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I have picked up Katsina and Ondo for very good reasons, they both represent the problem we are discussing; lopsided representation. And I didn't bring up federal character, you did.

biina:
. . .So I am not against Ondo deserving a spot, but if your argument is based on federal character, the spot should come from Oyo and not Katsina. If you have issues with the FCC Act, that is a different matter.

I have only delved into federal character because you brought it up. My arguments bear up equally from the morality perspective.

The fact is that federal character is really a dud that hardly applies in any other industry. It is simply a trick to defraud the deserving; I will give a simple example, Katsina has gold deposits in commercial quantity which is not governed by federal character and of course, there is no NNPC equivalent for gold. It would be rightly perceived as a fraud if 3 Ondo men are employed to oversee gold production in Katsina; the NNPC can't be different. So like I concluded earlier, there is no reason why Ondo, an educationally advantaged oil producing state has a miserable zero top NNPC management staff, whereas Katsina which is not only non oil producing, but very remote from any oil fields and educationally disadvantaged has 3.

okunoba:
@Neutralman, as a human being, your statement is sad, cold blooded and void of any human feelings. It`s all about u and your people. Let go of this never ending blame game, the Biafran war ended 40yrs ago and must of the innocent women and children killed in the Jos massacre were not even born then. There is a place and time 4 everything and this is definitely not the right time to bring on your Biafran war, blame game and bias comments. This is a time for compassion and solidarity with the family and friends of all the innocent people that are being killed all over Nigeria.   

Remember next time Igbo people are killed in large numbers, some of us will remind u of  this  statement u made , "what goes around comes around"

By the way what genocide was committed by middle belt people against against millions of Igbo people? Do u have any reliable link as prove of this so called genocide?

Neutralman's post was quite mature and balanced. You can not simply switch off the events of the civil war like magic. He has been able to picture the Jos massacre as coloured by his own Biafran experience in a very healthy way that did not take away from present happenings, hold every one of us back in 1966 or derail the topic. His input is much different from damaged souls like EzeUche who sound like blood thirsty psycopaths.

We can not wash the civil war away. I keep saying it, the Nigerian state needs to make some sort of ceremonial recompense; there should be a remembrance day and statues of heroes should be built for that sake.

Neutralman, I hail you. Same goes to the likes of OnlyTruth.

biina:
1. First, what you posted is in reference to career posts and not appointments and Jarus is yet to clarify why his numbers dont add up and Ogun is counted twice.

2. It states
"The indigened of a state of the Federation shall not constitute less than 2.5 per cent or more than 3 percent of the officers including junior staff at the Head office of any national institution, public enterprise or organization. In the case of branches or local offices not less than 75 per cent of these categories of staff shall be indigenes of the catchment area." 
I doubt Katsina has more than 3% of the entire NNPC staff (including Junior staff) at the HQ.

3. The requirement for 75% from catchment area applies to total number of staff at branch offices and unless you have relevant stats, you cannot assume that Ondo not having a level 1-3 management staff means the prescribed total staff ratio is violated.

4. - Where the indigenes of a State or the Federal Capital Territory are not able to take up all the vacancies meant for them, the indigenes of any other States(s) or the Federal Capital Territory within the same zone shall be given preference in filling such vacancies. Provided that where the zone to which the preference is given fails to take up such vacancy the indigenes from any other zone shall be considered for the appointment.
It is Oyo that absorbed the Ondo offices and not Katsina. Katsina is guilty of taking up the seats of other northern states.

One should not misrepresent things just to make a point.

Your argument doesn't cut it. You should be looking at the whole post I made, not selections which can be taken out of context. I highlighted this "d. Appointments into the leadership of al Ministries, Departments, full time Commissions, public corporations and tertiary institutions the Armed forced, police and other security agencies shall be done such that each state or zone shall be represented equitably in accordance with the appropriate formula."

With the above in mind (which by its definition, clearly overrides all the considerations in your argument) and the fact that Ondo is an educationally advantaged oil producing state, what is the rationale for Katsina to have 3 top managers and Ondo state, a miserable zero?
Is there any reason why this should be?

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=410080.msg5652242#msg5652242 date=1268076127]why is he bringing back gusau when he has once served as NSA.[/quote]Maybe, because he is not a PDP guy and can be controlled through Arewa Consultative Forum which has strived hard to look progressive in recent times (recall they mentioned him as VP material).
He certainly isn't with the Yakasai bunch that is causing all the problems in Nigeria today.

