₦airaland Forum

Donelli:
A thousand "likes".
Those who pay no attention to history are bound to make thesame mistakes.

Thanks dear . One of the greatest problems of Nigerian society is illiteracy. Most of them went to school without learning anything.

oyatz:
You are just abusing ( that is what you know how to do best) me but you haven't said anything about the subject matter.

The Op called for intellectual debate and not a contest for 'Insults, abuses or curses'

If not for your childishness and inattentiveness you would have known I am the OP. When you come here to insult IPOB you expect me to laugh and clap for you. I told you what you bargained for.

oyatz:
I don't think the IPOB leadership and their supporters have this level of exposure, knowledge and education.

With this your comment, you just exposed your ignorance and lack of education in a public forum without knowing it. You are obviously a product of failed Nigerian educational system who is lucky enough to borrow a browsing phone with 5mb in it.

No point enlightening you much, I will only remind you that without IPOB unmatched intelligence you would have been calling a Sudanees man your president today.

There is something I noticed about those advising us to participate in the election, they are mainly pdp members and atiku supporters who are banking on our votes to win the election. They don't care about Biafrans, all they care for are our votes. They hide this their real motive under the cloak of voting will give you voice, voting will help you control the government, voting will help you to vote out Buhari and elect a person who will listen to your call for referendum ( this is subtly suggesting atiku to be the one). They say this as if votes even count in Nigeria..

This is rubbish to me. You say it as if there is no precedence. We have been voting for time immemorial what has come out of it? Absolutely Nothing. How can we bank on Atiku when he is a dubious and duplicious person and is not in any way different from Buhari. Was it not the same Atiku that was talking about restructuring before the python dance. And immediately after the python dance and he thought nnamdi kanu was dead, he and other restructuring advocates muted the idea.

Let me tell you people what you are actually trying to do . You are subtly trying to lay a trap for IPOB by luring us to get involved into Nigerian politics. You did the same thing to Ojukwu and disgraced him to the point of making sure he was defeated by an unknown commissioner at the time in a position as small as a Senate election. You made sure he lost even in his own backyard. And that striped him most of the influence he had on igbos. In the end, what did be gain? Absolutely nothing and he lost everything. Including how history will remember him. And what did Biafrans gain from his involvement in Nigerian politics ? The answer too is nothing. We are still being marginalised and treated like 3rd class citizens. As if it wasn't all of us that helped achieve Nigeria's independence.

If there is one thing I like about Nnamdi Kanu, it's his knowledge of history and his uncanny ability to see and calculate several steps ahead. From the onset, he knew that going about the agitation through a political route will not yield anything. For instance, from the beginning, he identified that one of the major stumbling blocks in the agitation will come from Igbo political class. These are men and women who are already established and benefiting from the corrupt Nigerian political system. And will continue benefiting from it in so many years ahead.

Some of them are first time sitting governors who are almost guaranteed to go for a second term as governors and then thereafter go and spend the next 8-12 years in the Senate house. Is it such a person who will be hugely benefiting from the existence of Nigeria for the next 16-20 years that you will bank on to risk or leave it and help you actualise your freedom ? They don't care about the common man. They only care about themselves and their family members.

If at anytime Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB deviates from the current method they are using to agitate for Biafra and start seeking political method and political positions in Nigeria they will mess the whole agitation up. They will fall into that same trap Ojukwu fail into, and they will regret it. Though I strongly believe Kanu is too intelligent to even give such an foolish idea a second thought.

demolinka:
In essence you concede to the fact that Edo is not part of the proposed biafra region. Why do you include other south south states given the recent clamour for a Niger Delta republic in some quarters and the insistence on the non inclusion of the ijaw people in the biafran prospect by groups like the IYC? Do you have any research to show a majority or an overwhelming number of the SS people wish to be biafrans?

The other parts of south south states included are the parts that formed the old eastern region. The parts that fought the biafran war. That is the justification for their inclusion. Edo has no such justification.
as for IYC, Its just an organisation. The ultimate decision lies with the people. And that is the reason we are demanding for a referendum Which gives everyone a voice. Is after the referendum you can honestly tell if the majority of the ijaws want to be part of Biarfra or not.

demolinka:
This referendum you profer, will it be in the south east or nation wide? And in the case the biafra concept scores a minority in the results, does it put paid to biafra?

