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Audio, I respect ya opinions mahn . . . but maybe we have different definitions of "flow" . . . I don't get it when you guys say Em's flow was the best here . . .

I wasn't using words at random when I referred to Em's verse as being the fastest-paced, most aggressive, etc . . . that's quite different from having the "best flows" . . .

I don't want to bring any drama on this issue but when you talk of flows in Rap, I'm happy you just mentioned the King - Biggie . . . known for his laid-back (folks atimes call it "lazy" delivery, Biggie is not known to rap fast . . . and yet he remains the best in the world of flows . . .

My point is this - guys atimes confuse fast-paced raps with good flows . . . this is wrong . . . if right, Twista or Krayzie Bone should have the best flows in the world of Rap . . .

Flow has to do with cadence, timing, rhythm . . . how the verse intertwines with the beat . . . you'll agree that all good rappers stand out for at least one thing - I'll give wordplay/rhymes to Eminem . . . flow-wise, I don't reckon - same goes for this track.

Eminem's verse was only different cos he rapped the fastest . . . and he made use of each milisecond on the track . . . that's good but what I don't get is when peops say he 'murdered' the other featured rappers cos of that singular fact . . . that the others delivered 'softer' verses takes nutin away from their shine . . . it's the same ol' typical/usual hype about Eminem . . .

One confession I haven't made so far - I wasn't impressed by this track at all . . . the overall 'sound' didn't get to me . . . but y'know what I did when I was trying to compare the verses?? I looked out for the strengths/weaknesses in each verse . . . and tried to eliminate/elevate each artiste based on that . . . generally, they all failed to live up to expectation . . . but one thing I noticed was that the first 3 dudes spat lines that had some degree of relevance to the subject . . . and those lines are fairly witty . . .

Eminem on his part had no such line . . . agreed that he rapped the fastest . . . but that doesn't move me . . . well, it's prolly cos "to whom much is given, much is expected" . . . I expected better (of course we all know that Eminem is notches above the other three rappers) . . .

And yeah, "labels want my name beside the X like Malcom" - denotatively, it means labels consider him as great as Malcolm . . . not a punchline def'ly . . . not even a stand-out line . . . my point is those lines I reproduced are more significant to the subject than everything Eminem spat . . . is the title not "Forever"?? What has Hannibal gast to do with it?? Imagine Em spittin' same lines in "Classic"??

Eminem did not outdo the other rappers - each verse on that track is just as good as it gets . . . if I have to give the crown to Eminem, my reason'll have to be sumn more than the fact that he rapped fast.

Kayefi?? What a unique 'n' nice name.

eldee:
Nowadays rappers jst drop generic verses and force them on collabos. . . Eminem woulda still done this I go break bottle for ya head routine even if the name of the song was Let There Be Love.

LWKMDFH

The pace of his delivery created a shock effect that got all the Stans hyping.

Co-signed.

When you compare all the verses on the track, you'll see that there ain't no biggity in Eminem's verse . . . his was just the most forcefully-delivered, aggressively-spat and fastest-paced . . . heck, this is Rap - nine points of the game is about wit and lyrical ingenuity . . . just cos Drake, Weezy and Kanye sound 'softer' does not give the crown to Eminem . . .

I saw lines like "I stuck my manliness inside this life until that b*tch came", "labels want my name beside the X like Malcolm", "hop up in my car and told my chauffeur “to the top”" and was like damn, these are quotable quotes . . . words coming from motivated/inspired minds . . .

Letz be objective, Eminem could've done better than nagging about his Hannibal Lecter routine talk . . . it's becoming boring . . . and less shocking . . . he has 'over-rapped' about stuff like this . . . this track was an opportunity to deliver sumn different . . . did he not record "Lose Yourself"??

Eminem just wanted to 'bully' as has been admitted by some folks in here . . . his verse was not on-point with the song's theme at all . . .

Goodness, I'll have even preferred Eminem repeating the lines he spat in "One Day At A Time"!!!

slimshay:
Well you might have your opinion about Em but he is far from hype. There is a reason he is called a rap bully, he steals the shine at your own party. Stans did not create 'mudered' Nas did, and those eternal lines gave strong credibilty to the song that is generally seen as the one that gave the battle to Nas: Ether.

Believe me Slim, you're a modest Eminem fan . . . if not for some slight differences here n there in our POV when Eminem is the subject, we're almost on the same page . . .

I respect ya opinion and when I say "Stans", trust me I know what I'm saying . . .

