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oluwdashmi:

@ poster:
My ans goes thus: Did the president tell you he believes in miracles? Does he believe in the same God or religion as the pastors'? Without that, miracles can't work!

Has he told you he will die in office or even immediately after his presidential assignment? What if he believes in medical/physical power more than the spiritual?

Yes, he is not a christian and it is the same GOD. But that is not the issue but his faith matters most. Your miracle is backed by your faith.

Believing in miracles or not does not stop miracles from happening, it is you who need a changed situation not God. Neither does believing in God stops God from being who he is, he remains the same.

Our God is not a God of FORCE, he is a God of CHOICE.

Stay blessed.

For all those who think pastors should go to beggers and heal them: Do you go to the hospital when you are sick or the doctor comes running after you or does your employer comes knocking at your door or you go seeking for the job?

Titiw4real:
does he request any miracle from any pastor? what is your own? if u want to belive belived and if u dnt stay away.dnt blame any pastor if not God will fire your mth.

Easypizzy:
@oluwdashmi , you are right. Jesus himself never run around following sick people in order to heal them, the sick came to Jesus. Through their faith they were healed.

@poster You are just confused. Do you believe in Jesus?
Do you really beleive in miracles? But you need to first believe in the miracle worker!

When Jesus was on earth, he was going about doing good, then what stops these pastors  from going about doing good ? Pastor Adeboye shouldn't have  just prophesied to Yaradua about his health, he should have prayed for him,

How come all these miracles they claim they did dont have any third party concrete prove ?
When JESUS CHRIST did all his miracles they all had concrete preoves, he even told one to go and show him self to the people and tell them what the Lord has done for them, his miracles were open and were giving as a sign to prove he was the son of almighty God, no one debated, challenged or even argued if miracle did take place or not, they were even marveled at his miraculous works, How come people now argue the authencity of the miracles these pastors claim they did ? Is truth not suppose to be very obvious ?

The wast most single fatal mistake you will ever make in this century is to allow a fellow african man to brainwash you.

OBVIOUS:
I understand the posters question and I agree. Plus, i think that it will be a good time to show gods powers to the entire world by healing the man instead of letting him waste our money on medical bills!

Please help me tell them.

How can i get to that guy ?, i was told he still lives, I just heard he was a capenter and for 18 years he was helping his father making furniture, and from his record, i guess he was a genius, i want him to construct one for me,

How do i get to him ?

mayoklashy:
banom u've not answered my question. where did you hear or see that pastor Adeboye said that he prophesied Obama's victory?

You are realy out of touch, next time before you defend someboday, try to know much about him, if you didn't see or hear it, just go through the religion board of this forum, search for 2009 Prophecy by Pastor Adeboye, and you will be shocked the kind of Nostradamus you have as Pastor.

stonedlive:
quote from banom



@banom

kindly permit me to run this familiar story in the new testament by you, jesus christ was to be tempted by the devil and amongst the three temptations was this one which am sure you will remember (from the little sunday school that your malee  force you to attend as a little boy) the devil said to jesus if thou be the son of God(if thou be a man of God) change and convert the state of this stone from its inedible state to delicious edible bread(heal someone somewhere who has not asked or solicited intervention miraculously by the God you believe and ascribe  reverence to. now am sure you can help complete this portion of the story! what did jesus say to the devil, ok ok you must have slept off in sunday school , let me help you out , he said thou shall not tempt the lord your God, ok let me give it a rest, for a few minutes then we will continue our re-evaluation of the things you assimilated during your sunday school classes, lol

So i am now the devil ?

Remember devil challenged JESUS by asking him to turn stone to bread, but i am only asking why, any way that didn't as well answer my question ,

Get me something clearer.

PurestBoy:
Actually I need one, maybe you can get one for me. I have a B.Tech in Industrial Chemistry

I would have seeing what i can do about that, But i am just scared you will end up giving the gratitude and credit to your pastor, claiming it was for his name that was mentioned in my post that brought you in to it and it ended up geting you a job .

Any way how is your beautiful queen and the val generally ?

