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Nigeria is hard to develop because of fools like depilot who jump on any progressive thread and derail it with infantile suggestions. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5111170#msg5111170 date=1260809866]Beaf, please stop using wikipedia as a reference, it reduces the credibility of your position.[/quote] snowdrops:Why can't I quote a factual article on Wikipedia? I don't see how that detracts from the existence of the Kaduna mafia. |
^ There are progressives in the North, but historically the Balarabe Musa's have always lost out to the Ciroma's and Rilwan Lukman's; so I'm far from from paranoid. When I say "North", I do it with good reason. There has always been a Sokoto caliphate and (a now weakened) kaduna mafia that has controlled the affairs and voice of the North. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaduna_Mafia http://www.newswatchngr.com/editorial/allaccess/special/10319082507.htm |
A Nigerian weekly had in 2007 published an interview with one Malam Sani Maigemu where he claimed to have treated President Yar’Adua with for mental disorder with “concoction made from roots of plants, soap, and palm oil, and also applied chaining, flogging and beating on patients who proved either violent or stubborn in taking orders,” during the President’s youthful days.Shame on point blank news for being this uncivil . |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5110558#msg5110558 date=1260805581]I'm surprised that an enlightened person like you don't understand the power possessed by the masses. It is this mindset that your leaders who continue to despoil you, depend on, to perpetuate their activities. I submit to you that the millions of people whom you believe do not have the clout to move Nigeria in any direction, are the ones with the most power to indeed force the rapists out of office. They just need leaders and people like you to come home and mobilize them. A mass revolt in a tiny region could have the desired domino effect. When 500,000 people decend on the national assembly in protest, causing an international problem for your leaders, you'd then find out how much clout those people have.[/quote]You have quoted me out of context. The masses are not the ones who are interested in maintaining the status quo. Those who are interested in keeping things as they are, are the very people who have imprisoned the masses and they are the very people I mentioned. They are Nigeria's powerbrokers: * The military * Owners of oil blocks and bunkerers * Refined fuel importers * Leaders of various ethnic groups and regions [quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5110558#msg5110558 date=1260805581]Forward thinking Nigerians are urging that the "Federal Character" crap should be scrapped and you are here indirectly calling federal character in the Army. Your implied statement that the composition of the leadership in the Army is based on some Northern master plan is weak, to say the least. The composition of the leadership in the Armed Forces is based on the availability of professionals who are qualified for the posts. For the past 30 -40 years, the vast majority of applicants to the millitary school in Zaria, and all other millitary training schools have been Northerners. This fact is more responsible for the makeup of the Armed forces than any other thing. Using your logic, I could accuse the southerners of controling the financial institutions as part of some grand scheme. That would however ignore the fact that southerners have been sending their children to school to study those subjects at a higher rate than northerners. Ironically, it is now taking a northerner to clean up the rot left by the bank chiefs of the past. Should we now restructure the transportation industry for example, because they are dominated by southerners?[/quote]Let us see reality for what it is, there is strict quota system in education (several well qualified applicants have been denied places just to keep a balance); but, somehow the military school in Zaria escapes it? About Southerners controlling the financial institutions, I remember the times I had a couple of reasons to be at the Nigerian Security Printing and Minting company (then in Lagos); it was like a visit to Kano. Let’s be honest with ourselves, everyone can see these things. I will emphasise it, one of our most serious problems is the composition of the military and it is becoming a more urgent issue with each passing year. The gap in education is also the most likely reason the North would rather maintain a stranglehold on the composition of the army. The issue of education in the North is one I have always held should be raised as a national crisis, because of the immense segregation, quality of life, developmental and security issues it poses. The educational gap is naturally, a source of lack of self assurance in a non-militaristic setting. But, clinging to the military is rapidly becoming a disadvantage, especially in todays increasingly hi-tech World, the North might realise that too late and precipitate a crisis. I am of the opinion that for Nigeria to progress, the North must drop its guard. |
[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=363638.msg5107039#msg5107039 date=1260751232]Talking of Canada, the President of over 12,000 CAC church worldwide use to live in canada. The children went to school in canada. I went to school with one of them.[/quote]Right. Will the captital of Nigeria be moved to Canada? ![]() |
The Mexican mobster has now morphed into brooknam99. ![]() I predict another banning.
