga than him. QED.
I remember Biggie saying if there was one rapper that could give him a run for his money, Jigga would fit that bill.

Alabai had more wits and intelligence than Modenine.
To be successful in the Naija rap game, you need latitude, uniqueness and inimitable.
I am yet so see his album but "Voice Of God" eclipsed whatever Modenine has done in his 40 odd years. 'Nuff said.

Nas used to be a god, you idiot.
I have all his albums on ma iPod and if he makes another album tomorrow, i would be the first to cop it on i-tunes. I know his weaknesses and his strengths. He could make the odd one or two thought-provoking songs like "One Mic" or "One Moment" but abeg. . .he cannot touch Canibus on lyrics.
You are not an illiterate. Put your sub-literate status to test and google Bis' lyrics and see what 1,000,000 hip hop forums say about him.

So u expect 2Pac to name all the rappers on the East Coast to show his contempt?? Are you bird-brained.
Someone said i am beefing the East Coast until they disassociate themselves from Biggie. It was 2pac versus ALL the NY rappers in 1996.
If you were a rapper in NY then, 2Pac hated you. Pure plain and simple.

You are a person. . . . .Any mediocre can have a best work??
Jeeez. . . .U might need to thaw out the 2-brain cells you have got. The album many pundits put next to Illmatic and was easily the best hip-hop album in 2003 is what you classify as shit?? Your sub-normal intelligence makes me sick to my stomach.
Nigeria keep producing half-baked graduates like you with little or no nous. You are not better than a tomfool.

U have a retarded way of making senseless analogies. Canibus lines are more though-provoking than anyone out there(his main weakness).
He makes 11 types of "One Mic" and after fans listen n listen there's no dance track. Something Jay-Z, Nas, 2Pac wouldn't do.
Jigga/Nas would make 2-3 thought provoking songs on an album and go pop with the rest of the tracks in an album while Canibus would give you "Cemantics", "Psych Evaluation" and "Poet Laureate Infinity". Who makes 1000 bars of thought-provoking shit to cook the brains of his fans??
U are a fool for comparing Canibus to Nas as far as thought-provoking works are concerned.

U need a nordic track to push your weight around here, dawg!!!
Go and do more research. . . . .Come back when you have a better defense not the drivel you keep ptyalising like a lummox.
Take your time as much as you can to reply. I will be waiting to pound you more.
U tyke!!!

This dude is really irked.

You're a disgrace to any and every thing you're associated with . . .

Just a few months ago . . . July 15, 2008 to be precise . . . in a thread tagged "Is Nas Still Rap's Best Lyricist?" . . . on this same NL . . . you posted this:

"Without a doubt, he would make anyone's top 2 if not the BEST OVERALL.
I have been listening to his new album since last night and this nigga's knowledge is just top draw.
His width, delivery and punch-lines are so on point!!!!"

In the same thread, you also had this to say:

". . . Nasty Nas ripped it!!!!

It was worth the wait last night. . . . . me n Eldee were counting down till itunes released it at 12 on the dot!!!
The intro was the best i have heard from Nas. . . . He was slicing the beats like hot knife on butter.
His lyrics are reborn, new improved and top notch.

A definite MUST-BUY. It's inarguably the best RAP ALBUM this year."

Again . . . in the same thread . . . in a reply to a certain poster with the moniker "The Sly" . . . you said this:

"Mr SLY, how can u compare anything T.I. spits to what Pharaoh Nas would slurr??
Nas is a prophet. . . .T.I. is a nursery rhymer.
It's just unfortunate that garbage moves more units these days but pure rap heads would rather listen to Nasty Nas than T.I. or Soulja Boy.
Simply put, don't put Nas in the category of the new generation MCs like Lil' Wayne, T.I., Soulja Boy, Yung Berg or MIM.
Nas is up there with em Jigga, Big, Pac, Em, Dre, Canibus, etc."

(- all from https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-140450.32.html)

Few months later, Nas sucks to you. He's not even as good as Soulja Boy. Even Jay-Z that you've castigated in a lot of threads is better than Nas . . . to refresh yo' memory, The Sly was rating TI above Nas cos he felt he's richer . . . you reproved him for that . . . you even placed Nas on the same pedestal with Canibus . . . here, you rate 50 Cent above Nas cos he's richer . . . even Pac is on your list of greats with Canibus . . . the "best rap album in 2008" is now the worst album ever within the first two months of 2009 . . .

Are you not pathetic

You may be irked . . . but you're still required to make sense when you talk . . . why did you go to school if you can't just use yo' brain

That big mass of cells in yo' head is not a decoration. It's a brain. Use it.

We're talking 'bout someone who spits intelligently and you're here talking money. No wonder we now have a lot of graduate robbers . . . guys like you do not believe in realness . . . you just believe in quick money . . . If 50 Cent made money from selling water, how's that related to his music skills? Why not go to the biz section of NL and discuss that there

I already know your tactics so I won't waste ma time on this. When all your weak points are knocked off with basic facts, you resort to abuses. You use words like "plonker", "asinine", "idiot", "cretinuous liliputan" Why don't you dig up more words - we're tired of these ones You expended so much bandwith on such a long post and yet you said nutin new . . . no iota of sense whatsoever . . . as a graduate - you're a waste . . . as an artiste, you're a monumental failure . . .

Even if you stand for nutin else, at least be consistent in yo' reasoning. Why does your brain keep dangling like a pendulum Neither here nor there . . . tomorrow 50 Cent would be better than Biggie . . . all cos you must win an argument . . . is this what your life is all about

You just need attention . . . maybe you've always suffered from deprivation . . . all your wasted life . . .

No need to talk much about the Modenine issue . . . I'm not even a Modey fan . . . I just keep ish simple 'n' real . . . we all know why you have issues with Modenine . . .

I got these words for you: It's not too late to make sumn out of your life . . . pick up the smithereens of your life and pray God'll help you patch it up

sina25:
please how can i post on nairaland

By doing exactly what you just did . . .

~Sauron~:
Yet anutha heap of fuckery with distorted facts and personal opinion you keep forcing people to believe.
How much is Nas worth compared to 50 cent??

50 cent WILL BUY NAS. . . . .U can take that to church or anywhere else. Nas as a rapper does not even make records for the money.
He stays loyal to his fan so commercially, he is a failure like most of the underground cats out there.
I still stand by ma theory that Nas is a featherweight to 50 cent in terms of $$$ $$$ $$$.

Do u read Forbes, ignoramus?? Do i have to be 50's manager to know how much he rakes in annually??
Coca Cola bought his small share in his Vitamin drink and paid him $400 million and you are here ptyalising hokum.
If the water was such a bad business why would Coca-Cola of all brands pay $4 billion for it??

Lopsided thinking. Below average IQ. Same ol' garbage . . . recycled a hundred times over and over again. Just won't focus on the topic. From Nas to 2pac. From 2pac to Canibus. Then Jay-Z. Now it's 50 Cent. Why don't you just sit down and think before you post Why're you always in a hurry to post What was your childhood like

I'm done arguing over sturvs like - "50 Cent is the richest man in the world", "50 Cent will buy Nas, Sauron and Canibus", "50 Cent will buy Dangote" You're sinkin' by the milisecond . . .

Hear yourself: Nas "stays loyal to his fan so commercially, he is a failure like most of the underground cats out there". I've told you that you lack articulating skills. Why not always write sturvs that people can quote anywhere You major so much on minors that you always miss your point - narrowly. And when one tries to put you back on track, you just keep thrashing wildly about. Why don't you just admit that you need help

Why can't you just reason like someone who passed through school Someone who stays loyal to his fans is a failure commercially Who are the peops that'll buy your CDs Who are the peops that'll pay to come for your shows Who are the peops that'll stake their money to see you rise

Your thinking is defective. You think it's a general rule that anyone who stays loyal to his fans is a commercial failure? Not all artistes are like Canibus who has no fan base. That's why LL told him 99% of his fans don't exist. Get this into your head hombre - As an artiste, when you have a proper fan base, you've taken the most important step in yo' career. Maybe you don't even know Nas. Nas is one of the few cats who have managed to remain relevant in both the underground and mainstream circles. That's sumn Canibus would never achieve. He was tellin' LL that 99% of his fans are females . . . but at least he has credible fans!!! Who are Canibus' fans Retards like you!