PurestBoy:
Huhm, You and your beautiful queen, how beautiful is she? Post her pics and I'll post mine. I bet mine is more beautiful than yours

You no get job.

alex406:
@ poster,
Dem suppose lock you for 3 days inside kirikiri cell make you learn lesson small.Why not heal him urself after all you are a human being like others.

Is it that some of you dont read before you reply ? have i said any thing wrong about any body or i am simply asking for clarification, Thank your star because today is vals day, i am in a good mood with my beautiful queen, i would have thought you how to insult people, may be Kirikiri is now your new arena for miracles ?

Any way from some reasonble replies from some few sensible persons, i am getting some clarification, But it is not yet enough, I just had we are not worshiping the same God ,

Please i need more clarification .

PurestBoy:
I apologize for calling you idiot. I don't want to stand your flame because I no wan anytin wey go spoil my Valentine show tomorrow. I just don't like your judgmental attitude toward our pastors. Eventhough they are fake, you have no right whatsoever to pronounce judgement or tell who they are.

If you sincerely apologise, moddify it, that will do better, i am not an idiot, i am only trying to get something clear,

You are just the one who mentioned the word FAKE i never did, so you are the judge, not me,

If  you carefuly look at my post, you will see that i mean no harm whatsoever, i only want to find out why some people blame our leaders for not been responsible and performing their national civic duties and wasting our recources, while all these aclaimed miraculous workers cant do their own obvious national duties,

The bible said that if God watchet not the city, the watchman watch in vain, and they preach it,  So if God didn't interven in our national affairs, we ara all jokers, and the most important national issues now is our president health ,
Dont you think so,

Why i am confused is that, all these pastors claim performance of miracles, signs and wonders, and our president is dieing, shouldn't he recieve his own Miracle ?,

Personaly, as a christian, i know that JESUS is not against those pastors healing our President,

It will be a big shame on all of these pastors, if our president dies of ordinary Kidnee ill health, and they are bosting of healing a blind man, cripple, deaf and dump,driving 200miles with spirutual fuel and prophecying/predicting
tommorow,

How come Pastor Adeboye prophecied President Obama's victory and he can't say a word in our own president ill health ?

Somebody please get something clear to me.

PurestBoy:
Leave the idiot called Banon, I guess he has been paid to attack only the pastors leaving the other imams. I don't know when some people will start seeing miracles as something beyond human and physical understanding and these are the people that believe that a virgin gave birth to Jesus.

You see why some of you so called christians make  me sick atimes, I just asked a simple question and i equaly made it known that i am confused and i need clarification, all you can do is to start calling me names as if you can stand my FLAMES when i rain them on you,

So the miracle you are expecting to happen now is for me to get convinced that all those  Pastors do perform all those miracle they do show us on TV and still can not just say those their words and our president will get healed ?

As for imams, i am yet to see any one that brags about him performing miracles or driving 200miles with spritual fuel.

all i am saying is that we do hear "Give JESUS a big hand" on Tv, and we want to give it to him in ASO ROCK.

My question still remain,

1, WHY CAN'T PASTOR ,E.ADEBOYE,CHRIS OYAKHILOME, T.B JOSHUA PRAY and heal President Yaradua ?
2, Are they not seeing that the man is going ?, Do they want him to die ?.
3, If president Yaradua had called for miraculous and powerful pastors to come and take 10 billion nairal each or federal appointmdent, won't they go ?

If you say that Yaradua is not a christian, didn't JESUS himself ask us to pray for even our enemies, and didn't he die for Yaradua as well ?

Please i need answers .

toffee2lov:
I know that u are asking this question out of criticism and bias mind.When talking about the miracle of healing it has to do with the mind of the reciever of the miracle been fixed to the almighty God and have a complete paralel faith with he or she that God want to use for the miracle.So relating this to the case of president yar'adua it might be somehow difficult becos Yar'adua is a person of ur like mind who hardly believe in the miraculous power of God via christ Jesus and becos of this any pastor of whatever category that go to Yar'adua to challenge the spirit of sickness in his life will just waist his or her time becos he to be prayed for does not request niter does he prepare his heart for any miracle so. Let us always watch our tougue.

