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4llerbuntu:
i think its unfortunate too.

if canonical actually did pay attention to kubuntu, it would have been awesome. considering that a community effort got it this far is stunning.!!
now if they go into unity, what then becomes of the gnome project and kubuntu? 1 less distro using them, and a major one at that!!

lets wait and see sha, for me, i'd really like to see how far Gnome project can take it

I don't think the gnome desktop would miss Ubuntu in terms of code contributions and development. Ubuntu contributes very very little back to gnome anyway as most of the improvements made to gnome for Ubuntu are not sent upstream. The main champion of the gnome desktop in term of developement has been redhat,Novel, google. even nokia and collabora contribute more to gnome than canonical does. I personally think this move by canonical would end up being their undoing. Ever since Mark Shuttleworth left management position at canonical to become a defacto head of the design team for Ubuntu. Things have turned for the worse IMHO Ubuntu started to take decisions without consulting the community. and also not doing much to work with upstream. Rather NIH seems to be the order. Going Unity rather than have people work to bring gnome shell to life just confirms this selfish attitude from canonical. In the end I see it burning them in the hand and see them coming back to the gnome fold maybe when gnome 3 wuld have gotten its act together.

4llerbuntu:
also the polish bit, well. . . . . . am of too minds about that. i do think KDE looks really glitzy and classy, BUT. i find it very plain and monochromatic!!!
i believe that you are soo used to it, tweaking and pimping it comes naturally. for me it looked like a great big slab of white with funny buttons!!

and i found the menu tedious to use. its just like windows menu, too many sublevels. on gnome max 2 clicks on the menu will open my app for me, on KDE i was trying to figure out the next step and constantly trying to remember under which section what i was looking for was in!
i did'nt like the menu buttons etc. i know that is readily remediable. sorta like default gnome always looks hideous and all that but a few tweaks and its reborn!

One of the biggest criticism of kde is that its is very cluttered and full of menu. too much choices and preferences and settings can confuse/overwhelm a user. While this is mostly true. One also has to know that the idea of making options available to the user and allowing him to decide and make the system his own than limiting the options available and instead choosing sane defaults. The very foundation of kde is to make options available to users. it is the very reason many power users prefer kde because it does not hide options. However even though it does take some efforts a user can make his kde as clean and buttonless as he wants. for me kde is the best of both worlds it allows the user to make his app have as many button as possible or even no button at all. The default though exposes the options allowing the user to hide them if he so wishes. take a look at some of the apps I use everyday on kde and tell me they are clustered.

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KDE network manager was really really kool!!!, but sometimes confused me as to what the status of my connection was (i was using dial-up)

Microblogging killed it, there is no app anywhere else in the world that is better than that one in KDE period!!!

i had issues with functionality. that thing does not fly well with Modems and IP's and whatnot. it worked, but it took quite a bit of patience and trying to figure out wassup!!

Network manager is one of the grey areas of kde. The kde frontend to network manager is still under heavy development and is yet to see a stable release yet. what many distribution ship with are development snapshots. Currently there is no automated way to handle mobile connectivity but there are work in Solid (the hardware abstraction layer for kde) to bring mobile support there. for now u can always use gnome network manager without any issues.

Kpackagekit is a big disgrace. totally confusing and from someone who uses synaptic, that is not a good testimony. i think it should be entirely redesigned, or else they just adopt the software center type of thing for it. im not that wet behind the ears for ubuntu/linux, but i found it impossible to install synaptic and some other stuff. it was pretty much hit and miss. some stuff installed, some refused!!!

Kpackagekit was a pain to use on kubuntu 10.04 but as of 10.10 a new UI frontend has been written for it which makes it much more usable and imho even better and more stable compared to what I say in software center which is an ubuntu specific app. one of my beef with canonical is heavy NIH (Not Invented Here) going on in the company. rather than work with the general community to help make packagekit better for all there choose to work on their own software center which only benefits Ubuntu. Kubuntu uses the general kpackagekit which is same u find on fedora many other kde distros. Its not there yet but its a huge improvements.

i dont really like Amarok and the other default apps, like that browser. immediately tried to get chromium, was going round in circles!!!

