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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 12:48pm On Feb 22, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
Answer the questions, or shut your trap forever. I've indulged your diversions enough.



You're carefully avoiding these questions because you know answering them honestly will utterly destroy your inane propaganda, and prejudiced narratives.

Get lost.
A certain prime property listed 42 years ago at $20m is now worth $18-27m.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/16/garden/post-home-for-sale-for-20.html

Shove your propaganda sources where the sun don't shine.


Mar a Lago.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 11:52am On Feb 22, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
You refused to answer my questions, and now you want me to oblige you? It seems you've forgotten how this discussion started and which party has the burden of proof here? You're not a serious debater.
I get my info from a lot of sources..Where do you get yours. You are the one whose blatant lies I keep pointing out.
The worst you can get on is misunderstanding. Unlike you it's usually totally made up fake lies.

Put down your credible sources so we can compare notes. I most of the time provide links.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 11:00am On Feb 22, 2024
Obrigardo:
This same David Weiss who just indicted this Smirnov guy. Did you read the scathing indictment at all?
Yes David Weiss was appointed by AG Bill Bar to investigate the criminal family.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 9:31am On Feb 22, 2024
Jessicarabbit and dahighlife. While I'm waiting for your credible sources Is this a credible source of Biden corruption?

https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/21/james-biden-story-china-deal/

NB
Dailycaller co-founded by Tucker Carlson
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:36am On Feb 22, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
I'm not asking for proof, I'm asking for logic. I recommend that you look up the difference because you seem to have a hard time distinguishing between the two. You can provide neither proof nor logic to support your claims, and that's why you easily resort to cheap strawmen attacks, like responding to my post as if I ever claimed that a supreme court female judge can define a woman, when I never did.

Intellectual dishonesty is a cancer on productive discourse, and you have made yourself its' willing carrier.
I use logic to determine my conclusions.
I also need one credible source according to you .Or better still One credible journalist from any media house.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:33am On Feb 22, 2024
DaHighLife:
Do I truly need to do this again? These instances are merely a couple of examples gleaned from the limited number of your posts that I've read.

Initially, there was a discussion about Juries wherein the comprehension of their function and the distinct standards of proof requisite for different types of juries seemed lacking. This confusion between a grand jury and a civil trial jury highlights your fundamental misunderstanding of the workings of the US court system.

Furthermore, your assertions in the post I commented on appear to be contradicted by the very article you provided. It was not Judge Engeron who structured the case, but rather the prosecutors. Consequently, he was obligated to abide by the laws set forth. The prosecutors sought an "equitable remedy", aiming to recover what they perceived as the fraudulent gains Trump acquired. This determination, by law, fell under the purview of the judge, not a jury. Thus, your interpretation of the article appears flawed.

Based on what I have observed here, engaging in a back and forth with you wouldn't be fruitful nor productive. And with regard to your persistent reliance on 'common sense,' it's important to acknowledge that while common sense indeed has significant value, it can't replace expertise, particularly in evaluating complex sunjects. I urge you to familiarize yourself with the 'common sense' fallacy and to read Judge Engeron's ruling for a more informed perspective. I would assume you would also believe constructive discussion is best approached from a foundation of knowledge. Cheerio.
All boils down to sources..I usually try and quote my sourcesFor future reference.
I only need one answer from you.
Name one or two credible sources .
Or just one that you deem credible.
I won't laugh you out of town.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 2:16am On Feb 22, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
@basilico

I didn't fail to notice that you carefully avoided these questions. But perhaps I should give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you truly and honestly missed them. In any case, here they are again:
You ask for proof as if I'm an investigator.
I know Mitchell Obama is a woman despite me not having seen her genitals.
A supreme court female judge can't define a woman because she is not a biologist.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico:
DaHighLife:
You ought to consider researching the topics you select to post about before doing so. It appears that you have a substantial amount of time at your disposal to dedicate to such. The majority of the posts I have encountered from you are either factually inaccurate or lack coherence, such as this one. In my humble opinion, your posts sound nonsensical and bear resemblance to something one might expect from a paid shill.
Any one thing factually incorrect? It appears you blindly believe every anti Trump action.
Well I don't. I can carefully see the BS by Biden, DOJ and fellow leftists to know
it's a well coordinated farce.
There are countless examples of massive deception esp since Trump won 2016. Gaslighting is the order of the day, what you see didn't happen. Like CNN reporter saying it's a mostly peaceful protest whike a building burns in the background. Like Jan 6 was worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11. The Russians helped Trump win. Asking Zelensky to investigate Burisma is election interference worthy of impeachment. The border is most secure. A border wall will interfere with butterflies migration .No evidence of Biden corruption. Trump removed a bust of Churchill from the oval office. Ivermectin is a horse paste.Men can get pregnant and they can produce breast milk.COVID is zoonotic. You will not contract COVID if you are vaccinated ISIS is a JV team that wrenched territory the size of England.
I use this place to preserve links I find interesting lest you forget. I'm not zombified.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 11:24am On Feb 21, 2024
DEI. State Department guidance on words to use.
Budaatum loves such directives.
Another he loves is Breast milk from men is as good as from the mother.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico:
Obrigardo:
Let me cut through that your bullshit question because i don't like repeating myself to a stubborn maga cultist who should know better.

