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I want you to talk about water conservation especially for someone that goes the sprinkler route............ Im hearing it here as dry season farming on sandy soil is not beans.........any form of easy to lay down mulch that work seamlessly with sprinklers

Na Dowen College i pity pass


I hope say dem go collect endowment from the killers, the school is dead and buried, no parent can feel safe ahain with their wards there

So it needs the intervention of Buhari and the State government for the Police to do its job ........

Oromoni families are wimps, what really are they looking for justice or money.....Person kill my pikin and we Dey speak English up and down,

Blood must flow, an eye for an eye in this circumstance

Have u tried cassava with irrigation before targeting when prices are high......... I notice every one in my place plant cassava at about the same time........


Outside cassava, what crop can easily replace cassava intercrop with maize with all the characteristics of cassava........ Can coco yam do the trick

Attit:
Then why ask me about questions you have a stand on? I dont get it.

Well, to the readers, dont be deceived with this post, if you are a small farmer, you will always go for the best price. He mentioned retailing per cob, having the biggest cob instead of grains, and now he is talking about offtakers and future contracts. Is there any correlation? This is why I don't answer some questions here. It's like they try to find faults. You know you have a stand, yet, you keep posting here, asking questions as if you want my opinion. I don't really understand this kind of character. If one slaps him out of this thread, it's going be a war. Just say, you are here to create wahala. And I will avoid you by all means.

Well oga, goodluck. I have nothing much to say, and I will stop responding to your disturbances on my threads. You have an idea of what you want to do. And I know you will never use irrigation because the people doing it there know their coins like you boasted. Yet, you will return again and again to ask how to increase yield, and many things. I'm stopping you here. Stop asking me questions again. Why do you always want to force your opinion on others? If you are bent on not using irrigation, then, let it be. See, I dont want wahala....you have your ideology, and obviously different from mine. I will rather wish you stop posting here again. And if you do, I will ignore you.

You want a future contract but you want to sell in bags. You want a future contract but you dont want to quantify yield in grains but per cob. You want to sell fresh corn by contract. You want them to pay for your cobs instead of grains, and you boldly wrote you want a contract. You are just an internet farmer. That is it. An internet farmer who doesnt know when a farmer is progressive or not. It means you have zero knowledge on it. You even showed that you arent the farmer doing it, yet asking me questions like you are the one. You need to stop your internet farming. Stop questioning me on what you arent practising. I can detect a farmer and a confuser easily. You are a small farmer, yet you want a contract. Contract on an acre. Ok oooo. You asked for a solution, and I said there is a market but you dismissed it. You didnt even check the market, and you are here still saying rubbish that there is an agent bla bla.bla. have you checked first to know the procedure of the sales I was about giving you? This is how people lose their opportunities. Anyway, you arent a farmer, so you quickly bailed yourself out. Cos you have no corn to sell. I deliberately offered you that option cos I have seen it earlier that you are just a trouble maker looking for faults. Stop posting further to deceive those who want to farm. No small farmer in his right sense will ever leave sweet corn for normal corn. All farmers are always looking for market to sell sweet corn. So, you only declined cos you dont farm. Keep on looking for faults in my posts. Your farmers know their coin, yet, you are here asking me how to increase yield. You want me to teach people who know their coin already. Please, dont return here.

This is the last time I will reply you.

Goodluck!

Sir I believe you are getting me totally wrong....... I'm truly looking for ways to improve my farming and profit and that has made me seek you out.........Im not out to fight anyone but brainstorm to fine tune my own conditions down here.........I can never come to nairaland to quash somebody else........................ Im only looking for easy ways to break even

Sir please indulge me and keep answering my questions................... I once sold a pickup load of ewedu to some-one from another local government, the people that buys in our place became angry and fustrated the buyers effort in getting to market, the ewedu got to market 2 days late........ The woman swore never to return to my local govt...................This is what i meant by tradition............ I have tried fighting various traditions before and I lost the bulk of those fights

I also think I used the wrong word "contracts"........... Please dont get me wrong, You see we are about to enter a time when the price of those bags you see I posted move to their highest possible price( down here its 17K-20k)...........No buyer in my side would see that and allow a foreigner to take it.............. In the rainy season its a different ball game no body cares,all buyers are engaged but dry season is war here.......... I use the word Contract so that as I till the land for soil preparation I already start letting the whole world know Im growing for a company and would not sell locally...............

