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I think we should leave ethnicities aside and look beneath the covers of what really went wrong here. The biggest immigrant population in the UK is of Indian origin. They have clawed their way up in British society by acting as props for one another, acting as sources of lending for their kin because everywhere in the West, immigrants are discriminated against by banks. Today, the richest man in the UK, Lakshmi Mital is an Indian. Indians are represented in all aspects of British society, from property to high tech to government. Nigerian's too have made huge strides, but that is not the point. The very same cracks that are evident in Nigerian society are carried abroad. You are either Igbo, Isoko, Urhobo, Yoruba etc. It is disheartening that our divisions at home run so deep, even worse is that we aren't big enough to sort them out. So, rather than help a brother up the ladder in a foreign land, we rob him. Which way Nigeria? |
Kai! Et tu nues aweso? Tribal war to follow. . . |
SEFAGO:How can you say paddy lo is a tribalist? The guy can be very annoying and fights his ground (right or wrong) like a hive of hornets, but he's not tribalist. |
citizenY:I think there is either a crack somewhere or the man is creating one. Everybody knows Obj is a bulldozer. |
Dis Guy:Don't be sarcastic now. There are jobbers from every corner of the country. It is just that we have had Northern rulers ruling the country for 40 years out of 49 with nothing to show (ironically, especially in the North). There is a lot we can do to help development in the North (and elsewhere), I'm talking individual, collective and technological. . . But that is for another thread and another time. . . .Back to topic. |
There is also a group of Northern governors (or in-laws) and jobbers that are more interested in forming a Yar Adua dynasty (as if this is Togo), than they are in any benefit for the country. |
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Is this is the surest sign of the endgame for Yar Adua's presidency? Surely, OBJ as an ex-president can't be making moves in ignorance, can he? He must either know something we don't or be playing a huge gambit. |
[size=14pt]Obasanjo Positions Lamido for Vice President[/size] Iyobosa Uwugiaren 2 December 2009 Abuja — As President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua's health status continues to generate tension and anxiety in the country, former president Olusegun Obasanjo has started lobbying for the Governor of Jigawa State, Alhaji Sule Lamido, to be the next vice president. LEADERSHIP gathered that Obasanjo's move was informed by his conviction that Yar'Adua might not be able to continue with his official assignment as president of Nigeria because of failing health. Sources told our correspondent last night that Obasanjo had relocated to Abuja on Monday night to enable him coordinate his political activities effectively in favour of Lamido. However, LEADERSHIP gathered that some northern establishment figures are looking at the candidacy of former Minister of Finance, Malam Adamu Ciroma; former National Security Adviser, Gen. Aliyu Mohammed Gusau, and Ambassador Adamu Aliyu, a former Group Managing Director of Northern Nigeria Development Corporation, who is an ex-ambassador to Japan, who is widely regarded as a "man of integrity and an achiever". But the Nigeria Governors' Forum, our source also said, is saying that in the event the President could not continue, the vice president must come from among its members. Meanwhile, the National Democratic Party (NDP) has blamed Obasanjo over the anxiety and apprehension which the news of Yar'Adua's ill-health has generated in the country. "With the apprehension gaining momentum by the day, we are aware of several permutations to the effect that Chief Obasanjo is allegedly lobbying for a Vice-Presidential slot for one of his lackeys", Prince Ademola Ayoade, the national secretary of the party, said yesterday in a press statement. "We of the National Democratic Party are of the considered opinion that Chief Obasanjo should simply hide his head in shame for the selfishness and greed exhibited in the twilight of his administration, by putting the destiny of over 150 million Nigerians in the hands of a sickly President." While sharing the sentiments being expressed by some Nigerians that the President needs prayers, the party said Obasanjo should be blamed for this political logjam, and so deserves to be ignored in the unfolding scenario. "Even though we are not against the aspiration of anyone. It will be bad publicity to have Obasanjo marketing any candidate for a post that is yet to be vacant. Nigerians will forever live to regret Obasanjo's decision to this effect." The party said the current crisis would have been avoided had Obasanjo had the interest of the country at heart during the 2007 electoral process, adding that at the