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Only in Nigeria they will take your fingerprints, take your passport photograph, give you a unique BV-Number. When you want to Cash a cheque, or transfer some kind of heavy cash, they will verify your identity through BVN and still ask for your ID card.

sleekdot:
Anyone who watched the debate yesterday knew Desantis floored Newsom

The debate was to debate Blue state policy vs Red state Policy

While Ron was able to state that California is so dirty that it has a shiit map, homelessness was all over, Newsom father inlaw fled to Florida, That how bad school books were promoting pornography for kids, and how Newsom had his own kids in private school during covid while he shut public schools, Disney Florida stayed open during covid while Disney California was shut

The only point Newsome kept making was that neither he nor Desantis will be nominee and he should drop out for Nikki Haley. How is this part of his blue state policy?

Newsom had significant trouble with the truth even when showed facts and numbers like Education in California, Covid death numbers, Taxes, Gas prices and even number of people who fled the state

The sucker punch Ron DeSantis delivered to him was that California is the most naturally blessed state in the country with beautiful weather how Newsom managed to chase people away from beautiful California

That one is what budaatum like the most about California. Teach the children porn so budaatum can raise his shoulders high when he tells us where he puts his deek is non of our business talking about sexualization of children.

[quote author=basilico post=127255855]Everyone sees what they want to see and believe whatever they want.
Newsom father in law ran away from Commiefornia to Florida because of better safety, lower taxes and better governance.😜😜

I was talking to a fella who had made the move from California to Florida. He was telling me that Florida’s much better governed, safer, better budget, lower taxes.

Then he paused and said ‘by the way, I’m Gavin Newsom’s father-in-law.’ pic.twitter.com/OSsYCRTJYo

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) December 1, 2023

are talking about someone who lives in Aba, one of the dirtiest city in Nigeria. Of course to her newsom won. Even if he was a mute in the debate.

IjeBos:
I guess by Benvalino and Basilico's (I'll call them Beavis and Butthead from now on) standard the Pope is a Jew-Hater as well.

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-conflict-terrorism-pope-francis-middle-east/

It has always been terrorism Gayboy. Remember, you boys hamas slaughtered 1300 innocent children. 85% of Palestinians support and danced

budaatum:
I guess you'd expect I'd read what stupid idiot writes because I sometimes read parts of yours to see how stupid you can be.

I don't stoop into his particular ignorant stupidity.

Pervrrts like you don't like facts

LordReed:
How is the UN behind the radicalization of the Palestinian kids?

Because UNRWA fund the schools that radicalize kids in palestine

airsaylongcome:
Have you got a reference for this?

Use google.

jojothaiv:
So what's the point of refunding then?

Maybe the international AML will shed more light on that too.

Can't you read? The money goes bank to where it came from

IjeBos:
Quote me where/when I said research doesn't matter.
You can do all the research you want, but will always be limited. The more research, the closer you get, but still be always limited until you live/experience it. The reason why people who study French Literature spend semesters in France etc. etc. But, rational people understand that. You and basilico don't seem to . You chime in on America's voting systems, but where you live you vote and put your ballots in tupperware containers, while people easily steal them and drive away. What reference can you even have to understand how secure America's systems are?

You speak in this thread as if you have some mastered expertise on all things the United States, while you can't even seem to master the English language.

Again, I ask you What is your reason for spending hours and hours and hours and hours on this thread?

Because you keep saying you don't live in the US and you have never been there you cannot know what is going on. That's what you have been saying. By saying that you are making the point except you live in the US you should not speak because you don't know. In other words, your research does not matter, you must live in the US to know.

IjeBos:
From the NYTimes
Gift Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CE0.7v4N.uJwKI773-bDR&smid=url-share

Because Hamas is using them as bulletproof.

The UN has been behind the radicalization of the Palestinian kids.
Let this sink in.

IjeBos:
He doesn't know and neither do you. That's why both of you are ALWAYS, consistently WRONG.

But you seem to have dodged the question again. I had a reason for my research and a reason for spending hours and hours researching Israel and Palestine and why MY country gives so much of OUR money to Israel and acts as it's chief backer and whether that was beneficial to the US. What is your reason for spending hours and hours and hours and hours on this thread talking about TRUMP and US taxes and the US voting systems? Why do you seemingly care more about a country you aren't a citizen and aren't a resident of than the one you are?