Well, to each his own . . .

chic2pimp:
. . . Yes his verse was sick but he certainly did not murder no one.

C'est finis.

slimshay:
I know i have reffered to u aa a genius on this same Nl before,

Have you?? 

so i suppose to you will easily detect some sort of irony in this your statement. Just in case i was wrong though, i have highlighted the pointers. Please give credit when and where it is due.

Irony??

I know I've been doing a bad job of being detached when critic'ing Eminem on this forum . . . he's one of ma fave rappers . . . he's dope . . . but you lot always push thangs too far . . .

I've listened to the track under reference and was dazed when I came here to read comments like "Eminem buried/murdered the other rappers" and blah blah . . .

No way . . . each verse on that track is as good as it gets.

I want to believe the only reason y'all be sayin' Em outshone the rest is cos his verse is the fastest-paced and most aggressive . . . PERIOD. Aside that, there's nutin relatively out-of-the-ordinary about it . . .

Kanye as usual dropped his pop-culture references . . . Weezy did his routine rhetorics . . . Drake remained on-topic throughout - his lyrics were the most apt/suitable for the track's theme . . . lyrically, I daresay Drake tore that sh*t to shreds . . .

And you'll observe that my post was in response to chic's assertion that guys love to overhype thangs . . . I agree 150% . . . Eminem is a good rapper . . . but the way you guys elevate him atimes . . .

Makes me think the dude was born to be overrated . . . 

No disrespect intended . . . trust me.

Genuflect:
@Bamsyle Hasn't he farted and belched on various tracks?

Bleep, Ass Like That, Evil Deeds, Puke (he did actually puke ), My First Single . . .

And what was he saying in My Mom ('my vaaaal i ummmmmmm aaaaaah') . . .

And the list goes on . . .

chic2pimp:
Although an arguement can be made of Em's verse being the best(disputable),he surely did not murder no one.

Guys just love to OVERHYPE things. . .

Very true . . .

And if one day Em decides to fart and belch on a track, Stans would cook up another cock 'n' bull story . . . they'll say he's being innovative . . .

Hehehe . . .

LWKMDFH . . .

[size=2pt]Muki, I 'see' you . . . nor vex abeg . . . 'twas a challenge . . . I just had to retaliate . . .

I really wanna keep the peace but some folks keep droppin' froggies in ma bottle . . .

Howdy?? 

And where's iice??

^{*I know I've not been a good friend anyways*}[/size]

slimshay:
. . . i think a thread ought to be created to rate rappers on them parameters, but then again na looong tin oh. u can begin to imagine the arguments that will result . . .

Exactly me sentiments . . .

Aiight, letz continue from where we stopped . . .

First off, Kool Moe Dee's "There's A God On The Mic" was not an attempt at distinguishing between an MC and a Rapper . . . KMD simply did one thing in the book - he rated 'MCs' (reference here meaning "all rappers", including the likes of Flo-rida and Soulja Boi) on parameters coined in a bid to separate "dope" or "first-class" rappers from the good, the ok, and the not-so-good-but-overrated-anyway ones (the ones we refer to as wack MCs) . . .

As I stated earlier, the words "rapper" and "MC" are sometimes used interchangeably to refer to one thing - an artiste who performs Rap Music . . . have you ever heard of the term "Wack MC"?? Or "Sucka MC"?? Now, going by the furore, even angst ( ) being generated by my modest definition of an MC, should such terms exist?? I don't think so . . .

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, being an MC (in its true sense) is a calling . . . just like being a Rapper is . . . I ain't saying the MC is better than the Rapper . . . just that MCs have a class of they own . . . they occupy a higher echelon in Hip-Hop's Temple . . . it's not a calling for all-comers . . .  

That said, have you listened to "Classic" (feat. Kanye West, Nas, Rakim, and KRS-One)?? I especially love the high point of KRS-One's verse:

"This is the difference between MC-ing and rap
Rappers spit rhymes that are mostly illegal
MCs spit rhymes to uplift they people"

If there's a human face to the Ministry called "MC-ing" (in the true sense of the word) . . . it's KRS-One.

Oh BTW, I urge you to read KMD's book . . . even if it's for the fun of it . . . I'm cock-sure you'll come back here to ask why the list of "The True 50 Greatest MCs" parades names like Lil' Kim, Mystikal, Mack 10 . . . and Fat Joe . . . but only discusses Eminem and Canibus . . . outside of that list.

Rhymstein:
@bamsyl
on point again.

Thanks bruv . . .

