₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
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His passivity cannot be excused away. The man has no way made us know he even objects to most of what this administration has done. He is not a man in chains, nor is he a hostage of any sort. He could easily have used his office to pursue the cause of his own tribe but he has done next to nothing of the sort of over two years in office. He has shown himself an INCOMPETENT leader and a call for him to as well resign is not out of the question.

Did you really say that? Come on man, thats really really laughable, as every ND person knows.

Kobojunkie:
I am saying YES, I do not buy the argument that Turai (a ceremonial first lady) wields more power than a Vice President does, not according to the present constitution. No that sort of excuse cannot be presented for not calling for his resignation, along with that of his boss. I don’t need to be up to date with the latest GOSSIP wire to know that.

It is not about the constituition, but the reality on the ground. Goodluck Jonathan has never been given the chance to even deputise when Yar Adua is ill and out of the country, except on this occassion and only (as rumours would have it), because the president might be on life support http://www.thetimesofnigeria.com/TON/Article.aspx?id=2307.

dotzok:
Somebody needs a book, Beaf is here reccomending language!!!

Meanwhile both C and VB run on dotnet framework which makes the same number of resources available for the two. isnt it?

Type .NET or ASP.NET into a search engine and tell me how many articles you will find on VB.NET, talkless of VB or even C. They will be 90% C# (same goes with jobs). It is best to give anybody starting a new journey the best advise.

The poster is a beginner who is finding trouble getting learning material, so why would they need resources on C in the .NET framework, which are ALL advanced level stuff anyway?

[size=27pt]. . .Maps to follow![/size]

Becomerich (AKA SouthUnity) in town. . .

Kobojunkie:
needs to? The man has, hand in hand with Yar adua, held 140 million hostages for over 2 years and you still aren't satisfied?

Sorry, but that is crap. He has been sheilded away from any power by Yar Adua and his goons. We do not know the real Goodluck Jonathan.

KnowAll:
With the throes our nation is going through, the dileman of our sick President should be- re- addressed and re-examinined in the context of performance appraisal and practicality. It would appear from sources that the the President has lost the dignity and necessity accompined with ferrying oneself from point A to Point B, having read a report in which it was indicative that the President could not even walk to the Plane carrying
him out of the country in the dead of the Night. This is rather unfortunate and embarassing,  not that it is embarassing he cannot walk, but the fact that the President and his entourage had to result into berging into a foreign country as refugees without visas speaks volume.

Have they thought for a moment that the Saudis might not want to issue a visa to this scronger to power Yardua is fast becoming, his antics and stubboness might have infuriated the Saudi doctors just as did the Germans.

The thought that a President requires a Visa sent a shiver down my spine, how come diplomats dont need one, and the President who sanctions diplomatic Passport requires one. Something is amiss here, that story does not hold water, Yardua's pressboys think we are kindergatens, we might behave and pretend to be stupid in Nigeria but we are not daft.

The German doctors have already told him in a clear voice without mincing words, that he requires a comprehensive medical care, that will mean his inceration in an hospital for months on end, but our power drunk first lady will not want Yardua to take this option for reasons best known to her.

Now we are hearing whether it is rumours or fact, that some dark powerful forces in the North are urging the VP to resign his post so that a Northerner can be selected as President. This ploy is not on, If our constitution does not beleive a VP can become the President in case of any eventualities then the clause and post of the VP should be expunged from the constitution and the post of the VP banned.

What I dont get about these so called power brokers is how come it is ok for deputy Governors to become Governors in case of any eventualities and when it comes to the Presidency and the VP the rules has to change. There are 2 solutions to the present impasse, it is either the VP resigns and the office of the VP banned for ever not to be used again since having an ambition of taking over from your boss is not part of the Job description, we might as well do without that post,  the nation will be saving a lot of money if one were to consider the amount spent in retaining the VP in his office.

If on the other hand we still want the post of the VP to be relevant in our polity, then future Presidential Candidates should know that their VP's are President-in-waiting except if something extra-ordinary happens. If one were to take continuity as a factor, it makes sense for a President to have his 2 terms and if all is well his VP should also be made to run for the next 8 years if he wins the election.  That will create an agenda and development plan that will spans 16 years, of course assuming they one all 4 elections.


If the post of the VP is still relevant today as I write I will suggest the following:

1. The NASS should convene a meeting in which the physical condition of the president should be the bone of contention, if for any reason Mr President cannot manouver himself round his office let alone the Nation, then it is not demeaning, it is factual he should be persuaded to resign or voted out of office.

2. If the Executives in the FEC realise the chairman of their meeting is not able to address main issues affecting the nation, they too should fulfill their constitional duties.

3. If the Politicians dilly-dally on these for too long without making a firm decsion b4 it is too late the Miliatary boys will take advantage of the these avoidable impasse.