We are asking for a referendum to be conducted in all south east states and all south south states minus Edo state. And of course if during the referendum majority votes in favour of staying in Nigeria we will stay put in Nigeria and that will permanently bury the issue of BIAFRA.

bantudra:
their we disagree with you...we still dont think buhari is that useless....

Congratulations. Then vote him for a second tenure. What's our business .

Thanks to all of you who have been debating, and more importantly to those with contrary opinion from mine: those who think it's better we participate in the election than to boycott it. I appreciate.

Now let me tackle some of the issues you raised as to why we should vote.

One of the points you raised as to why we should not boycott the election is to "help vote out Buhari " this point while seeming to sound patriotic since Buhari has proven to be a national disaster, makes me think you guys somehow thinks we Biafrans are foolish people politically.

Four years ago when the mad man came on board, we told you people he will be a national disaster you refused to listen, called us hateful and inconsequential and went ahead to elect the most unworthy candidate of the lots to be our president. You wildly celebrated the victory of your choice over ours, but you never knew it was gonna be a Pyrrhic Victory.

Now he has brought sufferings and disgrace to you all, and you now want our vote to help vote him out. The answer is CAPITAL NO. we are not going to be part of any election to vote him out for the simple reason that we didn't vote him in. You guys did, so it's your exclusive responsibility to show him the way out. Even the Buhari himself openly acknowledged that we never voted for him when he made his famous 5% and 97% comment, and to your evil delight promised that he will treat us with contempt. Now it has downed on you people that we are not the only one feeling the brunt of his stupidity. Incompetence and bigotrism, you now want us to help on the rescue. We will not, if you know that 97% votes you gave him four years ago, just withdraw it and give it another candidate and he will lose. mathematically We will even be making the job easy for you by abcentending our 5% .

Helping to vote out Buhari is risky for we Biafrans. It will only deepen his hatred for us. and he can harm us with the remaining time he has to stay in power and when that start happening, the same you people who are here encouraging us to vote will be the ones laughing at us. Our mumu don do.

Donelli:
What do you think will happen if it is confirmed before the general elections that there's truly an imposter?

On marketing Biafra, that is ongoing. Courting Israel is strategic. If you win Israel over you're basically a "keep in view" with the US and you know how much influence uncle Sam wields. You don't expect every cough and sneeze to be reported on social media do you?

On the bolded, except you only listen to Radio Biafra on Saturdays I don't think this should be an issue. Radio Biafra runs continuously all day, everyday. If you actually think about it, does showing the world how fraudulent the system is not support the call for boycott?

Thank you bro, shalom. You took the world out off my mouth. I was about telling our brother kanubiafra the same thing until you said it.

@ kanubiafra.
Everything IPOB does is strategic and pre-mediated. There is always timing and proper planning to it. IPOB as you see it is far bigger than what has been made public. That is the mistake Nigerian government made and are still making about IPOB and their agitation. They erroneously thought IPOB is one small hungry organisation that startered with mere radio broadcast of Nnamdi kanu in London.

IPOB is made up of some of the most educated, rich and well connected individuals both within and outside Nigeria, and backed by one of the most effective intelligence agency in the world. Those our brothers you see on the street who carry placards and stage protests are just foot soldiers in the struggle who do the open Sensitisation . IPOB as an organisation is much more bigger and more sophisticated than that. It is that sophisticated minds running and backing IPOB that made it so effective, consistent, well reputed before the international communities and several steps ahead of Nigeria government.

So my bro chill, relax and follow events as they unfold. You will see the end. Besides don't you know it's more damaging for IPOB to expose such grand fraud that took place in aso rock than to even boycott the election. Even the Nigerian government are seriously wishing that IPOB will focus on their call for election boycott than expose jubril as an impostor. The election may not even hold if IPOB succeeds in establishing that the current occupant of aso rock is an impostor. The consequences , confusion and chaos it will create can only be better imagined.

BigIyanga:
Whild u boycott, they participate, win and keep ruling you. They’ll order shoot at site in you constitute any nuisance.