I have a love and hate relationship with amarok too. but by and large it is still my music player of choice. It too is undergoing lots of development
. when am not using it I am using clementine which is also a good alternative to amarok. it is a fork of amarok 1.4

BOTTOMLINE IS, i think for KDE, you either fall in love outrightly, or just generally avoid it. MY issues i clearly see are caused by the fact that i am very very used to Gnome, and simply like it for its ugliness and simplicity.
i dont have a thing against KDE per se, i have used numerous other inferior desktop enviroments without complaints, XFCE, FLUXBOX, ICEWM, JVM but i dunno.

i feel the KDE thing i would have to take my time to learn and get used to the feel. it does look more polished than gnome, but i believe thats on the surface. scratch that and you may end up being properly confused as to what is there except you are a seasoned user. i sure would have issues putting a noob on Kubuntu!!!

Like many things kde does take time to get used to. but once u are use to it. Its hard to leave. you would always feel out of place else where. like gnome it is not for everyone and has its own user base who swear by kde. just as gnome has it's. In the end its all down to choice. Its a good thing we have that in this part of the digital divide.

anyway, this is about to become moot anyway. Canonical seem to have taken the copying apple criticisms to heart and are bent on going anywhere than mainstream now!! this new fangled idea of adopting the Unity desktop/QT integration seems pretty confusing to me. i dont think i like the unity interface for my pc (from what iv seen). which oddly seems to mean that they are ditching GNOME 3!!!!!

people always mix Qt with kde. although kde is based on Qt. it is really different from Qt and has it's own set of libraries. there are tons of apps which are Qt app but not kde apps (looking at virtualbox, skype, vlc) just as we have many gtk app which are not gnome apps (pidgin, ok I can only remember pidgin)
despite the complaints, i would take Gnome 3 with compiz anyday instead of this Unity thingy!! hmmn i dunno o.

To balance things out. I have to say that although I do not personally use gnome. I have to say in term of stability its well known being just about the same desktop since 2005 and what we have now is a cumulation of updates which hads little features here and there. also in term of ease of use, especially for new users I would always recommend gnome. even at work where I have to setup linux for our staffs systems gnome is the supported platform due to the long term stability and ease of use. Kde can be quite overwhelming for new users. and kubuntu lacks the final touch and polish which Ubuntu gave to gnome. Kubuntu is just raw kde with little distro modification (which is good for me) with only one canonical dev working on Kubuntu the bulk of development work is handled by the community and decision making is community based so we dont get the situation where canonical decide the direction of the project. I just felt I should add this information to balance things out. Kde is awesome but it is also a work in progress and many part of it are still been put together. I would not recommend it to a new user. But for more experience linux users like me I find it just the perfect setup

With all the talk of Ubuntu and gnome being awesome and stuff. I decided to give Ubuntu 10.10 a go on my laptop after all I was a gnomeie for almost 2 years before I switched to kde. I wanted to see what has changed and have a feel of much talked about Canonical's polish of gnome. While I have to admit Ubuntu has done a good job with gnome. I had some reservations with Maverick and gnome generally. The first thing That stroke me was the look and feel which is dated compared to what I am used to on kde. gtk generally could do with some facelift compared to Qt4 which looks elegant from the start gtkjust don't cut it for me. I tried some of the best themes all the elements and ambiance of this world but that didn't help much. I spend 80% of my day time staring at a pc monitor so what I look at has to be appealing to the eye. just my IMHO.

The next issue I had with it was the pim suite. Evolution has gone a long way especially the 2.3 version which now supports IMAP IDLE (Push email) and the google mail support is not bad at all. But it still lacked the integration u get with kontact on kde. Kontact is simply awesome and its would be very hard to beat. The whole fusion of kaddressbook, korganiser and kmail all working like glue is hard to beat and is the first thing a kde user would miss about evolution.I could not figure out how to pull my contacts from google contacts and get setup a two way sync with google for my contacts (which also have birthdays details attached to them.) I was unable to get this to work with gnome. although I was impressed with the way evolution calendar is integrated with the time applet by displaying appointments and if u double click on a date it opens a calendar field for that date.