Though I ain't here to discuss the "influence"/"jacking" schizto, I might as well drop a line or two . . . Eldee keeps blaming Mode's fans for ascribing certain words to Modenine . . . why's he blaming 'em?? I wonder what he's got to say about someone who thinks words like "ninny" and expressions like "you don't count in me books" are his prerogative??

BTW, I saw the latter part of your post . . . I'll advise that you ignore small-time/unreasonable posters . . . it's not every poster you oughtta give the benefit of your reply . . .

Lalaboi aiight, I 'see' you dude . . . thanks mahn (was in a kinda hasty mood and got some thangs mixed up this morn . . . ) . . .

@Topic

Ain't heard the song yet but I feel you and DBR on Iceprince . . . that dude's very promising.

Hehe . . . na 'them' sabi o . . . whether 'they' like it or not, I've posted ma piece . . .

Aiight . . . thanks mahn . . . I know the peops behind the schizto . . . 

slimshay:
@ Bamsyle, its nice to having you talking unadulterated intelligence again, abeg, no be yab oh, jus saw that you diverted to yabbing people on the forum, after u kinda anihilated bombsquad in the 'tu-fraud- thread.

I already replied ya . . . my post was deleted . . . anyways . . . a recap:  ()

Thanks, but "yabbing people"?? Nah, I don't do that - but it's a natural law that when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind . . . the dude set up a thread to destroy someone's hardwork . . . and he got what he asked for - period.

but before i begin to accept that 'the eminems' (by the way my favorite rapper) aint a real 'emcee', then the parameters and yardstciks against which they will be scored have to be clearly spelt out.

I didn't say Eminem ain't a "real emcee" . . . I said he's not an MC . . . I know he's your fave rapper . . . I can see it in ya moniker . . . 

And again I say there's a thin line between an MC and a Rapper . . . it's like the difference between a sage and an orator - while the former speaks wise words, the latter speaks 'wisely' (note the inverted commas) . . . the former speaks to educate, enlighten, and inform . . . the latter speaks (mostly) to impress . . .

And if you ask me what the difference is between a sage and an orator . . . I'll immediately tell ya that I'm certain the latter takes lessons from the former to hone his skills . . .

The parameters?? Not sure they're written . . . or can even be elaborately written . . . it's something that's deep . . . it's in the subconscious . . . something tells you this dude rocking the mic before your very eyes eats, breathes, and lives Hip-Hop . . . he drops amazing knowledge . . . he's like a Book to be read and understood . . .

but then again who draws up the parametres.

I always make haste to say that I ain't no Hip-Hop head . . . so most def'ly I'm not amongst those that can draw the parameters . . . it's some kind of a general consensus thingy . . . it's like saying "the Hip-Hop Community" and stuffs like that . . . who are the peops in this Hip-Hop Community?? Apart from the execs and other stakeholders, most other peops are faceless . . .

Kinda felt the crowd mover thing you were trying to describe but than, most often than not there is one dominant mood in a concert, presentation, gig and whatnot, euphoria, unless of course someone totally lame is on the mic.

Yes I agree . . . there's a dominant mood in a concert or gig . . . that of excitement (hope I got ya??) . . . but you'll agree with me that this mood can vary, depending on the theme of each song being performed . . . a rapper can change the mood of a gig . . . an MC would control that mood - he'll not only make you cry and laugh, he'll make you do every other thing in between . . .

An MC is a Rabbi . . . a Teacher of the Gospel according to Hip-Hop . . . he's different from a Rapper who's akin to a preacher . . . what does the preacher do?? He delivers the gospel with fervour and great gusto . . . he stirs up 'commotion' . . . half the time you ain't compelled to listen to what he's saying . . . it's mostly showtime . . . but the teacher?? He takes you into his world . . . he kicks knowledge and information into your soul . . . he delivers in-depth knowledge of his subject . . .

So in the spirit of the moment, game tells evrybody to shout 'f**k jay-z', as i see it he seizes the moment, he is yet to put them in a mind state of resentment against jay-z and whatever it is he stands for. most probably there are more jigga lovers in the crowd than jigga haters. so in this context is Game a real emcee? even though some may question the education, upliftment e.tc. in his lyrics.

The Game?? A good rapper . . . a great lyricist . . . can't call him an MC . . .

Aiight, the Game jumps on the stage and instructs his audience to shout "Bleep Jay-Z" . . . what has he done?? He has only asked his audience to do a particular thing at a particular time . . . he ain't controlling that audience by doing that . . . by "control" I mean when someone takes charge of/dictates events . . . he doesn't need to tell you to do a thing . . . he creates the atmosphere for you to do that thing . . .