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[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=365693.msg5106256#msg5106256 date=1260741740]These kidnappers should be executed ![]() All of them! [/quote]Who will execute them? Thieves? |
MrCrackles:Damn! Unu go kill pesin o!www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6 |
MrCrackles:. . .Well, someone really really "touched" him. ![]() |
I do not support power rotation. The reason is simple, if we had a true federal system, there will be no need for such spurious arrangements, because the centre wouldn't be attractive to the criminals that have ruled us. A lot of power (and accountabilty) would reside at state level. The system is our problem, not whether or not we stick to gentlemens agreements made in the closet. These agreements are intrinsically faulty anyway, what if the PDP loses the next election? Also, is there a monolythic North and a monolythic South? No, there isn't. We would be far better off pressuring for a better government structure than rotation in a system that serves us no good. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5105240#msg5105240 date=1260732557]I will happily enumerate the "vested interests": [list] [li]The ruling elite from all parts of the country and the king makers also from all parts of the country[/li] [li]The millions of Igbo who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li] [li]The millions of Yorubas who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li] [li]The millions of Hausas who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li] [li]The millions of Nigerian minority tribes who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li] [li]Millions of Nigerians who have inter married and have no interest whatsoever in nation states that for obvious reasons[/li] [/list] There are many more groups that I have not listed, but you get the picture. Frankly, most Nigerians do not want the breakup of the country, if you don't believe me, conduct your own personal survey when you come to Nigeria for a visit. We are in agreement that the status quo is unacceptable. We'll have to agree to disagree on the remaining part of your postulation. One thing is certain, continuously blaming the north for your woes will not help you. Charity begins at home - why don't you people start by call your thieving governors to order and demanding responsible governance for a start. this should wind beaf up [/quote]Aside from the ruling elite and kingmakers, the rest of the groups mentioned severely lack the clout to move Nigeria in one direction or the other. Also, as I thought, others might have differences with your list. To me, these are the most important groups;[list] [li]The military[/li] [li]Owners of oil blocks and bunkerers[/li] [li]Refined fuel importers[/li] [li]Leaders of various ethnic groups and regions[/li] [/list] As to charity beginning at home, based on what platform? We are already sorting that, but that is like asking that we simply put a plaster on a snake bite and life goes on. Of much greater importance, is that the lopsided structure of our armed forces is done away with; its staffing is stacked heavily in favour of the North and the South very rightly see's it as a Northern tool of intimidation. That is core. Whoever controls, a lopsided army, controls the country and the FG. There is no point wasting going after mere sparks when a huge flame is burning; concentrating energy on local leaders when everything is dictated and controlled from the centre is little more than a waste of time (witness Ibori); the centre needs to be thoroughly restructed and in a domino effect, propriety will flow downwards from it to states and LG's. No upside down stuff. |
mikeansy:This should have been Fashola's very first move at the end of a brief settling in period. It could be far too late now. It is likely that there are now too many business links, therefore "tidyness" might be a huge issue (maybe Tinubu's "courage" stems from this). Tinubu is not the sort of person Fashola should be associated with. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5104743#msg5104743 date=1260725921]There are several reasons why I believe dissolution of Nigeria into nation states will not work. On the surface it might appear to you that adjusting the national boundaries so that each country's population would be confined to a large tribe or a number of compatible tribes would obviate the competition for power and resources. Unfortunately, despite the disadvantages of the existing situation, there are enough vested interests in it to railroad any attempts at the adoption of your suggestion. Your suggestion would also lead some groups that are not viable for nationhood, wanting to become nation states - you can imagine the implication of this issue. The stakes are high. They involve nothing less than the very survival of millions of Nigerians. What we need to do is to explore the satisfactory sharing of power and resources through appropriate constitutional changes. Other forms of constitutional arrangements such as devolution of power to regional governments could be instituted.[/quote]Those "vested interests" must be uprooted or we are all cowards. Now in the very same way you have asked Dede to name an ethnic group, I am asking you to boldly identify these "vested interests" for the sake of educating those who might either not know or might have conflicting opinions. [quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=365759.msg5104743#msg5104743 date=1260725921]de answer to ya question dey obvious - people no want take responsibility for their own inadequacies, so e dey easy to point fingers at north. i have news for una; northerners no go come southern states and hold their governors responsible for their own development. make una first go protest and blame una leaders locally before pointing fingers.