But you asking about the covering up of Smirnov's allegations is rich. Why don't you explain what allegation was that because I remember Bill Barr was the one who started the inquiry into Hunter Biden because of the Info Smirnov provided, the info we now know came from russian intelligence and the info you've been spamming all of us with on this forum.
Bill Barr. Yes he had David Weiss investigate Hunter but Weiss will be remembered for absolving the Bidens.
Plea deal failure, now he indicts a whistleblower.
I believe that whistleblower. He said Hunter and Pedo Pete each received $ 5 million in a transaction that would take forever to unravel.
I just broke down how Hunter got his $5m.
Pedo Pete's $5m will also be exposed one day I believe. I think it had to do something with him buying a beach house in cash but the details will be out in full one day. Or proceeds from a book that noone bought.

Infact to pause this matter of the Whistleblower. He was told by the burisma exec that he had 17 recordings 15 with Hunter and 2 with Joe.
The FBI has not denied the existence of these recordings. Have they? Do they exist or not? Time will tell.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:17am On Feb 21, 2024
budaatum:
Kraken on 2000 mules.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf
Burisma paid Hunter $83333 monthly.
83333*12= 999,996. $1m annually.
Hunter left Burisma board in.2019.
Explains $5m from 2014 -2019 at $1m annually.
Rocket science? Or just plain genius?

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:50am On Feb 21, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
I'm sorry, I can't hear your miserable waffle over the sound of cold reality. The judge ordered Trump to pay nearly $355 million in damages, plus interest, for his fraudulent business practices. The victims of Trump's fraud include the banks that lent him money based on his inflated net worth statements, such as Deutsche Bank, which lost millions of dollars in interest and fees when Trump defaulted on his loans. The insurers that relied on his deflated valuations of his assets to set his premiums, such as Aon, which paid more than $20 million to settle a related investigation by the New York Department of Financial Services. And the taxpayers who were deprived of revenue when Trump claimed tax deductions and credits based on his manipulated financial information.

As for the disclaimer that Trump claims to have in every application, it does NOT absolve him of responsibility or liability for his intentional misrepresentations. The disclaimer, states that the statements are not audited, that they may contain estimates and assumptions, and that others might reach different conclusions about Trump's financial position if they had more information. However, the disclaimer does not give Trump or the Trump Organization license to submit fraudulent and misleading asset valuations to their accountants, lenders, insurers, and tax authorities, as the New York Attorney General's Office argued in its complaint. Moreover, the disclaimer does not negate the fact that Trump signed the statements under penalty of perjury, and that he personally guaranteed some of the loans that he obtained using the statements!



Perhaps you're confusing my honesty with your own selective memory.



Let me remind you that Trump himself lied about Mar-a-Lago when he bought it in 1985. He claimed that it was worth $200 million, when it was actually worth only $25 million. He also lied about his plans to use it as a private residence, when he actually turned it into a club that charged $200,000 in initiation fees.



Soros is a well-known philanthropist and supporter of progressive causes, who has donated to many Democratic candidates and organizations. You have no proof that there is anything illegal or unethical about his contributions to James' campaign, apart from assumptions and speculations. That's the only way you know how to argue. You build up your points based on suggestions and implications as opposed to actual facts that have been confirmed. Moreover, James is not the only one who has pursued legal action against Trump. The Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., has also indicted Trump and his company on criminal tax fraud charges. Are you going to claim that Vance is also Soros funded? Or are you going to admit that Trump is facing serious legal troubles because of his own wrongdoing, not because of some conspiracy?



Is modesty getting the best of you today, basilico? Don't be shy, share your hidden gems of insight! 🤡
Now here is a piece that looks at the case from different perceptive.

https://townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2024/02/21/judge-engorons-retribution-n2635501

Salient points.
Judge structured the case for him to be sole arbiter and retributor.
Judge acknowledge all loans were repaid accordingly.
Judge said they were not remorseful at all hence the hefty fines.


