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lalaboi:
From his Duplicate threads. . .

Saw that later too . . .

But then, "better rapper" does not at all times tango with Acceptability, Popularity and Class.

Lyrics Nah. Again . . .

Forget different languages . . . music is music . . . Letz compare based on delivery/rhythm/flows.

Still Ajasa.

Hehehe, interesting thread.

Makes me remember "Aya Mi Ma Ko Mi" by Segun Adewale and "Paulina" by Ebenezer Obey. Nice ol' tunes.

Dunno 'bout tribal war . . . or even lyrics . . .

Wait a minute, Lyrics . . .

Well . . . Lord of Ajasa's a better rapper 'newayz.

@Eldee

The verses in that joint woulda make a doctor go ill . . . whether for the mad wordplay . . . or the sick delivery . . . the whole lines are friggin' favourite . . . even a postman couldn't deliver 'em lines better . . .

And hey, I also noticed the whole song's kinda been posted in here, just like, erm . . . wait for this . . .

Mode9's "Contradiction" . . .

Thanks for completing those lines man, I'ma drop some more shortly.

J-Town lyricist, deep rhyme flow-er
Girls flock to him in twos - he like Noah
M gettin' high while the rest sinkin' lower
And yes I got a girl, and no you don't know her
I know the next question is the boy did Kel?
Haha, well, she said I shouldn't tell
All you gotta know is that Kel said chill

MI - I'm Hot Freestyle (that's one helluva track!!!)

@Lalaboi

I wonder too o . . . we're talking 'bout lines which are crappy from the word go . . . immediately you see/hear them, you need no interpreter to tell you how crappy they are . . . someone comes and says "una go bow" is crap . . . and goes on to give his own meaning to the lines . . . not the meaning originally intended by the artiste . . .

Can't we just be reasonable for once

@Rapj/Khanye



You guys want me to start arguing that I don't argue . . . oops . . .

@tolu

Aiight my man

@topic

"I'll run your brain around the block to jog your f*****g memory
You could date a stick of dynamite and wouldn't go out with a bang
You couldn't make the fans throw up their hands if they swallowed their fingers"

"313" - Eminem

Hehehe . . . I like the term "Hip Hop Journalist" . . . I might practise that full-time in the States one day . . .

Do I argue that much??

@toluwalomo

Aiight, school me man . . . 

I get whatcha mean, but punchlines and diss lines come under the 'battle aspect' of Rap. 'Punchline' is a general term for lines which may atimes include disses, jokes, etc. Most significant difference is punchlines always elicit laughter. Disses also do most of the time - but not always. Also, punchlines most times sound like they're not directed at anyone in particular. But they're used for battle raps.

Lemme illustrate with a joke:

A woman enters a bus with her baby and the following drama ensues:

Woman: Imagine that stupid conductor . . . calling my baby ugly . . . infact, I think I should go and give him a piece of my mind.
Passenger: Goodness . . . he said that? . . . I really think you should . . . but whilst you do that, let me hold your monkey for you . . .

The punchline in the above  . . . is the part where the passenger refers to the woman's baby as a monkey.

Same applies to Rap.

Ma point: Punchlines are jabs, though atimes may not come as disses to anyone in particular . . . atimes they come as brags - like when Big L said "I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't even met yet" . . . quite flimsy differences but punchlines are more omnibus in nature . . . it's a technical thing . . .

The usual practice is for peops to consider diss lines as punchlines when they're indirect - when they're not directed at anyone in particular . . . on the other hand, they consider 'em diss lines when directed at someone . . . if you check most battle raps, they contain loads of punchlines . . . Canibus' '2nd Round K.O' is an example - that song contains several punchlines . . . but because they were directed at a name, a face - LL; they are termed 'diss' lines and considered different from punchlines . . .

'Neways, we're here to have fun . . . you said it all when you said you're "just looking for creative and well crafted . . ." (diss) lines . . . I'll dig up some more and post 'em . . .

But I can assure you of one thang - the best crafted diss lines are punchlines . . . if this thread stays around for long, you'll see most of the lines posted under "Illest Hip Hop Punchlines" being replicated here.