And your constant inability to conjugate verbs is grating. You sound like an illiterate. Honestly, was English your first language? Don't think I've seen someone write as persistently poorly as you. The sentences you write aren't that complex that you should be making the basic mistakes you do.

Dude shut up, from your very first post here, you have been saying research does not matter. You haven't been in the US, you are not in the US so you cannot know or you don't have the right to talk about US politics. That is you and your mentality since you discovered this thread.

IjeBos:
I think you make my point. Years ago, after 9/11, I dedicated tons of time researching Israel/Palestine. I mean tons of time. Read books and more books, watched documentaries, discussed with Arabs and Israeli's I knew to understand prevailing perceptions. Largely because I felt Israel and the US were intertwined because of the support the US gave Israel and I wanted to understand what my tax dollars supported and US policy.

So, the question is why do you and Basilico spend hours upon hours upon hours only in this thread talking about the US?

You research but basilico did not research. He has not paid tax, never voted so even with research he cannot know. You are a stupid

Nothing you know about Palestine. Zero.

Have you asked yourself why Jordan killed Palestinian refugees and PLO? They tried to take over Jordan do you know. After Jordan is paying heavy for joining a fight against Israel on their behalf.

They did same in Lebanon. Ask yourself why Jordan and Egypt won't take them

LordReed:
LoLz. Trump surrounds himself withthebestidiots I guess. Bwahahahahaha!

Which is one reason I don't want him to run again. But it seems the people want him to run.

IjeBos:
You've never voted in the US, yet you are an expert on US voting.
You've never filed US taxes, yet are an expert on filing US taxes.
You've never had a US bank account, driver's license, or SSN, yet are an expert on the necessities of US bank accounts, driver's licenses and SSNs.
I'm a Nigerian citizen and sufficiently understanding the Nigerian regulatory system to get the stuff I have to do is stressful enough, I can't imagine dedicating the copious amounts of time you do researching a country you aren't a resident of and have no business with just to write the amount of nonsense you do and continuously be wrong about it.
Go rest.

Oh just shut up.

You have never been to the Middle East yet you are an expert in the crisis over there. You can navigate the complexity of the crisis.

Shut up and behave like a person for once. No one except you makes statements like this.

budaatum:
Like basilico and you co.

Yeah, Never met him, Basilico is in Africa . But don't let that stop you from Displaying your love for lunacy.

budaatum:
He has gone quiet my Lord I see.

He'll come back claiming 2000 mules kraken after covering his eyes so he can claim the truth he sees does not exist.

but its you and Lordreed that are spreading BS. it is established that what cohen said cannot be taken seriously. it is against trump so you will self-service on it

TDS

LordReed:
Budaatum just showed where it is clearly stated that Cohen said Trump ordered him to do it so stop lying.

Maybe you and budaatum don't care about the truth, you only care about anythign that makes trump look bad.
basilico is saying this:
Michael Cohen, the former lawyer and fixer of Donald Trump, admitted that he lied to Congress in 2019 when he said he did not remember Trump ever asking him or Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, to inflate the numbers for the financial statements of Trump’s assets. Cohen made this admission during the cross-examination by Alina Habba, one of Trump’s lawyers, in the civil fraud trial against Trump in New York. Habba was trying to undermine Cohen’s credibility as a witness by pointing out his previous lies and contradictions.

That was under oath. in fact:
Trump attorney Alina Habba sought to discredit Cohen as a witness in cross-examination Wednesday, questioning him after he said he was not actually guilty of tax evasion despite pleading guilty to it in 2018 and getting him to acknowledge it was the first time he had said that in open court.

I remember saying he pleaded guilty when he was not. He is admitting that. Cohen was going around taping people. Who does that? He is the worst kind of human being and trump do know how to surround himself with idiots.

What's the point if him putting on high visibility and helmet?

basilico:
The Jews cheated the five Arab countries to attack them and drive them into the Mediterranean sea so that they (Jews) would defeat those armies and drive the Palestinians to refugee camps out of Israel.