By all means , this case is avery unusual and rarely if ever prosecuted. It is an application of a law to find a way to punish Trump, other business owners in NY 'should not be worried.'
The striking thing was that Engoron suggested that the overvaluations -- the heart of the case -- weren't really a serious offense; it was Trump's refusal to confess error that led Engoron to impose such a draconian penalty
...........
This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways. Instead, they adopt a 'See no evil, hear.


The article goes on to list what Soros DA said during her campaign.
If you cease being a democrat mouthpiece the article should be an eye opener.Let there be light.

When it comes to Soros and his globalist ambitions , Trump is his greatest enemy. A minion to take him out permanently is a worthy investment to him.A black one especially who bragged About women like her and jean Carroll get stuff done.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico:
Obrigardo:
I wonder how these two dumb maga cultists basilico loco and fake pastor olaadegbu are feeling right now!
This guy Smirnov reported his allegations to FBI in 2020. They buried it. It's taken threat of impeachment to disprove his statement and indict him 4 years later.
Did FBI ever confirm Anthony Weiner laptop had 600K emails from Hillary to Clinton, many of which would have been classified and were accessible to Weiner who has no security clearance? Someone claimed that the laptop had photos of child sacrifice, but the FBI will never confirm or deny it.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:48am On Feb 21, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
I'm sorry, I can't hear your miserable waffle over the sound of cold reality. The judge ordered Trump to pay nearly $355 million in damages, plus interest, for his fraudulent business practices. The victims of Trump's fraud include the banks that lent him money based on his inflated net worth statements, such as Deutsche Bank, which lost millions of dollars in interest and fees when Trump defaulted on his loans. The insurers that relied on his deflated valuations of his assets to set his premiums, such as Aon, which paid more than $20 million to settle a related investigation by the New York Department of Financial Services. And the taxpayers who were deprived of revenue when Trump claimed tax deductions and credits based on his manipulated financial information.

As for the disclaimer that Trump claims to have in every application, it does NOT absolve him of responsibility or liability for his intentional misrepresentations. The disclaimer, states that the statements are not audited, that they may contain estimates and assumptions, and that others might reach different conclusions about Trump's financial position if they had more information. However, the disclaimer does not give Trump or the Trump Organization license to submit fraudulent and misleading asset valuations to their accountants, lenders, insurers, and tax authorities, as the New York Attorney General's Office argued in its complaint. Moreover, the disclaimer does not negate the fact that Trump signed the statements under penalty of perjury, and that he personally guaranteed some of the loans that he obtained using the statements!



Perhaps you're confusing my honesty with your own selective memory.



Let me remind you that Trump himself lied about Mar-a-Lago when he bought it in 1985. He claimed that it was worth $200 million, when it was actually worth only $25 million. He also lied about his plans to use it as a private residence, when he actually turned it into a club that charged $200,000 in initiation fees.



Soros is a well-known philanthropist and supporter of progressive causes, who has donated to many Democratic candidates and organizations. You have no proof that there is anything illegal or unethical about his contributions to James' campaign, apart from assumptions and speculations. That's the only way you know how to argue. You build up your points based on suggestions and implications as opposed to actual facts that have been confirmed. Moreover, James is not the only one who has pursued legal action against Trump. The Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., has also indicted Trump and his company on criminal tax fraud charges. Are you going to claim that Vance is also Soros funded? Or are you going to admit that Trump is facing serious legal troubles because of his own wrongdoing, not because of some conspiracy?



Is modesty getting the best of you today, basilico? Don't be shy, share your hidden gems of insight! 🤡
A Deutsche Bank employee testified that it's normal to see overvalued properties in loan request forms. He was involved in personally approving at least one loan to Trump. Which was paid back with interest , called him a high value client. An they wanted to do more business.
Show me the testimony of any witness who was defeauded by one *false filing* Not an auditor or data analyst going through the records. One witness in court who relied on Trump statements of account and lod money.
Soros if he is your type of cake, I have no further comments save for wondering where on earth you get your news from. If you said so in some quarters they would teach you to bungee without a rope
I have seen something about his foundation which he used to promote himself by doing a fundraising for veterans. As he put it the foundation had minimal expenses .Compare to the Clinton Global thing with administrative expenses figures. Which was allegedly used to finance Rodham's weddings.

I can surmise your brief here is to whitewash democrats, injecting plain lies doesn't seem odd to you.