height of the build-up to the 2007 elections, Obasanjo and his co-travelers in the PDP stage-managed the entire process and foisted Yar'Adua on the nation, knowing full well that the man had serious health challenges. "After the death of his infamous third term agenda, he unveiled his greed and avarice and tried all he could to alter the apple cart, but God did not allow him. He went further to lobby a man who the whole wide world knew was not having the best in terms of healthy state of mind, and rigged him into office. "For the past two years, the nation has been undergoing series of mind fluctuations due to the ill-health of Mr. President, Alhaji Umaru Musa Yar'Adua. Even though we are aware that ill-health and death are in the realm of the Almighty Lord, there were some able bodied presidential aspirants who could have done better than what the nation is going through at this critical time of our political development." While praying God to forgive Obasanjo for this "deliberate wickedness and selfishness quite unbecoming of a man who wanted the country and the entire world to see him as an elder statesman, NDP joined the swelling voices who are calling on the President to resign his position and allow the Constitution to take precedence. "It is obvious that given the health condition of the President, he certainly cannot discharge his constitutional responsibilities any more, hence it is advised that he should simply tender his resignation and allows the nation to move forward. We wish him the very best as we pray for his soonest recovery". http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/200912030045.html |
Look here to see some truely modern weapons https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-348028.0.html We can't afford to be satisfied with second grade left overs. |
[quote author=padd_ylo link=topic=358286.msg5044207#msg5044207 date=1259873571]Nigeria buys F-7 fighters from CHINA 12 WERE ORDERED and the first batch was delivered in mid- 2009,this is what the fighters look like below. . [flash=425,344] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA896isG70g&hl=en_US&fs=1&[/flash] The F-7/J-7 is an upgraded version of the Soviet MiG-21 interceptor, with modernized avionics and weapons and a slight cranked-wing configuration.[/quote]The picture above is very wrong. This is the true F-7. It isn't modern.
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The cabals that have deeply entrenched themselves in the absence of leadership from Yar Adua are behind this rotten situation which is rapidly becoming an international disgrace. They want the status quo to continue, they want to hold unto "acting president". Reason? . . .Simple, an acting president has no legal power to sack anybody; that sounds just fine to the frontmen of of the oil bunkering, stealing axis, Andoakaa and Ibori, as well as their cabal backers. |
When an elected senator begins to justify our current situation with that of the ultra dictator and mass murderer, Lenin of the USSR, there can be no greater indication that the ship has run aground. Communist Lenin! When the US openly expresses worry, when Western news organs like the BBC begin publishing before and after photo's of our president, you know there are very serious problems. Our rotten constituition got us into this. Let us not forget that it originated from the IBB / Abacha era when we first had a military "president" and civilian governors. Therefore, it might really not be out of place for the Deputy President of the Senate, Ekweremadu to compare Nigeria with Lenins undemocratic and communist USSR. |
[size=14pt]Yar’Adua can stay in Saudi for one year – Senate[/size] Headlines Dec 4, 2009 By Emmanuel Aziken, Victor Ahiuma-Young & Ikechukwu Nnochiri Abuja—President Umaru Yar‘Adua could well spend one year or more abroad recovering his health as there is no constitutional limitation on his absence from the country, the Deputy President of the Senate, Senator Ike Ekweremadu, declared yesterday. Ekweremadu’s declaration came against the background of enquiries by United States officials on the health status of the President and its implication on the Nigerian nation. Senator Ekweremadu spoke with Senate correspondents after meetings between senior Senate officials and the United States Council of Foreign Relations in Washington D.C. The meeting was originally devoted to on-going moves to review the Nigerian 1999 Constitution, but dovetailed towards discussions on the health of Yar‘Adua. Ekweremadu told correspondents that the American officials were assured of complete harmony in Nigeria despite the medical evacuation of the Nigerian leader to a Saudi hospital. Meantime, the Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Chief Micheal Aondoakaa (SAN), and the leadership of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), converted a valedictory session in honour of the retired president of the