[/quote]When Southerners blame Northerners for most of Nigerias woes, they have a very strong case. Run away from it if you like, but men of Northern origin have not only ruled Nigeria for 40 of 49 years, they have also had overwhelmingly "Northernised" cabinets (heading all strategic areas; defence, CBN, NNPC, foreign affairs, the army and airforce etc). The military which has been historically used as an instituition of coersion is unevenly staffed by Northerners. These things need to be corrected, unfortunately until then, Southerners will continue pointing fingers at the North; there is no way to stop the obvious. |
redsun:I wouldn't bet on it. Obama hasn't even visited his native Kenya; there is a powerful moral in that, he is not given to partiality. Any African country that wants to gain from Obama's presidency needs to be seen to be shaping up (just look at how Ghana is gaining international perception in leaps and bounds). The US has been almost pleading with us to put our house in order, Nigeria has decided to plough the wrong path and be deaf to all pleas and suggestions. If Obama does act, it will be with a very heavy squeeze (diplomatic or military), they have already hinted at the Niger Delta as a possible trigger for US action that would be against [/b]Nigerian interests. They ain't joking. In his own contribution on the same discussion, former US Ambassador Walter Carrington noted that the argument for Nigeria as an ally of the US has now been lessened in recent years., listing the Niger Delta as a possible terrain for such a development.http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/article01//indexn2_html?pdate=131209&ptitle=Nigeria All we do is keep squandering our good fortune and making it easy for foreign countries to come in and grab what should be 100% ours to dictate. Imagine in this day and age our president has been gone for 21 days and we don't even know what for, rather there is the Northern Union threatening war if the constituition is followed. |
SapeleGuy:Those are powerful words from an overcoming mind. Obama had the courage to reach out and fight, the fruits of his fight are self evident today. In Nigeria, everyone seems to be waiting for "someone" to do the fighting for them; some are praying feverishly for things that are underneath their noses, others are hoping the army will turn saints and do it for them; yet others are running around, totally muddled and getting nowhere. A coward dies many times. Even fellow West Africans from "small countries" are now openly laughing at us. We are better than this. |
Kobojunkie:China cannot yet project enough military might to sustain a battle half a World away. The only country other capable (with relatively stunted options) is Russia. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102490#msg5102490 date=1260677498]can u actually tell me the last time the u.s actually intervened militarilly in a country because of commercial reasons. .? and dont tell me afghanistan as for iraq, it was more geopolitics and israel. .than any oil if not they would have invaded and overthrown qaddaffi in the 1980s[/quote]But for some strange reason, the very first thing they did was race around the country "securing" oil fields (even before the ground war was over). What about all the Harliburton shenanigans in Iraq? There was never any story between Iraq and Isreal, the only excuses given by the US were Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (of course, both have oil), Saddam unilaterarily brought Isreal in by flying scuds at them. The history is is still very fresh, look it up. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102481#msg5102481 date=1260677242]a lot of u cats are watching too many movies. .shoot militants,intervene in a country as large as france and uk combined. . . break up of nigeria,us lands and protects interests,what interests are we talking about exactly. . .? oil contracts signed by public quoted companies? what u guys should be arguing instead that would make sense is that the U.S would prefarably install a puppet dictator if things spiral out of control how come they havent intervened in the democratic republic of congo? its the richest country in africa. . plus american companies are still mining and doing business there[/quote]US "break up Nigeria"?. . . You're the only one mentioning it (sort of inventing an argument). ![]() As for Congo, the West likes just as it is; free for all, no law. |
Uche2nna:The is a [b]huge [/b]cost margin when it comes to refining various grades of crude. Thats the crux. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102450#msg5102450 date=1260676386]u remind me of liberians who destroyed their country. . in the misguided hopes that the almighty americans would intervene they waited in vain. . while fighting a war that made no sense to anybody anywhere on earth only a foolish person would wish for an american intervention in any country they call home but again u insist u are making sense so what can i say[/quote]I think you are really daft man! Who is saying that the US will come and intervene to save us? Are you blind or you just don't read what others write? The argument from the start has always been that they will come only for the oil. Jesus! How tough can that be to understand? |