Any state body collecting taxes has its own assessor. Every insurance and bank had it's own assessors.
The most intensive medical I underwent was paid for by a life insurance company. They underlying tests were to determine how long I'm likely to live based on my internal and external health status. I could have gone to my doctors, obtained a medical and presented it to them , but no, they have their own medical staff who direct you to their radiologists, labs and so on
I think you see my point. Insurances are in the business of making money and they are way more thorough .
Get a proper life policy today an see what it entails.

Somebody who did not do his job to evaluate Trump taxes should be in jail.
In all every current Trump case is a witch-hunt meant to block his oval office bid.
You can never convince me otherwise. Never.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 3:15pm On Feb 20, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
I hope you're aware that appealing to authority in this discussion is fallacious and irrelevant. Dershowitz's academic credentials do not make him immune to criticism or scrutiny.



Stop trying to distract from the main issue with yet more heaps of logical fallacies and misinformation. The point here is that Trump and his organization committed fraud by inflating and deflating the value of their assets depending on the situation. It's not a matter of different valuation methods, but of deliberate deception and manipulation. You are also ignoring the fact that Trump's fraud case is not only about loans, but also about tax benefits. He claimed millions of dollars in tax deductions based on inflated appraisals of his properties, which reduced his tax liability and deprived the public of revenue. This is a clear violation of the law and a harm to society. Then, coming to Letitia James, she is not a publicist. She is a duly elected official who has the authority and the duty to investigate and prosecute fraud and corruption. Beyond watery news sources and idle speculation, you don't have any proof that her case is based on political motives, as opposed to solid evidence.

I'm curious to know where you got the spurious information that Dershowitz has endorsed your absurd 3 to 1 factor, which has no basis in law or logic. He did state that Trump's fraud case is a serious one, and that he could face significant civil and criminal liability. He also said that the damages are not limited to the victims, but also to the public interest and the deterrence of future fraud.

Your argument here is weak, flawed and dishonest. You are only trying to defend the indefensible, and as usual, you are failing miserably.



You really don't get it, do you? Mar-a-Lago is not some fancy mansion that anyone with a fat wallet can buy. It's a private club that has more rules than a kindergarten classroom. It's completely nonsensical to compare it to other properties in the area that are actually useful and profitable. Do look up the meaning of False Equivocation. The value of Mar-a-Lago is based on how much money it makes, not on how famous or infamous its owner is. The county appraiser has done a good job of estimating its market value, which is way lower than what Trump thinks. Your shoe analogy is not only laughable, but pointless. Michael Jackson's sneakers are priceless treasures that his fans would kill for. They are not like a club that has a shrinking and unhappy membership, a track record of lawsuits, and a divisive owner. Brand value is not a magic trick that can turn a lemon into a gold mine. It is a factor that depends on many other factors, such as quality, reputation, demand, and customer satisfaction. Mar-a-Lago does not have a strong brand value, but a stained one.



Don't flatter yourself. You're not a challenge, you're a nuisance. And you're never wrong? That's a laugh. You're wrong about everything, especially who you think you are.



I don't know where I ever initiated this conversation with you. Apparently you have a tangent for every point on a circle. Kindly stay on topic. Thanks.
Tax liability to NYS. You have invented a lie. There was no victim no damages There was a disclaimer according to Trump in every application.
You can't stop yourself from lying
You are lying about Mar a Lago. Anyone would want to buy it. Investors may look at the location of a property and buy it despite being a burial ground for pigs.
Letitia James is Soros funded. I don have to add anything.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:36am On Feb 20, 2024
Trump has to deposit around $400m if the appeal court is to take up the case. Very difficult cash/asset to raise.
If the intention was to smear him,the fines would have been lower. The judge's intention is to bankrupt him.

Two views of the judgement.

have been an investor for almost 30 years but certainly not at President Trump's level.

ANYONE with more than 6 weeks of experience in Real Estate knows that this is such a massive load of horse excrement.
EVERY investor puts down what they believe the collateral is worth. They then give a check to the potential lender who hires a 3rd party appraiser. The potential Borrower can not even know who the appraiser is until the written appraisal report is first sent to the Bank's lending committee for an internal review. THEN the report is sent to the borrower with appraised value and the comparable properties.

That system is designed so that the potential borrower can have ZERO input into it until the report is prepared.

Mind telling us how any fraud was perpetrated since the lender controls EVERY step of the process??



