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Kobojunkie:
uumm . . . . Did you bother actually reading that line to UNDERSTAND what it says first before POUNCING? Jeezzzz!!!

We know his health is an issue; we however have NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE to KNOW it is enough of an issue to STOP(OR HINDER) him from PERFORMING OR DOING HIS JOB.

. . .Yarning dust.
What sort of evidence do you need? For me and 139,999,999 other Nigerians, abundant evidence has been provided.

Are you a block head or something?
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Kobojunkie:
Learn to READ before you POUNCE with illogical/disconnected retorts.

Maybe reading this article might help you UNDERSTAND what has been discussed on that issue.

http://www.law.depaul.edu/students/organizations_journals/student_orgs/lawrol/0908-issue-pdf/drolj-0908-rolbrief-vanfleet-nigeria.pdf

Funny dude. . .
I am even more convinced now that you do not understand simple English. This is a quote from the link you posted;

But former President of the Nigerian Bar Association, Mr. Wole Olanipekun, claims it was “not necessary” for the President to have written the National Assembly and that Jonathan remains the vice-president acting for the President.16 Although legal experts disagree on whether Yar’Adua’s indifference was unconstitutional, the failure to follow procedure according to the Constitution seems at odds with a self-described President “committed to the rule of law.”

You can take a break before shooting yourself in the foot again.

Kobojunkie:
a) We do not have sufficient evidence to show that his health is really an issue; We only know that he seems pretty concerned about it .
b) We however have concrete evidence that he is an incompetent leader we have over 2 years of evidence to back that up
c) The evidence we have also implicates the VP who has been part of this very same administration; healthy or not

No President or VP has ever resigned for Health reasons in Nigeria either. Yardstick? Simple – Through-put.   I am not a part of the so called “Northern Cabal” and I am here calling for his resignation. The amount of waste we have experienced in the past 2.5 years with both men at the helms of affairs is enough reason to demand they step down, in my opinion.

. . .And yet the country is in limbo because he is in Saudi Arabia? Are you one of those that thinks he is there for Hajj?

Kobojunkie:
http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

I really think you don't understand English. What part of that except you posted states that the president must write a couple of letters to say he is handinding over?

What you have there is simply what should happen in a situation in were [b]he has decided [/b]to write letters to hand over power. That section is saying that, on his return, he must write similar letters to regain power. If he either didn't hand over, or did so by word of mouth, then there is no reason for any letter to be written.

What I find incredibly strange about this situation, is some people saying Yar Adua (indisposed as he was) should have written letters to both Houses to say he is handing over power. In the first instance, the constituition does not say that he must write a letter; in the second instance, we are in a truely astoundingly beyond belief situation, where a man who is evidently too ill to rule is foisted on the nation in a macabre and heartless power scramble by men who could care less about the nation.

Comparisons might not be apt, but given our current situation, Isreal would have been in limbo with a VP unable to take over, because he suffered a stroke in January 2006 and has since been in a coma (off course, unable to write letters). Our situation is extraordinary and laughable.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=358492.msg5036340#msg5036340 date=1259770470]goodluck announce to de whole world say nobody dey pressure am to resign. na him be say, de news of de alledged persuasion dey false.  why people like you distrust goodluck enough to believe say goodluck dey lie about dis issue.

if you believe goodluck,  make you ignore my comment, but if you no believe goodluck, why you tink say de man tell that bold face lie? if na lie wey him tell, wettin dat tell you about the integrity of de man?

@sapeleguy, e be like say you no know the history of "federal character", a constitutional provision.  additionally, i no tink say you know de history behind this unconstitutional power sharing arrangement wey all political parties agreed to.  i go advise you make you go do small research, unless, your stance na to put wool over our eyes, by pretending to be ignorant. we know better.[/quote]Your question and assertion don't make sense. One the one hand, my putting the "persuaded" in quotation marks covers any interpretation, on the other;  Goodluck Jonathan only did what was necessary to calm the heated polity.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, I find it hard taking you serious considering you highlighted a PART of the statement rather than the WHOLE STATEMENT THERE. For all you know, I could be right from YOUR VERY OWN VILLAGE. The Truth is the SOUTH-EAST and SOUTH-WEST is as much to blame for the quagmire as the NORTH. 