You shouldnt have said that you know i am asking these out of criticism and bias mind,

One thing i will have to conclude is that these men do miracles that are just normaly possible, they take advantage of events and peoples achievement, when they pray and it didnt work out they will tell you that you dont have faith or that God knows why it has to be so, all these pastors , why can't they pray and things will change for good in Nigeria,

I am just scared, because when something reaches a level it will be very much obvious to the public, they will start giving unnecesary excuses, IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN  IF ANY OF THEM HEALS YARADUA, dont you think it will make many of us Nigerians to believe in God ?

Yaradua appointed many christians in various positions, Now it is time for christian pastors to pray and heal him , you are now giving excuses,  didn't JESUS ask us to pray even for our enemies ?

I ask again, If yaradua calls for powerful and miraculous pastors to come and take 10 billion naira each, won't they go ?

Kobojunkie:
Yeah ! Yeah!!! It is always that way, beautiful TO YOU ! But do you think she will be beautiful for MY OWN EYES!! lol

Ever since i met you on this FORUM, i had always loved and shared your views, but it seems this days you have developed eyes problem, since you can't see that Aish Yaradua look very ugly and timid, i suggest you have your eyes examined, If you look at my beautiful girlfriend with this your present eye, she will definitly not look beautiful in your eyes since you now see oposite, Beside my baby girl will Bleep your style up.

[quote author=i_laugh link=topic=232987.msg3463606#msg3463606 date=1234511828]As usual, no answers given for the poster's questions, only arguments and big english that has nothing to bear on his questions, shio.[/quote]i just wonder o, all these does not answer me at all, we all know how these pastors behave, they all want name, credit, achievement, they even try to take credit for other peoples own achievements saying it is there God or it is because they said it,

Recently Pastor E. Adeboye was braging to be the one who prophecied the victory of president Obama, as if , if he never predicted/prophecied it, Obama wouldnt have won,

The same Pastor Adeboye was saying his 2009 prediction/prophecies, and he told President Yaradua some prediction/profecies and he even made mention of the presidents ill health, so why dont he pray and heal him since he has the powers,

My point is, these pastors preach, tell and show us alot of miracles on the TV, of which many have argued as staged which got many of us confused,

Now we have an obvious national potential miracle which will convince us all that they are saying the truth and non of them is doing any thing about it, Still they brag about there powers, if they truely have such powers , is our president not supposed to be no 1 beneficiary ?

If Yaradua now says all those who have miraculous powers should come and take 10 billion naira each , won't they go ?

Please some body should get some things clear to me ?

otokx:
Lets all pray for the quick recovery of our dear president.

Do we need to do all that when we already have profesional miracle workers who can do that better  for us.

Let one of them come out and prove their powers.

Kobojunkie:
My questions as they are,are direct; please provide answers and confirmation where necessary.

KOBOJUNKIE, is it that you didn't get me right in my first reply ? i dont want the attention of this thread to be directed to my personal beliefe, all i am after is our president's ill health, i am supposed all these aclaimed miraculous men of God should have done something to help issue, since they can even heal a blind man,

Besides, the same God they preach about is said to provide water and sunshine to every mankind irrespective of your religion,
Please somebody should get somethjing clearer for me.

Kobojunkie:
Since you are not willing to discuss your religious belief publicly, here are some questions for you

a) Is it your belief that Miracle’s are on command?
b) How do you know what another believes in or does not believe in?
c) How can you be sure the president believes in the SAME GOD as the pastor’s in this case?

d) Do men of God have superpowers of some sort? Is that a part of the belief your subscribe to?

Good , you are actually getting some things clear to me,
So we are not worshiping the same God,

Please come up with something to make it clearer.

Kobojunkie:
she is not ugly!! From the much I have seen so far with Nigerian men and their wives, I can bet that she is prettier than your girlfriends/wives. Prove me wrong!!

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=232279.msg3461232#msg3461232 date=1234455479]Really? What if they dash you for free?

_{By the way, did you get my mail @Kobojunkie.}[/quote]sorry if you must know, i date one of the most beautiful girl in the world, her name is Jessica, she mean a whole world
to me.

that our president daughter is shit when compared to her.

that girl is too ugly, even when paid i can not marry her. Her mouth looks like computer mouse

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=232987.msg3460321#msg3460321 date=1234447458]Yuo've just regarded miracles as an available resource in Nigeria.