There are very many good rappers, but when using the word 'great' to describe rappers; these come to ma mind:

1. 2pac
1. Biggie
2. Nas
3. Rakim
4. KRS-1
5. Ice Cube
6. DMX
7. Eminem
8. Jay-Z
9. Red/Meth-man (like A-40, I see 'em as twins. Also, I can only list the duo, not individuals, in ma Top 10 List)
10. Snoop Dogg

The first two names were not numbered in error . . . these 2 are the greatest ever . . . I rate 'em equally . . .

Honourable Mention:
Dr Dre, Busta Rhymes, LL Cool J, Chuck D, Craig Mack, Mos Def, Talib, Jadakiss, Ludacris, Kool G. Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Big L, Big Pun, Wu-Tang, Blackthought, Common, Immortal Technique, Warren-G, Lauryn Hill, Slick Rick, The Game, MC Lyte, Q-Tip, Naughty By Nature, Mr. Cheeks (of Lost Boyz), Heavy D.

Wow . . . so long . . . too long . . .  I'm out . . .

There are myriads of disses around but this one just gets me crackin' everytime I remember:

"I see MJ in the hood more than Curtis"

My Fo' Fo' - Fat Joe @ 50 Cent.

That line's not only hilarious . . . it's loaded . . . it's like summing up 9000 things with 9 words . . .

Besides, not criticizin' but this thread's like a replica of another thread tagged "Illest Hip-Hop Punchlines" . . .

Hehehe . . . you don't understand . . . we're just 'messing' around . . .

Lol, no it's not mine o . . . just trying to add spice to the list . . . thanks for the compliments anyway

rapjunkie:
@Bamsyle

My point is that there is no other song like 'Nigerian girls'. If there is, point it out to me. You mentioned Eminem but i think your analogy is wrong. Do u think if Eminem was Nigerian and released several tracks dissing his mother he would have sold a lot of copies?

You should know that the american market and the nigerian market are quite different. To use your own words, ' I know you're more intelligent than that'

Also,  I never said that 'nigerian girls' was the single reason for the abuse Mode has been recieving. What I did notice was that girls don't seem to like him. . . . . . .  at all  . . . apart from Khanye

I don't think when Mode started this, he intended to alienate girls. If he has, then he needs to do something to fix it. Thats my point.

You're not getting ma point.

I'm not aware of any Nigerian song with exactly the same concept as Modey's 'Nigerian Girls', but there are worse songs.

Dude, I ain't a woman but I'm certain that there's nutin more derogatory, abusive, and insulting to women than seeing them as sex objects and singing about such . . . Shina Peters has loads of such songs, same for Fela, Sammy Needle, Blacky, D'banj, etc. Also, have you ever wondered why Nigerian stand-up comedians such as Basketmouth and Julius Agwu 'abuse' women in 'em jokes and still get ladies cracking The one called I-Go-Die is even the worst of 'em all - watch all his performances; he can't do without being vulgar. Yet ladies applaud him.

Sunny Nneji sang 'Tolotolo', throwin' subliminal disses at ladies who strut their stuff - ladies dig it . . . so what are we on

My overall point is that girls may not like him, but "Nigerian Girls" has got nutin to do with it . . . it might be dependent on a lot of factors . . . that song did not backfire in any way . . . if it's a club banger, ladies would most prolly be shakin' 'em waists to it in clubs . . .

As a fella, ask yourself why ladies love some guys and hate some . . . it's not sumn you can answer straight up . . . some guys just seem to have a bevy of ladies always surrounding 'em . . . even without trying . . . others are not so lucky with girls . . . atimes it might be due to factors like looks, dress sense, money or the lack of it, etc. And atimes you just can't place your fingers on it . . .

I agree on your point on the difference between the American and Nigerian markets . . . but to a certain degree.

Agreed, if Eminem was Nigerian and he released songs cussin' out his mom, he may not have sold so much . . . but note that there's emphasis on the word 'may' . . . why? cos atimes there are certain things in life you just can't predict . . . especially in a country like Nigeria with a vast population of diverse people and norms . . . have you ever wondered who most of Eminem's fans are His lady fans cut across all races and nations . . . I've checked it out . . . a horde of Nigerian girls love him like crazy . . . with all his misogynyst themes . . . you think these ladies don't understand what he was saying in "Cleaning Out My Closet", "Stan", "Kill You", etc  They do.