We have been voting and they have been rulling us, and at the same time issuing shoot at sight order on us. So can you now tell me the difference if we decide not to vote anymore?

Ojiofor:
I asked this question last time nobody have been able to provide me with answer. The question is.
If federal government continues to ignore IPOB call for referendum what will be IPOB next step or will they continue to boycott elections till eternity?

My answer is this, if the federal government ignores us if we boycott the election, will they listen to us if we vote ?

artofseduction:
M engaging u

Pls be logical with your points and don't throw tantrums


Can u in all honesty explain to me how boycotting elections will give you referendum and give examples of countries where it has worked.

Welcome dear and thanks for this reasonable question. Boycotting the Nigerian election Is a civil disobedience and one of the many pressure and negotiation tools IPOB intends to use to press home for a date for referendum from the Nigerian government.

IPOB as you know is Indeginous people of Biafra: an umbrella movement that is agitating and championing for the emancipation of BIAFRA from Nigeria in a peaceful and civilised manner.

For BIAFRA to successfully secceed from Nigeria in a peaceful globaly acceptable way without war, a referendum must be conducted in this BIAFRAN area, and for this to happen, Nigeria must agree to it. But to seat down and ask Nigeria for this referendum she will not agree, and that is a waste of time. And to come out on the Nigerian street to protest for it is suicidal as Nigeria government has a penchant to kill unarmed protesters.
So one of the most effective ,peaceful and harmless ways to press home for it is to result or threaten to result into civil disobedience which one of them is election boycott.
Observe that IPOB never said its members will not be participating in the forth coming general election, rather they said" give us a date for referendum or we will not participate in the election. They are too different things here. To simply ask citizens who are still part of a constituted entity not to participate In her election Is undemocratic and uncivilised but to threaten to boycott the election except the Nigerian government gives them a listening ear on their demand for referendum is civilised and democratic.

For Nigerian government to stand in the way of referendum against Biafrans is evil, undemocratic and uncivilised for two major reasons.

One, referendum is enshrined in the African union and United Nations charter which Nigeria is a full member and signatory to. To simply sign something and when it's time to lmplement or practice it you refuse to honour is evil and fraudulent. It's akin to to someone issuing you a dude cheque.

Second, Nigeria as a nation was never put together with any form of consensus agreement or consultation of the people. Lord Lugard woke up one morning possibly after a bad night and for reasons best known to him decided to merge us together and call us a nation. He did that without respect for for us as a people and with total disregard to our differences in value systems, religious and cultural orientation. But what he failed to remember is that that same backward black people he was seeing that time will one day get educated ,get civilised , know their right and worths, ask questions and push to determine who they are and correct this abnormalities . And that is exactly what you are seeing today.

So this call for election boycott while being a civil disobedience is justified by the fact that Nigerian government is the one failing to live up to her constitutional obligation to accept to fix a date for a referendum and will cold bloodedly murder her citizens for demanding for a referendum which is part of their fundamental human right.

One effect the boycott will achieve if "absolute " will be to create power vacum. Another will be to help send messages to the global community who will in turn help pressure the Nigerian government to accept to fix a date for a referendum as they wouldn't want the menace a power vacum will create.

Finally you demanded I give you examples of people that achieved their freedom by boycotting elections. And my answer is this, if you go through history and see how different nations achieved their freedom and come to exist, you will observe that these different nations achieved their freedom in different ways . some of those ways includes through war, referendum or some judicial process. While the methods they employed differes, one thing that is common among them is that they were methods they deemed effective in their place and time and according to realities they confronted in those places.

In our own case, we will equally be seeking for our own freedom through methods that suits the realities obtainable in our plight. IPOB are peace loving people, we will not chose the option of war to gain our freedom from Nigeria, we go for the option of a referendum. And since the Nigerian government is adamant in giving us a date for a referendum, we will use every risk free, effective democratic means withing our limited reach to pressure the Nigerian government to give us a date for referendum. And boycotting the election is one of the most potent and 100% risk free means we can achieve that. If we boycott the election, we have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose in our quest for freedom. Thank you.