Anyways, I said it before and I'll say it again - "Moving the Crowd" is even one point of the whole schizto . . .

The MC?? His words are convoluted and elevated . . . he ain't on the same pedestal with rappers . . . he's the raw embodiment of Hip-Hop . . . it's like the setting for worshippers in the Old Testament . . . there was the Outer Court, the Inner Room, and the Holy of Holies . . . rappers occupy the first . . . good rappers occupy the second . . . MCs occupy the last.

BTW, I wonder what the fuss is about being referred to as a rapper or an MC . . . I can't remember saying that one is better than the other . . . one calling is just different from the other, simple . . . it's like comparing a preacher and a teacher . . . both have different callings . . . however, one calling is overpopulated and the other is classy . . .

Slimshay, have you read Kool Moe Dee's "There's A God On The Mic"?? It's KMD's "hip-hop report card" . . . he rated MCs based on 17 different parameters, ranging from lyricism, longevity, freestyling ability . . . to vocabulary, body of work, and social impact . . . it lists the "true 50 greatest MCs" . . . and honestly, though I agree with some names on his list, I disagree with some . . . it's a man's POV anyway, so what can I do?? Every MC has his list (written or unwritten) of favourite MCs . . .

It lists artistes like Rakim, KRS-One, Notorious BIG, Kool G Rap, Daddy Kane, Lauryn Hill, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Meth, GZA, Pac, Common, Guru, Black Thought, etc . . .

Ain't it instructive however that with all the 17 different indices by which all these artistes were rated, this list excludes Canibus and Eminem??

Lalaboi, what's going on??

^{*You know what I'm talking about*}

slimshay:
@ Bamsyle, its nice to having you talking unadulterated intelligence again, abeg, no be yab oh, jus saw that you diverted to yabbing people on the forum, after u kinda anihilated bombsquad in the 'tu-fraud- thread.

Hehe . . . thanks mahn . . . but really, "yabbing people"?? . . . no, I only reacted to a thread that was set up for the sole purpose of tearing down a man's hardwork . . . it's the law of retribution - you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind . . . and y'know that some peops tend to bring out the worst in you . . . I didn't wanna do that really . . .  

but before i begin to accept that 'the eminems' (by the way my favorite rapper) aint a real 'emcee', then the parameters and yardstciks against which they will be scored have to be clearly spelt out.

The line, like I said earlier, is thin . . . it's like the fine line between a sage and an orator . . . the former speaks wise words . . . the latter speaks wisely . . . the former speaks to uplift/exhort . . . the latter speaks to impress . . .

But if you ask me for one, just one difference between the two . . . I'll immediately tell you that I'm certain the latter consults the former to hone his skills . . .

And I must say, I ain't no Hip-Hop head (my tongue fingers is are sore from saying typing that) . . . but everything I say here is based on my observations/reading . . .

That said, a rapper is someone who makes a career out of rhyming with words . . . that's his business, his vocation, his calling . . .

A good rapper is as simple as it sounds - he is someone who is good at "rhyming with words" . . . he takes things to the next level - he spins words, with that extra edge of creativity . . . the multies, the wordplay, the similes, the metas . . . and everything in between.

Letz look at it this way - anyone can be an entrepreneur . . . with the major tools of production (capital, labour et al), Tom or Harry can venture into business . . . but then not everyone can be a good entrepreneur . . . without the expertise, exposure, knowledge, information . . . even branding/packaging, etc required to survive in today's business world, Tom or Harry would eventually crash out of business.

That's how it goes with Rap Music . . . a good rapper spits impressively . . . he showcases his skills . . . on stage, he makes goose pimples appear on skins . . . his wordplay is amazing, his delivery intact . . . he employs multies, metas, and all the other elements of a good rapper, to deliver his verses . . . I swear he can even say simple things and make you stand on your feet . . . Why?? He's great with words - he's like an orator . . . he's like 'em new-age preachers or public speakers - the wisecracks, the drama, the gestures, the showmanship . . . even the cadence and the rhythm.

His major objective is to impress.

