Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 10:51pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
modash: Well, i think we shud nut be 2 quick to dish out blame to anybody, afta all its neither fair nor is it objective to blame anybody without de facts The facts are that Fulani folk attacked a Berom village and killed hundreds of women and children. |
Politics › Re: The Myth Of One North? By A Middle Belter. Explosive! by Beaf: 10:38pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
akigbemaru: South-south for ibos? You must be silly for this phrase! After River Niger Brigde plunges, it's from other side you will be looking at Western region. Aye gba tapa ibo otu fe kole igunu, meaning "history records that ibos live under the influence of Edo, Ijaw and Itsekiriki. My friend, there is no Western region and it is ridiculous to say the Igbo's live under the influence of SS people; thats just rubbish. Lets stop this silliness of claiming that some ethnic groups are superior to others, it is really primitive. |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 10:13pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
cold: One thing really baffles me in all of this.Between the hours of 3 & 6 am when the wanton killings were being carried out,where were the berom men in the community,what were they doing that they cldn't protect their wives,sisters & children? Don't they know that to check these extremists requires eternal vigilance? This is one aspect of the indigenes of plateau i cannot come to terms with. I just saw it on the news that Dogo Nahawa is a purely tin mining settlement, so the men must have been at the mines IMHO. |
Politics › Re: Enough Is Enough Rally Part 2 by Beaf: 9:32pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
aisha2: Miss you Baby, where have u been? am holed up at the villa in france Finest babe, I'm here, repping severely.  How your side? You are making me so proud with your stance. 1 aisha2 = a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 man army  |
Politics › Re: Enough Is Enough Rally Part 2 by Beaf: 9:25pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
^ No mind am jare! |
Politics › Re: Jos - Jonathan's First Failure As Commander In Chief by Beaf: 9:22pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
^ . . .Gone lame, cos no answers  |
Politics › Re: Jos - Jonathan's First Failure As Commander In Chief by Beaf: 9:10pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
Gbawe: Please refrain from following me around Nairaland because of your vengefully immature nature . Stop dwelling pedantically on and deliberately misconstruing my choice of words in a pathetic attempt to discredit me. I am now scared of your persona because it seems you carry bad belle and hatred of others , when they write what you don't like, from thread to thread to the extent that you will deliberately attempt to misrepresent them . Clearly you take things to heart and too personally. you are someone to avoid at all cost.
When I stated that Jonathan "must be given what constitutionally belongs to him" everyone knows that I am saying that , for the sake of peace and the cessation of a dangerous power vacuum , the provisions of the constitution should be adhered to so that the hand over to Jonathan can be completed if Yar Adua is medically indisposed. We all know that folks like Aondoakaa hijacked the Presidency. We all wanted that to stop so that Presidential power is handed down to the correct heirarchical recipient according to our constitution. Many of us are not constitutional lawyers on Nairaland but we know that our constitution makes provisions for the situation we are in.
It is a shame that you want to destroy your own credibility on this forum with vengeful, emotional and immature writing. Stop being funny and waxing emotional and hot tempered. How can pointing out faulty arguments be the same as stalking (don't feel too important) and being "vengefully immature"? Can't one counter arguments these days without becoming the unwitting recipient of a flurry of punches? How can I be wrong to say Jonathan is not Acting President, because it is his right? My brother, that office belongs to Nigeria, not Jonathan, hence I questioned your understanding. I saw a strange argument and I have every right to point that out. Was I rude to you or condescending in any way? No I simply stated my observations, in fact there were things I left out, like not explaining why I said your argument beat itself up; I will do that now: You made this statement; Gbawe: Why ask Jonathan to act against the corrupt system that is responsible for the high office he holds that he would ordinarily not have gained in a serious democracy devoid of shamelessly self-serving kingmaking ? It directly contradicts this one; Gbawe: How many of you think Jonathan would be our VP today , rather than Donald Duke , if merit and ability are the main recruitment criteria for political office in Nigeria? Excuse me! If the PDP and INEC procedures that brought Jonathan to power are corrupt, how is Donald Duke's case any different? He is a member of the very same PDP and would have had to face (or be blessed by) the very same INEC procedures. So how can a "corrupt system" be "responsible for the high office" Jonathan holds, but for others, the system is okay? All I am saying is, lets not bring biases and coat them with arguments that "sound right". |