Which die-hard Jigga fans did Nas convert?? Jigga finished Nas with Blueprint 2 but of course, people wanted Nas to win the battle.
Jay-Z lost the battle in the eyes of hip-hop listeners after he did it the 2Pac way that he slept with Nas' girlfriend. Jigga's mother was pissed and asked him to apologise. Women were pissed because they felt Jigga was a misogynist who gets high dissing women.
The so called battle was decided by fans who called in to punt their votes so shut up and stop blabbing heresy.

You're beginning to sound like a wounded dog . . . that's what you get for runnin' yo' mouth at me . . .

Why not post the lyrics of both wars here so we'll critic 'em bar for bar

You tend to believe that the whole world reasons the way you do. If that's the case, then the world is doomed

All you typed up there is worth 0 cent. Just add IMO (In My Opinion) to it and go to sleep . . . no one's listening to you.

He did not reply a lot of disses cos he is a coward. His hands were forced to reply Jay-Z and he was even crap with the disses.
A lotta cats just felt for him generally and he took the spoils. If we lay out the lyrics line after line, Blueprint 2 whups it loud and clear.
Last Nigga Alive was a weak attempt. . . .Talking about Biggie wars after Biggie passed away. Last Real Nigga alive was on God's Son album in 2002.

Biggie died in 1997. . . . .So Nas skipped the story in his 2 albums in 99(I Am + Nastradamus), Skipped it in 2001(Stillmatic).
How authentic was his fairy tale?? Who can confirm it?? Dead Biggie!!
Why didn't Nas tell this story on "We Will Survive" when he was creaming his nether region for Biggie and comparing him to Allah??
U need to put a cock in it and stop arguing like a tard, abeg. Your buffoonery is getting me ticked.

Your mental faculties need a visit to the factory . . .

Was there any need for a "King of New York" feud when Biggie was still alive When Biggie was alive, he wore the crown and sat firmly on the throne . . . and deservedly so. Before Biggie's death, the relationship between the two rappers was that of respect, with Jay-Z giving Nas props in several of his albums. There was just a quiet tension that did not culminate into a rivalry until after Biggie's death - cos each felt he deserved the throne mo' than the other.

Even after Biggie died, Jay-Z continued to show Nas respect. In his "Where I'm From", he spat; "Who's the best MCs? Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas". He also sampled Nas' voice from his song "Represent" on his track, "Rap Game/Crack Game". Nas took all this ish as Jay's cockiness and, referencin' Biggie, released "We Will Survive" where he spat;

"But, now competition is none, now that you're gone
And these n****s is wrong - usin' your name in vain
And they claim to be New York's king? It ain't about that".

That was just the beginning of the war. The rest is now history. Why would he need to go into all that story-telling at the very beginning Read through as many debates/forums as you can and hear judgments from fans and critics alike about the feud. Sometime later, a Hot 97 radio phone-in prog pitted "Ether" and "Supa Ugly" against each other and Nas won. What are you on

You continue to display your moronic tendencies. For a so-called lover of lyrics who dismisses Modenine's lines as crap, prefers Ruggedman's lines, and calls Alabai the best rapper in Naija . . . what are you

It's funny how some people change . . . just a few months ago . . . I still remember you in some other Nas thread . . . you joined Eldee to eulogise Nas . . . that was when we were still waiting for his Untitled album . . . you jumped on i-Tunes and quickly copped his album . . . now in your bid to win a debate at all costs . . . you despise him . . . how inconsistent can you get

U lack horse sense. . . . . .How many names would he drop in a studio interview with Sway. He said it loud and clear he was beefing with the big brothers in the East coast. The ones who dissed em that West Coast songs were rubbish. Who are the Big brothers? The pioneers!!! So who are the pioneers? The Rakims of this world. Jeeez.

It was an interview. As at the time that interview was made. . . . .It wasn't supposed to be made into any album.
He was just talking generally about the way things were. It was not a battle song. It was what it was. . . .an interview.
Pac said the only reason he would not diss East Coast rappers was if they seperate themselves from Biggie. That was pure in ma opinion.

Whats wrong with your gumpton, hombre?? He had all the Big Boys in mind.
They all cussed the west coast for making shit songs with the whole G-funk thingy. Go and listen more.
He talked about LLcool J in Silver suit dancing with ladies. He said that was shit but he had to support it cos Rap music needed a face in that era.
I cannot continue to lecture you here, dawg!!! Get some rap education.

Your sense is muddied . . .

When did Rakim refer to West Coast songs as rubbish Just read yo' post again and see how you drew yo' conclusions . . . Big brothers = pioneers. Pioneers = Rakim. Do you walk on your head

It was an interview . . . So? That it was an interview means he shouldn't mention names? Are you an elf? I won't even waste ma precious time on this one.

I never used that excuse for Canibus. I only corrected your ERROR when you said Canibus sampled everyone's beats to make "Rip The Jacker"
Till date, the album was critically acclaimed as his best work so it didn't matter whether he was present when Jedi made the album or not.
I only cleared the air that Bis didn't even know which beat was on which lyrics, capice??

Sensible ma ass. . . . . . .90% of your tales are erroneous.
U don't pay attention to the main feature. . . .U tend to pick things that are not relevant in a debate.
What has the sampling of Fela's beat gotta do with Canibus' supremacy in rap lyrics??

That it was critically acclaimed as his best work means shiite to me . . . any mediocre can have a best work . . . his best work doesn't square with Rakim's worst work . . . you're still on that "he didn't know the beat" sh*t . . . that's dumb . . . close your ears and listen to yourself talk . . . that way, you'll reduce your nauseating babblings and reduce the nuisance you currently constitute . . .

"Supremacy in rap lyrics" Just cos he's a punchline rapper or he uses big words does not make him the best lyricist . . . if I tell you again that you have a prob with English Language or semantics, you'll start crying . . . Is Rap all about punchlines Are Bis' lines as deep and thought-provoking as Nas' We're talking lyrics - not punchlines. We're talking about shapes, you mention triangles and claim that's what shapes are all about - do you see the defect in your reasoning Your reasoning keeps obeying the "Law of Diminishing Returns"

How many times will I tell you that if you've got nutin to say, just walk away . . . quietly

~Sauron~:
U got carried away and went off tangent to say 50 cent's empire will collapse and i disagreed.
How has that changed the tone of the debate?? I said in the commercial scheme of things, 50 cent should be applauded.
It took him 5 years to eclipse what Jay-Z and P.Diddy laboured to achieve in 15 years.
Forbes 1-2-3(I get money-remix) would give you a clue.

This dude keeps farting in here . . . "The commercial scheme of things"

Are we in a Business class Topic says Lyrics V. Rhythm and you're referring to "commercial scheme of things" You stated that 50 would buy Nas et al and I showed you how flawed yo' argument is - Ces' fini. Nigguh I'm done with that. If we go deeper into this theory of yours and you take the sucker punch, you'll come around and say "money ain't a thang" - Same ol' Sauron . . .

50 cent is not Tyson. He is making money from various investments.
He is growing at the rate of speed of light with the things he keep dipping his hands into.
Nas lost his credibility. His die-hard fans couldn't stomach the fact that he is now under Jay-Z after the 2001/2002 face off!!!!

Yeah right. Why not wait till the whole drama unfolds dawg Are you Fiddy's account manager?

There you go again - always cookin' up some fairy tale . . . Nas "under" Jay-Z. Nas "lost his credibility". Nas converted even die-hard Jay fans with that battle Always run background checks before you rap off-beat. You know nada about Nas so you're even unfit to make comments about him. If you knew, you'd have known that Nas likes to "play down" beefs. He's not someone to get into unnecessary beefs at every opportunity. Despite the fact that he's got a caustic tongue, he's always suing for peace. Eldee needs to explain this to you.

Check Nas' records - dude chose not to reply a lot of disses directed at him by different artistes - both direct 'n' indirect . . . In Jay's case, he felt he just couldn't stomach his arrogance any more . . . that's why he dissed him. And that's why when the tables turned around, he was quick to accept the olive branch and sheath his sword . . . he never even liked the Jay-Z war in the first instance . . . go listen to "Last Real N***a Alive" and be educated.

"Old school" pre-dated the East Coast/West Coast beef. . . .It seems you ignorance stretches back to the mid-90s.

From 2Pac's mouth: I love the east coast. . .I from the east coast, but they have to understand you just can't be saying shit about us and think we're not gonna take it personally. .  . . .You just can't be calling us fakers and pretenders and non-creative and say we can't freestyle. . . .and we just sit back and say 'Naw it's cool 'cause we love them because they started hip hop'. Hell no, we're gonna take it personal, just like a kid would when his bigger brother who ain't doing his shit steps to him. That's like a little brother making lots of cash and the bigger brother comin' along and sayin' 'You owe it all to me' That's wrong. . . .Don't be mad because the little nigguh is comin' up.