Ladies in Nigeria ain't different from ladies anywhere in the world . . . even with the cultural differences . . . if they already liked Mode before he did the song, they'll still love him after, or even more . . . consider if sumn like RMD did that same song . . . even D'banj . . . we won't be discussing this. If ladies already hated a dude and he went ahead to release a song to praise 'em, they'll even hate him the more . . . when a lady loves you, you can't stop her . . . when she hates you, you also can't stop her . . . if a lady loves a dude, she'll see him in rags and treat him like a prince . . . if she hates him, she'll see him on a horse and treat him like a beggar . . .

I don't see any need for Mode to do another song apologising to 'em ladies . . . that's a tardy suggestion.

Hehehe, aiight Moonstone I feel ya. M9 ain't a comic rapper really. He ends up sounding serious even when he tries to be funny . . . it's his style anyway . . . I don't blame him for that . . . plus Da Grin is good too - and chronically hilarious

Aiight do yo' thang . . .

^{Hey, lest I forget - what are you doing in A-40's}

You and Mode . . . you're fast eclipsing Java's record you know . . .

I can't access the file. Can you upload on Rapidshare?

@Javalove

You're so irked that you posted the same thing twice . . .

@Khanye

Easy on the temper bruv . . .

@Funkybaby

Tell me the truth . . . are you really that offended by that song Sumn tells me that if a dandy rapper a la ladies man (the likes of MI and Naeto C) had done the same song, you wouldn't have been so vexed . . .
Also, sumn tells me you're just being funny . . .

@Rapjunkie

I agree that acceptance from ladies has a great influence on an artiste's career . . . it's a global thing . . . Pac said he advised Biggie to "rap for the b*****s" when he commenced his career - that it's a sure-fire way to success . . .

Plus it's a 2-way thing - some artistes sing to praise ladies . . . and they make it that way . . . others just clown even whilst dissing 'em and being misogynystic, yet ladies love 'em (Eminem is case study here) . . . I think being controversial, witty and somewhat 'having the ladies in mind' is a trick that always works for any artiste . . . Check the roll call - Eedris' approach-to-the-ladies is crude, that of Shina Peters, etc - crude too . . . on the other hand, MI adopted the be-good-to-the ladies style by doing 'Forever', and the list goes on - can't exhaust that . . .

And hey, I'm sure you know that "Nigerian Girls" from Mode ain't the single reason for the vituperations he's been receiving . . . I know you're more intelligent than that . . . you're just tryna be funny . . .

Get outta here man . . .  

@Khanye

What the deal son??

@Bajagold

Dude, you're entitled to ya opinion . . . leave me with mine . . .

Limit ma ratings You're gettin' thangs mixed up . . . I already explained what I meant by that . . . you lot just continue to fuss over non-issues in a bid to prove 'hip-hop head' . . . I told ya that those other ratings you mentioned are all off-shoots of the 3 broad classes of Delivery, Lyrics, and Wordplay . . . the word 'limit' as used there ought to connote 'compress' to you . . .

Am I a Rating Agency Why discuss an issue under 300 headings when it can be done in 3

Cos it involves Mode9 Are you joking Dude don't tell me you think I'm a Modey Stan/groupie . . . why am I even bothering maself explaining an issue to you 1000 times . . . no need to dwell on this . . . I believe the ardent posters/viewers on this section know where I stand on this one . . .

I'm beginning to doubt your abilities . . . are you for real When MTV was doing its ratings, did they do so based on all those your "metaphors, punchlines, swagger, breath control"?? In fact, add similes, idioms, parables, hyberbole, personification if you like  MTV did its frigging ratings largely based on consistency, number of albums/hit records, street cred, influence, etc.

Those are broad indices bruv, not these your so-called metas et al that you love with a passion . . . so you think Jay-Z was number one cos he's the best with metas, swagger, punchlines, and breath control?? What are you on

DBR further explained what I was tryna tell you in simple terms . . . plus I was also shocked to see Talib Kweli in your "Punchline Rappers Only" List too.

Opinions innit

That's what happens when there's freedom of opinion . . .

Opinion, like water and gas, should be billed . . . then the world'll be a better place to live in.

BajaGold:
This is as flawed an argument as I've ever seen,  Mode 9 is a punchline rapper,  he's not a lyrical emcee.
Ever heard the phrase. . . "you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song"

Punchline rappers are revered in the hood but it rarely translates into commercial success. . . see Cassidy, Gillie the kid, E-ness, Big L, Talib kweli. . .