Appeal Court, Justice Umar Abdullahi, into a verbal battle ground over a speech accredited to the NBA President, Mr. Oluwarotimi Akeredolu (SAN), which implored President Yar’Adua to resign from office in view of his failing health. Also, the former Vice-President, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, has called for caution in comments on the President’s health, saying Nigerians should be mindful of the integrity of the country and the sovereignty of God concerning the health of men while Edo State Governor, Mr. Adams Oshiomhole, Minister of State for Petroleum, Mr. Odein Ajumogobia and former Presidential aspirant, Owelle Rochas Okorocha, at a forum, alleged that the hawks in the Presidency whose major aim was to create political instability in the country, were the brains behind the call for President Yar’Adua to resign over his health condition There were also knocks for the way the Federal Executive Council, FEC, and the National Assembly reacted to the call for the President to quit. While the Action Congress (AC), described as unprincipled, self-serving and predictable the stand taken by FEC on the issue, former Presidential spokesman, Dr. Doyin Okupe, said the reaction of the Federal Government, as conveyed by the Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Alhaji Yayale Ahmed, and the National Assembly to the call by some eminent Nigerians for the Yar’Adua to resign as a result of his illness was unfortunate and uncalled for. Ekweremadu on President’s stay abroad Asked by correspondents on how long the President could stay abroad, Senator Ekweremadu said, yesterday: “The Constitution did not make provision for how long a President can stay out of the country and then he will would lose his job. There is no such provision in our constitution. So, if he spends one year abroad, of course, you have a Vice-President, who will be acting in his place. “The Constitution did not say if he spends one month or one day or one week, then you lose your job, there is no such provision. But I don’t think there is anything for any person to worry about and that is why it is good to always create a system.’’ “Now, nobody is bigger than a system. So, if we have a system that is running, even if the President is not there, hopefully I am sure that things will move normally. In most of the instances I mentioned, the President was away for nearly one year. ”In fact, in the case of Lenin in the USSR, the government took a decision that he would work only for 10 minutes in a day. And, when he insisted on working beyond that period, they called the attention of his wife to the decision and said that she has to do everything to ensure that the decision is complied with, that he works for only 10 minutes. In fact, they said that they were going to get another wife for him, if she fails to ensure that that happens. “You see, when you are talking about a mandate given to a President , you treat it with every caution. It is not a flimsy excuse to say that someone is ill, anybody can be ill, and then you say the President should resign or lose his office. This is a collective mandate given to him by over 140 million people. So, for somebody to surrender it, something serious must have happened.” [b]Noting the interest of the Americans during the interaction, Ekweremadu said: ”Interestingly, the matter also came up during the discussion with the Council of Foreign Relations. They looked forward to a specific answer from me, but I took time to explain to them the issues concerning life and death in Africa. For us, life is sacrosanct and, we deal with life very respectfully. “Beyond that, matters concerning presidential illness is something that is handled with utmost care not just in Nigeria but all over the world including America and I took time to explain to them; I gave them a brief history of Presidential ailments across the globe and how countries have been quite reluctant to ease out a sitting President on account of ill-health. “So, Nigeria is not the first country where we have a President that is ill while in office. It has happened severally across the world and I am not aware of any of such circumstances where the President was forced to resign or pushed out of office. “And, I took time to explain to them even in their own country how America had handled such circumstances beginning from 1919 when Dr. Woodrow Wilson took ill after the World War 1, he went to Germany and signed a treaty with Germans, when he returned he had stroke. And, for six months, he did not attend council. He was not removed. He was not replaced,” Ekweremadu said yesterday.[/b] http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/12/04/yaradua-can-stay-in-saudi-for-one-year-senate/ |
Kobojunkie:Funny guy. [size=14pt]Where is our president and why?[/size] Consider the difference two years can make. Yar Adua in 2007 (left), 2009 (middle) and 2008 (right). Sourced from the BBC.