2Pac was referring to all the East Coast cats he hollered at on "Old School" here which includes RAKIM.
He was beefing every rapper from the East Coast as at the time he made this interview. If it was about an individual, he would name and shame him but this was a coast war.

Of course I know "Old School" was before the East/West Coast beef. I just had to show you he had respect for Rakim. And I was waiting for you to show me how that changed with that interview. Now, all you could come up with is "2Pac was referring to all the East Coast cats he hollered at on "Old School" which includes RAKIM" How low can you get?

Not long ago on another thread you said that Pac was into name-calling in all his beef tracks. Yep, I agree. We all know Pac is very opinionated - he goes straight to da point when he's irked. Now, here you are saying it was a coast war and so he didn't mention Rakim It was a coast war and he mentioned Biggie, Puffy et al in that interview It was a coast war and he mentioned Nas, Chino XL, Mobb Deep, Lil' Kim, Fugees, Jay-Z, and a whole lot of East Coast cats in different songs (like "Against All Odds", "Bomb First", "All Out", etc)

If Pac got beef with you, he calls yo' name. That's a guarantee. There's nutin in that "His Own Words" interview to show, expressly or impliedly, that he had Rakim in mind. Find another story dawg.

The issue was dead n buried before you exhumed it again.
Canibus sampling beats on all his tracks just killed the flavour of the whole debate.
He never knew what the album was like until he bought his own CD. Thatz the pure fact!!!

U have been sonned again.

And I'm telling you again - that a living artiste did not know anything about his production is not an excuse for lameness. If Music is business and you're an entrepreneur, you'll be both on the field and in the boardroom - keeping an eye on yo' business . . . Ok, I've heard you - he's not to be blamed for Rip the Jacker's production, what about his about 7 other albums

With the number of words you have typed on this debate, even a blind man knows you belong to the latter group.

Plenty but sensible words. But you You keep rambling and makin' no iota of sense . . .

Another one - "If you've got it, flaunt it; If you ain't got it, stare at someone who's got it"

@A-40

. . .out of the names that have been mentioned the Ice Cube's,Rakim's Krs-one's,Chuck D's,Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap we all know Canibus is the least relevant in the game and has never really been relevant at any point in time

If you're a pastor, I'll join your church. That up there is gospel truth. Preach it!

@javalove

u see to belive in what i believe in pertaining lyrics and rhythm but when it comes to artistes that fits that believe, u fall my hand

You have just spoken like an oracle. "Blowing grammar" is not equivalent to good lyrics. I am a great lover of Lyrics. Just that when it comes to the nitty gritty of music, Rhythm and Lyrics are twin elements that you cannot afford to miss.

If you've studied Sauron's theories, you would note that he tends to major on minors so much that he loses focus of what an issue is all about in the first place. In his elements, Sauron would say sumn like this:

Sauron: Bill Clinton was a good President
Bleep: Yeah, that's true but why do you say so
Sauron: Cos he's tall and jovial.

[/quote][quote author=eldee link=topic=228560.msg3485073#msg3485073 date=1234985605]@Sauron
I don't blame you for this Canibus thingy, I blame LL Cool J
If only he didn't give 'Bis a chance to diss him, dude woulda been one of 'em people we only see on Nobodysmiling.com
Wait, 'Bis doesn't even have enough cred to be on that blog . . . damn!!!

El, shake my hand.

Who's Canibus Someone who sends his fans to google anytime he spits

Is that the definition of a true lyricist Nah.

Nas is one of the few rappers who has managed to garner mainstream appeal and yet remain true to the underground. There are some other rappers in this category too . . .

Until Canibus learns to do the right thing . . . up his game . . . overhaul his crappy delivery . . . surmise his points aptly . . . and stop beating about the bush . . . he might as well remain on the same darn level he's been for decades.

~Sauron~:
Wounds?? Ur come back was so tasteless you need to add salt n spice to it. . . . .U actually went dark for 3 days to come up with that??
Bamsyle. . . . . . .Your views are warped.

50 cent made $400 million from a single deal from his multi-conglomerate and you still expect him to fail??
This excludes album sales, royalty paid to him from G-unit albums, G-unit gear, Movies, PS games(Bulletproof and the forthcoming Blood on the sand)
Your definition of success makes me quiver if you really think Fiddy is clueless.

Rakim faded into oblivion cos when the East Coast/West Coast beef escalated, he was nowhere to be found.
Bad Boy records did it for NY while the likes of Rakim etc were nowhere to be found.
Were they not the people 2Pac were dissing for trying to monopolise the Rap industry?? Go and listen to "In His Own Words"
Thatz anutha assignment for you, amigo!!!

Mr. Sauron, you always tend to digress from the major thrust of a debate when you discover you've got nutin to say . . . that's a lame move . . . you know the popular saying - "Don't be a cloud cos you failed to be a star" . . . no need for any 'spanner in the works'

We're not arguing over 50 Cent's Vitamin Water deal here. You brought that in as a frantic move to win the debate.

Relax 'n' start breathing - that a man makes $400m over a deal today does not make him for life. 50 has never been consistent in his career - that's my freakin' point. Throwin' yo' career overboard to delve into some drink that's got no acceptance is not the definition of success to me . . . and that's not to mention the vacillating nature of business (I had to use that word cos you like big words ) . . . you claimed at a point that Nas lost his street credo after the saga with Jay-Z . . . how ingenious of you! . . . next thing you'll say is that 50 gained more street cred by selling water . . .

So, Rakim et al must hop into the East/West Coast rivalry to be significant What are you even saying here How did Pac diss Rakim et al in that interview Go listen to Pac's "Old School" and hear him praise Rakim to the high heavens . . . plus a lot of nigguhs that you love to hate

It's a wrap Sauron. Go to bed. Hey, before you do - take this with you:

"People with open minds always close their mouths. People with closed minds always open their mouths". Where do you belong

Go back home and nurse yo' wounds . . .

You got nutin to say dawg . . .

If Rakim, Pac, Biggie, Nas, KRS-One, etc. beget offsprings and name 'em Lil' Rakim, Lil' Pac, Lil' Biggie, Lil' Nas, Lil' KRS-One - they'll still be thousands of times better than "Cannabis" or whatever you call his name

@Sauron

Was away for a while so I hope you enjoyed your short "moment of glory"

U are hidebound by your myopia.     
How many times do i have to tell a herb like you that penning rhymes for me was just a leisure thang in ma Uni days.
It ain't ma profession so why bust a gut to put lyrics on vinyl??  Hundreds of rap verses?? Show us one and stop bragging!!!

Lame excuse. You don't have to be a professional artiste to roll your lines on disc. Do it for the love, not the money. Flowshow bust yo' ass with the stuff he uploaded in the Battle Thread and challenged you to reply - you went dumb like a statue. Even if he didn't sound too well, at least we know what he sounds like

I see the so-called rap lines you pen and I laugh at yo' construction - that's prose, not rap . . .

Then u must be talking about blinkered fans like yourself.
The fact that Rakim was a rap pioneer doesn't necessarily make him the greatest MC of all time. They all came out when the industry was just starting to grow. What was the level of competition in 1992 compared to now??
Cheese n Rice. . . .some fans also think Public Enemy n NWA were the best since sliced bread but how would they fare if they had joined the rap industry in say, 1996?? Food for thunk, negro!!!

Are you a goblin

Rakim ain't respected for being a rap pioneer alone. He's respected cos he's good. If it's all about being a pioneer, have you ever asked yourself whatever happened to MCs like Biz Markie, MC Shan, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five (Melle Mel, Cowboy, Mr. Ness, Kid Creole and Raheim)? Whatever happened to Jam Master Jay, Flava Flav? Whatever happened to Public Enemy’s Chuck D that you mentioned

You claim there was no competition at a time when KRS-One was traversing the earth like a colossus

It was a debut album. . . . .Most of the lyrics were pre-written. All they had to do was take it to the studio and add the beats n mixes.
What is so outta-this-world in that?? 2Pac recorded "7 Day Theory" in about 7 days so whats the dealie??
Are u a hip-hop illiterate??

Go read up stuff on the album before you come here to fart . . .

Rakim wrote the darn lyrics to the album in the studio . . . the full album was recorded in one week. What's outta the world is that that album is still regarded by hip hop heads as one of the best rap albums to go down in history . . . The excerpts about Rolling Stone and MTV in my previous post were meant to confirm that . . .