At last!
1 down, more to go!

@ElRazur

Good question. How come such a talentless washed out musician is so rich? The dudes been feeding off misery tales!
I realised he was a fraud very early on, milking Tony Blairs govt for all it was worth with tearful tales of the crocodilian kind. Can you imagine he made a video of Africa as part of his grand project. . . But never said even "hello" to a single soul? It was all about lions, sunsets and the usual racist interjections of "deepest, darkest Africa".

. . .Then at his so called live aid African concert, he didn't even invite a single African artist and many were very upset. Damn!

honeric01:
can you show me how many people that responded to this "joke" because they saw the funny side?

I did.
Loosen up dude, seriously. AjanleKoko no be de cabal wen deh wound us na!

biina:
Obviously you are no better than the 'northerners' you are so eager to  comprehend, as you obviously lack the requisite English comprehension skills  for making positive contributions on national issues. The article said 86% of the 14 new appointments and not the entire management. Statistics of the entire NNPC staff was already posted a few pages back, and the northerners (NW, NE and NC) are only about 31% of the entire staff and about 50% at the top 3 levels.

The above is a clear violation of the principles of federal character. One simple example is, Ondo State. Being an oil producing state, is in a catchment area, yet has zero senior manager representation at NNPC. Catchment areas should produce 75% of staff at local  levels and no state should produce more than 3% at the Head office, so how come Ondo, a state not lacking in qualified graduates has zero representation, but Katsina which is not only far outside the catchment area, but is also educationally disadvantaged has 3 top NNPC managers (8.3%)? How?

Federal Character Principles

PART III – APPLICATION OF GENERAL PRINCIPLES
National Level

12. Career Posts:

a. The indigened of a state of the Federation shall not constitute less than 2.5 per cent or more than 3 percent of the officers including junior staff at the Head office of any national institution, public enterprise or organization. [size=14pt]In the case of branches or local offices not less than 75 per cent of these categories of staff shall be indigenes of the catchment area. [/size]

b. Where the number of vacancies are not sufficient to go round the 36 states of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory the vacancies shall be shared among the zones such that the indigenes of a particular zones such that the indigenes of a particular zone shall not constitute less than 15 percent or more than 18 per cent.

c. Within a zone, the indigenes of a particular states shall not constitute less than 12 per cent or more than 15 percent or more than 15 percent in the case of North Central and North West; not less than 15 per cent or more than 18 percent in the case of North East, South South and south west; and not less 18 per cent in the case of south east.

d. Appointments into the leadership of al Ministries, Departments, full time Commissions, public corporations and tertiary institutions the Armed forced, police and other security agencies shall be done such that each state or zone shall be represented equitably in accordance with the appropriate formula.

13 The leadership of Federal Ministries shall comprise the permanent Secretary, Directors, Deputy Directors and Assistant Directors, and equivalent positions in other relevant agencies, and shall be such that they do not come from the same zone. At the level of Director down to Assistant Director, there shall be an equitable and proportional representation of both the zones and the states of the Federation within each zone. In the case of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Federal Character principles shall also apply to the postings of the heads of diplomatic missions.

14 As far as practicable the appointment to the various categories of political offices shall be done on the basis of equitable representation of the states of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory or zones as appropriate using the relevant formula while the distribution of offices to the states and the Federal Capital Territory within a zone  shall comply with the formula applicable to the zone. The political offices concerned include:

a. Ministers of cabinet rank;
b. Ministers of state;
c. Special advisers to the Head of State, Commander – in – chief of the Armed Forces or Government;
d. Non – Career heads of Nigeria diplomatic missions;
e. Chairmen and members of statutory Federal agencies.

http://www.fccnigeria.org/GuidingPrinciples.htm

dayokanu:
Not in Oyo State. It can never happen

I am from oyo state and almost Every family have xtians and Moslems so you expect me to take arms against my cousins? It cant happen na just threat.

. . .Until you hear gboa!
Govt and every jack better take this incredibly serious, that bull must never come down south. The id!ot that made the threat should be tried and jailed for a very long time, because it is a criminal offence. Don't forget that Al Qaeda expressed interest in Nigeria in January, better to do something before common sense comes under seige as in Jos.
If you don't like something go to court, not threaten lives and property. WTF!

prettyG:
Stop shifting the goal posts you bloody tribalist. It is people like you that eat our country out from within while pretending to be on the side of the people. If you get into government you will be no different from those at the top that are in cahoots together but use ethic agendas to deceive people so that they can continue stealing.