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kobojunkie: a) I HAVE NEVER BEEN FOR removing him simply because of his health, since I am not sure that is actually posing a HINDERANCE of any kind to him doing his job. He came into office, after 8 years as governor of Katsina state, with that same illness. There seems really no signs that the illness has directly IMPACTED his ability to do his job. I mean sure, he has taken so many vacations to go treat Himself but even a hypochrondiac could do same.Jesu! A bare faced exercise in absolute balderdash. . . The above must win you an award. Every statement above totally contradicts one or more of the others. Never was there a time when so much contradictictory rubbish was written with so much gusto. . . .Sad. ![]() You really don't have to stretch things this thin because the argument has left you behind. . . .Now I know why someone was kind enough to donate this "hugely" convincing babe to the topic https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-358492.384.html#msg5042308. Kobojunkie, let her "sit" on you and by morning, you'll be reasoning straight (and no doubt with a fresh skip in your step). . . .One last thing, no one has left the original topic (except you are telling us that you have). |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=358492.msg5042229#msg5042229 date=1259853779]you get evidence say yar'adua dey permanently incapable of discharging the functions of his office? if so, abeg forward am as soon as possible to FEC.[/quote]Others are laughing at us. This sort of reasoning produces this sort of response https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-360672.0.html#msg5040044 |
naijaking1:Ahh! I see, you mean his brother, Edwin Kiagbodo Clark. http://allafrica.com/stories/200802050356.html |
nues aweso:Abeg leave MEND jare! Blame our ex-generals (na dem dey import petrol and kerosine). They have employed their highly tactical minds to execute a deafening military victory over the enemies of bunkering. To this end, the following were identified and eliminated, eradicated or disabled: [list] [li]Port Harcourt Refinery[/li] [li]Warri Refinery[/li] [li]Kaduna Refinery[/li] [li]Nigerian Navy[/li] [li]Nigerian Merchant Marine[/li] [li]Law and order in society[/li] [/list] On the capitulation of the above, they proceeded to phase two; [list] [li]Booby trap the federal constituition so that nothing makes sense and finding ways to fix same would be like growing vegetables in the Sahara[/li] [li]Set themselves up as political godfathers, kingmakers and unsophisticated magicians[/li] [/list] . . .I don't know why you're talking about ma lovely MEND. ![]() |
mbulela:It wouldn't be practical to ease Yar Adua out because of ill health, only to immediately go into battle to "ease" Goodluck Jonathan out. We would only end up with huge swathes of Southern Nigeria being disatisfied with the union at best and at the worst; bloodshed, riots, division, chaos and possibly war. If we think the country is divided now, why open pandora's box? |
mbulela:Fair enough, but out of curiosity, why did you mention J.P. Clark as one of those parading as leaders in the ND? The man is an intellectual, who couldn't be farther away from everyday politics. You must have come across his poems in primary school at least, if you schooled in Nigeria (he is part of the sylabus). That was a mistake, here is one of his poems; [quote author=J.P. Clark]Night Rain What time of night it is I do not know Except that like some fish Doped out of the deep I have bobbed up bellywise From stream of sleep And no cocks crow. It is drumming hard here And I suppose everywhere Droning with insistent ardour upon Our roof thatch and shed And thro' sheaves slit open To lightning and rafters I cannot quite make out overhead Great water drops are dribbling Falling like orange or mango Fruits showered forth in the wind Or perhaps I should say so Much like beads I could in prayer tell Them on string as they break In wooden bowls and earthenware Mother is busy now deploying About our roomlet and floor. Although it is so dark I know her practiced step as She moves her bins, bags and vats Out of the run of water That like ants gain possession Of the floor. Do not tremble then But turns, brothers, turn upon your side Of the loosening mats To where the others lie. We have drunk tonight of a spell Deeper than the owl's or hat's That wet of wings may not fly Bedraggled up on the iroko, they stand Emptied of hearts, and Therefore will not stir, no, not Even at dawn for then They must scurry in to hide. So let us roll over on our back And again roll to the beat Of drumming all over the land And under its ample soothing hand Joined to that of the sea We will settle to sleep of the innocent and free.[/quote]A couple of others are, Ibadan and Abiku. |
mbulela:This argument (aside from being very faulty) is diversionery and does not address the issue at hand. How do we save our country from straying into anarchy with the current seriously ill health of Yar Adua? What is the lawful thing to do? If you really don't care where the next leader comes from, why start your argument by firing shots at the section of the country he comes from? . . .Easy ruse to see through, lets just call it "federal character". |