Politics › Re: Enough Is Enough Rally Part 2 by Beaf: 8:43pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
amarilo: lol am away already so no need running again. I stand by my earlier post Nigeria can never no peace or progress until equal number of victims die from every region that killed/starved Igbo children and their mothers. Those kids are still crying wherever they are now and you want to tell me that carring placard will wipe their tears off. Middle belt at the moment are taking the bullet, matchet, bow and arrow. Who knows where the blood shade will shift to next. So I was right that you are a coward?  Dude, you're not coming across as very smart. I changed my signature because of another clown like you. Read it (you might not understand it, but then you are your own worst enemy). As much as I respect the Biafran struggle, this thread is about fighting for an equitable, just and secure future for all. What is your perspective on life? Do you have any? Do you know how to move forward and make the best of what is presented to you? Is your focus so tied to the past that your future must be grey? My friend, we must all learn to look forward with experience as hindsight. |
Politics › Re: Yoruba In Kwara, Kogi Agitate For Oya State by Beaf: 8:30pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
--off topic--- Merge all sharia states. |
Politics › Re: Ag. President Goodluck Orders Emergency Security Meeting. by Beaf: 8:26pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
Who are the "we"?  Unu be CIA?  @topic All security chiefs should be sacked before the meeting is over. |
Politics › Re: Enough Is Enough Rally Part 2 by Beaf: 8:19pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
amarilo: Sorry but i can't come from the northern bloodsuckers. Is that how you talk to your sisters? Bloody coward, if war were to break out today, people like you would be at the front of those running away. My guy, let us do some thinking before we speak. |
Politics › Re: Jos - Jonathan's First Failure As Commander In Chief by Beaf: 8:09pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
Gbawe: Indeed. Even with my misgivings about Jonathan I showed up at the Save Nigeria protest in London because I believed that he must be given what constitutionally belongs to him i.e the power to become acting President if Yar Adua is unavailable. I felt that if Jonathan took charge , Nigeria's rudderless drifting , caused by a wicked group of men and women, would stop .
I have had to concede , like many Nigerians , that I thought wrong. Instead of seeing Jonathan as a 'poor , put-upon chap' who is being prevented from doing the right thing has it occured to many of his supporters on this forum that he might be just another business-as-usual politician who is totally concerned with self-preservation and maintenance of the Status quo to the extent that he will never seriously contemplate sticking his neck out to do the right thing? Why ask of Jonathan what he cannot deliver? Why ask Jonathan to act against the corrupt system that is responsible for the high office he holds that he would ordinarily not have gained in a serious democracy devoid of shamelessly self-serving kingmaking ? How many of you think Jonathan would be our VP today , rather than Donald Duke , if merit and ability are the main recruitment criteria for political office in Nigeria?
In effective democracies, political expectations must match a politician's history of political effectiveness. With Jonathans very mediocre political history , what is it that suggests he is now an effective Politician being prevented from performing the Messianic turn around of Nigeria? The bolded text is an incredible argument to make. It is truely mind boggling and makes me fear for your understanding of Nigeria. Jonathans name is not written into our constitution, so how could you have gone out to demonstrate so that "he must be given what constitutionally belongs to him"? It is an eye-poppingly fundamentally flawed statement. Nigeria does not belong to either Jonathan or any person or group of persons. The rest of your argument beats itself up and dwells heavily upon you as a person. . . Its all seriously wrong man! |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 7:36pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
AjanleKoko: There is one thing that I find amusing, given all these comments. Let's say the Middle Belters say they've had enough, and want to move down south. Can anyone tell me which tribe will whole-heartedly accept them? In all honesty, we are better off accepting all non-sharia comers from the North. In so many ways, the North - South divide is artificial anyway. Southerners have a lot more in common with the Middle Belt than the sharia North. |
Politics › Re: Jos - Jonathan's First Failure As Commander In Chief by Beaf: 7:19pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
@naijamini