Please don't stop answering my questions

Attit:
Toy asked me what you can do to achieve 1m on one acre, and I gave you waht can give you 1.5m on 3/4 or an acre, and you are still saying you dont like the market and will compare. Alright oooo. Let there be cabals in market, is it not better than the corn you are doing?

Most markets in Lagos are dictated by demand and supply. There is no cabal there. All you do is pay agent commission and pay for logistics to market. If you are contended with your corn and N300k to N450k per acre, it's ok.

No wahala.

Lol
Don’t get me wrong, in this place there s a tradition of doing things that if one goes against, u might find difficult the next farming season such as bypassing already established off takers............ Dats what I meant.......These guys know their onions well........


If I would farm for an established canning facility, I would prefer something like a futures contract that would be binding on both me and the buyer(preferably written) cos I know in the long run most companies don’t like to be tied to farmers themselves, they use the off takers to the farmers disadvantage....


Anyway I talk from the point of view of a small acreage farmer


Pls pardon my indulgence

Attit:
If you use the same specification above I gave you which gives N420,000 sales on 4.5 to 5 plots (less than an acre), you will have 15,000 plants. If you use 20cm emitters, you will have 22,500 plants on the same piece of land. I believe you can have 14,000 plants at the end of the day. From what I know, about 4 cobs of sweet corn make 1kg which you can easily sell at N400. However you have to send it to farm. You must pay for logistics. It's even better. I dont know why you want to do farm Gates price. I think you can easily hit N1.3million to N1.5million sales easily. But you may not be able to sell them all at the same time, so you have to strategize staggered production.

If you want to try this, send me message and I will hook you up with one or two people who can sell your sweet corn. If I tell the person tk reserve you a spot, be assured he will. But make sure you dont fail.

So, go and get drip irrigation and get in touch with me.

I have heard so much about this sweet corn but I dont like the market, I want to be able to get 5 or 6 buyers compare prices and go for the one that pays me.................................. I still prefer farm gate prices, the wahala created by various cabals have made me prefer farm gate prices, more over the nature of agricultural goods (very perishable) have made me realise that I have to pass the burden of preservation to someone else.................... Good luck to the buyer, the bulk of those maize is going to be sweetened and sold fresh

To tell you the truth

Attit:
If you are using irrigation, I can give you estimation, but not based on your bag. I dont know about it. But if you happen to give me the bag while I am on farm, I can make a good guess, but not here. Sorry.

Make your estimation based of total survival percentage. Your survival rate in a farm without irrigation cannot be predicted accurately, so, I will rather avoid that scenario. I know it is a no go method for me. Since I will NEVER use it, I will rather not talk about it.

I am sure you depended on rain. That I see grown corn plants doesn't mean there are healthy and matured cobs there. So, I cannot make any estimation. It is just way too unprofessional. Please, follow my thread on gambling on farm.

Let's say you use drip, and you can afford 4,500m drip of 30cm emitters, you are sure of having 14,000 stands with good cobs. The quality of cobs you get when you irrigate and fertilize well is better than when you rely on rain. I cannot quantity it at all like this. So the safest way is to use direct cobs sales. Get the amount of the average size of your cob. So, you know that if you habe around 13,500 cobs if you manage your farm well, fertilize well, and prevent against pests and birds. I want to believe that an average fresh corn can go for N30 - N60 wholesale price anywhere. So, you can calculate your sales. This is the best way I can do the estimation here. You too know it depends on the variety also. If minimum of N420,000 is enough sales for 4.5 to 5plots of land, you should go for drip irrigation.

I understand maize fairly and I'm getting to understand its just a fairly profitable crop , its not a super crop.................Its very hard to make #1m from an acre of maize you have to be a super farmer...... #30 is about the best price for fresh maize in the dry season, I would be extremely happy to get #40...........Really looking forward to a strategy to get #1m from an acre of maize...........(farm gate price)

based on that type of bagging above what is the record yield that you have seen, I still prefer selling my corn this way to waiting oit out to dry for grain

how fast does the effect of atrazine wash off from d land...............I noticed that broad leaf weeds become noticable after 2 months, a good thing to me as it signals tomato can be rotated on the land

Most maize seeds are marketed by grain yield.........Im not after grain yield, I'm after Cob-size from extremely high population to fill that sac in an instant......... Secondly, What can i do to start making the second cob on corn Plant big and marketable and also ripen at the same time.....................................Finally, Suggest a good cost effective hybrid that you have tried......