One major drip I had with gnome has been the share amount of 3rd party app I had to install to get a desktop of my choice.  with kde almost everything I needed were available for me ootb.  I had to install gnome-do, docky, ubuntu tweak, gwibber sucks for Microbloging and could not find a decent native gtk client for that.  No easy way to manage connected devices (Kde had this awesome tool called device manager) and worse of all no decent widget system (screenlet's development halted 2 years ago when the lead dev went awol)  add the fact that I had to contend with the sound indicator which was a pain in the behind and just but ugly.

of all this though the thing I missed the most from kde was nepomuk and semantic searching and tagging. ON kde I could always add tags and notes to my files . I could add tags to important work documents for easy search later. and the searching on kde is killer completely blows tracker and its implementation on gnome out of the water. I just need to type the name of a document (or a text of what is contained in it) and it would show up in the result. I hadly ever have to dig into my folders to look for stuff anymore. for me this feature is a must. the way it is implemented in gnome is painful and requires many clicks and even then slow with inaccurate results.

add the ability to setup different destkop activities for work home and play and switch to which desktop I want to be on.
simple things like using klauncher for calculations by just typing in my additions.
Dolphin filemanager which is lighter and much more powerful than  nautilus.
gwenview which gives me the ability to view pictures / and videos and also upload them to (or import from)  flickr,facebook,picassa,etc all by a matter of rightclicks.
Choqok is by far (and I mean by a very far margin) the best Microblogging client on Linux. in term of stability and features nothing even comes close.
folder view allows me to have a container for managing my desktop ( or any folder) rather than having files scattered all over my desktop.
and very powerful widget system with tons of useful widgets all integrated and built into the desktop shell
KDE is also very internet aware and anything like themes,icons,plasma widget, wallpapers, emoticons, many other customization contents can be downloaded online without even entering a browser. just right click and get new themes and it fetches a list of themes from kde-look.org.


I can go on and on. But in the end I had to go back to kde. Gnome was just too limiting for my use case. KDE raised the bar with an elegant, yet powerful Desktop.

4llerbuntu:
pls id like to disgrace myself a bit! (note, I BITE, HARD!!! )

i want to convert my desktop into a gaming/Media rig for my sitting room and dump it under the tv permanently.

now my question is this, i use XBMC, i like it, i often find that its said to support a lot of remote controllers. how does that work? my desktop does not have any such thing as a remote control etc.

does that mean i need some separate box or device to use a remote with XBMC?

I have been thinking along this line myself. Linux has plenty of media center solutions but it seems most of them work with setup boxes like your dstv decoders. something like mythtv for example interfaces between your decoder and your tv and could help in recording programs, skipping ads etc. we also have some internet centric solutions like boxee which (is very slick) but are meant to aggregate all your web content and make them viewable from the Tv. This is really not ideal for Nigeria for reasons we all know. One thing you could do is install something like boxee and run it offline it has a very slick UI (I think based on XBMC?) Movida (formerly elisa) is also a good option u might want to consider. google it

4llerbuntu:
hmmn well from what the canonical dude was saying, i guess they are looking at QT, without the baggage, (all the talk about simplicity)

anyway, it wont be a bad idea, as long as its native and is fast!


anyways, anyone with background knowhow on how to set up a UPS with Ubuntu?
i got an APC, its old but it does its job well, as long as i change the batteries.

i found some packages for ubuntu/APC and installed them but as far as i know i could as well be deceiving myself. am presently consulting google, but some of the stuff i see am not encouraged to try. i dont like messing with important stuff like power management when im not sure the proffered solution will work, or not break my system.


any pointers?

for one, the ups simply uses a power cable to get to my pc, im seeing stuff like usb connections stuff online, sorry how do these stuff work?

Your usp must be the smart ups range. we use them to power the servers where i work and we run them with apc daemon package which is available in the repository. basically it allows us to have a fully automated server in relation to backup. we were able to configure the ups to shut down the servers when power is out and the ups backup capacity is at 10% and to start the servers once power is restored. I would dig through some of the docs I used and get back to u

@4llerbuntu your "assessment" of kde can not be so wrong. first of it is never advisable to install kde and gnome side by side the latter install always suffers. This is due to the fact that both kde and gnome use very different underlying technologies which might lead to conflict. from network manager (different UIs) to sound architecture (pulseaudio + gstreamer vs xine pulseaudio-phonon) etc even in term of libraries the difference is even wider. If gnome works for you stick to it. Kde is not for everyone neither is gnome. stop spreading fud about things you know very little about when u do that you just go around spreading untruth which others would take as fact. I don't want to be drawn into the kde vs gnome argument. I used gnome for close to 2 years before finally settling down to kde. that speaks for its self. It is very wrong and almost insulting to conclude that people using kde are after the blings and just that cus again you have no clue on what makes kde thick and u are not ready to learn. Just use your gnome which as always worked for u and be happy.