An MC is the raw embodiment of the Hip Hop Culture . . . he is the Rabbi . . . with or without the showmanship . . . he doesn't even need to rap, he might stand in front of a crowd and deliver a written speech . . . without beats . . . but something deep down within you connects to him . . . something is stirred from deep within your soul . . . he's like a sage - he speaks words mainly to educate, inform, enlighten, uplift, inspire . . . he's like a teacher . . . as against a preacher.

but then again who draws up the parametres. Kinda felt the crowd mover thing you were trying to describe but than, most often than not there is one dominant mood in a concert, presentation, gig and whatnot, euphoria, unless of course someone totally lame is on the mic. So in the spirit of the moment, game tells evrybody to shout 'f**k jay-z', as i see it he seizes the moment, he is yet to put them in a mind state of resentment against jay-z and whatever it is he stands for. most probably there are more jigga lovers in the crowd than jigga haters. so in this context is Game a real emcee? even though some may question the education, upliftment e.tc. in his lyrics.

Who draws the parameters?? Hmn . . . I don't know . . . it's more of a mind-search thing . . . it's in the subconscious . . . it's one of those things that peops kinda settle with the passage of time . . . and when measuring opinion in this regard, we hear things like "the Hip-Hop Community" - more often than not, this "Hip-Hop Community" ain't no particular/defined group of people within a defined geographical setting . . . such opinions are not even gathered/collected.

Yes, the predominant mood in a concert is that of excitement (hope I got you right??) . . . but when I mean an MC controls the mood, I mean he almost literally carries his audience along with every level of his ministration . . . he makes his audience cry, laugh, and do everything in between . . .  the audience would pay more attention to the rapper's showmanship, skills, delivery . . . same audience would pay rapt attention to what the MC is saying . . . his words are usually convoluted . . . swallow for one sec and you might miss volumes.

The Game?? A very good rapper . . . not an MC . . .

And I need to explain - a rapper who jumps on stage and tells everyone to "wave they hands in the air" or "shake what they mama gave 'em" is not "moving the crowd" . . . he's only telling the audience to do a particular thing at a particular time . . . most peops might even do that thing without any iota of confidence/belief in what he's asking them to do . . .

An MC would get on stage and speak a word . . . and without telling you what to do, he'll set the atmosphere for you to do it . . . "moving the crowd", like I said earlier, is one point of the schizto anyway.

Hope I tried . . .  

Rhymstein:
@bamsyle
ride on mane.I enjoy ur analysis,

Thanks bruv.

After all said and done, I ain't surprised at all the hate and desperately wicked moves being aimed at 2face . . .

As an artiste, he has reached that level of his career when such assaults are launched in a bid to either stunt his growth or blot out his memory forever . . . it's happened to peops from all over the world at the height of their careers so ain't nutin new . . .

The picture keeps getting clearer with each thread . . . I won't be surprised if those who've made several attempts to snuff out his life are amongst us here as nairaland members . . .

slimshay:
this debate about emcee and rappers when you start bringing different variables into it then contracdictions will arise.

I agree . . . and that was why I said the difference might escape even the keen observer's eye . . . there's a fine line between both . . . but really maybe we need to argue this out in some other thread as some o' y'all've already noted . . . was just passing by and got interested in the Rapper/MC angle . . . some catz are already tearing out some jugulars in here . . .  

for instance, 'an emcee is a crowd mover', have you seen eedris rocking a crowd, no kidding, this guy can move a crowd!!! does dat now make him a good emcee as against a bad rapper.

This thing about "moving a crowd", erm . . . I tend to see it in a deeper sense . . . "moving a crowd" entails much more than moving peops to they feet . . . or gettin 'em to nod they heads . . . or snap they fingers . . . etc . . .

It's much more about controlling the mood of the crowd . . . taking charge . . . dictating the tone/the atmosphere of the crowd.

A Rapper would get on stage and spit intelligent stuff . . . wisecracks that'll make peops go "whoa" . . . but at the end of the show . . . these peops'll leave, more impressed with the rapper's skills at "rhyming with words" than the meanings of those words . . .

An MC would get on the same stage and also spit intelligent stuff . . . before the same audience . . . and at the end of the show . . . the peops are not only impressed with his skills at rhyming with words . . . they're even more impressed with the deep, and, atimes convoluted or hidden meanings of the words . . . they're set trippin' hard . . . searching they minds long and hard for the meanings of those words . . .

you cant listen to modenine and not go did you hear dat, but then again he's not particular a popular crowd mover so, his he a bad emcee now?, even though he's got conscious and wow lyrics?

Exactly . . . and again I offer you my above explanation of the term "crowd mover" . . .