Going by the theory that your debut album should be great, why didn't Canibus' debut album fare well? Dude was just blaming Wyclef for his own failure

In those days, the competition was weak. Any idiot could grab the mic and spit whatever and still get street credibility.
Rap music was begging for a face then so any piece of music from anyone was great as far as black people were concerned.

Rap Music was begging for no face . . . a lot of the joints we hear on radio today are remixes of sturvs released in that era . . . ask master 'remixers' like P. Diddy. Go listen to songs like Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" . . . An era is an era . . . some peops still prefer the era of the Sugar Hill Gang et al to this generation of rappers . . .

All the cats you have mentioned here are just average rappers. It's like saying Junior-n-Pretty were better lyricists than Mode9 because they influenced Eedris Abdulkareem and Rasquie. It doesn't make any sense to me. What you should ask yourself is how would they have fared in the mid-90s when Rap music blew up like nitro?? How many of these so called rap pioneers can stand toe to toe with Lauryn Hill in a battle??

"Existing before someone" is different from "influencing someone". I said Rakim influenced these cats . . . not existed before 'em. Did Eedris tell you he was influenced by Junior 'n' Pretty? Let me help you, I read his interview some years back where he listed KRS-One, Dr Dre, Biggie et al as his influences when asked. He mentioned no Nigerian act . . .

You refer to cats like Run-D.M.C., LL Cool J, Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G. Rap, Ice Cube, and KRS-One as average

The past records of some MCs in that list eclipse Canibus' future . . . Canibus can only strive to untie their shoe-laces

Let me refresh yo' memory . . .

Kool G. Rap's story-telling abilities is supreme. He is a legendary mafioso rapper. His trademark style is his swift multisyllabic delivery. Acts like Biggie, Cam'ron, Faboulous, Big Pun, Cassidy, Busta Rhymes, Pharoahe Monch, Papoose, Black Thought, and R.A. Tha Rugged Man, borrowed his style.   

New York's Hip Hop history is incomplete without the mention of Big Daddy Kane. You need to listen to "Ain't No Half Steppin" and "It's a Big Daddy Thing" - then you'll really experience what you've been calling 'eargasms' If you want to know more about him, ask Jay-Z - he was his hypeman . . .

I won't even talk about LL Cool J, let alone Ice Cube and KRS-One . . .

Those were average works. . . . .They get mentioned because they were the music that gave rap music a FACE!!!

They get mentioned cos they are great tracks. Why are so many other works that gave rap music "a face" not gettin' mentioned Rakim's smooth baritone flow, his unrelentless energy, his confidence . . . Listen to him on "Follow the Leader,"

"I can take a phrase that's rarely heard / Flip it / Now it's a daily word."

Eminem wouldn't be biting him if he wasn't dope

Keep clutching at straws. . . . . .Rakim n Eric B were just buncha noisemakers in em days who gave the West Coast a life line because of the political rubbish they keep spewing. While they were clueless with their rap songs, Dr. Dre stole the initiative from them(East Coast) and the West grew rapidly.
Thanx to Biggie for restoring the pride back while the likes of Rakim faded into oblivion.

Your theory is ill-conceived . . .

Dr Dre had sumn to say to peops who reason like you:

"Things just ain't the same for gangstas
Times is changing, young niggas is aging
Becoming Ol' Gees in the game and changing
To make way for these new names and faces . . ."

"But now we got a new era of gangstas
Hustlers and youngsters living amongst us
Lookin at us, now calling us busters
Can't help but reminisce back when it was us
Nigga we started this gangsta shit
And this the motherfucking thanks I get?" - "The Watcher"

How quick you forget . . . in the next 20 years, nuts like you would call Biggie crap cos of some young gun that just emerged from round da corner . . .

Rakim is an ol' gee in the game. He enjoyed his reign and made way for youngies like Canibus to take a shot at success. Unfortunately, he has been busy amassing failures for himself

Plus I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "oblivion". You mean the same "oblivion" that had him feature on Truth Hurts' "So Addictive"? Same "oblivion" that had him feature on "Classics" with Kanye West, Nas, and KRS-One? Same "oblivion" that had him drop ill bars on Eminem’s "8 Mile" Soundtrack? Same "oblivion" that also had him feature on "The Watcher 2" with Dr Dre and Jay-Z

How many years ago were all those songs released

U are really pushing your ignorance to the hilt. . .   

The king of punchline is Canibus. Not even your Pac or Rakim can match Canibus when it comes to retching ill punchlines.
On the same track, Bis' spat. . . . . . .

I hear you talkin' but i ignore it/you garbage and your rhymes borin'/
So keep standin' on the corner/the trash-man will collect you in the mornin/'

The sickest punchline ever recorded was also from Bis'. . . .

One of a kind, I got divine chromosomes in me
My sperm'll scramble the eggs in a woman's ovary

And what's spectacular about those lines

Ever seen any of Big L's punchlines? What are those lines compared to such lines as:

"My sh*t is so hot, I give the mic a heat rash"

"I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't even met yet"

". . . ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head"

Straight-up lines. No thrills or frills. You don't need the Dictionary or Google to decipher those words

Classic prattle. Comparing Canibus to Will Smith & The Game just says it all about you.
You are clueless than i originally gave u credits for. Mind u, i didn't give u much in the first place.

I'll compare Canibus to Lil' Boosie or Soulja Boy . . . they share a lot in common . . . Crappy delivery is foremost. Looking up the Dictionary and using big words in his lyrics won't cover up his deficiencies

Nas' "whiskers like a rat" and "fat lips"?? Those are personal disses synonymous to 15 year olds on  MTV's "Yo Momma". 
You have no idea what a battle track should be?? Go and listen to Bis' "Die Slow", "100 bars" and sniff spicy battle lyrics.
How can Ether eat Canibus' 2nd round K.O.?? Ibime should help you out now. You are deteriorating at a break-neck speed.

And what should a battle track be? How are those lines compared to Canibus "You don't want me to shine", "you might got more cash than me" Dude simply sounded like a kid whose bread had just been snatched from him He was whining and complaining all through . . . cos LL pulled a trick on him . . . Jeez, that dude is always grumbling, when will he wake up and smell the coffee

Nine words of advice - Associating with failures won't get you far in life . . .

I don't need to listen to any more of Canibus' crappy sturvs . . . doesn't get any better. My ears have suffered enough pain

2Pac is a noise-maker. He is not a battle rapper.
Even a kid of 5 knows that and Bamsyle at 40 doesn't know?? Pathetic!!!

Of course Pac ain't into 'em punchlines - I know that's your definition of a battle rapper. But he was a soldier . . . he never hesitated to serve the asses of those who crossed his path . . .

Age You don't wanna go there . . . Ofokasibe and Dejiariyo would come up with mo' startling revelations on you

Another heap of trumpery. . . . .2Pac is your idol and you don't even know a germ of information about him.
2Pac died poor. Go to the net and check what he had when he died. . . . .He had nuthing. The truck was even registered under Death Row.
Talking about 2Pac had nothing at birth. . . . .How many of these rappers were born with a golden spoon in their mouthz??
How does this help build a strong case for Pac or how is this relevant to the debate?? Clueless Bamsyle.

And how does this help the debate Just cos Pac stayed real to da game and refused to turn into a "water trader", how does that make him poor? Quit talking 'bout stuff you know nada about. Pac was the original mind behind "Mo' Money Mo' Problems". Get yo' facts right.

Bankruptcy?? How low can you sink now??
A man that made $400 million to be paid in instalments of $100 million per year will go bankrupt??
Give up Bamsyle. . . . .You are starting to sound like a scratched Rakim CD.

You must be an ogre . . .

A man makes $400 million and you think he's made for life . . .

You know nada about business . . . go speak to the top biz men the world has ever produced . . . how many albums has 50 Cent been selling after the "Get Rich or Die Trying" and "The Massacre" albums . . .

Vitamin Water? A lot of Americans consider it as "crap and a waste of money" . . . ever gulped one?

"Marketed as health water but is just water with vitamins, flavoring and sugar added", "Completely unneccessary", "There is no reason to buy a food or drink that adds stuff to it for no valid reason", "This is just a ploy by the manufacturer to take advantage of the growing health conscious consumer who does not actually know much about the industry" “The way that vitamin water is marketed and positioned, it's made to look more healthy than other sugary beverages, but it's not - it's still just a soft drink . . . it has this aura of healthfulness that is not deserved. Adding vitamins and minerals to junk food doesn’t make it healthy . . ."

"Adding coutures to yogurt or vitamins to water does absolutely nothing for you or the base product except put extra cash in the greedy corporations that make these products just to take advantage of us"

Comments from top American health experts . . .

