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texazzpete:
Follow who? A halfwit like you?!
Silly ideas like yours stick in the mind. Unfortunately. And it's only been a couple of days. Not my fault if YOU have short term memory issues.

You're probably not irredeemable, seeing as how you were honest enough not to dispute the 'hypocrite' charge.

Your mind is stuck on me? Flattering.
Get a life, little puppy dog. Run along.

SEFAGO:
. . .wait do you think you are talking to a normal nairalander with no knowledge of mathematics : . . .

Yes. Clear as day from your approach.

Also, someone, who seems to love illogical excursions. To you, this explains maths or science?

This is from Carl Jung, the famous psychologist- "Science is the art of creating suitable illusions which the fool belives or argues against, but the  wise man enjoys their beauty and ingenuity without being blind to the fact they are human veils and curtains concealing the abysmal darkness of the unknowable."

You are all over the place.

Etyguy:
I strongly agree with Mr Speaker that our leaders in Niger Delta are not living up to their responsibilities, because the Nd ought to be better than it is today. but that is not to say that the Federal govt. shouldn't give them more money, but their should be a way in which the federal govt. should make the state to acount for the monies that they have collected so far as the state house of assemble has failed in that regard.

Accountabilty is the crux of the issue. With the present top down structure of the country, it is impossible hold a state govt to task whithout FG involvement. Afterall, the FG gives the money and governors should be accountable to their source of money right?

The country is set up wrong, it better suits a military dictatorship setup than a democratic one; it is a unitary system rather than a federation. We will never develop or have peace until it is corrected. Any other effort is applying bandage upon bandage.

^Police So you are following me from thread to thread? . . .Tag along little puppy.

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cock suckers sha

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Thats your bleeping problem.

Niger Delta and Eastern Nigeria don't matter to the FG that is why the major artery into that area is like Satan's hell.

This Abagworo guy doesn't think normally. But thats the way of ignorant tribalists who have spent too much of their productive time in smelly shrines.

akigbemaru:
Who owns this Niger Delta? Is it not this same Yoruba people? Let put aside the divide and conquer tactics of colonial rulers. You and I know the fact that Yoruba people inhabited the island called WESTERN REGION, and as you know two bosses cannot tug in the same boat. You could see our influence on everything in Western Region, even currently we own 82% of all the land on Western Region. Ijaws and others on western region know that they were all visitors who had adapted their selves into our cultural realm.


Then, to all the cave tribe called ibos. I don't know what is wrong with them with their obsessed kerfuffle with anything Yoruba or Oduduwa. Don't blame us, blame God who made you inferior to Yoruba tribe. We made you too! Your tribe used to be monkeys and could mumble any speech till our son "Bichop Samuel Ajayi Crowther" codified your ibo language for you. So, what do you do to show us your appreciation? The only thing you did was to eat all our MONKEYS in Idanre Hills.
Also, trying to get credit for everything Yoruba culture produced to this world, anyway they whole world cannot be fooled. Go on youtube and type igbo culture or religion, you are probably going to see like 4,000 clips; but just Yoruba culture or religion it's over 10,000,000 clips I promise you and it's guaranteed.

[size=21pt]Why are you always insulting yourself?

I am from the Niger Delta and there are no yoruba people there, not one. One thing is clear, you don't bleeping own us, never have and never will.[/size]

Name one Yoruba town in the Niger Delta or any town that paid homage to Yoruba. Rather some of your people paid homage to Benin kingdom.

bidemi12:
@beaf  i have a ridle/joke for you. what do get when you put 2 winchcraft mongers on a thread? Give up? The answer is MORONS. You are the kind of person who goes to babalawo to get contract, kill his rival for the love of a woman, burn his child's feet to bring out a confession on winchesm, sacrifice human beings to get that chieftancy title etc  God!!! people de sha.

Really funny. But sorry bro, I am a pragmatist who is neither religious nor inclined to your "winchesm".

I tend to respect the next persons thoughts, make enquiries; not jump to conclusions. You will learn the importance of that with time as you realise the need for wisdom.