4. Our last VP should be President  but for his strong views and personalty and his no-nonesense stance with OBJ.

5. This VP has being loyal to his boss and should be compensated accordingly. The VP should start making his own in-roads in this administration, especially with regards to the personalties in the army, navy and airforce. I will not want to go into details about these, I am sure he understands my drift. I will expect him to.  

Seconded.
One aspect of the current state of affairs is the alleged threats to Goodluck Jonathans life, should he fail to do their bidding and resign.
Personally, I believe the military cannot sieze power again without throwing the nation into bloodshed or possible war.

Kobojunkie:
I COMPLETELY disagree! Compared to those we have out there, that man is a saint. Even with the deportation thing, and if you add to that displacement of the poor in various parts of his own state, he is still a SAINT.

That is subjective, so maybe we get back to topic?

You have always vigorously held that there is nothing wrong with the Nigerian structure, nothing needs to be changed in the constituition and advised that we employ unspecified "tried and tested methods". Well, here we are today in a country on its kness because the president is ill (there is a huge swathe of society praying for him to get well, only to avoid cataclysm); nothing wrong with the structure?

What do you think of the above? Should we be thinking of copntituitional changes?

illusion2:
He's not 'wretched' as a Nigerian. . . poor choice of words . Rather what I suspect you're implying is that his decision/actions as governor may work against a potential national aspiration for political office .

Yes, that is what I meant; looking at it again, it was the wrong choice of words.

Kobojunkie:
I didn’t make any assumptions here. In Makoko, some of the industry in the area ( from the garri mills, to fish smoking companies etc) are owned and run by people living in the shacks.
Work place, sure. But NOT clean up rivers for non-workers. That is NOT the duty of a the companies in the area. That still is government’s job.
Definitely nothing wrong with companies using their profits to improve the living condition of those in the community BUT companies SHOULD NOT be cajoled into taking such actions just because. If a company wants to, fine, but it is still government’s job to do this.

. . .Those folk are allowed to make garri and smoke shitty fish for others to eat? . . .In that environment?
Govt really needs to step in fast. No wonder we have dangerous foodstuff flooding the markets and killing people!

Kobojunkie:
As I explained, I used the Fashola example to explain how Rotational Government as it is in Nigeria DOES NOT promote the election of HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PERSONS but instead promotes the election of people first by region; qualifications comes in afterwards. We all saw Yar adua, a man who governed a state for 8 solid years, accomplishing next to nothing, getting elected to run a whole country mainly because he was from the right region for the job.

OK. I thought you meant to change the constitution in regards to this particular issue.

Poor example, Fashola works for Lagos. but will never make it on the national scene WITHOUT rotational presidency. As a governor, he is good; as a Nigerian, he is wretched - why deport fellow citizens?

You have always vigorously held that there is nothing wrong with the Nigerian structure, nothing needs to be changed in the constituition and advised that we employ unspecified "tried and tested methods". Well, here we are today in a country on its kness because the president is ill (there is a huge swathe of society praying for him to get well, only to avoid cataclysm); nothing wrong with the structure?

Our problem as Ibime, SapeleGuy and naijaking1 is the structure of the country. There is too much power in the centre, which makes it attractive to all sorts of miscreants, who use all manner of under hand means to get to the honey pot. Those that are well meaning are pushed out because they are too principled to apply dubious and criminal means to get their way.

Decrease the power in the centre and all problems go away, there will be no almighty battle for an FG seat and the country will not be thrown on the brink simply because the president is ill. Rotational presidency is just about who loots the wealth of the masses next, we need to restructure the country and do away with it once and for all.

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Democracy bullshit?
That is the problem with this country, we can't follow simple rules.
This is not the time to blurt out fashionable things. The Vice President is Goodluck Jonathan, the country will surely face immediate anarchy if he is forced out. Right now, we need peace.

pcmecom:
Hi
   A couple of months  back I posted a similar topic with regards to global warming, it generated alot of debate in this forum with people for and against global warming. But I guess the debate is over because it has been exposed that the global warming is a man-made hoax designed by greedy and selfish scientist in the west to keep developing countries in the dark.

for those that still have their reservation about this issue. See for yourself!!

So China is making emissions cuts because they are under the thumb of the West? Ridiculous, this is a country that has been building at least two power stations a week http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6769743.stm
Why would the Chinese allow a Western conspiracy drag down their economy? Why would the West too, allow their own economies to be dragged down by some mad science conspiracy? Think man!

babapupa:
Olodo and Ode are common and benign jabs on forums and I didn't say your father or mother is ode or olodo. I basically addressed beef, not beef's father or mother. Cursing parents does nothing but displays your own bankrupt value system and lousy upbringing.

