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plappville:
Since thesame quran said it is only allah that can give live and later says Jesus gave life, then allah is telling us that Jesus is God. I have never used tbis word before. I am using it to explain the grave error of allah here. The J 17:3 is talking about Jesus and God. What about that?

I will revive the dead by ALLAH's permission-3vs49 now read clearly and explain your point

---see what jesus called himself---j17:3-this is eternal life that they may know YOU the ONLY TRUE GOD and jesus whom YOU SENT(messenger)

virginboy1:
Both phenomenon, Love and Fear of losing His Grace, thanks for the enlightenment.

right..fear to displease HIM due to love for Him

proo212:
I think the poster just wanted to take a part of the verse and discard the rest of it, to prove his assertions which obviously backfires against him.

John 17:1-5 New King James Version


Let's exegete the verses. This same passage that BETRATRON is trying to use to pick out that there's only one TRUE GOD, backfires because that one TRUE GOD has a SON. That same ONE TRUE GOD gave His Son authority over all flesh (including Mohammed) and will give eternal life to as many as would believe Him.

It actually answers a few questions. God is the FATHER! JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON! JESUS CHRIST said HE IS THE SON OF GOD

This ONE TRUE GOD is glorifying/will continue to glorify His Son who existed before the world was.

good sir but the phrase proclaiming jesus as the son of God is taken literally if not so how do you explain
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not
yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my
brothers and tell them, 'I am ASCENDING to my
Father and YOUR FATHER, to my God and YOUR GOD'"---john20:17

Here jesus clearly shows that the phrase "son" is all encompassing and not just for HiM

---the john1-5:17 brings with them a lot of question but I wouldn't like to derail the trend

truthman2012:
Did you read the link? If you did it means you are not sincere to yourself.

You mean islamic Universities are so corrupt and do sell certificates to people?

Read the testimony of ISIL leader's mate in the University of Baghdad as in the link and you will know he didn't buy his certificate.

If Ph.D holder is talking islam, you should keep silent and listen.

Those verses of peace you quoted had been abrogated and replaced with:

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for PEACE, when ye should be uppermost.

Allah said they should not seek peace but instead continue warring.

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

Look at Muhammad's fulfillment of those verses in use now:

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and KILL those who disbelieve in Allah."

Do you see where FIGHT is equal to WAR and not STRUGGLE?

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

That is islamic terrorism for you.

Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

The list is long but get do with that for now.

again you commit the same mistakes

You skipped Quran-47;34--indeed those Who are faithless and BAR(prevent people) from the way of Allah and then die in this manner Allah will never forgive them

Same crime you committed with the second verse

You skipped Quran9vs13--will you not Fight the PEOPLE WHO BROKE THEIR PLEDGES and RESOLVED TO EXPEL THE APOSTLE and OPENED(hostilities) against then INITIALLY?

Already expelled QURAN3vs151--its of the terror of the hereafter for non believers,wrongdoers and faithless---what objection do you have against this??

Quran8vs59-60--explains itself---but verse56 makes it clearer------THOSE wtih whom you made a TREATY(of peace),and who VIOLATED their treaty EVERY TIME and WHO and Not GODweary----

Verse61 goes further to clarify---and if they INCLINE towards peace,then you(too) incline toward it and put your Trust in God

---how come you got to verse3and 4 of surah47 without passing through Verse1

Quran47vs1--those who are(themselves) FAITHLESS and BAR(prevent,,prosecute e.t.c) from the way of Allah---He has made their works go awry

And then you deem it truthful to skip a part of verse4 because it does not suit your objectives right

THE PARt YOU SKIPPED
----thereafter either oblige them(by setting them free) or take ransom till the war lays down it burdens

truthman2012:
Then you don't discuss Jesus being God or not here.

hmm....ok then

truthman2012:
Islamists' reasoning is low. You want to make a point, instead of making it, you would give your own assignment to someone else. Smh !

Again, what has John 17:3 got to do with the topic of the thread?

am not referring to the trend but to her statement bro

plappville:
The main antichrist is Islam. See what the apostle John said. He states that there are many antichtist during the time of the apostles. but that tne Main antichrist will come at the last days. Islam fits in.

“Children it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.”
(John continues in verse 22), “Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son.”

if islam is antichrist why as it mentioned christ and showered him with good qualities in the koran??

adullam210:
is d jizah the normal tax, do Muslims also pay it?

fine question brother..the jizya applies to non muslims staying muslim land permanently and the poor,women,widom and other unprivileged non-muslims are exempted from it

And this jizya is fixed and is used as a compensation or donation for the poor and unprivileged non-muslims alike...so this non-muslim who a obligated to pay jizya are seen as part or citizens of the country and should contribute In the welfare of the land

As for muslims they are obligated to pay zakat which is about 2.5% of your annual earnings or more depending on generosity

truthman2012:
Look at the way you reason. Am I to quote quran for you to make your point?