I agree 100% with Nnamdi kanu's call for Ipob boycott Of 2019 election , for those of you who want IPOB to participate in the election I challenge you for a healthy debate here. Tell me why you Think Ipob should participate in the election. If you are able to give me superior reasons why Ipob Should vote, I will vote in the election and I will equally ask my people to vote as well.

So bring it on. Debate time.

Caveat : for those of you who lack mental substance to engage in any healthy civilised Online debate, who would rather result into insults and name calling instead of maturely and intelligently discuss sensitive issues, please keep off this thread. Cus while I am not open to insults and fowl languages, I'm at the same time not allergic to using them myself. If you deviate from the thread and it's purpose and result into childish name calling and abuse, I guarantee a double dose of it in response.

Nigeria

Foolish people and their stupid assertion. So its no longer that Buhari(Jubril) released him now to reduce the support of PDP. He is now working for PDP. Confused folks. Is not only PDP he is working for, he is working for INEC.

Gyengyere:
I was once like you but at a point I had to change my perception about Nnamdi. They say he has no international connection yet no country accept their proscription of IPOB as a terrorist organization. They seized his traveling documents only for him to reappear in Isreal and British government is now saying we will issue him new traveling documents. News of him being designated as an internationally protected person is now coming up at the same time.
Common guys let's be objective for once. This government should have remain neutral on the Palestinian matter but they refuse. Isreal has punched all necessary buttons. It is over!

I pity Nigeria

vankaid:
Not just me but millions of other sensible Anambrarians who knows a scam when we see one. Thats why Anambra is the light of the nation.
We are no fools and thats why our state is a model state today for so many people.
Besides his "no referendum no election" shit is a yahoo package people like mua can see from thousands of miles.

Who is going to grant you referendum when you go about insulting everyone. mtseww!

Oga you are not Igbo. Keep fooling yourself and think you are fooling anyone here. Your Nigerian cabals and their British collaborators could not succeed in fooling IPOB with a cloned Jubril and you think you can fool us here wit I am Anambrarian . you are not, its an insidious game you are trying to play with the brains of Anambra people so that it might look like there are some Anambra people who wouldn't want to boycott the election. But we know better. You are not smart enough to fool us. Anu ofia.

Honestly Nnamdi KANU was even kind in calling Nigeria a zoo. Nigeria is far worse than that. If Nigerian police can do this who is still doubting that the cabals can not clone late Buhari. Indeed there was a country.

oilPUSSY:
Since everybody is promising you goodies , let me also give you the one I have.

Sis hmmm am hungry too.

alexisok10:
If you were not able to see it by yourself up till now, despite it being well apparent, then it's would be a waste of time doing that, because you are his ardent follower regardless of that!

Please how do you want your thunder ; boiled , roasted , or fried ? You must be a big fooool. Maybe you think some of us are joking when we say we want secession. Next time don't come online to disgrace your self . Anu ofia. Thunder fire you for making false allegations against Nnamdi KANU.

Igbo men making Nigeria proud since 1914. Am just imagining how Biafra will look like when it finally came.

Lloydfather:
you just make my day. I will like to get u a 5mb MTN data, pls a DM

Awwww that's another one. Honestly @ gidigidi that your response deserves an award.

@ op have you seen what you have done to your self ?Am still waiting for your reasons why Nnamdi KANU is a fraudster. And my thunder is warming up if you are unable to bring that.

Kamanuozuzu:
I'll add one pot of Nkwobi.

@ gidigidi nwanne I don dey envy this your table ooo. Please tell me you are a born again and you don't take alcohol so that I can take all these on your behalf.

alexisok10:
NNAMDI KANU: A MAN WHO BLINDNESS BROUGHT TO PROMINENCE

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Indeed I must admit that he's a man of high intelligence despite being of very low good conscience.

I used to take the people of the Southeast to be the most intelligent people of the nation, however this is one instance where that assumption is seriously being put to test.

For when I see people who ought to know better exhibiting such a high level blindness In this respect, it gives me a huge reason to be concerned.

I mean how is it possible that they have not been able to see how deceitful and crooked that chap called Nnamdi Kanu is, I mean how?