Lyrical emcees transcend the hood and do well commercially without loosing their lyrical ability. . . see Jigga, Biggie, Eminem. . .

Even though you rate mode highly (and i do too) fact remains there's more to an emcee than wordplay and lyrics. His swagger, punchlines, metaphors, breath control all come into effect, 

So while mode9 may have numerous quotables, he still can't make a hot song!

Did I hear you say Mode is a punchline rapper and not a lyrical MC

You must be talking 'bout another Mode . . .

Bruv, if Mode is all about punchlines - believe me I won't even pay him no mind . . . why? Cos I'm not a fan of punchlines. That's why you'll never find a single punchline rapper in my top rappers list . . . I'm talking 'bout the likes of Biggie, Pac, Nas . . . also KRS-One, Eminem, Mos' Def, etc. I mean - these dudes throw punchlines once in a blue moon . . . not all the time like Big L, Canibus, Cassidy, Chino XL, etc.

I have a prob with peops describing Mode as a punchline rapper - overall. To me he's not . . . not saying he doesn't do punchlines but overall, he comes across to me as lyrical . . . letz not list the number of songs this dude has that are not based on punchlines . . .

And yeah there's more to an MC than wordplay and lyrics . . . if you've ever seen ma other posts on Mode, you'll know I criticize him more than I praise him . . . cos I feel he's got great potentials to blow up but he's not upping his game . . . I just decided to limit my ratings to delivery, wordplay and lyrics . . .

Why? Cos all those "swagger, punchlines, metaphors, breath control" that you mentioned are all offsprings of either Wordplay, Lyrics, or Delivery. Check it - are swagger (^{not in showmanship this time}) and breath control not felt in Delivery??; are metas and punchlines not part of Wordplay and Lyrics

I'm tired of so-called 'hip hop heads' always complicating issues . . . metas, punchlines, rhyme scheme, metre, bla bla bla . . . why expand issues when the whole darn thing can be compressed

Well . . . all said and done . . . Mode is still the better of the two . . . my opinion.

Lol . . .

You're forgetting the following:

Durella: "Life In The Zanga"

W4: "Sololy - The Journey So Far"

Modenine: "Lyrics - The Aftermath"

Ruggedman: "Beef - To Be Or Not To Be?"

MI: "From Jos To Lasgidi"

Faze: "Alone In The Plantation"

Rasqie: "Life And Times Of A Razz Kid"

Ikechukwu: "What's In A Name?"

Wande Coal: "His Royal Blackness"

Sauce Kid: "Yebariba - In The Name Of Swagger"

Banky W: "The Ebutte Meta Experience"

Omotola Jalade-Ekeinde: "Musicodrama - The Pains And Gains"

Genevieve Nnaji: "No More Drama?"

Timaya: "True Story (quarterly magazine)"

Maintain/P-Square: "We Re-invented The Remix"

@Moonstone

LOL! Who is the Kanye West and who is the Mode 9?
After he dissed girls from my place, how am i supposed to like that yeye Mode 9?

MI's the Kanye West . . . his delivery attests to this . . . he also admitted it in one of his joints, calling himself "The Kanye West of the West" . . . Mode's like Big L - raw punchlines et al . . . pays less attention to delivery, rhythm, melody, etc.

Moonstone, take it easy on this "Nigerian Girls" thingy . . . dude was just tryna be funny . . . but I assume he struck a wrong chord on ya - cos he's too serious a rapper to go comic . . . if MI had done that track, I bet you'll love it . . .

@Toyosi

, and seriously whos mode 9??

The most lyrical rapper on Naija's rap scene . . . yet . . . dunno of tomorrow . . .

@Maedan

At least we gals sef we get taste in rap small.

Lol, no doubt . . .

@idupaul

You are Paul . . . but believe me you don't play . . .

Thundering cyclones, how can MI be said to possess more intellectual prowess than Mode9

MI's good no doubt . . . he's into wordplay . . . it takes a world of intelligence to do that . . . also, if you take time to study him well, you'll discover he's a mix of all sorts . . . very flexible . . . influenced by various artistes . . . he's got the delivery of Kanye West . . . and atimes Lil' Wayne . . . he likes to play on words like Eminem . . .