Evil Brain:
Gaddem!!!

That is too sexy. Is that the default theme or did you have to love-vendor it? It makes gnome look like a 30 yr old molue.

Should have downloaded kubuntu instead. Ooooh

everything is vanilla beside the icon theme. and the wallpaper which is part of the community wallpaper for Ubuntu. KDE coming from gnome does take getting use to though, for once its not it does not get the attention that gnome ubuntu gets in terms of extra polish and stuff so most stuff there are just vanila kde no software center, no ubuntuone or any of those addons canonical added to gnome. Even then its a very good desktop for those who want power and control

I have been running the RC version of Kubuntu 10.10 which I easily upgraded to 10.10 final release. so far its been one of the best Kubuntu ever. It ships the awesome kde 4.5 and comes with lots of improvements here and there. Overall I am very very happy with this release which packs, power, sexiness, beauty, stability and functionality which we have all come to know of kde.
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misaac:
hi all, im fed up with network manager. please can you suggest an alternative tool for managing my network cards. i've got 3 on my system and i use all of them.

have u tried wicd? its the only viable alternative to network manager that I know of. It lacks the bell and whistle features of nm like mobile 3g card support and wireless sharing, but it as a notorious rep for stability and just working. you can install it from software center or via the commandline

sudo apt-get install wicd

Princeofilorin:
Well said but the iPhone 3GS also has 256 MB of RAM, can multitask,and does all those contact integration with skype,YIM,e.t.c but the best feature about the iPhone is the AppStore.it has applications that do virtually anything.I have quick office with opens PDF files,powepoint and word files.I even have emulators that enable u plaY playstation and N64 games on the iPhone.I also have skype,facebook and twitter apps.another thing I luv about the iPhone is the capacitive touchscreen as opposed to the resistive touchscreen on N900.I've used Nokia N95,N96,N97 and N900 and even though all these phones r cool,they can't be compared to the iPhone.I'm wAiting for nokia N8

The N900 is not for everyone and same applies for the iPhone. I for one can not stand the iPhone even though I might recommend it for a girlfriend who leaves where the phone is supported. The iphone in term of technology or potential has no rival. But the problem is the lockdown and the wall gargen. Many of the service you talk about can not be easily enjoyed legally in Nigeria. To use appstore u need an itunes account. and to have an itunes account you need a US Credit with a US address (or UK) beside the unlock issue is also there, you can not enjoy upgrades to the firmware because doing so endangers your phone. I really could do with all the hassle which is why I would don't always recommend the iPhone for people Living in Nigeria because unless you are a geek and is ready for the cat and mouse game with apple. Like I said the N900 is not for everyone. It is for people who want a mobile computing power device. for that purpose the N900 has no rival.

toladop:
The iPhone4 now has multitasking.

Nope it doesn't the iOS would allow some services to run in the background and the number of services are very limited (like 7) there include things like music streaming, Voip etc. what this means is that if I have an app which streams music and decide to run another app. Even though the musicc streaming app would be closed. the stream services (running in the background i.e the process streaming the music) would continue to run even though the app is closed. It basically allows some services to run as daemons. Because of this we can see the ability to make skype and receive calls cause Voip is one of the services which is allowed to run in the background so the skype services can be allowed to run in the background even though the skype application is closed. Any application whose service is not among the chosen 7 would not even be able to take advantage of this feature. Hence if I write a game app and u want to switch from the game to read a text msg. the game would be closed (or the state saved and closed) That is different from what u get on android or symbian where u can switch from one app to another (while the previous app still continue to run in the background)

Trust Apple on d flash, they are gonna force HTML5
By d way, i don enter homepage after how may years

I said iOS lacks support for major web standards. even though I hate flash I can not deny that its a major web standard. html5 is still very much in its infancy and not many sites use it yet. what the Iphone gives u due to its lack of flash support is a broken web. take it or leave it.