It's so glaring that even a blind man can see it, as a brother would say, but in a world where blatant lies could be easily sold to people as the truth, this has proven that anything is indeed possible.

@ op
I am an ardent follower of Nnamdi KANU. But if you can point out just one thing that made him deceitful and crooked as you alleged, I will stop following him from today, drop everything about the agitation, apologize publicly and preach one Nigeria. Over to you.

gidgiddy:
I don't think anyone had to like Martin Luther King before they accept that racism is wrong


I don't think that anyone had to like Mandela before they accept that apartheid rule is wrong

I don't think anyone had to like Mahatma Ghandi to realise that colonial rule cannot be forever

So it follows the same pattern that nobody has to like Nnamdi Kanu to realise that self determination/freedom is a right everyone has.

The white majority did not like Martin Luther King, the white minority did not like Mandela and the colonial masters did not like Ghandi

Majority of Nigerians wont like Nnamdi Kanu who seeks to break up Nigeria. The important thing to note is that Nnamdi Kanu is preaching the freedom and self determination of his people via the democratic instrument of referendum and this is a just cause in all sane societies.

Wether Kanu himself is a good person, a fraud , a charlatant or any negative is beside the point. The message is what is important, not the messenger

Am also owing you extra three bottles of hero and two plates of pepper soup.

JimD:
I am hopeful in Nigeria. Although I do not have a PVC, I pray for better leadership. Obviously, Buhari failed Nigerians. But something I want to point out quickly is that APC understands leadership better than PDP.

And seeing the writing on the wall, it is possible that APC might win the 2019 presidential elections again. Why? They have a cause.

I am neither PDP nor APC. But I believe in Atiku, he understands the economies of large countries, much like corporations, better. But he doesn't have a cause.

Why is it important?

Buhari won in 2015 because of the Change Mantra, by Tinubu, the strategist, which drew a large following - The cause was that the country desperately needed a change. And these begat many promises which were largely unfulfilled.

Come 2019 campaign, they came up with another Mantra, which is Next Level. Another ploy to appeal to the sentiments of the cult-like followers who believe this might actually be the breath of fresh air we have been waiting for. Which in every way, I believe, they will be disappointed.

Anyone who might have read the 50th law by 50 cent and Robert Greene will understand some leadership thought patterns. Here is something that applies here.

"The Unifier - A group needs a centripetal force to give it unity and cohesion but it is not enough to have that be you and the force of your personality. Instead it should be a cause that you fearlessly embody. This could be political, ethical, or progressive - you are working to improve the lives of people in your community , for instance. This cause elevates your group above others. It has a quasi-religious aura to it, a kind of cult feeling. Now, to fight or doubt you from within is to stand against this cause and seem selfish."

So this cause is something that is missing with Atiku's campaign. Its more about personal sentiments, qualifications and finding of faults, without addressing a major issue, a major cause.

Even if its propagandistic, I can assure you that if PDP would win APC in 2019, there needs to be a major cause. Atiku needs to take this out of Tinubu's playbook.

Oga Yoruba boy. Its funny the way you are trying so hard to credit your Tinubu with intelligence he never had. You even quoted Robert Greene.
What APC is doing is that they are lavishly imitating Obama's campaign strategy. And that is not surprising; the 2015 CHANGE campaign message they used was never Tinubu's brain work ( what does Tinubu know about strategy) . it was crafted by no other person than David Axelrod whom APC hired then to craft their campaign strategy. Then come 2019 Next level theme. It was a clue taken from Obama's reelection theme FORWARD. So it has nothing to do with Tinubu. Its just an imitation done by a people lacking genuine ideas. ( in case you don't know, David Axelrod was Obama's chief campaign strategist who ran his two presidential campaigns)

As for Atiku he doesn't need much to defeat Buhari. Its already a done deal. And the reason is simple. The northerners will massively vote against Buhari as they will need Atiku who can occupy Aso rock for another eight years as against Buhari who can only go for just four years and return the power to the south. Besides the real Buhari is long dead. The current one is an imposter.

Foolish government

Am afraid before Nnamdi KANU broadcast tomorrow, we might hear that Bihari is dead in other to bury the matter finally.