SouthrnDomSense
I was a senior commercial banker with one of the “Big Four” banks for almost 20 years.
President Trump was convicted of fraud when no one was defrauded. He’s been ordered to pay over $360M in damages where no one was damaged.
A bank is required by law to rely on their own appraisal preformed by one of their chosen third party appraiser, which the borrower reimburses the bank for. The borrower has to provide audited financial statements by an accounting firm approved by the bank. The audited financials have the assets valued according to “Generally Accepted Accounting Rules”, which are very specific and based primarily on the properties original cost. Market value is whatever a willing buyer and seller agree upon. Appraised value is a subjective estimate of market value that can be determined by several different methodologies.
The decision by the Court is the true fraud.



Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:37am On Feb 20, 2024
DaHighLife:
You and Jessica Rabbit were discussing the Carrol Trial and Jury.
Because it was a civil trial, it had a Trial Jury, distinct from a grand jury. A Trial Jury does not indict; rather, the correct expression goes, 'A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich,' highlighting the lower standard of proof required for indictment (probable cause) in Grand Juries compared to Trial Juries, whether in civil or criminal cases.



Most of your assertions on this topic seem confused. Considering what I've read in the past few pages, it might be simpler to ask: What have you gotten right?"
Jury or no jury, what's most important is that all these are sham cases. Ridiculous outcomes. Cases that should never have gone to trial.
In Jean Carroll case the NY legislature bill or whatever allowed Caroll case to proceed despite expiry of the statute of limitations .New York Governor told businesses not to worry about Engoron case because they " are not Donald Trump"..
Fani Willis was blocked by a judge from indicting some Lt Gov after she headlined a fundraiser for his Democrat opponents. I thought she would lose the case, her law license should be at risk for perjury
Witch-hunts require some Intelligence too.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:25am On Feb 20, 2024
DaHighLife:
You are aware that there is the option to simply acknowledge that you were wrong!
What was I wrong about.A grand jury is for indicting purposes.
Members of the jury do have their biases .
I think it's possible using AI and data mining to select a jury likely to arrive at a desired verdict.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:33pm On Feb 19, 2024
DaHighLife:
The phrase goes, "A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich." It's essential to note the clear disparity between a Grand Jury and a Trial Jury, as well as between an Indictment and a Conviction; they are different. Basilico, based on his erratic and often inaccurate posts I've encountered here, appears to lack an understanding of these differences.
Contrary to his assertions, it is not an easy task for any prosecutor to secure a conviction for a ham sandwich.
I am no lawyer, but I have enough common sense to know that juries are made up of people. People have their inherent biases, I would want to believe that some members of a jury walk into duty already with a fixed mind.
Similar to Engoron sham trial to determine how much to charge, having found Trump guilty of violating the statutes before the trial.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico:
AmazonTopaz:
Biden go use Trump mop ground. cheesy grin
I could date you if you ever put down some two cents of your expertise vid legal matters
When is the next reality BBNaija show?

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Go sell slave labour to Yankees.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 10:31am On Feb 19, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
(1) Dershowitz is not a credible source of legal or political analysis, sorry. He's a notorious contrarian who likes to stir up controversy and defend the indefensible, like the impeachments of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, or the idea that 15-year-olds should be able to consent to sex. He's not a Democrat or a lawyer, he's a clown
Dershowitz is a Harvard legal scholar. You might have changed you opinion of Harvard when it was Harvard then .He is a democrat who sees through the lies.
He defends what is constitutional.
I won't mention he is tainted with Epstein shenanigans.


(3) Of course, you will conveniently ignore the evidence that supports the fraud allegations against Trump and his organization. The New York Attorney General's office has obtained millions of pages of documents, tax returns, and financial statements that show a pattern of lying about the value of assets to get loans and tax benefits. For example, Trump claimed that his Mar-a-Lago resort was worth between $426.5 million and $612.1 million, while the Palm Beach County appraiser valued it at between $18 million and $27.6 million. This is not a matter of opinion, but of facts. The jury will have to decide whether this amounts to fraud, not whether they love or hate Trump.
Precisely the point. The appraiser took brick and mortar values plus annual revenue. I compared his finding to 77k pairs of shoes. Letitia is a publicist, her campaign funded by George Soros was a get Trump one.The jury decides on the strength of evidence the judge allows to seep through it. The bank loaned money, in the filings presented there was a clear disclaimer - Do your own evaluation and due diligence. Which they did, lent the money and got repaid in full with interest. Bank testified it was happy with the deal, a Soros lawyer Cooked the books . There is no victim , no damages warranted but hey Trump lied in his filings to banks. By that measure every time someone wants a loan in NYS he/she/they/them should ask Letitia and Engoron whether their valuations are correct. She went for a colonoscopy to look for a crime as if there are not other serious matters in her docket. Dershowitz says damages are paid to victims, we can do a 3 to 1 factor. Who was the victim in the loans lent out and repaid And who screwed up to not get top dollar from the loans?