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. . .Temperamental.

When you hear that JTF straffed a community at a festival with helicopter gunships or shelled them from both land and sea; do you think it was chickens dying?

Sometimes you need to sit back and think before speaking.

Kaduna state seems to be the most prominent, followed by Lagos.

bidemi12:
@jakumo In fact, tell the truth, you are either a columnist or an aspiring writer. The golden strokes of your literary brush will one day (i forsee) be compared to the mona lisa. My only problem is the strong illetelectual language used to make your point. Mr. Afam, i guarantee you, will not be able to understand it. (i can see him clicking away at google right now) Please henceforth use simple english to communicate your argument to him e.g "winch no real. E no possible for woman to turn to cat like that". That should do it. There are two people so far that have blown me away with the manner, logic, humour and language used to argue their points on NL, (which does not mean i have to agree with them on all threads) one is sagamite and the other you. Alas this is my last weekend on NL for at least a while or i would have engineered a way for us to meet. Really, nice one.

There is an unabashed di.ck sucker / butt licker on this thread.

SEFAGO: This was quite interesting so I would jump in a bit:

That is a logical contradiction. You cannot believe in something and it doesn't exist- if you consider epistemological arguments- it is impossible for you not to know and to know. If you know something then it exists. If you don't it doesn't exist. What you are trying to say is you have never seen charms or you don't believe in charms- and that maybe charms don't exist. But then your belief was never justified if charms actually exist and so unjustified belief means no knowledge.

And someone mentioned something about quantum mechanics- which is a totally useless argument for proving anything. Beaf probably mentioned it to impress you guys, And I don't need math equations- I have taken a graduate class in quantum chemistry (500 level). For example, quantum theory claims time travel is possible is we go through forbidden regions through quantum tunneling, but time travel creates an ontological/predestination paradox. Like two classical examples 1)   Tim can go back into time to kill his grandfather, but if he kills his grandfather he cannot exist, and if he does not exist he does not go back into time to kill his grandfather.

2) Or I go back into time, and give newton a torn copy of principia mathematica (Newton's treatise on calculus and physics) without the author's name on it. Newton decides to copy everything down, and make his own book called of course- Principia mathematica   - the question become who discovered the equations of force and motion then.

I am just giving you guys an example of why science cannot always cohere all the time with logic. Not because science is wrong, but because science is built on probabilistic assumptions.

Long and short- This story is a big fat lie- the okada man just knocked an innocent woman down, mobilized his boys, they beat the woman for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. helped you summarize the witch story. This story is also full of contradictions- why, if she could turn into a cat not do so again front of people to escape? Is her only power a cat? if she could kill people- why was she allowing herself to get beaten up? Man anytime I am on Nairaland, and hear what ppl say, I just keep playing this song in my head :Zombie oh Zombie, Zombie, Zombie way go follow anyone  

If you noticed, those in the opposing camp aren't arguing the veracity of the story (like you, we weren't there). We are talking about the possibility of paranormal phenomena to occur. Let's keep to honesty and not twist things.

Your argument is a shocking pile of rubbish.
What have your stories of "Tim" got to do with either proving or disproving any viewpoint? Strange.

If "science cannot always cohere all the time with logic", what comes closer? Your illogical and unproven word? If you "don't need math equations", to prove a point logically, aren't you subscribing to hocus pocus? Funny guy!

There is nothing on Earth (or elsewhere) that cannot be reduced to mathematics. 2 and 2 is always 4, whether physically or spiritually. Don't make yourself look ridiculous.

@PapaBrowne
God bless you my brother, you are someone with true wisdom. You've said elsewhere that you aren't from the ND. . . We sometimes talk about detribalised Nigerians, in you we have one. Keep your head screwed on your shoulders, people like you are hard to come by.

bidemi12: @Bariga1    I sincerely believe that beaf is a nutcase but your above statement makes no sense. what exactly do you want him to do and how do you want him to do it in regards changing the scenario in the ND. I hear this a lot from Nigerians who say that people outside the country complain about how bad Nigeria is without doing their part to make it better. He is doing exactly what needs to done which is voicing his opinion and distaste against what is happening to his people (and hopefully voting as well). we cannot all be politicians and militants. Revolutions were begun with words and you have to give him credit, he has been consistent. You yourself live outside the country and i'm sure you make complaints about the situation in the country, so the question is what have you done to improve the situation in Nigeria? And please no fabrications.