Think bro, think . . . do the math . . .

Another weak defense. . . . . .Commercial-wise, 50 cent is a global brand.
His wealth would sink Nas(who had to put his tails between his legs and went back to Jigga). He lost his street credz since then.

Nas lost his street cred You've gotta be snoring . . .

Total BullSh*t . . . A man takes his earnings from his two plus sumn albums and invests in some funny beverage . . . and you call that wealth, and . . . erm . . . "global brand" Donald Trump woulda smack you in the face for that statement . . . And hey, don't just swallow stories and run with 'em . . . relax and run a background check on any piece of news you hear . . .

U lack comprehensive skills. . . . .
What the reviewer meant was. . . .If u are the type that listens to lyrics synonymous to a kid in the 4th grade, then look away from Canibus.
He only used Nelly n Faboulous as examples of rappers like Jay-Z, Nas and other grammatically challenged herbs in the industry.

I told you earlier that your love for big but unnecessary words is what makes you fancy Canibus. Jeez, if you're a babe, guys who look up dictionaries for big words to 'scope' you with would be having a field day on you

And Bamsyle completes his show of ignorance. . . . . . .

Obviously, u haven't been paying attention and yet you claim you know everything about Canibus. . . .You are a pseud.
Canibus wrote those lyrics before the beats. He was about joining the Army when he finished penning the lyrics of the album.
He send the lyrics to Stoupe(The Enemy Of Mankind) to complete in what even Bis' die-hard critics claim was an instant classic.
"Rip The Jacker" was widely accepted and many hip hop heads compared it to Illmatic. 11 brilliant tracks with no skits and no guest appearances!!
Pure artistry from the blueprints of Shakespeare and Da Vinci.

Who doesn't sample beats for songs on Hip-Hop albums?? Are you this blinkered??
Bis was in the army when Stoupe was mixing the sound so he couldn't have been responsible for that part of the production.
U have really shown your ignorance in leaps and bounds and this debate has lost it's taste.
Letz go back to lyrics versus rhythm debate before you humiliate yourself more.

Same ol' same. The Sauron I know so well would kick up any theory just to win a debate . . . You sound so much like Canibus - always making lame excuses for monumental failures - you must share his DNA . . .

Who cares whether he listened to the album 10 years after dropping 'em verses Funny enough, I like "Poet Laureate II" but your myopia just won't let you understand what I'm on . . . I'm tired of stressing my points . . . retards don't ever understand anything - even if you repeat it 100 times . . .

"Rip The Jacker" compared to "Illmatic"? Why not compare Simon Adebisi in "Oz" with Kiefer Sutherland’s "24"?

A-40:
I don't look all out for big words and the so-called scientific terms i also attach importance to street smart lyrics that actually apply to real world scenarios . . .

Thanks o, A-40. You're not like some weirdo in here who believes intelligence is synonymous with high-sounding and big words

~Sauron~:
Put out ur best keystyles and letz anaylse it bar by bar.

You've been disillusioned for so long. You think all those crappy lines of yours are what they call rap? Real MCs don't even put their lines on the internet alone, they roll 'em on discs for all to read, feel, and judge. Unlike you, I don't brag. I've penned hundreds of rap verses. You'd be amazed at what I spit. Don't even go there . . .

Any Arrow can be a pioneer. He is older than Bis and he came out when Rap was about blowing up like nitro.
I know Rakim and Eric B in the days of "Casualty of War". . . .Those were songs you would see on Yo MTV raps then and u would squeeze your face.
There were better cats out there then: Wu Tang, Diamond & Psycho-neurotics, Scarface, KRS-One etc. Nuff said!!!

For a lover of lyrics who doesn't know what Rakim is all about, I feel pity for you. Rakim - the astounding lyricist, the raw talent. His methodical, yet effortless delivery makes Canibus sound like a cricket. The duo of Rakim and Eric are critically acclaimed as one of the greatest hip hop groups of all time. Rakim is often considered by many fans and even critics to be the greatest MC of all time.

Their debut album, "Paid in Full" was recorded in a week. Rakim wrote the lyrics in the studio. This and all their other albums made it to the Top 10 on the R&B LP charts. Rolling Stone Magazine listed the album as #227 on its "List of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time". MTV listed the album as the greatest in hip hop history. Hear what MTV had to say:

"When Paid in Full was released in 1987, Eric B. and Rakim left a mushroom cloud over the hip-hop community. The album was captivating, profound, innovative and instantly influential. We'd been used to MCs like Run and DMC, Chuck D and KRS-One leaping on the mic shouting with energy and irreverence, but Rakim took a methodical approach to his microphone fiending. He had a slow flow, and every line was blunt, mesmeric. And Eric B. had an ear for picking out loops and samples drenched with soul and turned out to be a trailblazer for producers in the coming years."

In his era of the 80s, Rakim's innovative wordplay and excellent delivery made him tower above MCs like Run-D.M.C., LL Cool J, and Chuck D. By the late 80s, he had greatly influenced MCs like Big Daddy Kane, Kool G. Rap, and Ice Cube. Even KRS-One who was already established before him would tell you that Rakim later influenced his themes and lyrics.

Go listen to "Follow The Leader", "Microphone Fiend", and "Lyrics of Fury" and you'll come back to lap up your vomit.

Canibus with his 34+ years of existence has nothing but a string of failures as his track record

BTW, Rakim and Eric did "Casualt[b]ies[/b] of War" - the one you referred to musta been done by Canibus

But he still got his ass whupped by Bis on that particular track. . . . .
Apart from Eminem and RZA(which i am not even sure he coulda been influenced by Rakim), the others are average.
Will Smith and The Game on that list just spoils it for you.

That track produced one of the best punchlines in Hip Hop's history: ". . . stick my d**k in your ear and f**k what you heard". It was done by Rakim. He kept his verses short, simple and stright-to-da-point. Your man Canibus was busy telling long tales of Galaxies and the Stone Age Era No quotable quote from him.

Of course you won't know RZA was influenced by Rakim - do you know anything about Hip Hop? Much as you underrate 'em, Will Smith and The Game still have credentials that would make Canibus go pink with shame The Game who just started his career yesterday is more relevant in the game than Canibus.

U are a fan of showmanship. . . . .It's easy to recognise that.
When Bis spat on Lost Boyz' "Beasts From The East", cats were scampering for cover. Listen to "How Come", 2nd Round K.O and feel his fury.
Soulja Boy?? Put him in 2Pac's category abeg.

I love skills, talent, craft. How does high-sounding vocab with a crappy delivery qualify as those?

Great lyrics he spat in "Beasts From The East". Please advise him to keep smokin' da blunt he smoked before he spat then "How Come" was just his usual ish - stories about Galaxies and aliens. 2nd K.O. was good but I've told you before that Nas' Ether eats that up bar for bar.

Canibus with his big and unnecessary words has the same effect that Soulja Boy has on listeners. Both are crap. 2pac with his signature straight-to-da-point delivery would summarize Canibus' 600-word perambulations with 2 bars

Please don't choke. . . . .I don't wanna come to your funeral.

No you won't. You'd have been cremated by then

2Pac had no money, no mutual funds, IRA and no housing estate. He owned no bonds or stocks.
He also didn't own the house in San Fernando Valley. Matter of fact, Modenine would have more money than 2Pac when he died.
Suge Knight milked him dry.

This sounds like a befitting biography for Canibus not Pac Pac was born as a ghetto kid. He had nothing at birth but made fame, a name and money for himself before he died. Forget about all those stories you read in Vibe Magazine or whatever magz you read. Listen to his songs. 2pac was never one to lie about his life. He was the original dude behind "Mo' Money, Mo' Problems". Ask Biggie when you see him

I like 50 cent because he had a plan in his 2nd coming.
Get rich and go commercial and if u quantify what he has achieved btw 2003 and 2009. . . . .Nas, Jay-Z and other cats should be ashamed of emselves.

Is 50 Cent a rapper? We're not talking 'bout the story of rapper-turned-pure water-seller here. From rapper to body-builder to water-seller, God knows what's next. Maybe comedy. If you're a smart bizman, you'll know he's heading towards bankruptcy . . .

Saying Nas, Jay-Z, and 50 Cent in the same sentence is like mentioning Nostradamus, Socrates and Mr. Bean in one breath. Don't compare wise men with fools.

Conveniently copying the comment of a critic like you.