(4) I already know you're dishonest, but downplaying the harm that Trump's alleged fraud has caused to the public interest is just pathetic and disgraceful. Fraud is not a harmless prank. It robs the government of tax revenue that could be used for public services and programs, and also erodes the trust and confidence in the financial system and the rule of law. It is not fair or ethical that Trump and his organization should profit from dishonest and illegal practices, while others have to follow the rules and pay their fair share. The damages in this case are not zero, but huge and serious. smiley

(5) I find it hilarious that you'd compare Mar-a-Lago to a pair of shoes. The value of a property is not determined by how many shoes it can buy, but by how many people want to buy it, where it is, what it looks like, what it offers, and other factors. Mar-a-Lago is not a unique or priceless property, but one of many clubs and resorts in Palm Beach County. Its value is not based on Trump's ego, but on objective and verifiable criteria. The fact that you have to use such a silly analogy shows that you have no valid argument to defend Trump's inflated valuation.
So is Mar a Lago worth 19-27 m. If you have to value, you consider sales within the neighborhood also. Properties in that area go for much higher. I calculated his shoe price to show how ridiculous the appraiser was. I have mentioned brand value on other posts here. Michael Jackson 6 pairs of all his NBA titles winning sneakers fetched $8m in a Sotheby auction a few days ago. A third of Mar A Lago my foot. Brand value my friend.

By the way e don tire yourself wearing me down here . I'm resourceful.
And I'm never wrong.
And Joe Biden stole.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:46am On Feb 19, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
Challenge accepted! But first, pass the salt, because your confidence is seasoning my popcorn.
JessicaRabbit:
Challenge accepted! But first, pass the salt, because your confidence is seasoning my popcorn.
Find a shred of any lie I put down here. Was once active circa 2013-15 with this moniker on the Islam section if you want to interogate my history here and I have no shame about it.
I'm seasoned but you don't know.Diehard.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:21am On Feb 19, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
Same old, same old.

Misinformation, bias and hateful insults... that's pretty much all there is to your debating prowess.

I'll debunk this watery rant when I'm more lucid. At this present moment, I don't have much patience for wanton ignorance.
You can never debunk what I put down.
I always state whether it's my opinion.
I have never been proven wrong.
To prove me wrong, you have to provide proof to the contrary.
A lot here hate my unbroken principled stand that JB stole. They can't provide proof that he won whereas I have brought up proof of irregularities in his 81m win.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:10am On Feb 19, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
I appreciate your clarification about valuing assets, and I agree that a holistic approach is necessary. However, the New York Attorney General's case goes beyond brick and mortar. It alleges misrepresentation of property values to obtain loans and tax benefits. Whether the Trump brand has value isn't the question. It's whether that value was accurately represented.

Additionally, while some may see the Letitia James case as political, it's important to remember that violations of financial law are not partisan issues. The justice system should hold everyone accountable, regardless of their political affiliation.

As for the jury, they're instructed to base their verdict on evidence, not public opinion. The "ham sandwich" saying is a reminder of their power, not a justification for ignoring facts.
Granted. The jury delivers it's verdict strictly based on the judges direction. The judge sets the evidence they will review, can block jurors from reviewing exculpatory evidence, can block defence presenting evidence .

Here is a democrat's take on Letitia James.

Dershowitz called for New York State Attorney General Letitia James to be brought up before the bar.

“I didn’t make it up,” Dershowitz replied. “I wish I were creative and original, but I got it from obviously Letitia James campaign. She ought to be brought up before the bar. You should not have an elected prosecutor campaigning on the promise to get a particular defendant. Now if she didn’t get him. She would lose the election. This is a variation of Stalin and Beria back in the 1930s when the head of the KGB says to Stalin, show me the man, I’ll find you the crime. This is — show me the man, we know who it is. She told us who it was, Donald Trump, and we’ll find you the fraud even though there was no harm.”