But on the real tip, if it's gotta be raw unadulterated lyrical content . . . albeit brash and not fine-tuned . . . if you listen more with your mind than your ears . . . it's gotta be Mode9 . . .

Mode is like a sage, MI an orator . . . MI catches yo' attention from the word go . . . you gotta listen meticulously to hear Mode . . .

If you're a fan of lyrics et content, and you listen to Naija rap . . . you'll like Mode . . . MI can't even lace Mode's shoes on that level . . . if you're a fan of rhythm, delivery, cadence, you'll prefer MI . . .

They both are good for balance . . . and it's a free world yo . . . e'rrone's entitled to his/her opinion . . . but hey, when choosing either of both dudes, you gotta have a good reason . . . ain't good enough to compare MI with Mode from the intellect angle . . .

So how do I vote Should I vote based on their trademark abilities

Alright . . . Lyrics Mos' def Mode9.

Wordplay Hmm, MI's good on that . . . but by Jove, Mode even does more wordplay (cop more of his stuff and listen!) . . .

Delivery MI.

Mode wins.

Moonstone:
M.I - hands down. No competition. M.I is just hot and good at what he does. He has it all . . . delivery, beats and rhymes. I don't know why we're even comparing them. What Mode9 could not do since God knows how long. MI did it in a year and some months.
Who does not like Anoti?

maedan:
M.I. = Made Impact. The best ever! flows tight, ryhmes right - and sounds so freaking good! Mode who?

Ladies . . .

Of course you'll prefer MI . . . I'll be shocked outta ma wits if you said Mode 9 . . .

It's like asking a lady to choose between Kanye West and Big L . . .

I haven't listened to the song but if Lambo truly did that "Pot vs. Kettle" thingy, that's lame.

I thought there's a saying like "Hot as a tea kettle"? how can a pot be hotter than a kettle? Is it not all about their elements and boiling points? Whether you cook food in a pot or boil water in a kettle - once they both reach boiling point, feel 'em with ya supple skin . . . you'll be singing Naeto C's " . . . we on fire" as you experience the big deal . . .

You see, Rapj, that's why I continue saying Nigeria's standard for a hit song differs from those of other jurisdictions. There are some lines that you can't spin in some circles and go unpunished (at least peops would scorn the living daylights outta you). In Naija, there are so many crap lines laced over good beats . . . from even the so-called megastars . . . they're so many you just have to overlook 'em . . . if you pick up all the crap lines we have from Naija artistes and analyse 'em one after the other, you'll faint cos of fatigue . . .

Some lyrics we get to hear from most Naija artistes would make ewes out of school kids if introduced into their syllabuses . . .

Honestly, the system needs to be cleansed . . .

But you know what? On second thoughts, some artistes clown on their songs atimes. I've actually listened to Lambo's "Comot For Here" and on that song, he cuts across as a comic rapper to me.

I hope he was also clowning in this instance. If so, he might just be pardoned . . .

But if not? Those lines might as well be on their way to Lalaboi's thread - "Worst Lines Ever Used In A Nigerian Song".

doyin13:
Nairaland's endearing quality is its simplicity and that home page embodies that.

Co-signed.

Very simple features. Unique when compared to some other sites. That simplicity makes NL very easy to navigate.

pureminded:
FELLO BRODA'S LET'S BE SINCERE WITH OURSELF , This money is just a kind of gift and not bribe per se , This guys has a whole lot of tracks to play per day , so what your paying for is just for your song to be among the most played ones , that's all , if you want to do the legal thing , then go and drop your c.d at a radio station here in 9ja and tell them it's wrong for them to collect money , they will surely collect it from you (ahba why wont they ) but my broda if you hear anything that sounds like your track on radio , Maybe na your broda go record ontop cassete on tape and they play am to tease you, , Guys wake up , Even dem established artistes still give this guys some tips , tip, tip ,tip , you cant escape it as an UP COMING artiste dont u understand the business? this is not yankee , this is Nigeria , Green White Green, (True Talk)

Ahaba ,that's too much nah , Yo wan turn your friend to a 3-5k is ok for up coming acts and i bet , this guys know the tricks to force your stuff into nigerians mouth , (real promotion).

