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Kobojunkie:
It's 4: 36 PM in the afternoon here so saying goodnight at this time of the day is weirdness.

I'm only quoting this because you ignored the more important question of your looks. Are you ugly? I really dislike ugly women

You have a daft boss

Kobojunkie:
1. I didnt say you didnt say "cost of sin" , just trying to verify what Jesus Christ said of Salvation is all.

2. He intercedes for forgiveness but not for disobedience.

3. I don't twist.. instead I try to ask questions to help me better understand the flow of the conversation and also make myself clear in where I stand on issues.

I genuinely wonder what you look like. Are you pretty or masculine?

Kobojunkie:
1. But we are not the people called by the name of the Lord - Exodus 6 vs 7, the people who Solomon belonged with... those with the blood of Jacob flowing through their veins who live in the land of Canaan are. And it is to them that God gave the Old Covenant Law of Moses to which He ratified in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 30 as so.


2. Yes, Jesus Christ did not come to abolish God's Law nor did Jesus Christ come to change that which God had decreed in His Old Law, particularly the part where God declared that only those descended from Jacob would benefit from His Old Covenant Law.

A. Jesus Christ came to save the Old Covenant Jewish sinners , not the righteous ones mind you, who were struggling from the weight of the Old Covenant, how?

B. Jesus Christ also came to save the Gentiles who were excluded from benefiting from the Old Covenant Law of Moses by God Himself, how?

And Jesus Christ had to do all of this without breaking any of God's already established law, how?

Acts 15:17
so that the rest of humanity may seek the Lord — even all the Gentiles who are called by my name — declares the Lord who makes these things

Good night, Kobo. It was a nice merry-go-round with you

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, sin is simply a choice made in disobedience of God's commandment and so even in Jesus Christ, that choice to sin or not to sin remains very much present.

2. Jesus Christ intercedes on our behalf when we pray to God, not when we chose to disobey God - sin.

1. So? How does that mean I didn't say "sin", but "cost of sin"?

2. If you pray to God for forgiveness Jesus doesn't intercede?

Kobojunkie:
1. The word "sin" occurred several times in your response that I felt it was necessary to drive home the point that Jesus Christ did indeed save us from sin.

2. The verse you quoted simply states the condition of our past, before Jesus Christ, does it not?

So why conclude that our past determines our present and future and hence an inevitable human condition as you claim?

Yes, I mentioned sin but not in isolation. Read again and you'll see I always said "cost of sin", not sin

Well, are you saying that we sinned before Christ and no longer after He paid the price? Does the bible not tell us that he intercedes on our behalf?

You have a knack for twisting words or deliberately misunderstanding plain english. I'm sure you've had your fun

Leaving soon. Any last words?

Kobojunkie:
How can I flout a Law that I am not legally bound to, this by the Law giver Himself - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 ?

How am I expected to obey the Law in North Korea when I don't live in North Korea?

If you're to be called by the name of the Lord you must live according to the ways (laws) of the Lord. If He is to be your Lord, you must obey his laws. Again, "I have not come to abolish the law, but fulfil it".

Also, 2 Chronicles 4:17 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

You can't want to call Jesus your Lord and not live by His laws.

Kobojunkie:
1. God Almighty is the one who excluded us from the Old Covenant Law of Moses, not Jesus Christ- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15- 20.

2. Jesus Christ indeed redeemed us from Death(not sin), the judgement instituted by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 . Death should not be confused with sin - disobedience of God's direct comandment. For Adam, Sin is as defined by the law in Genesis 2 vs 17 whereas Death is as defined by God's judgement in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 19.

3. It is impossible to not sin? Did Joseph, father of Jesus Christ, Joseph of Arimathea, Zacharias and Elizabeth, Simeon the priest and even John the Baptist, all of them some of the holy and righteous men and women who lived during the time of Jesus Christ, know this?

4. Again, Salvation as given by Jesus Christ is not from sin but instead from Death, hence the reason why in exchange we have eternal life(grace) and not holiness - John 3 vs 16 - 21. The curse which Jesus Christ bore is Death, not sin.

Do you mind pointing out where in any of my posts I said Jesus saved us from sin?

As far as sin being an inevitable human condition. Romans 3:24 for all have sinned and fallen short if the glory of God

Kobojunkie:
Yes, Jesus Christ, Himself, a Jew, lived according to the Old Covenant Law in order to fulfill the requirements of the Law , like every other Jew is required to do.

So what has that to do with the New Covenant Law?

The new covenant is to save you from the repercussions of flouting old covenant guidelines. The old guidelines largely remain,but flouting them doesn't carry as weighty a punishment. Jesus already bore the punishment

Kobojunkie:
You quoted those verses that referenced the Old Covenant, remember?

So, what are we then to obey in this then? Are we to fulfil the Old Covenant , even though the Almighty excluded us from that agreement or are we to find what we are to obey elsewhere in the teachings of Jesus Christ?

What Jesus excluded us from is the 'curse of the law', which is death to the soul that sins. Meaning everyone is cursed because it is impossible to not sin.