There is no point carrying on the argument, because it is a long stretch. Yes Jonathan said a similar crisis would never occur again in Jos, but I am quite sure he meant, it would never again happen with impunity. In other words; the current investigation would be thorough, the true sources of the crisis would be unearthed. . . We still have to wait a few months before drawing conclusions. |
Politics › Re: Cattle Dealers On Strike Starting Monday by Beaf: 7:11pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
^ My bad. |
Politics › Re: If Nigeria Collapses: What Happens To Abuja? by Beaf: 7:07pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
We loosen everything and take back to the ND.  |
Politics › Re: Enough Is Enough Rally Part 2 by Beaf: 7:06pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
aisha2: Dont let your children come and fight your fight. My children will not come and fight this fight for me, may God forbid that it will be said of me that i was to cowardly to do the right thing in my time. That i wound up my Air Conditioned car and just complained and did absolutely nothing. God forbid Exactly!  It is everyones duty to fight for the future of the country. We must all do our very best and not be cowards where the future of our children (and their children) is concerned. |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 6:46pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
The recent military postings that saw Hausa / Fulani taking all strategic posts was really against the Middle Belt, not to forestall a Southern coup. |
Politics › Re: Cattle Dealers On Strike Starting Monday by Beaf: 6:26pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
Dis Guy: Hmm i think most of these taxes they are complaining about are illegal fess collected by policemen and other agberos in Lagos and different parts of the country Which kain new story be dat? Lagos was not mentioned anywhere, neither was any place in SW, it is only places in SE and SS. Witness; . . .But as soon as you come to Makurdi, you start facing extortion and it extends to Enugu, Anambra, Imo, Abia, Ebonyi, Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Edo, Akwa-Ibom and Cross River. |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 6:12pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
frosbel: I guess the useless so called army we have are aware of the threat of these babarians but turned a blind eye to this massacre.
Jonathan Goodluck is impotent as a leader, we need a man of iron in charge.
I detest Abacha but he was the kind of leader that would have ruthlessly crushed this uprising by now.
Its more than sad, Nigeria is gradually sliding into anarchy. Crushed the uprising?  That is simplistic reasoning. What about its source? |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 6:08pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
adconline: Let's not jump to conclusions yet. We don't know who the agressors are or what started this. It may not even be caused by religion but ethnic issues. You are being delusional if you thought that it was not about religion. Why cant Pleatue State be annexed if it 'hosts' killing festival every month? No point dodging issues. When you do that, they have a way of turning around to bite you. Identify the problem without fear or favour and deal with it sensitively and diplomaticaly. |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 5:58pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
[size=14pt]Over 500 killed in reprisal attack in Jos[/size] Cover Stories, Latest NewsMar 7, 2010 By Taye Obateru
Jos – Over 500 people mostly women and children were today [killed by] Fulani herdsmen on reprisal attacks. At least 45 children including toddlers were among those hacked to death, gunned down or roasted in their abodes which were torched by the marauders at about 2.30 am.
Most hit was Dogon Na Hauwa village where most of the killings were done and over 75 houses were razed but nearby Ratsat and Jeji villages were not spared.
A victim, Musa Gyang who spoke to journalists where he is receiving treatment at Plateau Specialist Hospital said they were woken up by gun shots in the middle of the night and before they knew what was happening they saw their houses torched and as they ran out they were attacked with gun shots or machete.
Journalists could not help but break down in tears as they saw piles of corpses mostly women and children some of them with heads severed. The Commissioner for Information Mr. Gregory Yenlong who briefed journalists later said about 500 corpses would be given a mass burial adding that security has been beefed up to contains the situation .
He described the attack on the Berom villages as a kind of ethnic cleansing saying some families were completely wiped out. He confirmed that the attackers were suspected to be Fulanis who came on foot from elsewhere to beat security but call for calm as government intensifies efforts to track down the attackers.
The Gbong Gwom Jos, Da Gyang Buba who visited the area also lamented the gruesome murder of innocent people describing it as man’s inhumanity to man.
He said he received information of planned attacks on villages and informed the security agencies appropriately wondering why the attacks still happened.
