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Godsfamilymemba:
Atheists are convinced there is no God

Agnostics are convinced no one can know whether God exists or not

Theists are convinced God exists.


I am convinced that God is love, God is good and God is powerful. I'm convinced that God is not human and does not think like us.

I'm convinced God is not subject to logic, He created logic as just one of His ways. He is not subject to nature, He created nature as just one of His creations.

Was not born a theist; I was not born an agnostic, neither was I born an atheist. I was born a human and so I lived until God revealed Himself to me.

I was not a Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim or any such thing but God revealed Himself to me. In religion people seek to know God but I can say, you will get confused that way.
All you need is a sincere heart kept open and willing to know God and God Who is not far from us, in His own appropriate time will reveal Himself to you.

If you will not give up succeeding or living or comfort or anything else, then you shouldn't give up on expecting God to reveal Himself to you.

you right bro...but how can you love God if you don't know (understand His way) and How can you worship Him if you don't love Him
(How can you worship rightly if you don't know Him)

--my people suffer for the lack of knowledge--hosea4:6------knowledge of WHAT ?

Solomon19:
I want everything to turn around for me,have fast and don alot, but noting is working,am a chorister in my church,but nottin is work,have don alot of spiritual work...to no avail...Please advise me

guy better change yourself..always remember that you are the sculptor of your own future

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HCpaul:
But Oyedepo is loaded than you may think.
He can recite the entire bible offhand without omitting a verse.

The man will defeate you.

But what about my local church pastor that just came from kenya?

kikiki...memorizing isn't the issue bro

Wow! Wow!! Wow !!!

Did you just quote 1corinthian15:5 as jesus appeared to cephas then peter?

So wrong

The correct statement

1corinthian15;5 jesus was seen by cephas then by the TWELVE


Matt28-16 -20 ----i didn't see any 500 here I only saw eleven are you sure you KNOW how to check the bible? Or is your version different from mine?

Well I'm using the new king james version so pick it up and check please

@plappville

Moreover you don't have to quote the entire bible to clarify just one contradiction out of 100s of them

Let's see how many verse you will quote to explain this one

John8:14----jesus said " though if I bear witness of myself the witness is true

John5:31----if I bear witness of my self my witness is not true-


And this one

John8:29--the FATHEr as not LEFT me alone,for I always do THosE things that please Him

Matt27:46--my God,my God why hath thou forsaken me?

And this One

LUke24:50-51----jesus was carried up into heaven at BETHANY

Act1:12---he ascended into heaven at MOUNT OLIVET


waiting patiently to see what unfolds

plappville:
No, contradiction is when Muhammad said only allah can create a life. But went on and say Jesus created a life by the Permission of allah. Only God can create. Only God can be worshipped. God does not give this attributes to a mere prophet. The quran called Jesus a mere prophet just like others. Yet he turned a clay to a living bird? A thing no other can do but allah? Has the quran not contradicted itself? There are many contradictions. If you want.

lol

Lol
@OP you don try,,but you failed to understand what contradiction is

Now tell me who denies the fact that the human body contain about 65% of water??

Tell me who denies the process of REPRODUCTION in the human being?

And tell me who denies the process of creation from clay ?

Until you find some1(thiest) who denies these phenomena then you can call it contradictory

COntRADICTION isn't saying that a human being has 2 eyes 2nostrils and one mouth

Here is an example of what contradiction is

Jesus appeared to the TWELVE when he arose from the dead-1cor15:5

Jesus appeared to the ELEVEN after he arose from the Dead-mat(28:16

Contradiction is saying the human has 3 eyes and saying he has 4 eyes

Cheers dear you've tried

....The trend you shared is so laughable and for those without reasoning

As for your God creating Life another laughable thing...because He did it with the PERMISSION OF ANOTHER...what kind of a God seeks permission from another to create? Jesus ryt?

plappville:
It seems you are a school boy like ur co-muslims here. You asked me something i have already provided. I humbly showed it to you, you still asking the title of the tread as if you cant read the Picture

You will rot in hell if you continue to be ignorant. Am not here to rap with you. My aim continues..*sigh*!!

no need for the long story typing the name of the trend will cost less words sister

mamsong9:
If you words make any meaning to me, I think is this.
Jesus is not the Son of God, simple.

@BETATRON: I Think this people need serious deliverance. Their life is so confused that they could not differential truth from falsehood.

my brother that's the what you get when your religion don't entertain logic oh

The guy just quoted the "entire" bible and finally said IT IS CONFUSING.....what a CONFUSIoN INDEED
Outta data jare lemme get some rest....salaam

mamsong9:
If you words make any meaning to me, I think is this.
Jesus is not the Son of God, simple.