Do you find it that difficult to answer a simple question? I will simply ask the question again;

"As soon as you recognise that we are talking about states here, not tribe; you will realise that what you have there is an extraordinary ton of rubbish. The very sort of confused rubbish that the corrupt govt uses to blind us.

The problems we have pointed out are visible, even to the blind.

Since you are clever enough to see our arguments as tribalistic, please tell me why Katsina should have 3 top NNPC managers, while the following oil producing states have zero;
Bayelsa (0)
Cross River (0)
Ondo (0)

Does Katsina produce more graduates than either of those states?
While you are at it, please convince us why those pointing out the glaring truth are being tribalistic."

trueword:
How in the world can governors dictate to Johnathan what powers he has and doesn't have?

This is all so confusing Jonathan should have the upper hand He really needs to stop getting pushed around and intimidated. He needs to take some kind of bold action that would put some fear in the eyes of these governors so that they won't do and say as they see fit.

Governors are immune to any prosecution, so they can misbehave. They are like gods (albeit, corrupt ones) who control a bunch of reps that can be used as an impeachment weapon. The whole constituition is worthless.

Jonathan can get them by not releasing their monthly stipend, so their "victory" is pyrrhic.

Ok, you brave souls. Dance on the graves of dead children.

That is Abba Ruma. . . Done!!!

006:
@ Beaf, fv<k off!

I don't like seeing these images but that is what we Igbos are used to, when a truck load of dead bodies are transported from North to East.

The point is, I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN GOWON'S TOWN!

This is still very small to what that clown did to us.

Youre just plain ignorant and it shows.
Is it the Jos people that have been killing Southerners up North? Is it even Christians that have been doing the killing up North? It seems you just want to be seen saying something, even if only for the fun of it; but it honestly doesn't make you seem bright.

I shudder at the quality of some of todays youth.

amarilo:
Two wrongs makes no right but you supported the mend millitants to bring Nigerian economy to a halt by bombing flow stations and all that. What is the rational behind that? if not the wrongs the FG has been doing to ND environs. Hypocrisy at its best.

My friend, don't patronises me! Forget about whether I am pained by ND issues. That is not what this is about, there is no need to stretch issues.

. . . And, you still seem like a mean fellow who loves seeing dead babies.

sjeezy8:
its quite alright because new money and investments are coming into lagos as we speak.

What person would want to vacate in a region where militancy is like a day job? What Oil company wants to base their company in the ND where "borrowing" employees for ransom is a common practice? When I heard ND govs trying to make it mandatory for Oil companies to be based in the ND I busted out with laughter. lol really

Besides Oil, gas,water,trees and MOSQUITOES what is there in the ND? o yea babes i wont lie

You obviously have never been there. So you sound like the fox and his sour grapes.
We will be taking Apapa port, Tin can Island. . . Almost EVERYTHING!

We will only leave you with that clownish Fulani dude from Arochukwu called EzeUche.

amarilo:
If you check well in here people from ND, SW and North post pictures of starving Biafran Kids and laugh at it as if its something from a cartoon network. I don't mock or laugh at those kids cuz its not their fault. May their soul rest in Peace. All of you here are just posting for nothing sake, profer solution to the crisis in your country, Pacify those innocent kids killed some 42 yrs ago and see how Nigeria will look like in the next 5 to 10 yrs. Carrying placards wunt solve the problem which you and I know very well.

Call me any name you like it wunt stop me from saying the truth. A curse is on your country.

No sane person makes fun of Biafran kids.
Your logic is wretched. Do two wrongs make a right? If people are insane, is the proper thing to you to join them? What does that make you?
I didn't call you names because I felt like. Its the impression you are creating of yourself. With due respect, you sound quite mad.

The truth is you are the one abusing Biafran kids right now, because this has nothing to do with it. Nobody sees it that way, except damaged people.
Please leave Biafran kids out of this.

sjeezy8:
Lagos has done well before One Nigeria and will remain so after One Nigeria- If it should happen

All those claiming Lagos was built with Oil money are uninformed and plain ignorant. Oil was discovered in the 1960's abuja was built in the 80- early 90's leaving a 20 year window of no real infrastructure under military government (6 coups).