Crazy. Leftist be like US should be ashamed for taking the land from native Americans. Israel goes back to their land and fight for survival in the land... Leftist be like genocide... Israel has been Reacting since the nation was established

IjeBos:
As I said we've long reached the point of the argument that you've lost whatever point you were trying to make and are now rambling incoherently.

Your new argument is that if you leave your home because someone is raining bombs down on your house, threatening to commit the same massacres on you that they committed in another town and spreading whispering campaigns that they have nuclear weapons they will use, you left because of your safety and not because you were forced out? And the distinction somehow matters? Holy Fuxing Stupid. You've delinitiated the word to a point to try to absolve Israel of what happened. As all great intellectually dishonest people do.

But then ask yourself, so what. Does the fact that they left because of their safety, to return when they were safe and not because Israel "forced them out" absolve Israel from taking their homes and land? Of course not.

You are as dumb as a rock, an intellectually lazy person and intellectually dishonest to boot. I would say I hope you don't procreate. But you have. Good thing that you're to stupid to eek out a living that your Baby Momma raises them.

Also it's called war. They started the war to kill jews and take their lands. So what's your point?

basilico:
This dolt is a Jew hater because of Arab propaganda. After 1948 nearly all Jews living in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Egypt etc were expelled leaving their possessions . If the perpetual unrwa refugees called Palestinians are to reclaim what they left in Israel , then all Jews should also claim. This idiot does not care that Arabs expelled their Jewry population.Or he has never heard that from Hamas TV.

The guy is driven by hatred for jews.

IjeBos:
As I said we've long reached the point of the argument that you've lost whatever point you were trying to make and are now rambling incoherently.

Your new argument is that if you leave your home because someone is raining bombs down on your house, threatening to commit the same massacres on you that they committed in another town and spreading whispering campaigns that they have nuclear weapons they will use, you left because of your safety and not because you were forced out? And the distinction somehow matters? Holy Fuxing Stupid. You've delinitiated the word to a point to try to absolve Israel of what happened. As all great intellectually dishonest people do.

But then ask yourself, so what. Does the fact that they left because of their safety, to return when they were safe and not because Israel "forced them out" absolve Israel from taking their homes and land? Of course not.

You are as dumb as a rock, an intellectually lazy person and intellectually dishonest to boot. I would say I hope you don't procreate. But you have. Good thing that you're to stupid to eek out a living that your Baby Momma raises them.

This guy too stupid.
See the bold. In Ukraine, war destroyed cities. Some people are still living. Same in Palestine. Same in Iraq, same in Syria.
So tell me, who asked Israelis to flee their border for safety? Hezbollah or Israel? Are people still living there? Yes because the once who left was not forced to leave, they left for their safety. No one drag them into a van and relocated them

Latin School in Boston really taught you how to reason.

IjeBos:
God, your'e so fuxing stupid. You write gibberish and call it a coherent logical point.
Your argument is that any refugee who flees their homes, who are not combatants, automatically lose their homes and land. So all the people in Northern Gaza who fled because Israel were dropping bombs, have now lost their homes. And when they start dropping bombs in the south and those people flee, those people would lose their homes as well? That seems like the exact point Palestinians were making about Israel's true intention to kick all Palestinians off the land.

Kevin Mcconnell got in trouble this week for saying that the US never asked for land when they fought wars. He was wrong, but he wanted to make a point, that the US fought wars for security not to take land. In the last few US wars, the US was sure to make sure they didn't take land, oil or anything because there is a moral element to it and a perception they want to avoid.

Your argument is precisely why Israel has lost the standing it has despite the level of propaganda it puts out. You seem to be too stupid to understand the ramifications of the shit you say.

Go back and watch some more Christian Fundamentalist/Israeli propaganda videos.

No stupid jew hater. You and others are claiming Israelis forced them away.

The ones who stayed at Israeli citizen go figure.

When you are so deep is stupid you start to think stupid and project it on me. That's not what I am saying as I clearly use Israel and Hezbollah as an example. They left for their safety. No one is saying Hezbollah forced them out. You are so dumb.

IjeBos:
Palestinians fled because they were scared for their lives, because of rumors they heard that they were going to be killed, based on what had happened in previous massacres. Some of these rumors were purposefully spread by Israelis to Palestinian leaders to get them to leave. It was a whisper campaign designed to get Palestinians to leave so Israel could take and consolidate their land. Some of these whispers were that Israel had a nuclear weapon they would use. These plans were unearthed by Historians in writings, one I quote by an Israeli general at the time.
Here are his exact words.