“Generally in our legal system, particularly under the system of equity when you go get a jury trial, if it’s no harm, no foul, no harm, no fine, but when you have no damages at all, usually you can do a multiple,” he continued. “Say there’s a million dollars of damages, you can give $3 million fine. But when you have zero damages, no matter how many times you multiply it, zero plus and nth times whatever, is all still zero. So it it’s outrageous. Now, I don’t know whether it’s going to be reversed in the appellate division


Oh and you might want to acknowledge that Letitia valued Mar a Lago at the same price as 77000 pairs of $349 shoes that Trump is selling
Food for thought. Brand
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:58am On Feb 19, 2024
JessicaRabbit:
Time will tell who's right, but at least I'm speaking my mind. You, on the other hand, seem content to hide behind negativity.
The liar . Are you still lurking in the shadows afraid to prove me wrong.
I agree to disagree with Bemeruca. The corrupt justice system might force him to pay her , to your delight I presume.
In other jurisdictions we can call it elections interference
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:54am On Feb 19, 2024
Joe Biden the brand. Corruption exemplified.
His brother James Biden convinced a struggling rural based healthcare that he would get them funding from Middle East using the Biden brand. He only needed a small loan from them. $600K. They lent it to him. In one transaction they wired $200k which he promptly on the same day sent his brother Joe Biden $200k
All the same the healthcare went bankrupt and James Biden never repaid them.
Life goes on. If you think I'm lying the name of the org is Americore
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 4:49pm On Feb 18, 2024
Obrigardo:
You be confirmed idiot Sha

Do you know President Biden goes to church EVERY WEEK! Like every week he is in Church.
But your Criminal overlord is selling knockoff sneakers and hosting ugly plastic ladies at maralago.

Please shut the fùck up
Does Joe Biden go for confessionals like other catholic faithful.
Ashley Biden diary . She felt having showers with her dad ( whom Hunter calls Pedo Pete) was inappropriate.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 12:28pm On Feb 18, 2024
Iqra ( In Arabic)

By Wayne Allyn Root

I’m going to “reverse gaslight” you. What does that mean?

Well “gaslighting” is when government bureaucrats, politicians, media, corporations and all the evil people in power lie to you; defraud you; smother you with propaganda; brainwash you; and try to convince you that what you see right in front of you…with your own two eyes…is not true. That the lies they tell you are more important than the raw truth you can see right in front of you.

In my last column about the obviously rigged 2022 Midterms, I listed many of ways and times you’ve been gaslighted in just the past few years. It’s a stunning list…

They lied to you about open borders…they lied about Hillary’s 30,000 deleted emails…they lied about spying on Trump…they lied about Russian Collusion…they lied about a perfectly fine Ukrainian phone call…they lied about massive Biden corruption in Ukraine and China… they lied about the Hunter Biden laptop…they lied about the origins of Covid…they lied about the need for lockdowns and masks…they lied about the need for Covid vaccines…they lied about the vaccines being “safe and effective”…they lied and covered up all the deaths and injuries from the vaccine…they lied about the success of miracle drugs Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin…and they lied about the stolen 2020 election…and just days ago, they lied again about the clearly rigged and stolen 2022 midterm election.

You’ve been the victims of nonstop severe gaslighting for a decade now. You’re all part of a human psychology experiment in the limits that government and media can go in propaganda and brainwashing…while you can see they’re lying right in front of your eyes.

And these are the exact same people now telling you how terrible Trump is…how awful of a human being he is…what a criminal he is…what a danger to you, your family, and America he is…how unpopular he is…and how he must be stopped at all costs.

Everyone in power and media is telling you this. Not just liberal media like CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times and Washington Post. But also, conservative media like Fox News, the Wall Street Journal and New York Post- all owned by the Rupert Murdoch family.

President Trump just declared he is officially running for President again in 2024. And all hell has broken loose. Everyone in power, everyone on the left and right, even the Murdoch family, have all gone postal.

Trump is like kryptonite to the DC Swamp, Deep State, globalists, RINOS, Democrats and the CEOs of the biggest corporations in the world. Trump is the one man standing in front of their plans to force vaccinate us to death; regulate us to death; tax us to death; digital ID us to control every aspect of our lives; move to a cashless society where every dollar you make is tracked; and worst of all, force us into a social credit score system that will make it impossible to travel, open a bank account, get a loan, or keep your job, if you disagree with the government’s lies, misinformation and propaganda.

Trump can stop us from becoming medical experiments. Yes, Trump the man who supports the experimental Covid vaccines (mistakenly), is the one person who can keep us safe from them. Because he believes in freedom. He will never allow vaccine mandates on anyone- not children, not government employees, not military, not private sector employees. You know how many hundreds of billions of dollars that will cost Big Pharma?

So even though Trump supports the vaccine, Big Pharma hates him and needs to stop him too.

And Trump is the one man who can stop China and the CCP. That’s why they hate him so much.

On Friday criminally obsessed and insane Attorney General Merrick Garland ordered a special counsel to investigate President Trump. The powers that be will stop at nothing to destroy this man.