That was uncalled for.

I don't know what you take yourself to be that makes you so conceited and unnecessarily abusive, but you need a check; step back and view yourself.
If you deliver low blows, at some point you will get a rain of blows.

^It happens everywhere but Nigeria. It is at the root of why we don't develop and why there is so much corruption. Politicians just love to be in the thick of lots of dosh that is why; rather than have the country collect taxes (which civil servants are in charge of), the FG owns the oil wells and all the land they are situated on.

Oil money is easy to make govt; simply acquires the land, gets shell or chevron to ship in the equipment and then they signs documents giving the FG 60% ownership . After which money starts flowing. No effort.
Its so easy and volumes of money so high that we have lost interest in our cocao, tin, rubber, oil palm, gold, uranium, semi-precious stones etc. Most gruesome is that we have lost interest in the human as a resource (unlike Japan for instance).

The system of govt is directly related to our under development and high levels of corruption. Heaps of easy money governed by a single non competing body (FG) = corruption = mental decay = physical decay = perennial underdevelopment, poverty and squalor.

With the way top govt officials have been openly dishonest or even called for the extermination of all 2 million ND people, the country is already 90% over the precipice.
It has become a "we and them" situation. Sad.
Imagine Bankole who should know better hyping up the defecencies of the country, like it is a pride that all the states produce zilch; instead they crawl to the FG with a monthly begging bowl. How embarrassing!

Foreigners laugh at Nigeria due to this kind of foolishness. That is why there are movies like District 9 and the long list of Sony adverts; we actually eat each other (especially the weaker minorities).

^Kobojunkie will soon run away very fast when she see's the stats

bidemi12:
I don tell una. na poverty de dictate this superstituous rant. Halloween is around. It is a day which includes trick-or-treating, wearing costumes and attending costume parties, ghost tours, bonfires, visiting haunted structures. It is a day that most americans play out their weirdest fantasies in the occult. e.g werewolves, vampires, ghosts, bigfoot etc. But after that day you do not see them going about claiming that they saw a vampire sucking on a person's neck. Also if the military as you claim have invested heavily in the occult why are they still buying/building jets, building more nuclear bombs and whatnot. Why are our soldiers still wearing bullet proof vests when we could be wearing cowrie shells. Why are we still using planes for transport when we can easily lift one leg and 'voila we are in our proposed destination. Look, lets face, Jesus!!! trying to convince you people is begining to give me a migraine. i better leave it here. i dont want to be hospitalized.

Do you know how a nuclear weapon works?
To you folk arguing in ignorance here, turning a solid mass into light is witchcraft; but that is how a nuclear weapon works.
Practically every aspect of advanced physics would be sneered at as witchcraft by your likes.

Nobody is claiming the US govt has invested heavily in the occult, except you are being dishonest. They are just more open minded toward learning than the educated idiots around here. Maybe that explains why we are still a backward, undeveloped sandpit.
Click on the links provided earlier, they won't bite, educate yourself.

I'm tired of this topic now. It has been difficult arguing with people who are dishonest enough to change the title because they are losing an argument. Added to that, you are now you are mentioning Halloween as if that applies to Nigeria. . . Why do we try to be whiter than white folk?

Anyway, I'm done with this topic. Those who are wise would have gained one or two things, others nothing. Thats life.

Kobojunkie:
This is not about land mass but about allocations that when compared to population mass and time, ought to have significantly improved the life of average deltans by now.
You speak of Lagos, and I know for sure as the development has yet to reach my area of the state but considering the fact that many (actually human beings) have been positively impacted by the chances, would it be farfetched for one to expect more in the case of a state, any deltan state with almost 1/8th of the population Lagos boasts of?
You claim some of the governors are working, then if you do not mind, answer the questions that @beaf seems to be having a hard time tackling then.