As I said, thinking is not your strong point. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying, Palestinians who were scared for their lives fled in hopes of returning when the fighting was over, so it was ok for Israel to take homes and their land? As if the fact they fled for safety absolves Israel from stealing their land. As if they had stayed Israel wouldn't have fought them and took their land anyways. That's the kind of logic an uncritical brain doped with Christian Fundamentalism can make.

They are going to war with Israel. They fled because if war.

Israeli citizens fled their northern region cause of war with Hezbollah common sense. The thing is they start the war

Their own people also exaggerated the situation

A 1970 study by the Beirut Institute for Palestinian studies concluded that “68% of the Arabs in Palestine left their homes without ever hearing a shot fired or seeing a single Jewish soldier”. In Israels Declaration they specificallt make an appeal "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." even the British made note: "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe. [However] ...A large road convoy, escorted by [British] military . . . left Haifa for Beirut yesterday. . . . Evacuation by sea goes on steadily. ...[Two days later, the Jews were] still making every effort to persuade the Arab populace to remain and to settle back into their normal lives in the towns." Finally I will leave you with the following.... “I do not want to impugn anybody but only to help the refugees. The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the Arab States in opposing partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously, and they must share in the solution of the problem.” Emil Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, the official leader of the Palestinian Arabs, in a Beirut newspaper, also reported in the Daily Telegraph on September 6, 1948.

“...The occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade… the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean... advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes, and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down…”
(General Secretary of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha as related by chief spokesman for the Arab League, Habib Issa -- (Al Hoda, June 8, 1951 - A NY Lebanese daily newspaper).

“The Arab governments told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.” (Jordan Daily Newspaper, Ad Dijaa, September 6, 1954).

“The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the progress of war.” General Glubb Pasha (the British officer who helped build the Transjordanian Army) wrote this in the London Daily Mail (August 12, 1948).

“The Arab Exodus …was not caused by the actual battle, but by the exaggerated description spread by the Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews. …For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy.” – The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.

“The wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab states, and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and re- take possession of the country.” – Edward Atiyah (Secretary of the Arab League, London, The Arabs, 1955, p. 183)


For the Jew hater Ijebos

IjeBos:
You got fooled by a quote taken out of context in a propaganda video and then tried to move the goalposts. So here we are at the inevitable point where you know you are wrong, backtrack and start to dissemble.
You have made my point. The strategy of Israel was to spread that fear so that Palestinians would leave and they could take their homes and land.

From further on in the wiki.


Here is one of the commanders Yigal Allon talking about the tactic.



Go pick up a good book with good sourcing about the Middle East and read it. Then pick up another one and read that. And be aware that you are really too stupid to understand how little you really know. So, just keep reading.

Mumu, so different people arguing on wiki and that's your best place to source. I gave you the memoir of the Palestinian president during the time saying they ask the arabs to leave. Collaboration Morris account and the Palestinian woman on the video saying the arabs ask them to leave.

You are free to believe what ever you want but one thing is an undeniable fact here... The arabs started the war to kill off the jews in the land, they lost and lose more land.

Palestine is a land that changes hands for century, jews have always been there.

Because of Jew haters like you and your chief hater Hitler, they were forced to settle on their land. Zionist movement began.

If Palestine can they should fight and take back their land.
The native indians are living side by side with you and everyone they see in the US. If only the arabs will do the same during the day the UN grant them their land and grant the Jews their land.

Tribalism, tribalism, tribalism. this is why you will be buying chewing gum for 1000 naira.

basilico:
If you noticed I have avoided getting into this fools docility. Here I go.
Generally men who are the she-he in a gay relationship look like a cat that has been rained on. Weak and feeble and easily swayed into opening their rectums for the macho guy to deposit his semen. The guy giving is usually bold, loud aggressive unlike the recipient.
Ijebos behaves like a sperm recipient. He argues feebly when he has been proven wrong eg the First Class thing the other day. He argues from a point of weakness. He does not have the "IT" to stand his ground and the mind to move on like pigeon in a chess game. He is the only character here, down on the canvas and severely thrashed but still wants to make childish excuses. He is no macho.
Everybody else here holds their ground and they all walk away when cornered This guy just rambles on grinning foolishly like a cuckold watching his spouse get banged.
I apologize for being vulgar but Ijebos your online character deeply reflects your uncertainties, weakness and lack of charisma.
I have not called you gay But you make me feel like it's possibly true there are really people born in the wrong bodies. Or what people describe as ' this guy is totally foccked up.
When Jesus drove out traders from the temple, had he found Ije , Im.sure Jesus would have whooped his ass for being effeminate.