Wanting to Compare standard of education  probably means you are not aware that the same standard ought to hold in all of the country considering the system we have. However, the educational system in ALL of the COUNTRY FALLS SHORT of the standard. The NORTH is not the reason why year, after year, millions of dollars allocated for education and advancement in the EAST is squandered or stolen by EASTERN LEADERS.

What has this got to do with Goodluck Jonathan being "persuaded" to resign?

. . .
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
(Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
Oh, no, no you can't disguise
(You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
. . .

Fleetwood Mac - Little lies Lyrics
Album: Tango In The Night

Lies, politics and Nigeria's great rumour mill

Nigerian journalist Sola Odunfa contemplates the invisible and unimaginable creativity of Nigeria's giant rumour mill, as part of our series of viewpoints from African writers.

There is only one industry I know in Nigeria which is completely immune to the vagaries of the national economy and the well-oiled machine of the government security and intelligence services.
It is big, it is strong, it never sleeps and it is unimaginably creative - but it is invisible.

No journalist worth the description should subscribe to the rumour mill and I try not to, but the Nigerian environment is different
I am talking of the Nigerian rumour mill.
Radio Nigeria describes itself as Africa's biggest news network - yet it is puny compared to the awesome rumour mill.
While the conventional, licensed media have to contend with laws and regulations and interests and finance, the Nigerian rumour mill is a wild industry which respects no conventions or authority or checks.

The butt of rumours

The rumour mill has no source. It simply exists with an arrogance drawn from its invisibility.
One day in 1989 Nigerians woke up to the news that one-time ceremonial President Nnamdi Azikiwe was dead.
Everybody who had ears heard it simultaneously across the country.
Dr Azikiwe himself read his own obituary! Subsequently the old man lived several years before reaching his bus stop.
Politicians are not the only butt of the rumour mill, and its scope may not always be national.

Who will question?

There are localised rumours - in small communities, in social clubs, in religious organisations.
They come with such authority that hardly anyone doubts them.

Who will question the veracity of a story that an old or sick person has died? Or that a person whose source of wealth is unknown is indeed a drug baron? Or that a curvaceous Nollywood star is mistress to several adulterous men?
The mill in Nigeria is so powerful that it has permeated the conventional media.
Many newspapers and magazines publish products of the rumour mill as authentic news.
The less dishonourable of them publish retractions in obscure corners several days later.
The one factor binding all rumours is that they are fabricated to injure individuals or organisations.
They damage reputations and cause disaffection among people.
The Nigerian rumour mill gained ascendancy during the long period of military rule when the news media was castrated.
Information circulation went back to the old days of mouth-to-mouth communication.
Opposition newspapers were persecuted and, therefore, their journalists went underground.

'Street talk'

Since then many Nigerians, including the most educated, have relied on 'street talk' for what they regard as authentic information.
Today Nigerians say that genuine official information is forced out by the rumour mill.

Poor Maryam Babangida.

The elegant and once powerful former First Lady was on her sick bed in the US last month when the rumour mill back home published her obituary. It was on the world wide web pronto!
Pray never to be in the shoes of her husband General Ibrahim Babangida.
Nigerians simply love to hate the man. They would do - or say - anything to hurt him.

For health reasons

That story had just been suppressed when I received calls last week from some of my friends abroad requesting me to confirm that President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua had died far away in Jeddah.
The callers were not frivolous persons but they sounded disappointed that I said, firstly, that I could not confirm and, secondly, that I did not believe the so-called news.
Popular reaction at home since the story was officially denied was that, to put it mildly, the burden of governing Nigeria should devolve only on a visibly healthy person.
Nigerians sympathise with him over his health condition as a human being but some of the more vocal are now openly calling for his resignation or removal for health reasons.