Most times, the MC does not even get you to dance or move . . . he only moves your heart, your soul, the deep recesses of ya being . . . he spits soul-stirring stuff (either with stories or plain grammar with no plot) . . . he is the essential wordsmith - the one you'll love to listen to without a beat . . . for e.g. a lot of fans and even critics of Mode9 give him props for "Contradiction" . . . that song ain't about showcasing skills or how much you can rhyme . . . it's more of what an MC would do . . . even when he entertains.

And that's pretty much the reason any rapper can spit a "wow" stuff . . . a rapper delivers spoken words - it goes without saying that he should spit impressive lyrics (even if it's once in a while) . . . even R'n'B acts atimes say some quotable stuff so why not rappers??

"MC", "Rapper" . . . both words are used interchangeably . . . that's why some folks would refer to Eminem as an MC . . . "MC" in the sense that he spins words behind the mic . . . and yes, he says stuff that'll make you say "did you hear that"?? or "did he just say that"?? I swear if I take the pains to go through lyrics by Lil' Wayne and Soulja Boi, I'll sight plenty of such wow stuff . . . the fact that Eminem spits a plethora of such words does not make him an MC . . . it just makes him a good rapper.

When talking from the surface, you can refer to Eminem as an MC . . . no one would bat an eyelid . . . but in its true context, he ain't even close to being an MC . . .

The difference between such passing reference and the real deal is like the difference between the generic term a "Man"  . . . and the descriptive word a "Man" . . .

Whilst the former refers to a human being of the male specie . . . the latter could refer to anybody, even a woman, with brawn/strength.

Just passing by . . . but I've just gotta say sumn about the MC/Rapper issue . . .

The difference between an MC and a rapper is like that between Hip-Hop and Rap . . . it might not be noticed easily . . . except you look and think hard.

Hip-Hop is the life . . . Rap is the verbal expression of that life . . . Hip-Hop is the Lifestyle . . . Rap is the Music in expression of that Lifestyle.

In that vein, the MC embodies the Hip-Hop Culture in its entirety . . . Rappers embody just one aspect - rapping.

Any dork who can rhyme with "fork", "cork", "rock", and "work" is simply rhyming with words . . . that doesn't make him a rapper . . . anyone can do that . . . a rapper is someone who decides to make a career out of rhyming.

Now, if this same dork decides to use multis, wordplay, metas, inner rhymes and end rhymes, he has only become a good rapper . . . not an MC.

A Rapper has a sole purpose - making Rap Music (most times, to sell albums) . . . that's why some rappers (like Eminem) make music that's mostly sexist and homophobic - they need to sell . . .

MCs make music to educate, tell stories and make people aware of certain issues . . . accordingly, an MC can be a rapper . . . but a rapper can never be an MC.

Most rappers also rap to show skills  . . . MC-ing is an art . . . and MCs don't always rap.

And though not the sole yardstick, MCs control the crowd better than rappers . . . rappers showcase their skills . . . they mostly entertain . . . MCs entertain . . . but also educate . . . they care more about the love and respect . . . they bring in an amazing level of intellectual upliftment.

Anyone can be a rapper but very few can be MCs.

Examples of MCs are KRS-One (mostly from the upliftment, education angle), Notorious BIG (mostly from the story-telling angle), Nas (education, story-telling), Rakim (upliftment), Talib Kweli (education), Common (education, upliftment) . . . etc . . .

An MC is more conscious as an artiste . . . conscious of each word, metaphor, rhyme, simile, and punchline he uses on a rap verse . . .

Canibus is a battle rapper . . . Eminem is a rapper . . . both ain't MCs.

And oh, BTW, MI ain't the best rapper in Nigeria . . . he ain't better than either Mode9 or Ruggedman . . . he's just a "breath of fresh air".

MrCrackles:
Sharon AKA Mr many usernames - 

It's petrifying . . . if he can do this on the internet . . . on a forum where 99% of posters are faceless . . . you can imagine what he'll do in the real world . . . the goon oughtta be behind bars . . .

And to think the whole thing was shabbily done . . . his moves were so lame even an 8-year old girlie would easily sniff out the loopholes . . .

I didn't even know he's been doing the same thing in other sections . . . I ma' visit those other sections to see what the dilly is . . .

Such a goof . . . the only 'popularity' he enjoys is on the internet (nairaland to be precise) . . . strip him of that and he ain't shiite . . .

The gook thinks so highly of himself . . . someone who claims exclusive rights to words like "ninny"  . . . ain't nutin as terrible as when a man is suffering from delusion about himself . . .

Someone had better put the tramp in check . . . before he self-destructs . . . 