@BETATRON: I Think this people need serious deliverance. Their life is so confused that they could not differential truth from falsehood.

my brother that's the what you get when your religion don't entertain logic oh

The guy just quoted the "entire" bible and finally said IT IS CONFUSING.....what a CONFUSIoN INDEED

Medicis:
Your problem is dat u think u know d Bible, but you don't. SON OF GOD is used literarily or sometimes metaphorically so u can figure it out for yourself. Infact you putting David in a bracket for psalm 2:7 shows dat you case is so pathetic. And your 1 chro 22:11 does not exist in my Bible. Act 13:33 had explained Psalm 2 even b4 the birth of islam. It is important to note that the phrase "only begotten" in John 3:16 is not the same Greek word that appears in Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5 or 5:5. The phrase "only begotten" comes from the Greek word MONOGENES which means that Jesus is the unique or "one and only" Son. MONOGENES occurs only five times in the New Testament: John 1:14; 3:16, 18; Hebrews 11:17 and 1 John 4:9.
When we come to the word "begotten" in Psalm 2:7, we enter into a different arena of meaning. Here is Psalm 2:7,
I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You. Ps. 2:7 (NASB)

As you have indicated, this Old Testament passage is quoted in Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5.
The Hebrew for "begotten" is YALAD and the lexical meaning is "to bear, beget, or bring forth." The three New Testament passages help us understand how it should be understood in Psalm 2. For example, in Acts 13:30-34 we read,
But God raised Him from the dead; and for many days He appeared to those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, the very ones who are now His witnesses to the people. And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, "YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"“ As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: "I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID."

Here we discover that Psalm 2:7 was a prophecy that Jesus would return to life. That is, He would be resurrected. He was "begotten" or was "brought forth" (notice that is an acceptable meaning of the Hebrew word) from the grave. The root Greek word is GINOMAI and the tense of the word used here is a perfect active meaning that it is completed action in the past and had continuing effect to the time Acts 13:33 was written. That is, Jesus' resurrection was so certain that it was spoken of as already having occurred. Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5 do not provide the explanation of Psalm 2:7 that is given in Acts 13:33 but merely quote Psalm 2:7. Only Acts 13:33 provides the explanation. Also note that GINOMAI is translated as "begotten" only four times in the New Testament: Acts 13:33; Philemon 10, Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5. So there are two key Greek words that are sometimes translated as "begotten" in the New Testament. This can be confusing, and it is a cause of error for many like @BETATRON. And lastly pleeeeaasee kindly do a research on JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD AND JESUS AS THE SON OF MAN and I can bet u won't bother christians with verses you don't understand anymore.

see what I mean? @mamsong9
Can you tell me what he is saying this looks to me like speaking in tongues

mamsong9:
Then why did bible said "for God love the world so He gave His only son... blah blah blah "

Christians you are the best liars.

my brother just fold your hands and see the kind of replies they will give.laughing in advance

plappville:
Go back to this trend and finish ur argument there..

hehe..what's the topic of the trend?

By the way is that an escape technique?

plappville:
I dont have time to listen to ur lies. You muslims have been brainwashed right from birth. Allah creates, Jesus creates too. Only a creator can create. No matter how you try to twist it. Muhammad (stress be upon him) has failed. The so-called verses you are talking about has been qouted in previous comments. You have failed to reply it. Either here or in @truthman2012's tread. You have nothing to point out there. You muslims say the bible is corrupted. When u have problems in the wuran, you run to the bible for help. You will not get it. There are scriptures about Muhammad in the bible but all negative about him. So dont be decieved! !

clap for your self

Medicis:
See another dumbass islamist who thinks God had sex with mary to produce Jesus. When you say someone is the Son of the Nile, does it mean the Nile gave birth to him??

hehe...you think calling jesus son of God means he was begotten by God?