Westerners wont "inherit" anything as it has been around since the 1400-1500's and was always a booming city that attracted locals and foreigners.
So if theres anything that makes Lagos a great city is the locals and migrants who built it, not any Oil Money.

ABJ is a fake city with no history so it would fall . . . .

Don't worry, when ND peeps start taking spanners to 3rd mainland bridge, national theatre etc, your eyes go open.

[size=14pt]ICC 'must probe Nigeria religious violence in Jos'[/size] 

A Nigerian rights group has urged the International Criminal Court (ICC) to investigate violence between Muslims and Christians in the city of Jos.

The group, known as Serap, wrote to ICC chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo asking him to open an inquiry into the deaths of 326 people in the riots.

The activists also want the army and police investigated over claims they used excessive force to restore order.

Muslims and Christians fought with each other for several days in January.

The official death toll was given by police as 326 - although other estimates are much higher, with Muslim officials saying that 364 Muslims were killed.

Christian leaders have not yet confirmed a death toll - although earlier estimates said around 65 Christians had died.

More than 300 people have been arrested.

'Too weak'

Lawyer Femi Falana wrote the letter to Mr Moreno-Ocampo, arguing that the ICC should step in because the government was unlikely to take action.

"Those who are suspected to be responsible for the latest violence and previous outbreaks of deadly violence in Jos have not been arrested let alone brought to justice," Mr Falana's letter stated.

"The government has shown itself to be too weak to act, contrary to its international legal obligations, including under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court."

Hundreds of people were killed in similar outbreaks of violence in Jos in both 2008 and 2001.

Meanwhile, the violence has soured relations between Plateau state, where Jos is located, and neighbouring Bauchi state.

Some MPs in the Bauchi legislature want all people from Plateau state to be sent back home.

Bauchi is mainly Muslim, while Plateau has a Christian majority.

The Bauchi MPs argue that the violence shows Plateau indigenes do not respect a Nigerian's constitutional right to live and work in anywhere in the country - therefore they should not enjoy such rights in other states.

The Plateau state government has called the move "childish" and "unfortunate".

Violence erupted in Jos on 17 January and rapidly spread to nearby villages.

Several thousand people remain displaced, having abandoned their homes to escape the violence.

Jos, the capital of Plateau state, lies between Nigeria's mainly Muslim north and predominantly Christian south and has seen sectarian riots in the recent past.

But analysts say the real cause of the violence is a struggle for political superiority in the city.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8491012.stm

amarilo:
I don't hate them, if you can read my post again you will noticed that i wished RIP. But are they the first to die in such inhuman circumstance? NO. Will they be the last? i don't know but i think not.

All your posts point to hatred of those dead kids. You sound like a psycopath, like you are really enjoying the blood and gore, someone who has no humanity and is irredeemably damaged.
Forgive me, but your words all evening give the impression of a terrible monster.

amarilo:
Do you need more derogetary words to call me? i can supply you with more if you care. To you those that killed 3 million igbos are not blood thirsty but water thirsty, hehehehehe truth will only set you people free in this Nigeria. For the fact that those killers are your elder states men Nigeria can never see peace or progress. Mark it somewhere. Its happening in Jos right now who knows where is next.

Bleep you! Dog!

amarilo:
Look at those children and trying looking at children of Biafra in the late 60s. Who fought and killed the Biafran children/wpmen? THE MIDDLE BELTERS. Kamar they say is a B.TCH. Evil that men do live after them. The pendulum will soon swing to another region. We are watching with keen interest.
May the souls of this innocent children but with wicked fathers/forefathers rest in peace.
Sorry no arrest will be made. Gowan that ordered the killing and starvertion of innocent Biafran kids is your elder state man today so why arresting somebody. His home town will soon be the battle ground.

Do you really hate those dead children?
You make my skin crawl. What a demon!

These basar'ds just grandly exagerate stuff about Africa, then raise millions on the pityful tales, spend a couple of thousand out of what was raised . . .and split up the remaining millions.
Na so we see am.

[size=14pt]Bob Geldof demands proof of BBC Ethiopia aid report  [/size]

Bob Geldof: "If there is any money missing I will sue the Ethiopian government"
Bob Geldof has challenged the BBC to substantiate its report that millions raised for famine relief in Ethiopia were diverted to pay for weapons.