'Everything is OK, Jack'

As we say here, no rumour is built on vacuum.
Nigerians got to know officially that their president was ill only after wide publication of rumours - twice.
The latest was the third death rumour on the president and it succeeded in eliciting official information that the devoutly religious man had not gone to perform the Hajj but was indeed rushed to Saudi Arabia for urgent medical treatment.
No journalist worth the description should subscribe to the rumour mill and I try not to, but the Nigerian environment is different.
We have been watching the president on TV for three years and noticing the progressive change in his colour.
In our view he is neither becoming more handsome nor healthier, yet we are told: "Everything is OK, Jack."
[size=14pt]If the rumour mill went to sleep there would be no communication whatsoever between the ruling establishment and the people. [/size]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8389020.stm


Nigerian President Umara Yar'Adua (L-R): in 2007, early 2009, late 2009

Ndeewonu: ALMOST 90% OF GIRLS HAVE BEEN RAPED BY SOMEBODY, FROM RELATIVES, TO FRIENDS, TO UNKNOWN RAPISTS. SO NO BIG DEAL ABOUT RAPE.

This bolded part of the above statement is wreckless beyond belief. It is in very poor taste and should never have been made.
To make matters worse, it is in capitals. I am shocked.

Some people have argued that it was taken out of context; I say, such outbursts will never ever be in context.

Where is parrot frey na?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/203248_Paroh_frey_jpgb0b9cc0a2a1f4986817064ac8061ac3e

jontee:
There is another story there that says his organs are failing. still cant access, from here.

Is this the one?

Date Published: 11/28/09

Yar'Adua's organs failing , Entourage fears he may not make it

, As Turai returns next week

Turai Yar'Adua
Musa Yar'Adua

Fears have heightened over the state of health of President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua as Doctors at the King Faisal Specialist Hospital And Research center, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia have disclosed that the President’s organs are no longer responding.

And not minding the state of health of her husband, wife of the President, Hajia Turai Yar’Adua has scheduled to return to Nigeria next week.

Only recently, doctors officially confirmed that President Yar’Adua is suffering from “acute pericarditis,” a deadly ailment that result from Churg–Strauss syndrome.
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Very credible source in Jeddah told pointblanknews.com that Doctors at the Jeddah hospital have further confirmed that President Yar’Adua’s organ are now failing, an indication that the President may after all not be responding to treatment being administered to him.

According to the source, “am afraid all his organs are failing. We have a serious mess in our hands. Madam is coming back without him.”

In an earlier statement signed by Dr. Salisu Banye, a personal physician to President Yar’Adua, it had said “The medical review and tests undertaken at the hospital have confirmed the initial diagnosis that the president is indeed suffering from acute pericarditis. He is now receiving treatment for the illness and he is responding remarkably well."

The pericardium (pair"e-KAR'de-um) is the thin sac (membrane) that surrounds the heart and the roots of the great blood vessels.

Pericarditis (pair"e-kar-DI'tis) is inflammation of the pericardium. The pericardium has an inner and outer layer with a small amount of lubricating fluid between them. When the pericardium becomes inflamed, the amount of fluid between the two layers increases. This squeezes the heart and restricts its action.

This problem occurs most often in men ages 20 to 50. Chest pain is common, especially pain behind the breastbone. Sometimes this pain spreads to the neck and left shoulder. Pain from pericarditis is different from angina (AN'jih-nah or an-JI'nah). (Angina is chest pain or discomfort due to reduced blood supply to the heart muscle.) Angina feels like pressure, but pericarditis usually is a sharp, piercing pain over the center or left side of the chest. Often this pain gets worse if the person takes a deep breath. Less often the pain is dull. A fever is also common. Often people with pericarditis report feeling sick. Some have pain when they swallow.

http://www.pointblanknews.com/os2501.html

[quote author=Paroh_frey link=topic=359483.msg5030835#msg5030835 date=1259691102]Because your mother and father fu cked each other without praying for a good child, thats why you came out like a castrated donkey and one overbloated pig, go and speak to your parents not me.[/quote]

citizenY:
@Paroh Frey

I am sure you remember that folklore about the shepherd  boy always shouting wollf where there is none.