Vealkyrie:
^^^^^^^^Oh my! Bamsyle and his bevy of irascible characters. I wish you pay more attention to meaningful things than building a conspiracy theory against me.

Hehe . . . the crossbreed between a planet and a movie is 'back' . . . how long will you continue to switch between between being a man and a woman?? 

Did i touch a nerve? LOLOLOLOL Take it like a man and stop stalking me. I don't have a problem with your sexual proclivities as long as they are not directed towards my person.

Nah, you touched and exposed ya alter-ego's diseased behind . . . getting outta the quagmire you've put yourself in would be more difficult than you thought, wouldn't it??

Talking about sexual inclination, does someone not need a sex transplant?? 

I will appreciate it very much if you ignore me in your splenetic chickenshit.

Nah . . . I won't stop until I make a kidney pudding outta you . . . aren't you a disgrace to whatever produced you??As a man, you were caught biting (even when you campaigned so vehemently against the same act) . . . as a woman, you came here to "murder" the English Language that you claim to be ya forte . . .

I will report you if i am pushed any further.

Hehe . . . under what moniker?? 

Let me leave now before i get "insultive".

Lemme exit before I "resort to derail" this thread . . . 

ofokasibe:
lol bamsyle i would have perferred valikylerie#$@ to sign in instead of sauron , sauron oya log out o.
we thot u have been arrested by e -police. where the heck has ur head been.

ROFLMFAO . . .

And BTW, where's Vealkyrie??

Ya alter-ego's in here opposing ya stance on this issue . . .

Why not come outta hiding and defend ya viewpoint??

LWKMDFH . . . Nairaland is one land too many . . .

Spot on Rapjunkie . . .

***Team Mariah***

eldee:
I'm not a Stan, I'm not even a fan . . . and I've done a crap job trying to hide that fact.

We're on the same page . . . to that extent.

But come on . . . rappers diss women all the time, stop acting like it's some new thing
50 Cent had beef tracks for Lil Kim and Foxy Brown, The Game went all out against Amber Rose/Melissa Ford, don't let's go to Jay-Z
We all know Eminem is a person . . . but nah, I'm not going to allow double standards affect the way I see things

C'mon Eldee . . . how can you compare "Wouldn't Get Far" and 'em rest with Eminem's "Warning"??

Did you read what the OP posted up there?? Compare those way-too-personal, agbero-dirty-fight lyrics that Eminem penned in "Warning" with these:

I done been around the world, been around the block
Been around hoes that bleeped Biggie and 'Pac
Like Rita Guerrero, ass took her to the top
She'll give you some brains you let her throw up the Roc
Let her put on your chain, she'll throw you some cock
Picture that like Meagan Good and Jamie Foxx
Hype said it's a wrap, she still on the set
Puttin oil on her likes like she Gloria Velez
She was (Eye Candy) in the XXL
Hopped off the page and on a skateboard with Pharrell
I knew she ("wouldn't get far" cos 500 dollars
can't get you that ("far" how you get that ("far"
And all these new video bitches tryin to be Melissa Ford
But they don't know Melissa Ford drive a Honda Accord
She a video vixen, but behind closed doors
She do whatever it take to get to the Grammy Awards

Rappers diss women all-a-time . . . but compare these lines with Em's lines Eldee . . . you'll notice pent-up anger and frustration . . .

Is Eminem an attention-seeking plonker?? Definitely. . . but what does Mariah Carey's reply tell us??
She emasculated him, he dissed her . . . so?? I don't care if he's a frustrated sod, but he did what he's been doing since his first album.

He did what he's been doing since his first album . . . plus more . . . I've never seen such a 'witless' rap diss all my life . . . 

She's 101 times more influential than Eminem in pop culture, she has a reputation to protect . . . replying just equates her with Lil Kim and Foxy Brown

Nah . . . replying does not in any way equate her with Foxy and Kim . . . I agree Mariah ain't no saint . . . but comparing the demons inhabiting her body with those in Foxy and Kim is sheer drudgery . . . Raging Tornadoes, Foxy and Kim are rappers . . . female rappers . . . who have to be extra B-A-D in a male-dominated genre of music to get noticed . . . they're 'street' . . . it won't move a hair on me body if they're the ones in issue right now . . . but this is Mariah Carey Eldee . . . an artiste who sings . . . who sings R'n'B . . . that fragile-looking thing . . . going to the studio to release a diss track against Eminem . . .

MC knew what she was doing . . . it was a calculated move . . . she must have thought meticulously about it . . . I can imagine real MCs like KRS-One and Common laughing at Eminem . . . the hood must be having fits of laughter . . .