Then you haven't come across these verses

For I am the father to israel and EPhRIAM IS MY FIRST BORN--jeremiah31:9

---i am ascending to my father and YOUR FAThER my GOD and YOuR GOD--john20:17

---THOu(david) art MY son,this day I have BEGOTTEN Thee--psalms2:7


---the son of enos,the son of seth,the son of Adam,the SON OF GOD---luke3:38

----He(solomon) shall be my son,and I will be his FATHER and I will.......-------1chron22:11

Now that you have seen these verses please explain them ONE BY ONE

plappville:
Shameless slave of the Arabian god. What answer do u want? Your god said Jesus gave life. Only God should have this attribute. There is nothing like God giving his attributes to Moses or Jesus etc. God is God. Some things are attributed only for Him. If Ur own book said jesus gave life and at thesame time says jesus is a mere prophet like others. Why not Allah gave the other prophets this same power to creat a life? You should be ashamed of Allah. He failed. Jesus is exactly what the bible says He is. Muhammad find himself in so much errors because he did copy and rewrite. God save your generation from slavery. Islam is fabricated.

the problem with you is you have a barren understand of the concept of GOD

Since your pastors didn't do the work lemme help them out
---God is All powerful, ALL mighty and doesn't take permission from any Body to Do any Thing-----

Here the Quranic verse you were jubilation about clearly states that

----JESus was only able to create BY ThE PERMISSION OF ALLAH--------

Wow,,wow,,wow what a great god jesus is for requiring permission from another before doing something-----------

----finally you failed to reply me as regards to the two biblical verses john17:3 and john20:17------you think say I forget?

Kindly remember to include their explanations as you reply

plappville:
The Qur'an failed. Only Allah can do it. But Jesus did it. Meaning Jesus is Allah. By the way, have you answered who raped those Muslim WOMEN? U want answers and u be gotten them... Allah is false. Contradicting himself..

hehe...common you both morally and intellectually unsound dearie

Please go boast your morals and intellect

If you are so sure of what you are saying why is it so hard for you to answer the simple Question

By WHOM's LEAVE DID jeses create in ONE WORD

Which is evident from the verse you quoted

Until you can answer this in one word don't say anything else please

You don't have to tryna lie to prove a point,,its so despicable for a woman to do

[quote author=plappville post=40613227][/quote]LOL if you teacher asked that in one word tell us by whom's leave jesus revived the dead...will this be your response? SMH vigorously

plappville:


[b]"Is then he who creates [/b]like one that creates
not?" (Surah 16:17)

Who's the bold and who's the italic?

The Qur'an restricted the ability to create to Allah only.
If you are talkiing about who's leave..why didn't Muhammad does thesame by Allah's leave?

simple question by whom leave just reply in one word

chiedu7:
Now Jesus being born of a virgin, so no man can call Him his son, died , rose again and is coming back.

Mohammed is dead and buried. The man don rot finish.

Please compare that. Did mahatma gandhi,albert Einstein,, nikolas tesla and many more rise from the dead?

Lets forget the miracles Jesus performed and is STILL performing.

You surely don't know the bible nor the God of the bible.
If you did you'll know that Satan was cast out of heaven.

Revelation 12 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and[b] Satan[/b], which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Meanwhile Jesus sits on the right hand of God, now compare Jesus on right hand of God and Satan cast out.

Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Sorry BETATRON, dunno if ur a moslem or atheist. Nevertheless go find Jesus.

see the peak of dumbness

Son jesus hard a mother and you call him great now adam had no mother nor father what do you call him?

He came to die for our sins? Yeah the adamic sins how logical and sensible is the assertion that a newly born baby who cannot differentiate God from bad is a sinner

If he came to die for our sins how come we are still suffering why didn't he just kill satan and end the shit

Keep the verses to your self and speak with logic let see how logical you sound

Finally I will like to add this question if jesus is the son of God how come he is equal to His father and if He is equal to his father how come he was SENT by the father(Himself) to sacrifice HIMSELF for HiMSELF

Rilwayne001:
Dumbo, John said it not Jesus..

aluwa go bless you my brother......even me fit talk am..hehehe..

I wonder the kind head people carry around these days

mamsong9:
I love this.
They have no sense.

lol..and he went a little further to call it COMMON SENSE...as I read the succeeding post I knew that COmmon sense ain't common

chiedu7:
I dont hate muslims, I love them and want them to know the truth.

M0HAMMED that moslems follow is DEAD & BURIED
JE.SUS Christians follow is ALIVE AND COMING BACK.

it's common sense that the living is better than the dead.

If M0HAMMED is so great how come he is DEAD and JE.SUS ALIVE!

So I want moslems to follow the Living King Jesus.

lol...see logic abeg...now death is a sign of smallness and life is a sign of greatness

How come you aint greater than mahatma gandhi,albert Einstein,, nikolas tesla and many more

Will you say your church nun is greater than mary because mary is dead and she is alife?