Addressing the survivors, he appealed for calm warning against any form of reprisals. “I am deeply sad. We can’t continue like this; we are not animals. We’ll go back and discuss with government even up to Abuja and make our case. Let’s Have patience. There is no alternative to patience and don’t let us take laws into our hands. Do not do anything that would aggravate the situation”, he told them. Ends. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/03/07/breaking-news-over-200-killed-in-reprisal-attack-in-jos/ |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Ahmadinejad Declares 9/11 Attack A “big Fabrication” by Beaf: 5:43pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
kosovo: i know you will all eat me, but i must subscribe to what Ahmadinejad said, because i stand for the TRUTH. The CIA did a great JOB that day in concealing . i have often told people that US government were responsible for the 9/11 Attacks. There are alot scholars who have proved that a tower can not jut fall from the top to ground level completely. it therefore implies that a BOMB was planted in the building, which can only make that possible. People forget that the structure in question was a still tower and there is no way a Boeing 747 can cause it's total collapse. How can 4 planes be hijacked the same day? pls CIA give me a break. most of us already know, it was a calculated effort to gain access to the middle east, which they successfully did and have totally failed in that regard if you ask me. it is a shame that alot of people still believe the Nonsense their intelligence agency told us. UTTER RUBBISH. Ahmadinejad just made my day. I rest my case. Your statement has zero basis. You need to calculate the strength of each pillar of the building; then aggregate the weight of each floor of the building above the floor the plane impacted; then calcualate the distance of the fall; then calculate if the accumulated weight crashing from floor to floor was powerful enough to smash the pillars and continue to lower floors in a domino effect. You can only make the sort of sweeping statements above after ruling out the possiblity of the above scenario (which you can't). |
Politics › Re: Efcc Places Ministers Under 24-hr Surveillance by Beaf: 5:22pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
MrCrackles: Learning what fast? Is the latest move Jonathan's inititiative or what? Yes it is. Don't forget he set up the Presidential Projects Monitoring Committee that is investigating contracts executed in the last two years. Some big scalps are gonna be taken. |
Politics › Re: Efcc Places Ministers Under 24-hr Surveillance by Beaf: 5:17pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
The best thing EFCC can do for Nigeria is lock them all up before trial. Afterall that is what happened to bank bosses, a precedent has been set. |
Politics › Re: The Myth Of One North? By A Middle Belter. Explosive! by Beaf: 5:13pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
^ Can you simply keep to topic, instead of typing in capitals and annoying people? |
Politics › Re: Jos - Jonathan's First Failure As Commander In Chief by Beaf: 5:03pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
I am wondering how the crisis in Jos is Jonathans fault? How? The people instigating it are the very same crowd of "leaders" screaming "Northern interest" while they suffocate their very own people and the rest of the country. This problem is neither the fault of the average Northerner nor is it Jonathans. |
Politics › Re: My Fears For Nigeria-By Buhari (The Somalia Experience) by Beaf: 4:59pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
frosbel: I for one think that the North will become like Somalia and not the South.
Remember there is a distinction between Somali-land where there is relative peace and Somalia which is war torn.
Northern Nigeria is already in some ways worse than Somalia, in Somalia you hear of dozens killed while in Nigeria you hear of hundreds and sometimes thousands killed. My brother, this is a problem that will swallow the whole country. It is not just a Northern one, although it is looking more and more likely that the next civil war will be ignited by Middle Belt - North frictions. I keep saying it, but 2011 looks a very dim prospect. |
Politics › Re: Cattle Dealers On Strike Starting Monday by Beaf: 4:33pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
I want to ask again; what the business of the National Secretary of Amalgamated Cattle Dealers Association is with "beans, rice, vegetables, onions, beans, chickens, maize, carrots, goats, yam and other food items"? Am I the only one noticing that there is something of an overreach by the "Cattle Dealers"? Why onions, rice, beans etc and not just cattle? Are the "Cattle Dealers" not carrying out a food war on the South under the guise of fighting against legitimate taxes? Shutalim said, ”If we are transporting cattle and other foodstuffs to the South, some states are blocking us and collecting money from us. If you buy something in Maiduguri and you are bringing it to the South, nobody disturbs you in Yobe, Bauchi, Plateau and Nassarawa. But as soon as you come to Makurdi, you start facing extortion and it extends to Enugu, Anambra, Imo, Abia, Ebonyi, Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Edo, Akwa-Ibom and Cross River. All you need do is check the starting point of their journey and it becomes clear, this is another unfortunate Hausa / Fulani plot to show their power in the current political power struggle. |
Politics › Re: Plateau Massacre : Police arrest 377 suspects, prosecute 162 by Beaf: 4:13pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
[size=14pt]Clashes kill more than 100 in central Nigeria[/size]
Villagers in Dogo Nahawa, just south of Jos, said Fulani pastoralists from the surrounding hills attacked at about 3 a.m. (9 p.m. EST), shooting into the air before slashing those who came out of their homes with machetes.