i got 2 bags per plot of land........Im looking to push it to 12 bags...................The land used has been farmed for years and depleted of nutrients........... I only used poultry manure(albeit wet--- so i cant fully say its 10tonne per acre) at 2-3 weeks and controlled for army worms..... Im yet to get a planter but achieved good population by hand,.........Im about to start 1.5 acre of corn and only plan to sell fresh and in this bags.......... Small if u ask but I want to hit it by feb ending

Can some-one tell me his yield data in terms of this type of bagging........My Current yield is 1bag per alakpin and 2 bags per plot............ Not fantastic as I have seen 4 per alakpin and 7 per plot

Attit:
Human manure is filled with disease, so must be composted well. And the smell cannot allow local ways to do it. You will just get sick. You need heavy machine to do it. Even livestock poo is dangerous. I pity people who handle them carelessly. And they will even be smiling after correcting them like they are super men.

Yes it's possible to use manure, though, plants manure too will be added. But it requires heavy finance. People who cannot buy drip are the ones who will buy heavy machines for commercial organisms food? And the price of organic food is not worth it. It's basically same as chemically produced food. So, why should anyone bother about it? If the price is like 1.5 to 10 times that of inorganic just like how it is in the US, it makes sense. If you want to eat organic, grow it yourself. I grow all my vegetables organically. I dont buy outside. I produce broilers organically too. Every week, I slaughter four 3-kg chickens that's around 8.5kg after removal of organs and skin.

You dont know how to use fertilizer. Though, compost is sure good. You still need it, but it can be combined well with manure. Even 99% nutrition can be fertilizer. Using fertilizer needs brain. And if using drip, it is even worse. This is what many dont know. And it is one of the reasons many farmers crash after 2 to 3 years of production.

When some farmers have successfully completed first cycle, they cut off everyone who assisted them. Many of them do this to avoid fulfilling their promises. Lol. But they cant return to the people who assited them. This subject about fertilization is vital. See, give such farmer 3 years, everything will crash. To know what to do comes from deep decision making ability, and with a mathematical mind. If I give you a formular for this year, you better not use it again, but ask me. You use it next year and repeat again and again will result in turning your land to a barren land. Many who I gave formulation to, would go and use it again and again. They always crash.

With manure, you can survive with a carefree attitude. Just continue dumping there. But with fertilizer, its a different ball game. When you go to fam, you should get better. But Nigerian farmers get worse, and they eventually quit. I know some guys who are gifted with handling workers. They are so good in it. And this is an area I dont even want to know. Cos I cannot be monitoring and running after adults. For what? But those guys who are successful treat workers like animals they are. Funny, they still crash. Why? They mostly succeed the first time. The subsequent ones are losses. But they arent ready to improve. I always advise them to keep changing sites, and they practise leaving their land to rest for 7 to 10 years like our forefather. Lol.

Sir, if you do soil preparation well, you will use fertilizer very well. When you continue putting the right living organisms in your soil, and you protect them, and then you follow the right dosage and application method, nothing stops you from making huge harvest back to back, year after years to come on the same land.

Dont farm blindly. Always do soil tests. I'm not talking about nutrient tests. A complete test. And it is so expensive. So I dont see how farmers can be consistent here. In the north, they rest land and practise rotation very well. They dont joke with it. But in the south, this is not the case.

Please, if you see a farmer who has been winning back to back for the past 5 to 10 years, kindly let me meet the person. They always crash.

This is my biggest advantage in manure(compost).................... Remove smell and the level of supervision of workers is low.....................a friend of mine lost a farm recently just because he was not there to monitor the placing of fertilizers........................................

can u give me a strategy to carry manure(swine, poultry, cow, Goats, human or even abbatoir) that is cost effective and requires minimal human handling before being dumped on the farm.....

A friend of mine from the north says that is the work for donkeys and camels up there........................... I'm seriously considering raising such farm animals for this purpose.....

is it possible to grow large acrage with only manure..................possibly human manure compost............. How would you go about it especially handling........................ My experience with compost and manure tells me its better than fertilizers......................... handling is my only issue

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I would post a set of pictures and would welcome ur criticism....... don’t mince the words

what are hazera variety answers to the following problems in the south west..............
1.) heavy rainfall(corresponds with season of high prices)
2.)High Temprature( Average temprature when tomato prices are High is 30 daytime and 29 Night time)

I have seen a friend grow tomato with successfuly but unprofittably on his pilot plot with a pletora chemicals at times I wonder if the tomatoes were suffering from AIDS, he never uses the same chemical twice................... Add staking to that and one is tempted to ask "Do i Have to go through all this to make money"...................................