I love your humour. [/quote]They place advert everywhere soliciting for people to come and recieve it, and people troop in millions for it, isnt that a recource, i guess spirtual type.

Kobojunkie:
@Banom, do you personally believe in God? If yes, do you believe in miracles?( simple questions, and simple yes or no answers needed).

wth due respect to you, i do not intend to discuse my religious believe publicly. Thanks.

Meanwhile, are you trying to say that our President may not belive in God and in Miracle ?

I just need to know why our so called powerful men of God have not done something to cure our president, or has it reached now that we can see obvious miracle, excuses are now coming up?.

dgreatrock:
Is he asking for God to heal him; did he meet these pastors for prayers?

i am not sure, because he does not believe in the true God of the holy bible

You have just said something i pointed out i the first post, this thread is not about religion, it is all about avalable recources in Nigeria, we have men who has power that can heal our president, then why haven't they done so ?

I repeat, are you saying that if the president had called for men of God who are powerful and can perform miracle to come and take 10 billion naira each or a cabinet position, won't they go ?

superboi:
it depends on which suituation you are in life, if u lack vit c mango is more superior if u need to more in style maybe the lexus jeep is more relivant. but non is more important, that my own view sha

So which situation is our president in?

I am only asking these because i believe if our country realy have such acclaimed powerful men of God who do all these miracles , then why are they watching our president dieing?

or should i believe all thos things we do see on TV is realy staged ?

Why cant they do this one that will be obvious to all of us Nigerians ?

If the president had said that all Nigerian men of God who are powerful and can perform miracles should come and take 10 billion naira or one cabinet appointment each, are you saying that they wll not go ?

superboi:
which one is superior, mango or lexus jeep?

I should be asking you.

superboi:
my broda this is where science and faith differs and this is why they should never be mixed, while a scientist must be a proven man, a prophet or iman or pastor must be a believed man.

so which one is superior science or faith ?

superboi:
one great philosopher once said " for him who would believe no miracle is needed, for him who has doubt in his heart no miracle would be sufficient". i guess you in the second class my dear friend banom. if you truly doubt the men of God as you say why do you still request a miracle from their Gods? , why do you still listen and bother about their prophcies?. you can just walk on by, you have that choice remember no one is forced to believe.

Your guess was very wrong, like you said, if i doubt them why should i expect miracle from them , and why would i ?

i am only demanding they do so since they are aclaimed men of all mighty God who can do all things without difficulty,
Those men made us believe there God can do every thing and that they are his men whom he has giving the power to perform signs and wonders, Healing etc,

Now action time has come,

If they do heal my president, then they have proved beyong any resonable to doubt that there God can atleast heal Kidney problem.

or dont you think so, or may be they want the man to die.

if that they can realy do that , what is stoping them ?

I AM BEGINING TO GET SOME THINGS VERY CLEARED NOW, ALL THE SO CALLED MEN OF GOD IN NIGERIA CLAIME THEY DO MIRACLES, THEY HEAL THE BLIND, SICK, CRIPPLE, DEAF AND DUMP, THEY PROPHESY WHAT WILL AND WILL NOT HAPPEN, THEY TELL TOMORROW, ONE OF THEM EVEN RECENTLY BOSTED OF PROPHECYING OBAMABS VICTORY,

NOW MY POINT IS, IF THEY DO ALL THEY CLAIM, WHY CANT THEY PRAY AND DO THERE MIRACLE SO THAT OUR PRESIDENT WILL BE HEALED, OR ARE THEY NOT SEEING THAT THE MAN IS GOING ?

OR WILL THEY WATCH HIM DIE EVEN WITH ALL THERE POSSESED HEALING POWERS ?

SOME ONE MAY SAY THAT OUR PRESIDENT IS NOT A CHRISTIAN AND MAY NOT RECIEVE MIRACLE, DOES IT MEAN IT IS NOT THE SAME GOD ?

PLEASE I NEED ANSWERS OR I WILL STOP BELIEVING IN THE SO CALLED MIRACLE.
THANKS EVERY ONE.

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