From a fan on Amazon:

This album is definatly the most creative album i have ever listend to lyrically and production wise EVER!!!, no joke, u have to hear it to beleive it , Canibus outdid him self this time with amazing imagery, knowledge full content , clever rhyme schemes , viscious flow , deep philosophical concepts , the list keeps going on and on , This album prooves that there is no one with the lyrical capacity of Canibus , i mean the songs just amaze the listener , also it is a positive vibe towards a degrading hiphop industry, if u are tired of listening to nelly faboulous and most other artists rapping about girls money jewlery and life in the ghetto parsay, then this album is a refreshing mix of thought provoking lyrics, true to life , and very complex.

Another one:

This is undoubtedly one of the best albums of all time. Canibus' word-play is nothing less than pure insanity. I found it refreshing to find a rapper who doesn't feel the need to simply spit about ice and bitches, but brings on something more, Something POETIC, This CD keeps you locked in from the first word to the last. I can't tell you how many times I listened to Poet Laureate when I first heard it. His metaphorical and sophisticated rhyme-style is unlike any other I've heard. His usage of "Big Words" is not boring, or repetitive, but fits perfectly with every bar, and seems to keep you entranced as to what he will intelligently spit next. All in all, this album is amazing. It should, if most people in the world of Hip-Hop haven't noticed already as such, go down as one of the top 10 of all time. Cop it. You'll like it

Need i say more?? I will eat maself if anyone says this about Nas or Jigga.

The first comment tells you to listen to Canibus instead of Nelly and Faboulous and you're grinning like an elf? Phew, what a review!!!

Apart from Poet Laureate II on that album ("Rip The Jacker", the album was absolute hogwash. Hear what a writer wrote about the album: "Canibus sounds like a kid who spends his free time reading the dictionary" Canibus sampled all sorts of beats from various artistes on all the tracks of the album, including Fela's "Mr. Grammarticalogylisationalism Is the Boss" How I wish Fela could have feartured on that track - Canibus woulda heard the story of his life

~Sauron~:
This concept is played and leave ma topicals alone.

Yep. I'll leave 'em where they belong - the Imaginary World.

Blah. . . . . .Maybe average rappers like Nas n Jay-Z.
Canibus is of a higher plane. Biggie had no influence. 2Pac?? He was influenced by the poetry he learnt in school.
Jay-Z was influenced by Biggie so who are the disciples of Rakim.

Read up Rakim's biography. He's not only referred to as a rapper, he's also called "a pioneer of Rap Music". His partnership with Eric B is critically acclaimed as one of the most influential of hip-hop supergroups. And he was largely responsible for this phenomenon. He started what we now know as "internal rhyming" in Rap. He brought metaphors to the forefront.

From Raekwon to 50 Cent, to Kurupt, Ghostface Killah, Eminem, Jay-Z, Killah Priest, RZA, The Game, R.A. Tha Rugged Man, Will Smith plus all those rappers you listed up there - they all name him as their influence. When Canibus was still non-existent, Rakim had spat ill lines that moved the world . . .

In terms of vocabulary,

Canibus = 2Pac + Biggie + Jigga + Nas

In terms of sensible lyrics,

Soulja Boy + Lil' Boosie = Canibus

Was this the reason why Canibus punished the lyrical genius(Rakim) on "I'll Buss Em, U Punish Em"??
That was the track that opened ma eyes in 2000 that Bis' is under-rated. I have never heard Rakim so clueless on a rap song.
He was at his lyrical best but his best punchlines got swallowed when Bis was delivering subliminal lyrics warped through intravenous apocalyptic verses to release relentless eargasms. Canibus > Rakim(lyrically). . . .Enough said.

Quit having sex with Canibus and yo' eyes would pop open

Canibus has a name and has got street credibility. His fan base stretches across USA to Canada to Kingston, Jamaica.
Because of his Jamaican roots, he is well recognised in South London by real rap heads.
U need to see his tour in the UK. . . . . .U would marvel.

USA? United States of . . . erm . . . Afghanistan? He was born in Jamaica so he's popular amongst his kinsfolk. "South London" + "Real Rap Heads" - haha, I'm having a feverish bout of laughter . . .

Letz set the record straight. . . . .2Pac had no money until his death. Nas is average.
Power?? Poor folks don't have power. One rapper who qualifies for this category is erm, 50 cent but he has no street credz.
Respect?? Come on. . . . .Go and read reviews of any Canibus album and get lectured.

In all the 3 things u listed. . . . . Canibus has 2(money is not really necessary).

2pac had no money until his death but the crumbs falling off his stack would buy off Canibus' entire past, present, and future. Nas' average wealth would swallow Canibus' like what the Red Sea did to the Egyptians.
50 Cent is one of your fave rappers so I leave him to you - finish him off the way you like
I took yo' advice and read reviews from Amazon.com - An excerpt of such Canibus' reviews is this:

"I bought 2000 B.C with relatively low expectations, after reading many average reviews on it . . . Canibus is one dimensional lyrical on this CD--it's all about showin off his battle skills. This can be very impressive, and it is impressive on here, but it does tend to get a little old after a while. There are no . . . deep, meaningful lyrics . . ."

And that's your best MC. No, not for me.

~Sauron~:
Roflmao. . . . .hater!!!

It takes a deep mind to understand those topicals . . . . .
Ma masterpieces are not meant for the frail-hearted.

"Deep mind", "Topicals" and "Masterpieces" are words that are as distant from Sauron as the East is from the West

Veterans like Rakim, RZA and Rass Kass might be commercial failures. But on the real tip, a list of Rap Music's Greats is incomplete without 'em. Especially Rakim. Almost every other rapper names him as their greatest influence . . .

Nobody said "album sales" here. We're talking lyrics. A lot of peops have been beclouded for so long with the theory that the dude with the high-sounding words and vocabs must be the champion of the English Language.

Nah.

In the real world, the dude with the most sensible and meaningful vocabs reigns supreme. Rakim is a genius lyrically. A lot of rap cats would run over themselves to feature him on a track. That's someone I'll refer to as the "yesterday, today and tomorrow of the art called Rap" . . . I was still boppin' ma head to "Classic (Better Than I've Ever Been)" yesterday . . . where's Canibus on the rap scene of today?

A great rapper might not sell records. He might not have remarkable record sales. But he'll be respected by the real gees . . . I'm yet to see a Top 10 Rappers List of any rap head with the name "Canibus" . . . No money. No fame. No name. No street cred. The "Canibus" of the epic movie "Clash of The Titans" is more popular than the rapper of the same name . . .

Canibus' epitaph should read;

"He came. He saw. But he was conquered".

Better still;

"He signed for fame
But he got shame
But all the same
He signed his name!"



In this game, you must have at least one of three things - Money, Power or Respect.

Nas and Pac have the three. Canibus has none . . .

kay_pumpin:
I need two of you(Bamsyle and Sauron) to trade lyrical words on the battle thread.
Really hitching for it,

Hehe, I replied you on this earlier dawg . . .

In the Rap Battle Thread, some 'netcees' (whatever that is ) like Ibime have managed to convince me of their rap skills.

But Sauron? I see verses that sound more like prose than rap . . .

I have an 8-year old cousin who loves to pen big words from dictionaries. She'll look 'em up and pen 'em together on the pages of an exercise book - whether they make sense or not. Lookin' back, that cousin reminds me of Canibus

For an artiste born in 1974, who completed high school in 1992, bagged a computer science degree much later, began his rap career in the mid-'90s, released over 8 full-length but woeful albums between 1998 and 2007, opted in and out of different contracts and blamed his monumental failures on his producers et al; I got 2 words: TIME UP.

Hehe, when I read this dude's biography, I changed my perception of what the human representation of recurrent/perpetual failures should be. I used to think of Abraham Lincoln. But then it should be Germaine Williams, a.k.a Canibus. But Abraham Lincoln's story was that of failure-to-success. Well, we don't know how that of Canibus would end. He might be another Fatai Rolling $ Not laughing at his misfortunes 'neways but just hoping he does the right thing ^{*at what age?*} Anyways, as for me I don't associate with failures

Dude should take a cue and borrow from veterans like Pac, Nas, Biggie - all dropouts but not ya average MCs. Dude should know he's doing everything wrong. Crappy delivery. High-sounding but meaningless words which actually have underlying simple deductions . . . and the list goes on . . .

America's got a level playing ground for any entrepreneur. If 'Bis had been doing the right thing, we won't be comparing him with Eminem. Even Canibus' die-hard fans criticized his "C True Hollywood Stories" album as "a failed attempt at becoming a commercial and mainstream artist". Wyclef's attempt at turning his life around was a total failure.