SEFAGO:Maybe not in a Western school, but they exist, you just have to be wise to see them. They are all tangled with religion (or pseudo-religion). Since you are Yoruba, what about Ifa? Try this for a starter http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/history/apter/Cahiers.pdf (note that after 16 years of study, Griaule only managed 3 levels of knowledge before bursting forth to publish) |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=358492.msg5037975#msg5037975 date=1259790324]beaf beaf, you can't eat your cake and have it at the same time. which is it? you believe goodluck when him say nobody dey pressure am to resign or you tink say goodluck lie (using your words to calm the heated polity)? no be trick question, which do you believe? you no fit put de word "persuade" for quotation, come tell us say dat give you the OK to take position on one hand and then take another position on de other. small time you go need 5 hands and a leg to take all de posible positions.[/quote]But I put it in quotation marks, that can't be changed, because that is how I see it. I am more inclined to believe that there is immense pressure Jonathan Goodluck. Several top people have alluded to it and as far as I know, nobody has been arrested or questioned for spreading damaging lies. |
^ Hmmm. I see your point. |
naijaking1:Pardon my manners, that was raw bad bele against Ghana. Not nice. . . .But |
. . .Osuofia don enter London! ![]() And we poor souls have been praying for good government. Passing a four page powerpoint as 2010 budget was not the height of uselessnes; no, that crown easily goes to Honourable Victor Ndoma-Egba (PDP Cross River State). Wonderful! |
Senate rejects motion seeking prayers for Yar’Adua By Emmanuel Ogala December 2, 2009 02:39AMT The Senate on Tuesday refused to take a motion that would have called for a national prayer session over the health of President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua. The rejected motion was to be brought by Victor Ndoma-Egba (PDP Cross River State) as a matter of urgent national importance. According to the standing rules of the senate (42 & 52), it could suspend every other business at a plenary to enable a senator make a verbal presentation of a motion on an issue that is urgent and of national importance. However, such motions are only heard if majority of the sitting senators like the preamble of the motion. One prayer’s enough In the case of Mr. Ndoma-Egba’s aborted motion, a majority of the sitting senators did not like the motion despite listening to its preamble and explanations from the senate president on its merits. An overwhelming majority of the sitting senators, through a voice vote taken twice, rejected the application. The senate spokesman, Ayogu Eze (PDP Enugu State), told reporters after the plenary session that the motion was rejected because it was superfluous. He said that the senate president, who is the chief spokesman of the senate, had already called for prayers for Mr. President not quite 24 earlier. “How do we now turn round to waste time that we would have invested in the budget on talking about something that has already been settled? That was why our colleagues thought it was an ordinary waste of time,” Mr. Eze said. The senate president, David Mark (PDP Benue State), had called for nine days of prayers over the president’s failing health on Monday when he met with members of Knight of St. Mulumba of the Apo Mansion Chapel, Apo quarters, Abuja. Mr. Ndoma-Egba’s motion would have been the first institutional call for prayers over the health of Mr. Yar’Adua since he was admitted in a Saudi Arabia hospital for acute pericarditis on Monday last week. Other important matters After the negative vote on Mr. Ndoma-Egba’s motion, the senate went ahead to conclude discussions on the general principles of the 2010 budget proposal, which it started on Wednesday last week. Senators who were unable to bare their opinions on the policy thrust of the budget during the discussion last Wednesday were serially called by the senate president to speak. A major difference which most of the senators advocated in the bill was the increase of the bench mark for the price of crude oil from the proposed $57 to$62. This, the senators argued, will minimise the operation of the unconstitutional excess crude account and provide more money that will be used to fund the capital projects proposed in 2010 budget. In the end, the 2010 budget proposal passed its second reading in the senate with a promise to pass it speedily. The bill was referred to the committee on appropriation with a mandate to study it within two weeks and report back to the senate. Last year, the senate speedily passed the 2009 budget proposal just the way it was sent by the president, without making amendments – a procedure infamously known as “bow and go”. http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5489968-146/Senate_rejects_motion_seeking_prayers_for.csp |
Maybe it was Ghanaian pirates that hijacked the ship? We might never know. ![]() |
SEFAGO:They never be. Cultural influences cannot be peeled off from Logic and philosophy, that is why the philosophy and teachings of Confucius are at opposite poles to those of Descartes (the very same way Chinese and Japanese culture / civilisation differ from what obtains in the West). Western culture and African culture rarely find harmony; you need inner harmony to be logical, philosophical or creative. Root yourself in your culture and you can't go wrong. |
^ Kobojunkie, stop running around na! ![]() You claimed I said something. Just simply post the proof instead of all these diversions. Damn! ![]() |
Kobojunkie:Eh? Where? Abeg drop dat powder jare! |
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