The anti-poverty campaigner said there was "not a shred of evidence" Band Aid or Live Aid money was siphoned off.

The report included claims that substantial sums of aid that went into rebel-held areas of Tigray province in 1985 were used to buy arms.

The BBC World Service has said it is standing by its report.

Mr Geldof told BBC One's Andrew Marr show he would personally sue the Ethiopian government and spend the money on aid if any evidence was produced.

'Credible voices'

He said: "Produce me one shred of evidence and I promise you I will professionally investigate it, I will professionally report it, and if there is any money missing I will sue the Ethiopian government for that money back and I will spend it on aid.

"There is not a single shred of evidence that Band Aid or Live Aid money was diverted in any sense, it could not have been."


The news and current affairs editor at the World Service, Andrew Whitehead, said the BBC stood by its report.

Taking part in a discussion with Mr Geldof, Mr Whitehead said the BBC had "quite a lot of evidence" to support the report.

The World Service report featured interviews with two former members of a rebel group who made the allegations dating from the mid-80s.

They told the BBC they posed as merchants in meetings with charity workers to get aid money which they used to fund attempts to overthrow the government.



Gebremedhin Araya (L) says he posed as a merchant to get aid
One rebel leader estimated that $95m (£63m) from Western governments and charities, including Band Aid, was diverted.

The CIA also alleged aid money was being misused, Mr Whitehead pointed out in a radio discussion.

He accepted the 1985 report from the crime agency was written before Band Aid had gone into Ethiopia, but said it established "a pattern" that international aid was being used for military purposes.

The report concluded: "Some funds that insurgent organisations are raising for relief operations, as a result of increased world publicity, are almost certainly being diverted for military purposes."

Mr Geldof, who was speaking to the BBC from Nairobi, also said one of the sources quoted in the report was a "dissident political exile" who was "not credible".

  There is a clear public interest in determining whether some money given as famine relief ended up buying guns and bullets

Andrew Whitehead, BBC World Service
BBC response to criticism 
Martin Plaut, the World Service's Africa editor who broke the story, said a lot of his nine-month investigation was spent trying to corroborate or dismiss events.

He said: "We came across a lot of other evidence which made it clear that yes, indeed, some of the money had gone astray."

He added that the "balanced, measured" programme had gone through the entire BBC editorial process and had not simply been "thrown on air".

Mr Geldof and the Band Aid Trust are taking their complaint to the broadcasting regulator Ofcom.

They and a number of other agencies, including Oxfam, the Red Cross, Christian Aid and Save The Children, are also writing to chairman of the BBC Trust, Sir Michael Lyons.

John Kennedy, a co-founder of the Band Aid Trust, said: "The trust is writing to the BBC and Ofcom to complain about the broadcast."

A Christian Aid spokeswoman confirmed it was planning to support the complaint.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8554048.stm

Sky Blue:
Have you asked her (aisha) what the protest is about and she said it is just for protesting sake? If you feel there are more important things to protest about (bearing in mind you don't know what this is about), what is stopping you from starting such protests? Naiaraland can be funny at times.

marvix loves Yar'Adua; no crime in that, its just that he worships Yar'Adua same as he worships God. Checkout his signature;
"I believ in God, I believ in Nigeria, I believ in Yaradua and myself"

I am very happy to have known Patrick Obahiagbon personally. He is a wonderful person and the only genuine peoples representative among the politicians out there.
K***pat, keep up the good work!

Most people making negative posts here need to follow Nigerian politics more closely. Lets not forget that he was the very first PDP man to shout out about the political miasma surrounding the Yar'Adua palavar.
Patrick Obahiagbon is one politician that always speaks up for the common man, he deserves praise.

dayokanu:
America invented the internet because of their hidden agenda to steal Akpu and bitter leaf soup from Owerri

Damn!

AjanleKoko: Canada is sending troopers to help the army control the riots.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil.

Latin American countries are sending supplies.

The European community (except France) is sending food and medical
assistance.

The aid items have since been found for sale in markets in unaffected areas. Prayer sessions and fasting periods have been set aside for the affected.

. . .Rather than getting help from the emergency services, armed robbers, kidnappers and ritualists are marauding the helpless population. To make matters worse, the only candle factory in the area has been badly affected, so there are no lights at night (PHCN has not supplied electricity for the past 5 months).
The army has been mobilisied to help, but there is no petrol. . .