So nobodi fine for ya record.

You dey scatter ya self too mush for nairaland, anywhere, anyhow. Your yarns no get bearing again. Make you mello na-

You appear like one small chick wey siddon wrongly. Abeg close your legs and shut your mouth.

Expired intellectual and non contributory Paroh [color=#990000][/color]

Kai! CitizenY, you really swatted that wretched girl baby walakolobo.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=358492.msg5030633#msg5030633 date=1259688679]no be for my mouth you go find out where i dey for the past few days.  even if i rush go saudi arabia, i no go tell you.  

na ya people start de rumours.  you sabi say, una no sabi politically strategize, as long as person come from una side, una go want make de person be president. e no matter whether substance dey for de person character or not.  give me de logical reason why you tink say ebele go make a great president.  de man na mumu even by the most liberal standard.

de problem wey dey with ya suggestion be say, it is impractical.  e go mess up de 4 year term wey constitution call for.  impractical in the sense that,  i no tink say any nigerian dey alive wey go voluntarily resign from office when 2 years still remain for him term. no be yar'adua dey there for sick bed without resigning?  

if any person resign after 6 years as you suggest, i promise you say, at de end of de day, you go find out say na from niger republic de person come from.[/quote]When you say "ya people", do you mean Southerners as a whole or do you mean ND minorities? You can get radically different ideas if you go one way rather than the other.

If no Nigerian will voluntarily resign after 6 years (which is incredibly generous), then the right thing should be done with 4 years zoned to the North after Yar Adua / Goodluck.

Also, this pushing of Yar Adua's in-laws is a very unhealthy development in Nigerian politics. When that sort of thing happened in Togo (a much smaller country), some Nigerians were actually incensed enough to call for invasion. What is happening in Northern politics?

kokoA:
Infact I need to give you my dear little sister free of charge You are very sensible poster; north this north that. They (southerners) are not even ashamed of themselve. Who is stoping who from occupying the highest office in the land? The earlier these losers wake up from the sleep and take their destiny in their hand, the better for them if not the north will continue to dominate Nigerian politics.

The Northern dominated army that not only dropped bombs on a village festival in Gbaramatu, it also straffed them by helicopter gunship.

[size=14pt]It is the army, as if you don't know.[/size]

. . .The beans is burning. We need this to become a whirlwind. . .

Number 8 should be Col. Abubakar Umar (not Abubakar Umaru).

Kobojunkie:
MEND, the main millitant group in the area, denied even wanting to get involved. What unrest is it that will be created for a BRICK of a VP?

They only said that they are an apolitical organisation. They did not tell you their reaction. You can get knowledgeable about Nigeria by reading and paying attention, even if you are far away. There's no reward for screaming at the top of your voice while as ignorant as a stump.

The things you're trying to imply will make even newborn babies in the ND roll in laughter on their little round bellies.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=358492.msg5030023#msg5030023 date=1259682614]I'm afraid that most of the posters on this thread grossly underestimate the desire of the beneficiaries of the status quo, to maintain this status quo.

many of una wey dey romanticize de idea of goodluck to suddenly become a cowboy, when everybody know say de man was shell shocked when dem give am VP position, despite de fact say efcc was pursuing his wife for theft,  go dey disappointed.

if una tink say de king makers for north dey suicidal or stupid make una think again. should de office of de president become vacant, de only ting wey go happen na smooth transition wey go  make goodluck president. goodluck go come hand pick him own VP as required by de constitution (ehr,  with de consent of de powers dat be).   

goodluck go be lameduck president because him go announce say, for de sake of peace and harmony, him no go run for de office come 2011.  2 years dey very short and after goodluck, another northerner like yaguda or kaduna current governor go rule naija for another 8 years.  dis one be de most likely scenario.[/quote]First of all, wellcome back. Now I know you are one of those people that has been destabilising Nigeria. Your absence at this critical times speaks volumes.