And for some reason, you think your state wasn't built with ND money as the former capital of the country? Your questions are illogical.

I wonder, have you arrested Tinubu the drug baron who also embezzled your states money?

Kobojunkie:
Again, this has nothing to do with MY STATE, and by the way, if calling those who do not see this from a biased point, as you seem to, VULTURES will help you ANSWER QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOU, go right ahead. Again, The point here is what has the deltan governments done with the money they have gotten so far? This sort of sounds like the story of the 10 talents from the bible. Sure, they are not getting it all but what are the doing with the much they have gotten so far? What have they to show for it considering they do not even have one 8th of the population burden Lagos has to deal with and yet it has been able to achieve a lot in just one year with less in allocation.

And is Niger Delta now in the bible?

Why can't people like you drop bias and be a bit logical? Instead of asking toddler questions, why does your mind not touch Nigeria's federal structure? The question of Nigeria's federal structure makes the following pertinent:
What does your state contribute to the FG?

Pro Anti:
@Beaf
You like beefing everybody who says anything against the Niger Delta. That is not how to face issues.

@Topic

Bankole made a point but he leads one of the groups that is Nigeria's biggest problem. He constituted a power probe committee only to back down when some powerful forces did some behind-the-scene abracadabra.

He is advising the people of the Niger delta to hold their leaders accountable.
How many times in our history as a nation hv d people been able to hold their leaders accountable?
How many people can protest against the government without the police forcefully dispersing them?
Why grant the so-called corrupt ND governors immunity while serving and protect them with court injunctions and supposed rule of law when they are out of office?
How many corrupt federal government officials have the house of rep under Bankole been able to investigate, indict and push for their prosecution?

Bankole is only playing politics. Politicians will always come out to garner support by way of pretending to say the truth.

Bankole referred to Lagos as an example of a state with good governance. Why didnt he refer to any PDP governed state.
Same Bankole will lead the PDP campaign train to attempt to rig the performing Lagos state governor out of office come 2011.

Who is deceving who?
According to diplomatiq OPJ of Wazobia FM, Who be FOOL?

The truth is, once blood has been drawn close to you, things take on a different hue.

Brilliant post by the way.

Kobojunkie:
The point here is what has the deltan governments done with the money they have gotten so far? This sort of sounds like the story of the 10 talents from the bible. Sure, they are not getting it all but what are the doing with the much they have gotten so far? What have they to show for it considering they do not even have one 8th of the population burden Lagos has to deal with and yet it has been able to achieve a lot in just one year with less in allocation.

What revenue has your state provided for Nigeria or does it just have an open mouth? Aint you vultures ashamed? Everybody wants to exploit minorities like we are your slaves.

Jaybee2412:
@ Beaf

What a foolish assertion, So Niger Delta is no longer part of Nigeria, remember no man is an island of his own, except the selfish people like you. So Nger Delta is not getting anything from other parts of Nigeria. Do you remember that oil is not going to last forever.

Na so [size=14pt]vulture festival[/size] dey sweet. Everybody can talk rubbish.

What does your state provide Nigeria again? Abi na one way? Haters!

@Fhemmmy

I get your point and I am 100% aware that Lagos generates useful revenue. Unfortunately, the vultures have made that state a reference point. . .

folem:
N3,455,326,901.59 was the VAT revenue to Lagos State in Sept 2009.

N32,165,201,389.75 was the VAT revenue to Lagos State in 2008.

Why did you forget the monthly contribution from Bayelsa, or you suddenly got tired of comparing? Na so e dey be for vulture festival sha!