Please tell us how Hazera is coming in to help Farmers...... Tomato headache no be beans o

spend a little time and talk about the local heir loom seeds with respect to locations in the sw..i know yield is poor but permit my indulgence

Attit:
I have actually worked with sprinkler, and it's ok, but you must be very good. Using sprinkler is like rainy season farming. You will have high bacterial, fungi, and viral infection. If you knkw how to tackle diseases, you are good to go.

Another reason you should not consider it is that you will waste water during dry season except you habe massive water around. If not, dont go there. If you are pumping water from underground, it will result in a loss. Better close your eyes and buy drip because the cost of running sprinker if you are pumping from underground with submersible pump is high. There are systems where the water level is close to the ground level and you can use mini mud surface pump.

Rain gun is very good if you buy quality. The ones around I see are bad cos they run with low pressure. To irrigate with sprinkler, the water water spread well. And it doesn't spread with low pressure sprinkler. They tend to concentrate on a particular radius line along the circle. The water is not well diffused. Its is a big problem. The one China makes which spreads well are powered with around 12kva. And do you know what that means? Though, it may cover 1 ha or more. Even there are ones that up to 30kva powers. Is it worth it for a small farm? For me to use that, I include central pivot system and mount the run gun at the end so that it can cover even more area. I'm talking of irrigating 50 to 200 ha at once. It may take 12 hours to cover the whole place. So, if looks like the it actually rain..

If the system is not sophisticated, sprinker does not irrigate deep. So, the micro sprinkler where by you set up like 10 units to cover 1 plot may not irrigate deep. So, they are basically for shallow roots system. However, you can still manage them for tomato and cucumbers. Yield will be low, but it will still work. At least if one is doing dry rain season, it will work. As rain will take over later, and then, whenever there is non, sprinker can come up.

Generally speaking, for small farmers, drip is still ok in my opinion; though, if you are good, you can still use sprinker. If you buy a quality Fri which can last 10 years, you are good to go. You dont even need too much problem managing drip. Very easy and direct.

But if you are doing greens, you have no option than to go for sprinkler (lettuce, local green (local spinach, yoruba and Igbo greens except ugu).

Rain gun can cover even 4 plots. It depends on the size you buy. But it causes erosion like I mentioned above.

I think you should mention the crops you want to use it for.

The cost of pumping water from underground is equivalent to opening a pure water factory.............. I have moved closed to a river and I intend farming corn and pepper................. corn on the clay close to the river and pepper on the sand about 80m from the river

Strictly speaking............. I really want to ask if you have met or seen any rain gun at work that covers more than 1acre

Can you talk about a sprinkler system for me, I dont like drip as i still subscibe to manual weeding........... I have tried rain gun and I find it hard to cover two plots in a sweep............

efficiencie:
Just imagine...one man go dey work like craze to provide first class lifestyle for his family only for the one lazy Nigerian yoot to be working hard on his wife's ass! This madness has to stop abeg.

How can u be providing first class life style for your wife without good daily knacking......

Many men just dey use work dey cover bedroom inadequacies........

You can never cheat Nature

advanceDNA:
U obviously don't know how genetics work...because you And ur wife donate 23chromosomes each doesn't mean you both will equally donate the gene that will code for the faicial structure...
It's a random thing during ontogenesis...

That's why u see sometimes, girls look exactly like their father because sometimes the process selects the father's genes that code for facial phenotypic expression..but mostly, lots of girls look like their mother...

The fact that there is dominant and recessive genes makes the process even less black and white like u are implying

Is it only facial structure u give ur child, my dear don't over flog this.......

U seriously don't know how genetics work

Back in the old days, elders stamp their feet on their children not marrying into some families, u think they don't know what they were doing

Granted a woman might philander but if a product arises from such Union, it is as clear as water


I stand on my ground, Dna test will only help out if close relatives are battling the paternity of a child..... You don't need Dna test to sort out a paternity row between an Isoko landlord and an Fulani tenant

You all are talking from position of weakness, there is no way my close friend can father my child and I won't know, it's a whole different scenario as compared to my wife is sleeping with my close friend

I might not be able to control the fact that my wife might sleep with my close friend but if any fruit arises from that sexual Union, she can never say it's mine

A woman can only lie about the paternity of a child for only 9 months the child is in her womb, after 9 months and she gives birth the power reverses back to u.....