Anybody would have been shell shocked, but it did not come out of the blue; Goodluck always knew it was between him and Odili (with Odili edging it). What you call shell shocked is the understated nature of many an Ijaw man (few are noise makers like boyloaf and Ateke).

If some of these people aren't suicidal. why make the suggestion about Jonathans resignation? If it is that they are raising the stakes in the hope of bigger fruits, it is a game that could backfire big time.

I don't see why PDP should give the North another 8 years after Goodluck. He would have taken less than two years out of Yar Adua's slice, the North should be given 6 years, after which the incumbent will resign for a Southerner. How does that sound?

kosovo:
Recommendation would be accepted only if some one else seconds your opinion.
   but you MUST know that it in no way aimed at promoting or practicing sexism.

[s]Nairaland Political Man Of The Year! Leave Your Nominees Here. . . [/s]

I second ndu_chucks observation. Let's call the award "Nairaland Political Person of The Year" in respect and appreciation of our female contributors.
Going with the above, I nominate an all female crew:

[list]
[li]Chosen04[/li]
[li]Asha 2[/li]
[li]Radiant1[/li]
[/list]

Is this what you want?

Fresh information has revealed that President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua currently hospitalized at the King Faisal Specialist Hospital And Research center, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia has been in coma for the greater part of the weekend and currently placed under intensive care.

His current state of health was responsible for the influx of Government officials who departed Nigeria for Saudi Arabia last weekend.

Amongst those said to have rushed to the Saudi Hospital after learning about the condition of the President were Governors Bukola Saraki, Issa Yuguda, Chief Economic Adviser to the President, Tanimu Yakubu and some other children of President Yar’Adua.

Pointblanknews.com had exclusively reported that Doctors further confirmed that President Yar’Adua’s organs had failed over the weekend fueling an alarm raised by a very senior member of the entourage that the President’s condition has become precarious.

A source at the hospital in Jeddah informed Pointblanknews.com that throughout the weekend, the President was in coma and was immediately rushed to the Intensive care Unit, ICU. The source disclosed that on Saturday particularly, President Yar’Adua was in and out of the ICU and was placed on life support equipment after he was alleged to have severally gone into coma.

According to the source, “we were very scared that something might happen because at the weekend none of us here could sleep, his situation became worse and he was not responding. On Saturday was the worst of the days and they had to take him to the ICU.”

The source added, “we are just hoping and praying that nothing happens because he has still not responded, but we hope.”

Other hospital sources confided in Pointblanknews.com that due to influx of visitors wanting to see the President, the Hospital has asked that the number of visitors allowed to see the President be reduced. Only the Chief Security officer, the President’s wife, his daughters and few other top government officials have been cleared to have access to where the President is.

The source also confirmed that top Government officials who visited the President are requesting that the President be flown back to Nigeria as soon as possible.

Only recently, doctors officially confirmed that President Yar’Adua is suffering from “acute pericarditis,” a deadly ailment that result from Churg–Strauss syndrome.

http://www.pointblanknews.com/os2508.html

KnowAll:
Ibori has succeded in breaking the Niger delta solidarity into 2, Delta Militant will be routing for Ibori while the Rivers and Bayelsa Militants will be routing for Goodluck. Plus Ibori has the federal might behind him, they will easily crush Jonathan's faction if there was a conflict.

The militancy in the ND is greater than Ibori and Goodluck. They have no say (Ibori) or little (Goodluck) in MEND.
MEND is very shadowy and very well organised, even Henry Okah himself, will tell you that he isn't the boss.