Satan has never tasted death but the bible said jesus died for 3days now will you say satan is greater than jesus because satan never tasted death?

mamsong9:
Don't listen to them, even when they quote bible they skip some verse, talk less of Quran. They want to make everybody believe their man god by force.

hehehe.He tire me oh...I wonder How TRYING to prove another persons religion wrong makes theirs right

truthman2012:
The quran is not credible. For every verse, there is the contradictory verse. If it says an act is good in a verse, it would say it is bad in another. So if someone accuses the quran of saying an act is bad, muslims would quickly say no and quote the contradictory verse that says it is good. Muslims defend the quran with its contradictions and that is exactly what you are doing.

that's because you're ignorant and bent on disproving the Koran.

Cause if you're not ignorant you will understand does verses clearly

And if you are not bent on disproving the koran you wouldn't quote surahs like 2vs193 and turn a blind eye to 190 or surah 47vs3nd4 and run away from vs1

Well all your efforts has gone to waste try harder next time

This is my last reply to you on this trend so don't bother quoting

Make I book space

adullam210:
What is d real purpose(s) of imposing jizah on non-muslims only?

as this non-muslims on whom jizya are imposed stayed in the muslim land PERMANENTLY it is a fee for the protection of the Non-muslims by the muslim government and it is worthy to note that non muslims who are only residing in the muslim lands temporarily don't pay jizya

plappville:
You have refused to read the article to understand my point. See it again:

[b]

1) The ability to create:
The Qur'an says,
"That is Allah, your Lord! There is no god but
He, the Creator of all things" (Surah 6:102)
"For verily it is thy Lord who is the All-
Creator, knowing all things" (Surah 15:86)
"Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call,
cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met
together for the purpose" (Surah 22:73)
"Those whom they invoke besides Allah
create nothing and are themselves
created" (Surah 16:20)
"Is then he who creates like one that creates
not?" (Surah 16:17)
These are but some of the verses that restrict
the ability to create to God only. When God
wanted to distinguish Himself from other
gods, He highlighted this attribute of His that
surpassed all other gods. Meanwhile, the
Qur'an clearly admits that Christ created
things:
"I make for you out of clay, as it were, the
figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it
becomes a bird by Allah's leave" (Surah 3:49)
"Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the
figure of a bird, by my leave, and thou
breathest into it, and it becometh a bird by my
leave" (Surah 5:110)[/b]

"Is then he who creates(allah) like one that creates
not?" (Isa) (Surah 16:17) allah is not like isa because the quran says allah created isa. Yet isa did only what allah could do.

by whose LEAVE did he create?

truthman2012:
Lies !

HARD against disbelievers but MERCIFUL to themselves. The opposite of MERCIFUL is the HARD (i.e MERCILESS). Simple English statement.

Be not unqually yoked with unbelievers is not to be WICKED against them but not do what they are doing. Simple.

lol...I have made my point

The koran clearly state---DO not LEt EVEN HATRED for a people lead you towards commiting injustice--quran5vs8

To clarify more on the verse read the exegesis of the verse and see for your self

Have a nice night

plappville:
Read what? Not getting you .



Allah said no one can do such except allah. If Jesus did what only allah can do then Muhammad just confirm Jesus is allah..cant you see..

see how gross and unmitigated your inability to reason logically is

He was given the permission to give life by God---if he wasn't what power will he have to give life for himself
That's why 3vs49-clearly state and I will give life by ALLAH's permission...

Not by his own power...it pays to reason logically


By the way you didn't clarify j17:3---this is life eternal that they know you the ONLY TRUE and jesus christ whom you SENT

-----as you do include-----j20:17----I am going to my father and YOuR FATHER, MY GOD and YOUR GOD

truthman2012:
You skipped Quran-47;34--
indeed those Who are faithless
and BAR(prevent people) from
the way of Allah and then die in
this manner Allah will never
forgive them

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary
and faint-hearted, crying for
PEACE, when ye should be
uppermost.

Allah said they should not
seek peace but instead
continue warring.

allahh said those infidels who DIED have no forgiveness in 47:34 and muslims should not look for PEACE for those alive in 47:35.

Is that not what I have been saying then? That means muslims are enjoined to make war with the infidels and not make PEACE with them.

Now, explain this verse:

[Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah. And those
with him are HARD against the
disbelievers and merciful among
themselves.....

surah48vs29----by being HARD,FIRM,STRICT with DISBELIEVERS it means----They are not such that the
disbelievers may mold them as they like. They can
neither be cowed nor purchased by any inducement.
The disbelievers have no power to turn them away
from the great objective for the sake of which they
have joined and followed the Prophet (peace be upon
him) even at the cost of their lives.

Every religion is adviced to do thesame as regard DISBELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVE---II corinthians6vs14---Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For
what do righteousness and wickedness have in
common? Or what fellowship can light have with
darkness?