Some Canibus' fans remind me of those folks who go to church on Sunday, sit down and listen with rapt attention all day long to the preacher's sermon, jump up in excitement at every sentence screaming "Word/Preach it!" But when they get back home, ask 'em what the sermon was all about and they'll go "Well . . . all I know is . . . it was a great sermon"!

@Eldee,

I got'ya bruv. Maybe the words "only one" (also interpreted as "sole" were what caused our "different strokes"

Last time I checked, to "communicate" means:

"to impart, to reveal, to demonstrate, to bestow, to succeed in conveying ones meaning to others".

Also, to "educate" means to bring up and instruct,  to train, to teach

Peops often interprete "Best Lyricist" to mean the dude with those above-ya-head kinda lyrics.

No way.

The only reason I would go to school to listen to ma tutors is cos they've got stuff to impart in me. Connected to that is also the fact that they know how to teach, how to instruct. How to deliver. By the seven great lakes, how could I spend my hard-earned money paying teachers who cannot interprete what's in the books for me to understand? Meanwhile, the books were there all the time for me to read. The only reason I would choose to listen to a tutor teaching what's in 'em books is cos he is supposed to be more knowledgeable than I am. But at the same time, he is supposed to be able to interprete what's in those books. He's supposed to deliver.

Why would I need a thesaurus to understand what a "lyricist" is saying? Even the best and most knowledgeable professors have to convert their lectures, thesis et al into simple menus of bread and butter - so that their listeners can ingest 'em.

Well, while talking, you may not be communicating to me 'neways. You could be communicating to yourself. Sumn like a monologue/soliloquy. But folks who intend talking to others but end up talking to themselves fall into a class of peops that we call . . . erm . . . lunatics . . .

A good lyricist is someone who has the elevated visions of Nostradamus with the simple delivery of Ghandi. If I put up a sentence like "The gargantuan idiosyncracies of the misogynist called Canibus are electroencephalographically magnetohydrodynamic", have I communicated anything? Does that make me a good lyricist? Even well-versed professors would check the dictionary to know what that means

I've listened to loads of joints from Canibus. I'm not mesmerized by the intelligence that went into his songs. His lyrical ability might be 'wow' but that does not make him a genius. Canibus goes into technical, esoteric sturvs just to make a very simple point. When you take the time to decipher what's he's saying, you'll then discover that he was just stating a very simple thing. His high-sounding words don't add anything to his songs. Maybe he wants to sound "cool" or pretentious Go through his entire catalogue, you'll find that his philosophy never goes any further than bars that fit neatly into cool-sounding punchlines.

My point: Canibus just has the ability to put complicated words together. Period. The actual messages and meanings in his songs are no deeper than something you'd get from average rappers. They're never as deep as they sound.

It's funny that as deep as Nas is, more often than not we still get to understand him . . .

^{*on a rebounce . . .*}

El, this is however the part I mostly agree with - "For you lot, when you're inclined towards intellect, you listen to rap, for other people, they read wide, watch educative stuff, and sumtimes GO TO SCHOOL and then listen to hiphop as a form of entertainment"

Much as I listen to Rap, I still take out time to read books. It would be a total disgrace for me to pass through the four walls of a college and come back to say "Rap Music gives me more education than my schools gave me". That's why although the schools never imparted all the knowledge I need to get, I update maself regularly with books

I read to get knowledge. And more knowledge. Canibus cannot give me that. This dude raps about what I already learned in school. Computers, aliens, science/tech. Why would I listen to him when he's not telling me anything different from what I already learned? I'd rather listen to Pac and Nas who tell me about life in da projects, "keep yo' friends close but yo' enemies closer", "believe in yourself" and sturvs school never taught me. I don't know of any course in our schools that teach us sturvs like what Nas preached in "I Can" (though he came from the kiddies angle). I don't know of any course where I'd learn a quote like I heard in 2Pac's "Smile":

"Here's a message to the newborns, waitin' to breathe
If you believe then you can achieve
Just look at me
Against all odds, though life is hard we carry on
Livin' in the projects, broke with no lights on
To all the seeds that follow me
protect your essence
Born with less, but you still precious . . ."

When will an artiste like Canibus learn to drop such useful knowledge Instead he goes on and on about electrons, aliens, computers and such sturvs that can't help the world.

And mind you, Canibus studied Computer Science. But I'm yet to hear of any college or even any group of serious minded peops studying his lyrics. Nas and Pac are drop-outs. But renowned institutions like Harvard have their theories in 'em syllabuses. I do not know of any rapper that constantly drops more knowledge than these 2 cats. Someone even describes Nas' raps as "a political science lecture without snoring". Biggie was another drop-out but whilst in school, he was an excellent student. He won several awards as an English student. BTW, he attended the same school as Busta, Jay-Z and DMX

On the real tip, much as I love lyrics, I also love good rhythm. Why would I listen to a versed teacher or preacher who can't articulate properly

For me, Lyrics and Rhythm are like 2Pac and Biggie. I regard them as equals.

I’m not only having a laugh. I’m having a fit . . .

I got my formal education from proper institutions. Not from Rap.

I got, and still get my informal education from colleagues, media, church, music (Rap inclusive).

Formal education taught me about Science/Tech, Computers, Law, etc.

Informal education taught, and still teaches me about Interpersonal Relationship, Business, Trust, Love, etc.

Rap encourages me to do certain things that Education decries. For example, Rap encourages me to use foul language. It encourages me to use words like “Idiot” when arguing with people. But Education says not to. So I struck a balance. I chose not to . . .

@Eldee

I’m not 100% into your “controversial theory”. I do not agree with you saying that the sole reason lyrical content is important to the critical reception of hiphop is because "half the artists and listeners are uneducated anyways”. An educated black man would listen to KRS-One and still get more educated.

Why? One - As a human race, our reading culture is fast declining. Worse still, we do not even know. That’s why a full-fledged graduate can declare that rap music teaches him more than what University taught him. Peops would rather sit down all day - watchin’ TV, listening to the radio, fiddling with computers. As such, a black but educated man might prefer to listen to Rap Music and get educated instead of reading up on issues. He might not read what Voltaire, Hippocrates, Rene Descartes or Montaigne wrote on Philosophy or Political Science but he would listen to what KRS or Nas said on the same subjects . . .

Two, rap fans love wordplay, witty sayings, rhymes, quotable quotes et al (all in one package plus information). CNN’s not into all that. CNN just gives information.

Three, with Rap comes creativity. Rap also atimes can give you very vivid and graphic imageries that even the visual details of CNN cannot give. As such, instead of watching CNN telling us ‘bout Charles Darwin’s theories on DNAs, we might prefer to hear Nas tell us in a more creative way like he hinted in his “New World”.

Four, an educated mind seeks more education. And he would seek such education from any source - books, media, music . . .

@Javalove

Yeah I like Sage too. I just wanted to point out that he's more of a poet than a rapper - like you also noted. He just speaks over beats.

@Eldee

I know you're not telling me to get off the fence. Wasn't referring to you bro

I agree with ya - I think we're on the same page here. None is more important than the other.

@post

I think a definition of Music would help. Chambers Dictionary defines Music as:

"The art of expression in sound, in melody, and harmony, including both composition and execution"

Key words: Expression in sound, melody, harmony. Composition. Execution.

Among these words, let me ask - what word immediately comes to your mind when "Composition" is mentioned? I'm sure I heard you say "Lyrics"?

Now, what word immediately comes to your mind when "Execution" is mentioned? If you're not being naughty (thinking "killing", I'm sure I heard you say "Performance". And I'll tell you that's where "Rhythm" comes in.

Lyrics are like the ingredients for a meal. Rhythm is the cooking of that meal.

I know everyone's entitled to his/her opinion 'neways. But I just want to believe most times, we get instantly attracted to a song cos of its melody/rhythm. I mean - how can you even call a song by its name if it has little or no rhythm?

Music is for performance.

Now to Hip Hop. A definition goes like this:

"Hip Hop Music, also referred to as rap music, is a music genre typically consisting of a rhythmic vocal style called rap which is accompanied with backing beats. Hip Hop Music is part of hip hop culture, which began in the Bronx, in New York City in the 1970s, predominantly among African Americans and Latino Americans. Rapping, also referred to as MCing or emceeing, is a vocal style in which the performer speaks rhythmically and in rhyme, generally to a beat

The words "rhythmic" and "rhythmically", in a definition, could not have occurred by accident.