One day he will have the courage and drop his imaginary girlfriend and admit to his friends what they already know.

basilico:
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This fool is so washed out that he is in eternal fear of finding out he believes in lies.
He lacks basic understanding of the conflict between Israel and Arabs. Yet he thinks he knows all about it.
Ijebos does not know that taqqiya is used to deceive infidels.
He dreads to imagine he is wrong.
Compare it to the left who think they are right and will push absurdity to the extreme.eg Trump would cause WWIII or Men can be women.
Quoting St Jesus of Chicago as an authority on the crisis is a new low.

Let him display his stupidity for my amusement.
Fact is, the Arabs go to war with Israel. Today, a lot of Israelis have fled their northern border because of Hezbollah. it is common sense for Civilians to flee when war is looming. We saw it in Ukraine.
Who Started the war? the victims
Who asked their people to flee? the victims
Just like Ijebos posted a lie about the hamas bombing of their Hospital and blame it on Israel, its how he is still lying that it was israel that drove out the palestinians.

The palestinians who remained are citizens of israel today and they are part of the government.

IjeBos:
This is the problem with propaganda and esp. when a fool like you watches that propaganda.

This a larger part of the quote:


As you can see the Palestians were asked to flee after the Deir Yassin event or massacre. So the fled because they were scared they would get killed just as people did in Deir Yassin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Intelligent people generally read well sourced information. And if they do watch videos, they scrutinize it by trying to review as much of the may-be debatable info as possible. You're an idiot, so you dive head first and get fooled as usual and then spread that propaganda.

Garbage in ... Garbage out

From your own Wiki, you left this out.

In his conclusions concerning the second wave of the flight, Morris also cites the atrocity factor as one of the causes. What happened or allegedly happened and in a more general way the massacre of Deir Yassin and i[b]ts exaggerated description broadcast on Arab radio stations[/b] undermined Arabs' morale.[118] Yoav Gelber also considers that the "Haganah, IZL and LHI's retaliations terrified the Arabs and hastened the flight".[119] One Arab source at the time stated, "Had the Arab leaders not disseminated horrific stories about Deir Yasin the residents of the Arab areas in Palestine would not have run away from their homes."

which the Youtube video you called BS proved and you see people who was alive at the time giving their account of what happened.
you are a serious bone head

IjeBos:
It seems you enjoy being slapped down. Why don't you post a youtube video by Netanyahu's son to prove your point on the Nakba.

mumu, Waste of tax payer's money sending you to that Latin School in Boston. The video you just watch has a souce. the Source is not the person that uploaded it. Fools like you is why the US has to pull me from Naija to help Develop this dying nation.

1948 Khaled al-Azm on Palestinian Refugees
Khaled al-AzmKhaled al-Azm, the Prime Minister of Syria in 1948-49:

“SINCE 1948 WE HAVE BEEN DEMANDING THE RETURN OF THE REFUGEES TO THEIR HOMES. BUT WE OURSELVES ARE THE ONES WHO ENCOURAGED THEM TO LEAVE. ONLY A FEW MONTHS SEPARATED OUR CALL TO THEM TO LEAVE AND OUR APPEAL TO THE UNITED NATIONS TO RESOLVE ON THEIR RETURN.”

If you really watch the video you would have seen sources but you are a Dumb fvck.

IjeBos:
This guy posted a video by someone with the link facebook.com/Isreal.NY. Below is the facebook page it links to. Then he says it's not propoganda.
What's worse is that he posts 2 youtube videos with unknown sources as proof of something. You are really a simpleton.
I can't imagine that you have ever read a book. That is probably why you can't conjugate verbs. You're an ignorant mess.

I should post the one with hamas 😂 unlike you, I don't trust terrorists