MrCrackles:
Ask around on the forum. . .No one criticizes and pans OBJ or Akala as much as i do and same goes to every other corrupt vagabonds outhere. . .
This is not a case of selective criticism or personal vendetta. . . .
All i am saying is Ibori is a grand thief, a monumental tower of corruption. . . .
Of course, there are loads of them outhere and i swear, may they all never know peace before and after death!You have not answered my question. . .
How did Ibori become a billionaire overnight when he was a bloody church rat before he left the UK with a string of conviction on his slate?
Fuc.k Dangote they are all birds of the same feather. . .
Now answer my question!Oloshi is a common yoruba word. . . Even my white mates say it, saying it doesnt necessarily mean i am yoruba!
I am not selective in my criticism, to every corrupt vagabonds outhere irrespective of tribe, colour, race or whatever, fuc.k them lot all!

Ibori was picked up from trekking around Ojuelegba in slippers by Abacha, he is now with Yar Adua. Just call him the true face of the FG.

folem:
State Govt Details

http://www.fmf.gov.ng/downloads/FAAC/CurrentFaacDetail/State_goverment_detail.pdf


Lagos State received N5,655,413,238.71 in Sept 2009 while Bayelsa Stare received N4,400,100,890.60 (Lagos got in N77,791,328,395.29 total allocation in the year 2008, with Bayelsa getting N116,447,440,535.55)

Local Govt Details

http://www.fmf.gov.ng/downloads/FAAC/CurrentFaacDetail/Local_goverment_detail.pdf

2008 TOTAL Summary

http://www.fmf.gov.ng/downloads/faacsummary2008.pdf

Lagos State monthly I.G.R is over N14 Billion while Bayelsa State is around N3 Billion.

Lagos State has population of 9,013,534 while Bayelsa has 1,703,358.

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/Connections/Pop2006.pdf

Why is Lagos state getting money from the Niger Delta? Why? Nigeria no dey shame?
But this is the [size=14pt]vulture festival[/size], isnt it?

People who can't produce anything want to suck the blood of the ND like slavers. No shame that your areas produce zero for the country.

ocelot2006:
`about time. This time, I hope the FG gives MEND a full dose of the Boko Haram treatment. Take the gloves off, and finish off these criminals.

We are waiting for you Boko Haram's. Very soon the FG will know if it can really sustain battle with the country's only source of money. Abi are those Northern soldiers going to turn desert sand into money for weapons. You govt people are very funny.

Bariga1:
Hello Beaf,

I think the problem here is so much anger in you and need someone to vent it at. I have now passed that stage in my struggle and have now decided to take the “bull by the horn”. I think it is a waist of time waiting for government to “wave the magic wonder”.  

Beaf, where is Abacha? And where is Ibori? Let us move-on and stop “throwing toys out of the pram”.

Elections were not free and fear, but do not forget the vital point: Abacha never came down to rig the elections in ND, someone on ground did his dirty work for him and nothing is said about that person(s), that person(s) live among your community, drive the best cars and they are worshipped by their neighbours b/c of greed.

I know if I ask you the allocation received by your local government you will go silent on me, you will not know and do not bother because you have no interest. Rather people will blame government.

Help your people in the little way you can: advice them to ask questions from their political leaders in the community abstain from greed and the future will be brighter for you and me.

Do you think that Mend is fighting for your future development or that of ND?

Youngman wakeup from your slumber and start being proactive by educating your family back home:  asking  questions is the key. That is the little you can do and it will go a long way.

One simple question; [size=14pt]what does your state produce?[/size]
Nothing or so little it cannot survive without the ND?

You are asking the wrong questions, you educate your own family first and then ask your leaders why your state produces close to zero. Also ask yourself what your opinion is of almajiri's and if you are proud that your state might be one.
After you are done providing honest answers to those questions you will begin to grasp the meat of ND issues (because they are fundamental 9ja issues).

Kobojunkie:
These people never let up. First it was MEND fighting corruption now it is Bankole's fault that Niger-Deltans are corrupt?? [size=14pt]ROFLMAO!!! Isn't Aaondoka a Niger-deltan??[/size] lol Why isn't he standing up for his BELOVED people

Aaondoka a Niger-deltan!!!!

All kinds of ignorant people bubble up once the words "Niger Delta" are mentioned.

Damn

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

Why should the FG distribute money anyway?

When I was growing up, I learnt that you eat from what you work for. What state will develop when there is free money every month from the FG? Yeye country!