Keep in mind Trump created the greatest economy and stock market in modern history. He made all these people at the top filthy rich. They doubled and tripled and quadrupled their wealth under Trump. They should love him. Yet they all hate him. Why?

Because he’s on our side. He’s on your side. And he can’t be bribed. So, he must be destroyed. They did it once by rigging and stealing an election where he got the most votes of any president in history; and the most votes of any Republican in history; and the most additional votes of any president in history.

Have you forgotten all this? I’m here to remind you. The American people love Trump. The evil people in power hate Trump. Now they’re gaslighting you. They want you to forget all that.

Trump is our only choice. Why? Because the people in power hate him so much. Because they are all united to stop him. Because they’re so desperate. Because they’re frothing at the mouth. Against Trump and only Trump. No one else seems to bother them, or scare them. That tells you all you need to know.

That’s the tip off. That’s why there is no other choice. “We the people” have to unite to elect Donald J. Trump as the 47th president of the United States.

You’ve been “reverse gaslighted.”

Wayne Allyn Root is known as “the Conservative Warrior.” Wayne’s new #1 bestselling book is out, “The Great Patriot Protest & Boycott Book.” Wayne is now the host of two new TV shows on Real America’s Voice and Mike Lindell TV. He is also host of the nationally-syndicated “Wayne Allyn Root: Raw & Unfiltered” on USA Radio Network, daily from 6 PM to 9 PM EST. Visit ROOTforAmerica.com for more information.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 12:06pm On Feb 18, 2024
Konkoja:
Go to church, you this clown 🤡.
Has Joe Biden gone to church ? He is a "staunch Catholic" . Wants to partake in the Holy Communion.
He supports in public a lot the Catholic do not. Gays, Lesbians marriages, And worst of all baby murder.
In the old days they would have burnt him on the stake.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:18am On Feb 18, 2024
Another Joe Biden lie this week that media will not report.He said in a presser that when the Special Counsel asked him when his own son died JB thought it was none of his business.

The truth. JB was asked about his entanglement with his biographer. As he was explaining those days he compared it to the day his son died. He got the date May 30 correct but got the year wrong. The Special Counsel noted that he could not remember the year his own son died. ( In other times JB consoling veterans said his son died in Iraq while in reality he died in Walter Reed military hospital).

Long and short, the special counsel never asked him what day/year his son died.
Joe Biden lied brazenly and media will not report that.

Another big lie from Joe Biden. He never knew about his son businesses. Later when evidence is presented, he changed tune to he was never involved in his son's businesses. When details of a whistleblower were revealed about JB getting $5m Weiss indicted the whistleblower. Did Weiss check JB bank records for a hidden $5m from Ukraine?Your guess is as good as mine.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:58am On Feb 18, 2024
feedthenation:
---yes Trump may not use GoFundMe---however the grifter is now selling golden sneakers---and as you mentioned he will also make billions when his TMTG is sold---

Trump hawks $399 branded shoes at ‘Sneaker Con,’ a day after a $355 million ruling against him

As he closes in on the Republican presidential nomination, former President Donald Trump made a highly unusual stop Saturday, hawking new Trump-branded sneakers at “Sneaker Con,” a gathering that bills itself as the “The Greatest Sneaker Show on Earth.”

Trump was met with loud boos as well as cheers at the Philadelphia Convention Center as he introduced what he called the first official Trump footwear.

The shoes, gold lame high tops with an American flag detail on the back, are being sold as “Never Surrender High-Tops” for $399 on a new website that also sells Trump-branded “Victory47” cologne and perfume for $99 a bottle. He’d be the 47th president if elected again.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-sneakers-sneaker-con-philadelphia-4de093eda6f8d1c68baf8fe8095f777b
They’re for the go-getters who don’t know the word quit. With a standout gold finish and the ‘T’ badge, these kicks are for true Patriots. Wrapped with an American flag on the collar, they shout out to the brave and the free. The Never Surrender sneakers are your rally cry in shoe form. Lace-up and step out ready to conquer. With only 1000 pairs ever to be released Grab Your Limited Edition Pair Now. The Never Surrender High Tops are estimated to ship in July 2024.

Only 1000 pairs to be released. They all sold out immediately.
According to Letitia and Engoron, the value of Mar a Lago is equivalent to 77000 pairs of these shoes.
Give me a break.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:40pm On Feb 17, 2024
Obrigardo:
The Lie's social that is under SEC investigation? Abeg talk another lie. Criminal trump is not a billionaire at all. No make them spoil your coconut head with lies oo.
Are you just sick. SEC has greenlighted the merger of DWAC and Trump .. Media.
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