A substitute does not necessarily mean a thing of its kind, it could be a total change. There is no reference to the the substitute referring to alcohol in the quran.

If a footballer is substituted, does he play again in the match? It shows those peaceful verses allahh substituted is no more in use in islam.

By the way, do you know the leader of ISIL has Ph.D in islamic studies? He knows islam far better than you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

with money you can get a certificate in whatever field in other words certificates can be forged

About the gradual prohibition of alcohol that is subject for another day

Since you are unable to quote quran2vs190 and 8vs36 lemme save you the misery

QURAN2vs190--fight in the way of Allah those WHO FiGHT YOU and DO NOT BE TRANSGRESSOR for Allah HATES THE TRANGRESSOR---with this any body with some sense will understand succeeding verses not cutting the verse and making false claims

QURAN3VS36--indeed the FAITHLESS SPEND their WEALTh to BAR(prevent you) FRom the way of ALlah---continues----

This alone is enough to explain the Quran8vs39--fight them until FitNAL(trail,tribulations,prosecution---every method deviced to bar the muslim from the way of God) iS NO MORE

plappville:
Allah has said it Jesus gave life. He created so what else do muslims want? Thesame Jesus allah called a mere prophet? honestly. ..the quran should be burned. Crazy book...

read john17:3 and see what jesus said after reading please quote it

I have questions for you with regards to that verse

[quote author=adullam210 post=40575735][/quote]it is the duty of every patriot regardless of whichever land he is in to pay tax,if not so western nation won't be charging people for tax evasion

truthman2012:
You either lack knowledge or you are lying. How does something substituted mean clarification?

If something is substituted for another one, it means the substitute takes over and the substituted is no more in use. In fact, am getting bore of the way you are reasoning.

my brother,,take for example the commandments for the prohibition of alcoholism
--the verses were sent down gradually but all based on the single fact that alcoholism is prohibited..

Substituting-means replacing something with another thing of the same kind but maybe better in quality like changing a football player for another you can't change a football player for a basketballer can you?

Changing something with another of a different kind is abolishing not substituting

Here we are talking of "clarification" so quote 2vs190 and 8vs36 and see what clarity means

Or are you afraid??

Maybe you should see the lies in the death of jesus

Who moved the stone?reloaded by mamsong9

just check out the thriller(in michael jacksons words)

truthman2012:
Those verses are just few of the many contradictions in the quran. allahh was just substituting his revelations with contradicting ones. He was inconsistent to deceive the muslims:

Quran 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing.

What was wrong with the ones he was replacing? Did he make mistakes.

So allahh had replaced the peaceful verses with the violent ones and that was why TRUE muslims are violent.

lol. ..this verse you quoted simple means sending another verse to elaborate on another...that is why I told you that one verse of the koran clarifies another..you cannot take just one verse and draw conclusions

Doing that will mean injustice and illiteracy of the art of reading and an adult like you shouldn't be charged will illiteracy of the art of reading

That's why I ask you to quote 2vs190 and 8vs36 as they clarify 2vs193 and 8vs39 respectively

Annunaki:
How was it clarified Even quoting the preceding verses provided more evidence that they are terror inspiring verses.

please quote 2:190 naw do you guys have any problem quoting 2;190 and 8:36?

truthman2012:
Since all souls MUST die, why did Jesus escape death in islam?

Quran 21:35 : Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with
evil and with good, for ordeal.
And unto Us ye will be returned.

The quran says every soul MUST die. All prophets including allahh's greatest prophet, Muhammad died also. Many of them died disgracefully.

In islam only Jesus was not allowed to die but taken to heaven alive, why?

Muslims also believe Jesus will come back again to marry, bear children and die. Since he was destined to do all these, why was he deprived of them and taken to heaven abruptly only to come back for them much later?

Who was allahh afraid of by taking Jesus straight to heaven to escape death instead of dealing with his enemies?

jesus(a) didn't ESCAPE death in the koran he went into occultation and will be SENT(messenger) to defeat the dajjal one whom christians refer to as antichrist and afterwards he will die

Come to think of it where is it stated in the koran that He will EXCAPE death...the verse you quoted clearly states that every soul will taste death inculding satan

Now see satan isn't death yet hence does that make him God,, even in the bible christ died for 3 days and satan has never tasted death so using the dumb ideology of yours should we consider satan as better than christ

truthman2012:
You asked for confirmation of the quran and I gave you, should that be difficult to understand?

If you are destined to be saved and you are delivered from islamic jinns inside of you, you will understand.

allahh revealed violent verses and Muhammad carried them out as contained in the hadiths. That should be easy for anyone to understand if not under negative spiritual influence. Smh !

my brother please quote koran2:190 then read 2:193

Also quote 8;36 and the read 8:39

Then explain what you understand

virginboy1:
Fear of God made me remain a Virgin.