I think the reason a lot of peops might vote for lyrics when Hip Hop is concerned is that rap music consists mainly of spoken words. And to excel in that genre, you must possess an amazing degree of vocabs, wordplay, rhymes, quotable quotes et al. In other genres, we most times love or adore our fave artistes. But in Rap Music, the overriding feeling is that of respect. There's this awe/power aura around them. They're like the Martin Luther Kings, the Malcolm Xs, the Ghandis of Music. Just like great orators, they're respected for what they say . . .

Well, quite understandable. But then one ain't more important than the other. I keep referring to acts like Biggie. He's more known for delivery, wordplay, rhymes, flows than for lyrics. And some rap fanatics would argue that he's the best rapper that ever lived . . .

Think about this.

'Lyrics' and 'Rhythm' are like your right ear and your left ear.

Which is more important

Peace be unto this house . . .

Muki, I just say make I hail una . . . ^{*E just occur to me say na you get the most posts for NL wey I don see - una welldone o*}

Wey iice na? E don reach one decade ago wey I hear her voice . . .

Nice song. Can't access the video though.

Wish these folks are rappers:

Barrack Obama V. Sarah Palin

Orilosesi Ohaechesi please re-phrase . . .

eldee:
Ever wondered why it's called 'hip-hop'??
Ever wondered why we buy CDs and download I-tunes instead of just going to azlyrics.com??

Yo El, very good point there.

Although some would argue that we ain't talkin' 'bout Hip Hop alone here, permit the lil' digression. We're just using Hip Hop as a part of the whole.

Let me attempt to break the emboldened part down like this - It's hip cos of the wordplay, the fly lyrics, the lingua, the rhymes, the metaphors, the lifestyle, etc.

It's hop cos it needs a pleasant rhythm, a proper structure, an amazing flow, an impressive delivery. Atimes it should even make the listener dance. Or hop to his feet . . .

Hip Hop should be like the hands of the clock at 12.30 or 6.00 (am/pm). Hip enough to take you to da skies. Deep enough to 'lower' your mood so you can think . . .

If a piece of news is not properly delivered, you won't get it. That's why media folks got to have that pleasant voice, that smooth delivery. The same reason a good preacher needs a good voice/delivery. Same reason a good teacher must possess a good voice/delivery.

Rhythm here ain't beat. It's got sumn to do with the voice, the flows, the delivery, the melody, the time, the pulse, the cadence . . .

"Cadence"? Princesa that's for you

Music without lyrics is a preacher without a message. Music without rhythm is a message without a preacher. Music without lyrics is an offence. Music without rhythm is drudgery . . .

So, again - which is more important - Lyrics or Rhythm?

Pray, tell me first - which is more important - your arms or your legs?

I see that some posters clamour for a definite pick between Lyrics and Rhythm. No middle-point. No 'sitting on the fence'.

As for me, I have erected a 'fence' in this argument.

And I'm sitting coyly on it . . .

@DBR

"Many thingS" are wrong u said, but all ur thesis was on the hook the hook the hook,
well i guess the hook, the hook and the hook makes it many hooks thus "many things"?
Tho i get watya sayin but i maintain the atmosphere for this track is wat determines the kinda energy
the hook will carry, watya sayin is sth Frenzy wuldda done to put the kinda bite u sayin into the chorus,
but that aint the mood of this track. Cant believe u call a track WACK cos of a hook Dude!!
It's a hook that reflects that the artist is kinda irked and not impressed by sm1 attitude.
The hiss/sigh that punctuates the "who be u, who be u" shud give u an idea of the SETTING for this piece.
Guess we get used to energetic hooks that we cant appreciate the simplicity of some
and the courage it takes to do sth simply.
I'm sure i'v heard more of his songs than u so i kno wat im sayin'

DBR, this song is NOT HOT.

We can argue this till Obama finishes a second term in office. No matter what your submissions are on this track, it would never change what Illbliss went to the studio to record.

Yes my major prob with the song is the hook. Multiply it by 1000 and call it "hookses" if you like   You see I did not want to go on and on - that's why I limited my "thesis" to the hook. But you just pointed out something else that I withheld my comments on. The mood. I don't see your point on the mood/atmosphere of the song. Going by your postulation here, the mood of the song should be more of angst. Did you say "it's a hook that reflects that the artist is kinda irked and not impressed by sm1 attitude" I fail to see any anger/angst in this hook. The hiss means nada to me in same regard too. I'm not someone to miss the mood of any song - when it's placed in proper perspective for all to see. When Trybesmen put hisses in their joint "Plenty Nonsense", I could feel the mood of the song - frustration at the country's situation. "One Mic" and "All Eyez On Me" that I mentioned to you earlier, were they energetic hooks? FYI, I prefer certain artistes in a sober mood to others. And here again I refer to Pac and Nas. These dudes are at their best in a sober mood. Go check their best songs and you'll see what I'm saying. Songs like "Still I Rise", "So Many Tears", "Life Goes On", "One Mic", etc. Letz not even go into mood, atmosphere and all that . . .

And hey, what gives you the impression that I've not listened to more Illbliss tracks than you have? Is it cos I've never opened a thread for him before on NL? Well, except you're his brother and you go to the studio with him or sumn, don't be so sure . . .

Plus, u were doin good until u said 70% of a total score goes to hook  
Especially when we talkin rap/hiphop!!! This is where i say like Zebrudiah-
fa fa faaaa foul!!!!!
U mean, the lyrics, the delivery, the concept, content, the swag, the rhymes, the metaphors,
the in-rhymes, multies, vocabs and he general instrumentation all share a meager 30%
C'mon u can do better than that. So wat happens when the song doesnt have any hook at all, huh
Anyway, e'rone is entitled to his/her opinion, and i stil prefer this to AIYE PO GAN by far.

I could borrow a thousand tongues to say this again and again:

As a rapper, when your hook doesn't grab the heart, soul and body of your listener; you've just lost 70% of your total score.

YES. You're missing ma point here. Forget about rap - when you listen to any song at all, what part of it do you remember the most? What part sticks immediately/the most? What part dictates what the verses should be about? What part is the pivotal/central/ focal point? What part often tells you the title?

That's to show you how important a hook is. You see all those lyrics, delivery, concept, content, swag, rhymes, metaphors, in-rhymes, multies, vocabs, instrumentation and stuff that you mentioned come secondary. And mind you I've noticed that you have a habit of trying to interprete posts verbatim. You however did not do that here. Now check my post again. I said ". . . when your hook doesn't grab the heart, soul and body . . . You should understand that my use of the word "grab" here connotes some things. It is associated with words like "immediately", "instantly", etc. Let me break it down like this - If your hook does not immediately or instantly arrest listeners' attention, you have lost a major percentage of peops' listenership. It's just like a lecturer having to mark an intelligent script but with a poor outline/handwriting.

The hook is very important. Do you think all listeners are rap analysts like you?  80% of Nigerians would just listen to a track to enjoy it and move on. How many of them have time for metas, multies, bars and all those your so-called . . . erm . . . elements of a good rap song? In general, the hook cuts it for most peops. And when you're in Naija, you should know what time it is - especially when you're trying to have a mass/mainstream appeal, you should know better than to do a sub-standard hook.

On the real tip, if we're having a hip hop summit or forum, we can now discuss your multies et al. And when a rap song has no hook at all, real hip hop fans would still love it for its general presentation. Or why do you think I love tracks like Canibus' Poet Laureate II? Always approach my posts with a deep mind . . .

U'v done better analysis b4 but i'm not persuaded by this particular one
to share ur conclusion that this track has MANY THINGS wrong with it,
and not hot, cos sth can be melow, soft, simple and stil be
tagged hot.
oNe

Mr. DBR, I am also not persuaded by your reference to this track as "Hot". Call it "average", "fair", even "good" and I won't have any probs with that. I just can't see anything "hot" about this track. What makes a track hot or not is a subject for another day or thread. Over time, I have come to set a standard for Nigerian songs, which is different from that of other jurisdictions. And off the top of ma head, my list of hot songs from Nigeria would include (but not be limited to) songs like:

MI: Safe
MI: Blaze
Lala/Da Grin: Idi Nla
9ice/Ajasa: Le Fenu So
Mode9: Contradiction
D'banj: Suddenly
Illbliss: Aiye Po Gan
etc, etc

I put these songs on auto-replay when I spin them on my car stereo.

I don't see the possibility of a "Who Be You" song in that list . . .

Yep I agree it's neutral. But I had to kick off with the "Lyrics are not the all in all" angle cos of some of the arguments being put forward by the Pro-Lyrics proponents. My "write up" would have been more direct but I had to deal with that first

I love good lyrics but none should be put above the other. They're both important.