Benign? 
You wouldn't greet your next door neighbour, "good morning ode" and when they don't reply, greet them with "good morning olodo" and expect a smile, would you?

[quote author=Paroh_frey link=topic=358492.msg5009564#msg5009564 date=1259401810]All of you discuss as if you are fools, idiots, and ill[size=14pt]e[/size]trates. . .[/quote]Damn!

rasputinn:
Very true

Don't be sarcastic man,you're scaring me cos my hotel in PH serves meat too

Sarcastic?

Beaf: It is common knowledge that burning tires in the open is extremely harmful to human health and the natural environment. The fumes emitted are packed with the many toxic chemicals that tires contain (including volatile organic compounds such as benzene, metals such as lead, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzo(a)pyrene, and synthetic rubber components such as butadiene and styrene). Additionally, the chlorine content in tires leads to the creation of dioxins and furans (which are extremely toxic chemicals) when tires are burned

None of the chemicals above released into both the meat, air and soil by burning tires does the body any good, they are all extremly dangerous.

Dioxins and furans are the most toxic carcinogens known. Their job is to cause cancer, so next time you see your neighbour drop dead mysteriously. . . Know say no be winch kill am!

Some of the comments here are not too clever. How can we condone such?

Roasting meat on tires is both dangerous and stupid.

It is common knowledge that burning tires in the open is extremely harmful to human health and the natural environment. The fumes emitted are packed with the many toxic chemicals that tires contain (including volatile organic compounds such as benzene, metals such as lead, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzo(a)pyrene, and synthetic rubber components such as butadiene and styrene). Additionally, the chlorine content in tires leads to the creation of dioxins and furans (which are extremely toxic chemicals) when tires are burned

http://www.energyjustice.net/tires/

Yeah, Its in your meat baby! Eat and die slowly.

No breasts, no hips, thin thighs and very short legs. . . This can't be politics, annoying, move it to the religion section.

OAM4J:
This is serious. I cant wait to see where all these will end. One thing is sure thoug, Nigeria will not remain d same after all these.

I agree. Nigeria will come out different depending on the way these three issues are handled:
[list]
[li]Do we live by the rule of law or is a nation of 140 million governed by a "gentlemans" agreement between ex-generals and kingmakers of yesterday?[/li]
[li]Is the PDP rule book superior to the Nigerian constituition?[/li]
[li]Is the desire to pacify the region that has ruled for 40 of our 49 years (by unconstituitionally handing them the presidency) a threat to national security?[/li]
[/list]

[quote author=Paroh_frey link=topic=358492.msg5008726#msg5008726 date=1259384830]may God punish all those who carry rumours and fake news with the intent of dividing Nigeria.[/quote]What has this article got to do with rumours and fake news?

He said that a group had claimed before that they might give Jonathan the treatment they gave to the acclaimed winner of the June 12, 1993 Presidential election, Chief Moshood Abiola or Chief Ernest Shonekan, who was compelled to hand over power to General Sani Abacha.

It is time for Nigerians to stand up for their rights and the rule of law. This criminal behaviour has to be stopped lest the country be plunged into more chaos.
Nigeria has been tittering for some time and we need a period of calm to settle things down.

What a country.

Jonathan comes under pressure to resign

By Our Correspondent, Published: Saturday, 28 Nov 2009
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Dr. Goodluck Jonathan

There were strong indications on Friday that the Vice President, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, may be under intense pressure from some of the country‘s power brokers to resign.

Those behind the move, sources say, want to ensure that the delicate power sharing arrangement between the North and the South, which some military chiefs and politicians agreed upon in 1998, is preserved. Under the zoning arrangement agreed upon by the politicians of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party, power is expected to rotate between the two regions at the end of two presidential terms.

Saturday Punch investigations on Friday revealed that the pressure, which started when the President made his first medical trip abroad in 2007, increased this week after the President departed for Saudi Arabia for another round of treatment.

The plan of those pressurising the VP, Saturday Punch learnt, is to create a situation where he would resign for the Senate President, David Mark, to take over for three months and then organise elections, in the event that the President is unable to complete his term.

However, at about the time that Saturday Punch completed its investigations on Friday, the Presidency issued a statement saying that Nigeria‘s president will not resign despite currently undergoing treatment in Saudi Arabia.

The Cable News Network quoted a presidential press statement as saying that, ”President Umaru Musa Yar‘Adua and the vice president will continue in their respective roles and the latter will not assume presidential duties.”

But a source who spoke to our correspondent on the basis of confidentiality said those who were mounting pressure on the Vice President to resign wanted to ensure that there was no loose ends. Specifically, he said the VP were under pressure to sign an undated resignation letter.