Kobojunkie:
Sigh!!! @Asha80, I NEVER stated anywhere in my posts that I DO NOT KNOW DAVID MARK or ABOUT DAVID MARK.

You however claim to have some information that I NEED to know of , so I ask again, what about David Mark's record do you think I am not privy to at this point, for me to even decide, with that, that I would rather endure his EVIL for 3 months, than any more of what we have now? I am waiting to get this INFORMATION on David Mark that you think I am not privy to.

Are you a Ghanaian that you don't know David Mark?

[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=359732.msg5029294#msg5029294 date=1259676074]Jarus it is 17 +3 =20.

While Taraba is an inbetween state. Most people are Jakun

Majority of Taraba state are on our side. So  leave out taraba
15 state, you only have.

This is where the issue should be, Yar Adua health should be the concern of every nigerian. And let us  been human, this man body have taken so much pain. He could be under pain killers by now.

[size=14pt]How long can a man make it after been in conman[/size]. He would likely die. if he continue many end up a vegetable for the rest of his life.  He want to see his grandchild. Do you people want to kill him?
You see, it still come back to the say issue. We remove the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa into benin republic or create the People republic of benin from the 11 state.  . That remove Jonathan from the picture,  and Have a northerner take over. Which is what the constitution say.  At least you people claim he is a northerner. This is a test of who you claim are northerner.

In river state here are the ijaw town. AKUKU TORU ,ASARI TORU and DEGEMA can be part of Bayelsa, while see OKRIKA  water area have already been remove by amachie.

Take them into the People repubic of Benin, while we would approach the United nation for status or join the republic of benin later. this is the only solution at the moment. We are ready to make the sacrifice for peace and give the north majority, Go and ask the Oni of ife if you double me. We are not that greed.

We do not need the military o do this,, the civilian can do it. And we now join the two countries together and rewrite the constitution.
. . .[/quote]I reject that. Our president is rumoured to be in a coma, he is not a conman. Damn!

Ibime:
Goodluck will succeed Yar'Adua because the North is smart. They know how to give power to get power. They also wouldnt wanna risk inflaming tensions in the Niger-Delta, leading to the collapse of the false amnesty, and complete breakdown of authority.

As for Goodluck's record, it is an open secret that he has been sidelined in almost all affairs of Government. Judgement shall be delayed until he is on the hotseat.

At best, he will be a lame duck President, dancing to the tune of whoever pays the piper (ie the North). The only person with the status to affect the direction of his Government will be OBJ who defied the Northern cabal during his tenure, although not immediately. It took 3 or 4 years before OBJ was well-positioned enough to call his own shots.

That couldn't have been put better.

poor kobojunkie

How are we supposed to remove the VP constituitionally, just because all he has done is be a VP?
. . .Then after removing him, we put in David Mark because you can endure him for 3 months; does anything say he cannot continue after 3 months (by rigging or whatever)?

Please don't blow a fuse while replying. . .

Yar’Adua: Anxiety heightens as FG calls for more prayers

By Everest Amaefule and Oluwole Josiah, Published: Tuesday, 1 Dec 2009
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President Musa Yar’adua

As anxiety continues to mount over the health of President Umaru Yar’Adua, the Federal Government on Monday called for more prayers for the No.1 citizen who is undergoing treatment for acute pericarditis at the King Faisal hospital in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

In a statement by the Minister of Information and Communications, Prof. Dora Akunyili, the Federal government pleaded that Yar’Adua’s family and the nation needed prayers in these “trying times. . .”

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200912012351592

Are they praying to follow the constituition or PDP's law's or the law's of a cabal? Hmmmmmm.

FBS:
Politics. . .kai! This one na movie! 

But David Mark must never become president. NEVER!!!

What about the nightmare combination of David Mark and James Ibori? They must fail!

---crosses self. . . Usai! Anoints self with oil from Oyedepo. . . Usai! heads for Okija / Jankara Usai! Therefore, acquires "technology" from MEND and Boko Haram  ---