i took the iphone's announcement with so much meh, nothing announced about the new iOS is ground breaking or even revolutional. video chat has been on phones since 2005 and even the use on the iphone is limited to wifi connectivity and can only work btw iphone 4 phones, the iOS still lacks critical functionalities like multitasking and support for basic webstandard (flash) the one thing about the iphone 4 which caught my attention was the screen resolution which is the biggest yet on a phone. the iphone is still running on a closed and controlled ecosystem where apple decides every single thing that goes into the device. if this announcement was made some years ago, i might have been impressed but not in this days of evo 4 G, nexus one and nokia N8. right now android is the mobile platform of the moment and their latest update called froyo has got more features then iOS , things like ability to turn the phone into a wifi hotspot, ability to sync your music to the cloud and play them from anywhere, tight integration with google, system wide voice recognition, flash support, and google maps which brings free turn by turn navigation etc add all this to an open ecosystem and the android is no brainer, on the hardset space the HTC's EVO 4G device is a power house and it is still the best spec phone in the planet. it has 99% of what the iphone4 has (beside the gyroscope ) and packs even more juice, no wonder it completely sold out in its first day of release.

will the iphone 4 be a commercial success? no doubt. but that is more because of the appeal of the google brand than anything else. android is manking more and more in roads into tranditional apple heartland with cool innovations and openness.

what about nokia and symbian?
some one once called symbian and old and dated os and i thing he got it wrong. old yes dated well the s60 ui is very dated but symbian is deeper than just UI the under the hood stuffs is still one of the best u can find in a mobile OS in term of battery life usage and ability to perform well with low resource little wonder its the biggest mobile platform by a very wide margin more people use symbain than use windows just to put things in perspective, the problem with symbian is the UI. s60 in all its rebostiness is old and clucky. its not the most easy to use OS. nokia intends to fix this by moving the UI to that based on Qt the symbian ^3 OS is the first step towards this. but the milestone for nokia is symbian ^4 which is suppose to be a complete UI redesign and completely based on Qt. if nokia call pull it off then symabian would maintain its global lead in smartphone market share. for now symabian is still the best os in the low and mid range smartphone market although its has little hold in the high end device segment.
another thing nokia need to work on is the services round their products. ovi mail, ovi store, ovi messaging etc all need to be very stable and well integrated into their devices.

in all this year is going to be an interesting one in the mobile smartphone space, we wait to see what windows 7 series (or whatever the real name is) brings to the table and off cause there is meego the nokia intel child.
all i can say is that for phones when elephants fights. we the users wont be the grass that suffers

4llerbuntu:
you know, since the last discussion, i did a wubi install of 9.10 Kde and hmmn, im still not there./

stuff do not work and i dnt know why. a major ish is internet, my usb modem that works ootb in gnome refused to connect though apparently it was recognised, i tried and tried for hours!!!
then when i used my fone and decided to use my fbt apps and set a proxy, the proxy settings thingy kept on misbehaving and adding http:// to the front of my proxy. i did not put that there, kept on coming back.

then i tried to refresh kpackage kit to download latest updates, no way, did not work.
tried using terminal, did not recognise my network connection
then started amarok and tried to add my music folder on anor partition which i mounted, kept crashing religiously.

bottomline, goodluck with that, even xubuntu gave me no issues!!!!

KDE is for bigrovar and adewale, me no way

Kubuntu is not the best implementation of kde, infact the reverse is the case. The Kubuntu project does not even get 10% of the attention that canonical gives to Ubuntu hence when many people try kubuntu and it fails on them they blame it on kde. If you really want to enjoy kde try mandriva or opensuse. If you want to use Kubuntu then you would need to have to put in some effort at polishing it.

4llerbuntu:
actually the extensible/customizable aspect of KDE desktop is what is really great about it, maybe i will get that on 10.04 and then try to see if i can tweak it reasonably enough to get to like it. one condition though is that the menu HAS to be at the top of the page and not at the bottom i couldnt move it in 9.04, and a promptly formatted. lol dnt mind me jare

You could actually move the kde panel to the top on jaunty which shipped kde 4.2 OOTB. Although I have to admit its not as obvious as right clicking and choosing what position but when you click on the panel settings (on the extreme right) and u would see screen edge, drag the panel to any position u want it at .

hey rovar wats the buzz like on 10.04? are there issues like 9.10 or this is gonna be smooth sailing. i dunno where to get 'unbiased' opinions on testing.