”They are saying that it is the only way to preserve the peace and unity of the country. The North would not accept a Southern President so soon after former President Olusegun Obasanjo and that the powerful elements in the region believe that the former President set up the North. They believe that Obasanjo knew that Yar‘Adua was too ill to complete his term, so he foisted him on the region so that power would return to the South.”

The undated resignation letter, which can become binding in the event of the President being unable to continue in office, has thrown the Vice President into a serious dilemma.

Saturday Punch made efforts on Friday to get the Vice President‘s reaction to the development, but he was unreachable. His spokesperson, Ima Niboro, was also unavailable. Calls made to his telephones were not picked, and he did not respond to the text messages that our reporter sent.

But a reliable source who is close to the Vice President and who spoke to our correspondent on the condition of anonymity said Jonathan was fine and he was not under any pressure. Another highly placed politician within the Vice President‘s circle who was contacted to confirm the report declined, but only after he had said that it was ”75 per cent true and 25 per cent a rumour.”

Watchers say that some of the happenings in Abuja on Friday were related to the pressure. On Friday, the presidency issued a statement, which was carried by the international media, that the president would not be resigning.

Also on Friday, sources told Saturday Punch that the Vice President had summoned an emergency meeting of Ijaw leaders to deliberate on what his response to the pressure should be. Leaders of the Ijaw National Congress, the umbrella body of the VP‘s Ijaw ethnic group in the Niger Delta, were said to have been invited for a closed door meeting with the VP to deliberate on the issue.

Meanwhile, the President of the Ijaw Monitoring Group, Mr. Joseph Evah, who acknowledged that Jonathan was under some form of pressure, has warned politicians not to frustrate Jonathan out of office.

He challenged those involved in the project to join Nigerians to pray for the health of the President who according to him, would survive the current health challenge.

He said that a group had claimed before that they might give Jonathan the treatment they gave to the acclaimed winner of the June 12, 1993 Presidential election, Chief Moshood Abiola or Chief Ernest Shonekan, who was compelled to hand over power to General Sani Abacha.

He warned that the people of the Niger Delta and the Nigerian people would not fold their arms to watch people perpetrate heinous illegality.

He said, ”We are alive, there is a group that is behind this thing and Jonathan is not even helping issues. We are not new to the position of the North. We are praying for the President to be alive and he will survive the sickness. Honestly, we want him to live.

”However, we are aware of the type of meetings being carried out by this clique. We urge them to please pray for Mr. President instead of preoccupying themselves with such issues.”

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200911284581028

9jaganja:
Carbon tax is coming or is it here already? From what I heard, humans only account for 3% of global warming. 97% is by other natural activities.  So basically carbon tax should be the fraud not global warming.

Exactly!
The point people miss is that Global Warming is very real. There is scientific concensus about human involvement in its causes, but some uncertainty exists as to if it isn't just part of a natural cycle.

^
Are those arrows pointing to Benin Republic?

The world bank has provided $450m for infrastructure development for nine of Lagos’s worst slums. Exactly how much has been allocated for Makoko is unknown.

http://makoko.org/aboutmakoko.html

. . .I wonder.

babapupa:
How did we get from olodo to yabing parents? This has nothing to do with olodo, this is your regular childish behavior. It's really a shame that we have to deal with infantile and obnoxious attitude like yours.

Grow up a little for your own good,

You first called me ode, then olodo when I didn't respond. On both occasions there was absolutely no reason for the abuse.

If you are not civil, you get what you get.

davidif:
Naija meat is much better than yanki meat that can cause cancer. At least, this meat, when you thoroughly wash it, it would be healthy, KFC's own will give you cancer.

How do you wash out the carcinogens and other harmful emmissions from the tires used as fuel to burn the meat?
There is no excuse not to have standards.

babapupa:
Kids sha, Stay out of discussions if you're not mentally and emotionally developed to engage.

You reap what you sow. If you think you can dispence abuse for no reason, be ready for the result.

Conditions in Makoko are dire. Basic infrastructure is non-existent (water, sanitation and electricity) and indentured servantry is the norm.

http://makoko.org/aboutmakoko.html

Indentured servantry is a mild way of saying [b]slavery [/b]is practiced there as well.

@tpia

This is from the same link you referred to;

This could be due to the fact that as Makoko is a self-governing community, the authorities rarely visit (which is also a contributing factor to the volatility of this subsistence community). the area can be accessed from the west by foot or by car, from the 3rd mainland bridge or via Lagos lagoon to the east.

http://makoko.org/aboutmakoko.html

The problem is not "immigrants".

It is only shallow people that think Global Warming is a fraud because of a couple of fraudulent scientists.
The Inuit testify to the fact that there is less ice every year. In Siberia, the permafrost is melting at an unprecedented rate. The glaciers on Kilimanjaro have all but disappeared.