No human being carries only recessive genes in him...... Let's not over flog this issue apples don't give rise to oranges

A man that waits for 23 years after the birth of a child and needs dna test to confirm the paternity of his child is a compound fool and is just looking for a socially acceptable reason to do something stupid

God or Nature never makes mistakes, it's man that does

efficiencie:
No matter how you try to deceive anyone it will not work...a child may look so much like his or her mother that a man may not suspect that the child is not his if truly the child is not his. It is better to spend 150k, to know the true father of a child, than spend a fortune training and raising another man's child and then one fool comes from nowhere to claim the child as his...churches must as a matter of necessity start requiring DNA test results/declaration of paternity before child dedication. Some fathers may know the child is not theirs but still want to raise the child as theirs such fathers should submit a declaration of paternity otherwise submit DNA test results. Shikena. If you are afraid of this development then you must have a ton of skeletons in your cupboard.

Let's stop reinventing the wheel,a child's genetic make up is split equally, I don't need a dna test to know my dad is my dad, it like using a machine gun to kill a mosquito but if mum had slept with my dad's brother or relative then dna night come in to prove

With so much uproar or marketing of dna test online, one should really put on his thinking hard and ask simple questions, can nature really make mistake...... In every offspring the man donates half while the woman donates half of the genetic material.......seriously one does not need a thousand dollar test to know if a child is truely his, him must take something resemble him papa....no need for soothe Sayers..... The idea of a dna test only comes to play when close relatives are vieing for the paternity of a child.......


Please let's not fall for this marketing gimmick......... Apples have never given rise to oranges and never will

abouzaid:
i have decided to dig a well and get a water pumping machine for a start, the rest of the land would be used for cassava and water melon as adviced by someone here. Funny enough, someone is offering to get me a leased land close to a river, maybe i should check it out.

U r definitely a starter, let me burst u a little as I have made d mistake u r making......,
To irrigate corn one needs at least 1mm of rainfall every 4 days to be delivered by any means rain, drip sprinkler or furrow.... Now to cover a hectare multiply area by the rainfall requirement.........10,000,000 liters every 4 days, for an acre u divide by 2.5 to get 400,000 liters....... If u follow food agronomist practices u can reduce this to 100000 liters every 4 days

Before u think of irrigation one should remember this, can ur well deliver 100000liters in 4 days I doubt, so u need to go close to a river, even if ur well can, the deeper the well the higher the cost of pumping up
After this you think of the best way to distribute this water around ur field........

As u can see we have left the realm of agric into the realm of engineering

OluchiDelly:
You guys separated your markets from local/illiterate farmers with local variety inside local baskets.

very good observation...................

those baskets are the unit of measurement in my area....................

how much do those baskets go for ( platinum & Local)

ideepaul:
You don't know alot about cucumbers and you're planning to do tomatoes? I am here to scare you, but lemme be honest; it's difficult for a "successful" tomato farmer to fail in cucumbers if he gets some basic info needed, but it's very easy for a cucumber farmer to fail when switching to tomatoes.
The agrochemicals/materials you will use to manage the tomato farm won't be cheap nor free, so why won't you try to recoup some parts of your investment even if you're learning? Unless you have a good source of money that doesn't have any subheading!
I would personally advise you spent time digesting every info you can find on nairaland, Facebook(I have learnt more than you can imagine from here), YouTube, and any other research papers you can lay your hands on.
Devote time/do trials to improve on your farming capacity, and if you believe in God, pray for his mercies and favour.
Study every farmshot image you see, there is a lot to learn in images than most people can imagine (there is a reason why research bodies/labs don't put images of its work carelessly)
Find a farmer in your locality who is open minded and willing to share information with you,(they can be hard to find, but believe me, there are good people out there)
Start from crops that demand less capital, but have a good ROI, and understand the basics of farming from those easy crops with less challenges,( there's a reason why some crops have higher returns on investment, the risks involved no be here o).

Golden Nuggets, You are a true tech minded farmer........................

So many Hybrids available but many are plagued by un-even emergence.................... A very scary scenerio a week or two after planting