well there is a storm brewing about some design decisions taken by canonical in lucid, mainly the moving of the windows button (close, maximize, minimize ) to the left side of the screen. Other than that most reviews have been positive. I tried out kubuntu lucid and it was smooth as butter. however its better to test development release not because its stable but to help root out any inherent bugs so that there can be fixed before release

4llerbuntu:
my major grouse with KDE is the fact that well it how do i put it, looks the same thru all the distros iv tried!!!! gnome does too but thats the minimalist effect i guess, KDE promises well a lot and i boot up ubuntu, mepis, even puppy linux and my desktop looks exactly the same!!!!! (just griping anyways lol)

First of Puppy doesnt poo with kde, second many kde distribution prefer to stick with packages and artwork from kde upstream and allow the user to change their desktop as there wish. make it their own. Some distributions like open suse and mandriva do a bit of branding for their  kde offering but because the vanilla kde artwork and look is just so stunning Out of the box. most distros decide to stick to that. When you compare that to gnome where the default gnome is just crap, but ugly and looks like something from late 90s I can understand why distributions like Ubuntu go all there way to give their own version of gnome some facelift.

hmmn, well i try it, and i just find myself after a week longing for gnome!! and the menu and submenus and windows feel just cooks it all, too busy, too many layers, i have to try to remember different stuff even simple ones like Kate is my text editor not Gedit !!!!

I always advise people to stick to what their used to. gnome and kde appeal to different people and their expectations of their desktop. personally the transition from gnome to kde was not that hard. I had google which helped me find Qt/kde equivalent for all the gnome/gtk tools I was used to. still I use gtk apps like pidgin,zim,google chrome.

and i dislike the package management system in KUBUNTU anyway

you are right Kpackagekit is still a work in progress, I use it sometimes, but for most of my package management I find it faster to just use aptitude from commandline. I also have synaptics installed anyway.

muyiscoi:
@bigrovar. just looking at your screenshots again and i can see that the bottom panel (task bar if you like) displays windows in a way reminiscent (at least to me) of windows 7. I don't remember the last KDE 4 i used (4.2 or so) having this feature so i wonder if it was just added to mirror windows 7 or if the copying was from the other side of the tent (windows). i.e has it been there all along n i just missed it last time i checked?

I replied you but post got caught in the system. You can see my reply from my previous post under my profile.

muyiscoi:
@bigrovar. just looking at your screenshots again and i can see that the bottom panel (task bar if you like) displays windows in a way reminiscent (at least to me) of windows 7. I don't remember the last KDE 4 i used (4.2 or so) having this feature so i wonder if it was just added to mirror windows 7 or if the copying was from the other side of the tent (windows). i.e has it been there all along n i just missed it last time i checked?

First of the screenshot you see there is not a pristine kde 4.4 mine has been themed differently. Concerning the kde 4 looking like windows 7. well actually the reverse is the case. The development of kde 4 series started in 2006 (am sure more earlier) and I think the first release was 2008(?) this was way before windows 7. inact when windows 7 was released it looked so much like kde 4 that many people felt windows ripped off the kde look. Even the arstechnica guys did a video where there showed kde 4.2 powered laptop to common people on the street calling it windows 7 and everyone of them fell for it.

One of the strong points of kde is configuration, I have to say it is the most flexible and configuration GUI in the world. It gives the user freedom to do whatever he wants with his desktop, and make it his own. If there is one thing I love about windows 7, its the super taskbar thingie. so when a kde plasmoid was released by a community member (smooth-tasks) I decided to install it to give same functionality (but even more powerful compared to the windows 7 version) to my kde panel.

About the innovations on kde. while it is still a work in progress, the first user ready version of kde was kde 4.3. It was when most of the features and innovations started to become stable enough for everyday use. Things like powerdevil (for power management) phonon (sound layer) Knotification system, Akonadi (storage service for personal information management (PIM) data and meta data) Solid (device integration) plasma (desktop shell) and many other low level technologies make kde one of the most robust desktop technologies out there making the desktop experience very transparent and well integrated. sound, PIM (insteration with google contacts, calendar etc or any groupware server,ldap etc ) are a breeze. while plasma provide a most beautiful desktop experience allowing the use of widgets and provides a resolution-independent interface for KDE, making the desktop look identical almost regardless of screen size or resolution. In fact there is too much to talk about kde that I dont even know where to start and its just keep getting better.