Uche2nna:You need to find out the meaning of "sweet crude". Nigeria's Bonny Light is about the best in the World (worth dying for). The oil from Venezuela is of very low quality, Saudi oil isn't much better. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102429#msg5102429 date=1260675984]when u wake up from this your fantasy or dream. .maybe u can contribute something meaningful to the discussion[/quote]Sorry. . . You actually think you've contributed some meaning? ![]() |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102413#msg5102413 date=1260675437]ok. . america can defeat any country in the world it takes on. . that is not what we are arguing here. . .at least not me i say nobody has the guts right now in america to order another military misadventure of dubious outcome u sit in nigeria or wherever u are and dream up fantasies meanwhile ppl in america are telling u the realities on the ground with regards the mood of the nation[/quote]My friend, it is possible to live under the sun and remain blind. Is it not the same US that is carrying a new troop surge in Afghanistan. Putting more equipment in the desert? Combat in the desert with sophisticated equipment is very costly. . . .And when did leaders start taking advice from the public on the need to go to war? |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102398#msg5102398 date=1260675150]do u know that america right now is engaged in a public debate on how to fund the additional afghan troops obama ordered whether to raise taxes and who to raise it on. . meanwhile budget deficits baloon,unemployment rises. .elections are next yr and no american president has the guts now to go on another military misadventure overseas but apart from what i just raised. .your premise is wrong. . . what will they be sending troops to do here? u cant wake up one morning and land your troops on foriegn soil venezuela seized US company oil assets. . what happened?. .even during bush most americans are tired and demand afghan troops come home even as i speak[/quote]Forget this long story. It will just be simple police action for them, you will even find our politicians becoming American and selling their mothers overnight. I can bet you that we don't even have enough petrol and diesel to sustain battle with Cameroun for two days, talkless of facing a couple aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102339#msg5102339 date=1260674100]u are delusional lady. . how old are u 12? u think america has the guts or the money to intervene in another country halfway around the world? then u must be smoking something from the way u write it seems u dont understand how international relations work most of u posting on here anyway. . . "rule over us". . .what a retarded statement to make[/quote]Thats the joke of the century. As heavily armed as Iraq was, how many days into Desert Storm did Bagdad succumb? Nigeria has some rickety planes and amoured cars from the 60's and zero electronics (command and control); it will take the US a couple of hours only. We won't even know when they start and finish. |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102358#msg5102358 date=1260674351]these are all ex- ambassadors. .and i believe they speak in their capacity as private citizens dont read into it more than it is. . .[/quote]Ex's are usually employed to convey hard truths with the backing of the gravity due the positions they once held. I take it with every seriousness. |
tanimz:My dear, I don't think she will be doing it under the guise of a contract. The ambassadors that have already ridiculed Nigeria are not nearly as high up as Hilary. If she does speak, it would either be a direct warning or a direct command. |
tanimz:I think the US has been looking for any excuse to "secure" their oil supply and of course our i.diot "leaders" would always have managed to bumble one into their dish. Three ambassadors have spoken at a weekend, there must definitely be something new in the press for Monday (or maybe just generally cranking up the story further). Maybe Hilary will have something to say in a week or so (by then, we should know that our affairs have become major league). |
[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=365671.msg5102175#msg5102175 date=1260670988]nothing will happen,if he dies or resigns. .jonathan takes over and conducts the 2011 election if he survives,then its PDP headache to determine who to field in 2011 i dont know why ppl are getting all worked up,as if the US is in any position to intervene in Nigeria obama should go face his many issues on the home front first[/quote]Abeg! US is not in a position to intervene in Nigeria? |
[size=14pt]North Plots Post- Yar’Adua Nigeria[/size] •Yar’Adua’s absence leaves courts without leadership By Yusuph Olaniyonu and Festus Akanbi with agency reports, 12.13.2009 Northern political and traditional establishments may have concluded that with his current illness, President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua may not be in a position to seek second term in 2011. The Northern leaders who have been holding several formal and informal meetings in Kaduna and Abuja to deliberate on the future of Nigeria and how to ensure that the North does not lose its position in the power calculation are however determined to ensure that whatever happens, a Northerner is the President of Nigeria in 2011. The need to strategise against 2011, a source close to some of the meetings held by the Northern leaders said, is borne out of their determination to ensure that the unwritten power rotational arrangement put together in 1998 to make power move from the North to South and vice versa is respected in the present circumstance. The calculation of the Northern leaders is based on the fact that they have accepted