Artiste on here , I dont also support this but this is our own land (9ja) it has to be done, it's part of your sacrifice. Look for money and get your stuff pushed and at the end of the day your gon laugh when the gains starts popping in,

This is one of the reasons why, despite the so-called Anti-Graft War, Nigeria remains one of the most corrupt countries in the world . . .

This is one of 'em reasons I shake ma head in pity at Nigeria's stalwarts such as Gani Fawehinmi. Here is a successful lawyer who only needs to sit back, relax and enjoy his hard-earned money. But he keeps fighting for the masses. Which masses The same peops who'll turn their backs on you when you need 'em most The same peops who'll turn a deaf ear to his entreaties, pay N20 bribe to policemen and commit other acts that he is decrying The same peops that would then ask him "Who appointed you as our lawyer/defender"??

This country is not worth fighting for . . .

We're talking 'bout how it's high time some things changed for the better in the country and someone comes along to say "this is Naija, not Yankee; this is how it's done in Naija"?? How will things change

Why must DJs collect money at all to play a song? I just don't get it. If they've got so many songs to play, why can't they screen the darn songs and play only the best Must mediocrity and wackness be promoted at the expense of expertise?

We're here decrying a very shameful act . . . I ain't even a stakeholder so I got nutin to lose . . . whatever is bad has no other name . . . IT IS BAD.

Khanye, nice work there.

I love the 'Solo' track too . . . I'm proud of this dude . . . thanks Lalaboi . . . thanks Funky (I pray the guy blows someday) . . . thanks y'all . . .

Lalaboi, over to you . . . come to his rescue . . .

Don't have the track but I just had to comment on this artiste . . . he's one of the most underrated singers in Naija. Good voice, nice beats, unique concept/style . . . methinks the dude deserves more props than he gets.

Modenine.

Rapj, I got 5 words for you:

You have said it all.

I like your analysis, especially on Mode's potential to blow but the need to up his game and also connect with the 'local' audience. Nigeria has a standard for 'hit songs' that's quite different from that of other jurisdictions . . . and yes - he can do this without selling out or losing credibility . . .

I agree also on MI. Again, you've said it all.

@topic

I can't begin to compare MI to Mode . . . apart from the fact that he's got only one album for now, he's still very new on the block . . . plus I'm sure a great percentage of Naija audience would definitely prefer MI - he's got mainstream appeal, doesn't cuss (dude did not even need the "Explicit Content" warning on his album), has ladies appeal, and sounds marketable . . .

But when you want Rap on a deeper level, it's got to be Mode . . . Mode says a lot of great stuff that get unheard/unnoticed cos of his brash delivery . . . lots of metas and wordplay . . . if he can up his game to have a mainstream appeal, MI wouldn't even dare touch him with a 5000 meter pole . . .

MI is looking good . . . very promising aspirant for the throne . . . but for now, Mode's still the better rapper of the two.

Last word - MI vs. Rugged would be more interesting for me . . . both are on the delivery thingy (though MI does more wordplay) . . . Mode is mainly on a 'lyrical journey' so I really see no basis for comparison.

Caliente:
[font=segoe print][size=13pt]BIG FAT LIE! MI is the ish and F9 is shit. I like Mode but I tend to dislike him when his [b]bona fide zombie fans hyper blow up his hype beyond any thinkable proportion.[/b]

You like a man but dislike him cos of what his fans say about him

Why don't you stick to your convictions about him . . . should you blame him for his fans' utterances I don't think so.

I like word play more than punchline and MI's got that, comprende?

. . . . I solo like Isolo . . . . . .

I like good lyrics . . . I like wordplay too - and you think M9 ain't got that

He does.

With lines like "I'm smooth but I handle my friction", "Heaven knows I'm as nice as hell", "Bring the crowd to life by killing 'em with the flow", "I'm king in the subject of your discussion", etc, dude has got a good play on words . . .

I don't like the way Mode's fans go over-hyping him too but that would never make me ignore the glaring truth . . . plus I also don't like 'em rubbishing Rugged . . . Rugged's good . . . but Rugged's fans have also decided to go pound for pound . . .

You see I ain't against debates but I don't think it's right when we disparage a man just to elevate another.

Truth be told, M9 deserves respect . . . a dude with an album like Malcolm IX must be respected for his creativity.