Jesus bore the cost of the sin, thereby saving our souls even though we will inevitably commit sin. He bore the curse by dying for our sins

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ give us the " Do not steal" commandment too in the New Covenant?

So you understand that only those who believe in Jesus Christ can qualify for eternal damnation unlike the old way of Death - dust to dust.

"I have not come to abolish the law"

Believing in Jesus does not qualify one for eternal damnation but eternal life

Kobojunkie:
You quoted those verses that referenced the Old Covenant, remember?

So, what are we then to obey in this then? Are we to fulfil the Old Covenant , even though the Almighty excluded us from that agreement or are we to find what we are to obey elsewhere in the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Do not steal from the old covenant is still do not steal in the new covenant. But Jesus atones for thieves. They still get punished according to the law for theft, but upon genuine repentance their soul is no longer in danger of eternal damnation

Kobojunkie:
But we do know what the 79th law is and it is contained right there in the commandments of Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God.

But the Law and the Prophets was in reference to the Old Covenant Law which according to the Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 applied only to those who have the blood of Jacob flowing through their veins of which you and I are not.

But Jesus brought the good news to all mankind, did he not?

According to the apostles, the gospel of Christ is available to both Jews and Gentiles. If you're accepting to be called by His name, you're subject to his ways. "Those who obey me are my friends"

Kobojunkie:
So, we learn that the second greatest commandment is to Love your neighbor as you love yourself, and back to our question of exactly how do we do that?

Asked and answered.

Kobojunkie:
So, we learn that the second greatest commandment is to Love your neighbor as you love yourself, and back to our question of exactly how do we do that?

Also what about the third greatest, fourth greatest, fifth greatest commandments...and so on? Are we to ignore those

Somebody probably asked Jesus what the 79th most important law was but we don't know if Jesus answered or if he was asked.

But Jesus did say the law and the prophets = Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is the law and the prophets.

If you live by the bible verse above you have fulfilled even the 1000th law

Kobojunkie:
1. As you read there, Do to others as you will like for them to do to you is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law and the prophets. So, did Jesus Christ ask His followers to also fulfill the Old Covenant Law?

He commanded them to live according to the spirit of the law, the spirit of the law being the bible verses I quoted

The law was giving to guide people into treating everyone with fairness and as they would like to be treated, hence the "eye for an eye" edict.

If you don't want to lose your eye, do not deprive someone of their own eye. Respect people's beings and spaces. Hence, "love your neighbour as you would love yourself"

Belafonte:
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The law was given in the old testament was it not?

In fact, the bible also records in Mark 12:28 & 31
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these

KangaIye:
These are abnormal floods na

So there are normal floods?

Kobojunkie:
Old testament to find teachings of Jesus Christ? Even Jesus Christ is not directly quoted in much of the New testament.

Are you certain your understanding of what Jesus Christ taughts is based on His Truth and not lies you probably lapped up from listening to other people who may not be in the know like you?

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The law was given in the old testament was it not?

Kobojunkie:
Where in the Bible?

old and new testament na

Kobojunkie:
You made the claim that that is what Jesus Christ meant and I ask you where you get that connection from.

from the bible na

Kobojunkie:
Really? Where in His teachings did He state or reveal this?

Read the bible attentively. it's there

Kobojunkie:
I think you missed my main question here which is what did Jesus Christ mean when He commanded that we do to others as we would like for them to do to us.
Was Jesus Christ commanding that we be nice according to the customs and ways of this world or what?

He meant be kind, fair and not evil to other people

Kobojunkie:
No, I do not, but then again, I dont believe that when Jesus Christ gave that commandment to His followers that he meant in the way you describe at all.

You're the one asking if avoiding your neighbour is bad. Not greeting every passer-by is avoiding them, or minding ya business. If you have nothing to say just keep quiet and keep it moving

Igbos aren't your problem bro. You only feel oppressed if you lack self esteem

Kobojunkie:
But what if my neighbor wants something different from what I want?

What if my neighbor chooses that he should be on friendly terms, and engage me regularly because that is what he would like for me to do to him?

If we avoid each other or collide, then are we showing love according to God or according to our selfish desires in this?

Do you talk to everybody you pass by on the street?

KangaIye:
Some people still don't believe climate change is real

Because of a flood that has been ongoing for thousands of years? Did the climate change start recently or thousands of years ago?

Kobojunkie:
But what if my neighbor wants something different from what I want?

What if my neighbor chooses that he should be on friendly terms, and engage me regularly because that is what he would like for me to do to him?

If we avoid each other, then are we showing love according to God or according to our selfish desires in this?

Lol. I'm to hungry for your trolling. Let me get lunch first

Kobojunkie:
Don't do to them what you would not want done to you?
So when I avoid my neither because I would want my neighbor to avoid me too, I am fulfilling that requirement?

Absolutely. Don't trouble them if you don't want them troubling you. If you're the sort that likes mingling and they seem out off by it, respect their space and wishes and you would like then to respect your space and wishes

Love your neighbour as yourself means don't do to them what you wouldn't want then to do to you. Don't cause them pain. Treat them fairly and justly.

No need for fraternisation. Love doesn't necessarily mean friendship

Who did we offend in this country?

You people should leave nigerian women alone