that should Yar’Adua be so ill as to be unable to complete this term, Vice-President Jonathan Goodluck should be allowed to take over in line with Constitutional provisions. However, the Northern leaders are set to suppport the Vice-President taking over if President Yar’Adua cannot complete his term only on the condition that he would only complete the remaining period of the present administration. The implication of this arrangement is that if Jonathan has to take over the presidency at any point before May 29, 2011, then he is automatically disqualified from standing for election in 2011. “They (the Northern leaders) are not prepared to conceed the second term. Thus, they will only support Jonathan taking over in case Yar’Adua is unable to complete his term on the condition that a Northerner will take over the presidency in 2011. Meanwhile, the absence of President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua from the country due to his illness for which he is receiving treatment in Saudi Arabia has started taking a heavy toll on government as key decisions which require his attention cannot be taken by Vice-President Goodluck Jonathan. One of the areas where the President’s absence is beginning to create crisis is the judiciary where the Court of Appeal now lacks leadership following the retirement of its president, Justice Umaru Abdullahi last month. Though the name of Justice Isa Ayo Salami has been forwarded to the Senate by President Yar’Adua in line with the provision of Section 238(1) of the constitution as a replacement for Abdullahi, the nominee cannot function in the capacity until the Senate ratifies the nomination and the oath of office is administered on him by the Chief Justice of Nigeria. In the absence of a substantive president of the court of appeal, Section 238(4) provides that “…until a person has been appointed to and has assumed the functions of that office, or until the person holding the office has resumed those functions, the president shall appoint the most senior justice of the Court of Appeal to perform those functions.” Since Abdullahi has now formally retired and Ayo Salami’s appointment has not been fully formalised for him to assume the functions of President of the Court of Appeal, President Yar’Adua needs to exercise his duty and powers under Section 238 (4) for anybody to act as head of the appellate court. With the absence of President Yar’Adua, the Appeal Court has no leadership and therefore key responsibilities of the presiding office of the court like assigning cases to judges, constituting panels to hear special appeals and handling administrative duties of the court cannot be legally carried out. It is also believed that the same situation that prevails in the court of appeal may soon extend to the Supreme Court where Justice Idris Legbo Kutigi, the Chief Judge of Nigeria (CJN) is due to retire on December 30. Though Justice Ignatius Katsina-Alu has been nominated as the next CJN, he cannot act in that capacity after December 30 when the position becomes vacant until his appointment has been ratified by the Senate and he takes the oath of office or President Yar’Adua nominates him as acting CJN as provided for by section 231 subsection 4 of the constitution. The vacuum in the office of the CJN will further worsen the situation in the court of appeal as a sub-stantive CJN is required to administer oath of office on the new president of the court of appeal. Only the holder of the office of president of the country can swear in the Chief Justice of Nigeria. Thus even if the senate confirms the appointment of Salami and Katsina, -Alu, the administration of oath of office on the leaders of the two topmost courts may be impossible in the absence of Yar Ádua. However, the judiciary is not the only sector of the country being negatively affected by the absence of President Yar’Adua. Oil firms whose applications for licence renewal are awaiting the presidential endorsement are in limbo. Industry sources said already, companies like Chevron Corporation and Royal Dutch Shell Plc are in dilemma as key oil licences which enable them to operate some oil blocs would expire at the end of this year without the hope of reneweal as a result of the continued stay of the president in Saudi Arabia. THISDAY gathered at the weekend that already, concerns are being raised that the President’s extended trip abroad for medical care in recent months would worsen the case for foreign oil companies that are locked in negotiations over expiring oil licenses and tracking industry legislation now before the National Assembly. According to a Wall Street Journal report at the weekend, president Yar’ Adua’s health situation has become an important question for investors, given the risks of doing business in the country. The report claimed that executives at Chevron, which has several multibillion dollar oil and gas installations in Nigeria, have been rebuffed in recent attempts to meet the president. "The administration definitely doesn't want people to see him," Wall Street Journal quoted a senior Chevron executive as saying. http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=161826 |
^ Thank you jare! @Tsiya Check this article https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-365671.0.html The pressure is already gaining full gallop. |
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[/quote]Aside from the ruling elite and kingmakers, the rest of the groups mentioned severely lack the clout to move Nigeria in one direction or the other. Also, as I thought, others might have differences with your list. To me, these are the most important groups;