A Reuters witness who visited the village counted around 100 bodies piled in the open air. Pam Dantong, medical director of Plateau State Hospital in Jos, showed reporters 18 corpses that had been brought from the village, some of them charred.
Officials said other bodies had been taken to a second hospital in the state capital.
It was not immediately clear what triggered the violence.
"They came around 3 o'clock in the morning and they started shooting into the air," said Dogo Nahawa resident Peter Jang.
"The shooting was just meant to bring people from their houses and then when people came out they started cutting them with machetes," he said, women crying behind him.
Four days of sectarian clashes in January between mobs armed with guns, knives and machetes killed hundreds of people in Jos, the capital of Plateau state, which lies at the crossroads of Nigeria's Muslim north and predominantly Christian south.
The latest unrest in the volatile region comes at a difficult time for Nigeria, with Acting President Goodluck Jonathan trying to assert his authority while the country's ailing leader Umaru Yar'Adua remains too sick to govern.
"This is an act of inhumanity," said Da Buba Gyang, the traditional ruler of the Christian Berom ethnic group in Jos.
Jonathan deployed hundreds of troops and police to quell January's unrest, in which community leaders put the death toll at more than 400. Official police figures estimated the death toll from the clashes in and around Jos two months ago at 326.
The instability underscores the fragility of Africa's most populous nation as it approaches the campaign period for 2011 elections with uncertainty over who is in charge.
Yar'Adua returned from three months in a Saudi hospital, where he was being treated for a heart condition, a week and a half ago but has still not been seen in public. Presidency sources say he remains in a mobile intensive care unit.
Fears of a debilitating power struggle between Yar'Adua's inner circle, keen to maintain its grip on power, and Jonathan sprang up in the OPEC member state of 140 million people when the 58-year-old leader was brought back late at night.
Jonathan has moved quickly to reassert his authority, appointing three new advisory committees last week and chairing his first cabinet meeting since Yar'Adua's return.
Apart from the violence in Plateau state, there is also potential for fresh instability in the Niger Delta, the heartland of the country's mainstay oil and gas industry, after a militant splinter group last week claimed two attacks on oil facilities http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6260X420100307 |
Politics › Re: My Fears For Nigeria-By Buhari (The Somalia Experience) by Beaf: 4:04pm On Mar 07, 2010 |
kosovo: ^^^^^ i decipher the Nub which Buhari is talking about. But i still suggest he takes a break. Let him go to gym or sumtin, i am completely tired of hearing the Noise of these people, Most of us simply can't see that Nigeria is on a beeline to the deepest hell. So, the embers that power the headlong dash are fanned by our comments and attitudes that dismiss the town cryer. The "noise" Buhari is making is the warning before avoidable destruction. You might rightly conclude that Buhari is 100% part of the cause of our current woes, but let us first make sure he is not coming from a selfish angle before dismissing him offhand. He is right that we face implosion; as for me, I don't even believe the 2011 elections will be possible. |
Politics › Re: Cattle Dealers On Strike Starting Monday by Beaf: 2:19am On Mar 07, 2010 |
I am wondering what the business of the National Secretary of Amalgamated Cattle Dealers Association is with "beans, rice, vegetables, onions, beans, chickens, maize, carrots, goats, yam and other food items". PapaBrowne: In my honest opinion, this is a political move!
I say, good riddiance!! We southerners would enjoy our Fish and Chicken, they can carry their beef and stuff it down their throats. !! We can do without those onions and carrots. Or better still we can even import foodstuffs from Ghana sef!! Yes it is a political move. We too should stop Southern goods from flowing to the core North, starting with the supply of oil all products and containers from sea ports. |