She doesn't even need to say/do anything anymore . . . with that singular act ("Obsessed" . . . she won Eminem by a thundering landslide . . . 

What next?? We'll see Sarah Palin doing a 'Bleep Marshal Matters' LP??
It's a no-brainer, let relapsed psychos lie.

Nah . . . don't make it appear so idiotic . . .

The divas who dissed Eminem at one time or the other only did it for one thing - to deride him . . . his mom dissed him and the world was like Gosh, how can a rapper's mom release a diss track on her son??

Same goes for MC . . . oh, you think they're tryna cross lyrical swords with Eminem?? Nah, they can't even dream about that . . .

It's simple logic - imagine Mrs Agassi in the boxing ring with Tyson . . . it's spelled R-I-D-I-C-U-L-E . . . 

A-40:
When you hit a woman there's something about it that just shuts a woman up half the time.Did Carmen deny Jigga? Did Vivica deny Fiddy? she might say other things about you but chances are she would not deny it who-ha that ish actually went down

Hehe . . . I always trust ya to face facts and not spew sentimental rubbish . . .

The mere fact that Mariah (a diva/R 'n' B artiste) even had the guts to reply the mofo' is a big shame on Eminem . . . shows she ain't even scared of him . . . no respect whatsoever . . .

In this kinda scenario, a typical woman would call an ex a one-minute man and blah blah . . . Mariah denied this one blatantly . . .

How much more can a man be derided??  

who made me put up with her psycho ass over 6 months
and only spread her legs to let me hit once

Eminem is a loser . . .

Tut tut . . . MrCrackles, can you see what I told you earlier??

Very evasive denial . . . are we in court??

MrCrackles:


You need to convince us you are not "Vealkyrie"
Everyone has a unique posting style and it looks like you tried to disguise that a bit with "Vealkyrie". . . .I am close to being sure you are "V'Kyrie!

Don't mind the buffoon . . . his persona manages to squeeze itself through whatever veil he has used on this forum to cover it up . . .

You can trust him to be evasive on this one as usual . . . I've never come across a more confused fella all my life . . .  

You know the next thing he'll do?? He'll get Vealkyrie and Sauron online at the same time . . . and explain that it ain't possible for the two of 'em to come online simultaneously . . . he keeps shooting himself in the foot - he musta thunk (another one for ya diary ) every other poster on NL is daft . . .  

Very soon, he'll tell us (through Vealkyrie of course) that he wrote the English dictionary . . . so you must obtain his permission to use any word in it . . .  

Someone here needs to be told that Pac throwing a side-shot at Biggie's beau is incomparable to the epistles Em has on Mariah . . .

And there's a vast difference between Pac's diss to Delores and Em's to MC . . . Delores criticized Pac . . . Pac responded . . . Eminem had a relationship with Mariah . . . the whole thing packed up and he's been reacting like a loser . . .

Compare the lyrics of "I Wonder Why They Call U B****" with this track . . .

How can a rapper . . . a griot, a poet . . . pen those kinda lyrics in respect of a failed relationship?? Was that even a diss track??

Nah . . . it's something akin to what an agbero from Mushin would spew . . . 

~Sauron~:
Even after you were undressed by a female, you are still doing your wannabe thingy. . . . .
"U don't count in me books? Cheese n Rice. . . . .An ajegunle based tramp is spewing raw cockney.

Hehe . . . yes you don't count in me books . . .

How long did it take you to suffer in silence while watching this thread so keenly . . . before you created an ICP by the name of Vealkyrie to speak for you??

Another one - you're a troglodyte . . .

~Sauron~:
Buncha irresponsible twerps.

Sauron is Vealkyrie(no proof)
Sauron is Magnum(even after a dozen NLers met Sauron in the summer BBQ party)
Sauron is Rapjunkie's pal on AHH(misguided observation)
Sauron is y'all foster father

Everybody wants a piece of Sauron. . . . . .To be relevant on NL, u must pass a comment on Sauron.
Y'all idiots better get a job!!!
Anuofias!!!

Hehe . . . the dork has been unbanned . . .  

And I hope you learned ya lesson whilst you were left in the dustbin . . . don't try to fool anyone here . . . I ain't ya average cheerleader in the Romance Section . . . I know you're Vealkyrie . . .

At least I don't need to refer to Sauron to be relevant . . . you don't count in me books - you're just a nuisance, period.

@PollMaster



You really don't know the reason or you're just joking??

This should be in the Jokes Section . . .