LoVE Of God would have been a better reason

truthman2012:
Lol !

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."


Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be SAFE. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Now look at the quranic confirmations:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) AND THE RELIGION (WORSHIP) WILL BE FOR ALLAH ALONE [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Can you see your LIES now? Your brother boykas who advised you to run away has seen that your defence doesn't hold water.

you are dancing around the sames verse...a already clarified 2:193--from 2:190
And 8:39 from 8:36
LOL funny dude

boykas:
Honestly I don't have u should be answering this falseman2012 poo question, have stoped reading his post few weeks ago,cuz what he does is fraMe some lies against once religion and stop at a point when he has nothing to say again, if not that Allah warns the believers never to hate your fellow human being, I would have hate him long ago

true talk brother

truthman2012:
Who wrote those hadiths, Christians?

I quoted two different hadith authors to dispel your above lame excuse. Are the two men lying and you are right?

How did those hadiths find their ways into islamic records?

Quran says obey allahh and his messenger. Where do you find Muhammad's words to be obeyed if not hadiths? Therefore, your excuse is barren.

lol...we only accept a statement as that of prophet mohammad when it is in conformity with the koran

So if it doesn't conform with the koran we don't accept it as the word of the prophet

Cause the prophet is a walking KORAN

Horlufemi:
Quote bible please. You are quoting quran.

that is why I told you that I am not a xtrain

Horlufemi:
You haven't told me what will happen to those who haven't heard of Jesus

ok here is it---if they haven't and heard no means what so ever to have heard him then they will be judged as regards what they have heard of
---we do not punish a people until we have sent them a warner

But if they heard the slightest opportunity to hear about him but missed this opportunity then ignorance won't be an excuse

Btw am not a christian

truthman2012:
What do these mean in relation to your explanation:

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."

Who first attacked Muhammad there?

So fighting people to force islam on them is islamic peace?

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be SAFE. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Who first attacked who?

My friend, stop lying.

for the third time the KORAN is the guide for checking the correctness of other books...so when you want to disprove the koran use the Koran

hayzed1090:
One great thing is that no matter how hard you try, Islam will continue to grow and we muslims will not look for a new testament QURAN cos we dnt need to revise the word of God. The way you decide to interpret is your problem.

Now back to ur sentimental and illogical claims... you think fight according to the Quran is only when you cut off someone's head or wen you throw bomb at a disbeliever? For your information, NO. As a matter of fact, wat am doing now is fighting for my religion.. my retaliation is in accordance with your attack. If you have tried to attack me with cutlass cos am a muslim, it will be very stupid of me to fight back by texting you... and do you know wat your bible said abt the unbelievers ? I bet you don't

hehe new testament KORaN..never

Nice one my brother

truthman2012:
Don't hide under abuses like your fellow islamists. Explain how going forth with heavy-arm and light-arm means peace.

my brother I already used quran2vs190 to clarify it pls check the post you quoted

plappville:
What have you to say about the rapers of this women?

And about the article that has clearly exposed Muhammads falsehood? Jesus gave life to a bird in the quran. Yet Jesus is just a mere prophet... you better save your soul or else you rot in hell like Muhammad.

lol the koran testifies this truth indeed that jesus gave life to a bird

About being a God---pls read john17:3 and explain

truthman2012:
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth,
light-armed and heavy-
armed......

What are the heavy-arm and light-arm for? Peace? I am amazed at your interpretations.

my brother you inability to comprehend is mind blowing...wow!!! Are humans still this dumb??

truthman2012:
Trash !

https://www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

expected as usual...beaten to pulp now runs to open another trend

Well me want to eat eba first.

plappville:
trash! !! Muhammad called you names you should solve your problem with him.

is that all you've got to say?

Horlufemi:
Please what is the fate of the Asian before the coming of Christ. They will burn in hell? Yeah right. If that happens God is not worth it.

What will happen to someone in this era who has never hear about Christ.

Let us reason.

U also fail to talk about the great resurrection .

Or u are trying to tell me people who are dead are burning in hell fire right now.

Please educate me.

all what you stated doesn't nullify the existence of hell

One is does who exist before jesus will be judge with the laws they where given.,,so the bad and good people will also get retribution for their act

Does won't don't know or understand jesus and hence don't follow him will be judged by that in which they understand---as the saying goes "we don't punish a people until we have sent a warner"

mubarakopeyemi:
never mind those mofos jare
ignore them

walahi ..the problem is it seems useless tryna explain this things to them..they already had their heads padlocked and their minds fixed on their personal understandings( the result of hasty conclusions)

Maybe the product of hatred or the result of not being used to rigorous academics of religious stuffs,,hence the keep on sailing in a boat made of clay(with the illusion that it will take them offshore) and sees anybody who wants to save them from this quagmire as being devoid of understanding

Titanic is their case