muyiscoi:
Kde always takes my breath away whenever i see someone using it or look at some screenshots. but then i pick it up and get lost in the endless menus and configuration options. i like simplicity so i stick to GNOME. minimalistic and simplistic

gnome is a great desktop environment, just with time I wanted more than it could offer me, plus kde 4.x is shaping up to me a fresh and modern desktop environment with lots of exciting technologies. It could take some getting used to specially for someone coming from gnome but once you get a hand of it, its hard to let go

Ok so I decided to bump up the thread again with some Kde 4.4.1 Love. I started Ubuntu/Linux as a gnomie, spent some times with Xfce and a on and off relationship with kde 3.5. But the release of kde 4.3 completely won me over to the Kdesktop and I have not looked back since

netotse:
hey guys. . .is there any ubuntu loco member in abuja? havn't seen ralvy arnd in ages

I am an Ubuntu user In abuja.

sold

I am currently based in abuja. But I can always arrange for the phone to be delivered to lagos. You can always call me so we can talk more

hayprof:
Yes, been doing ma research too, and learnt updates fixed most of the issues

So, can u arrange 1 for me ?

software updates never fixed the hardware issues like the defective camera, limited ram, and limited C:drive. you know how much I love symbian and You know I have used every symbian phone out there. But I have never even considered the N97. I can not force you on what to buy. But I see there are lots of people around here who have the N97 for sale you might want to check them out.

hayprof:
@brova, i need a NOKIA N97 . .

Bro The N97 is just not a good phone. It has so many issues, from a defective camera, to very limited ram which makes it a multitasking hell, to defective gps. add that to a buggy software and the N97 is one of the worst device to ever come out of nokia. If you dont believe me google to find out how people see the N97. even Nokia's execs admitted they dropped the ball with the N97. I would not advise anyone to buy that phone. At most wait for the latest device to be released on the forth coming symbian^3. If you dont believe google and do a lil research before you waste money on something you would regret.

N900 for sale , check my signature for more details

Dr_Tosin:
i'll take it for 60k

sorry 70k ls the last price

avi2612:
wats the reson to sell and how long have u used it?coz its still a new fone so wondering if u havin any issues tat u wanna sell,
is it complete boxed with all accesories

one more thing is thta tat u cant load credit on prepaid n have to change no to postpaid to use this fone?

coz i am really intrested

- Yes it comes with all the accesories: charger, headset, tv connector cable and of cause the phone park

- I got it on December 20th last year . Its in perfectly working order. Not a single issue with it.

-  I got a new one as a bday present. as awesome as the N900 is 2 of it can be quite an over kill

- The lack of ussd support is a known. according to nokia based on the bug report filed on the issue. The problem has been fixed and the update  containing the fix is expected to be released sometimes this month.

If you are interested. send me a text msg

I have a fairly used N900 for sale. It goes for 70K has all the accessories. Plus lots of apps and games.

N900 is currently the best mobile computing device to come out from Nokia. here are the specks

screen display - 800 x 480 pixels, 3.5 inches
- Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate
Keyboard - Full qwerty
Storage - 32gb harddrive
Ram - 256mb + 768mb Application Memory
Connectivity - 3G,WLAN,Bluetooth,Infrared,microUSB
Camara - 5MP CarlZeiss,autofocus,Dual LED,Geotagging
Video - Plays Avi,Avid,Dvix,VOB out of the box no encoding needed
CPU - ARM Cortex A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX graphics
Messaging - SMS (Threaded view) Email,Push Email, Sykpe call and chat, gtalk call chat and video call, msn chat, facebook chat, yahoo chat
Browser - Mozila,firefox,flash 9.4, java script
Radio - FM Radio reciever and Transmitter
GPS - AGPS with OVI
TVOUT - Seamless connection to TV
Others - PDF Document viewer,MS word, Excel, Presentation Viewer, Photo editor

oyb:
@bigrovar - it is sad that you pretend to be unaware of 4llerbes antics

fyi - your protege has been pissing off everyone with his frequent incursions into threads to mouth off against windows, bill gates, anti malware apps, etc.

its gotten so bad that dua core and myself incidntally, were surprised when he made a post in a thread about an activation issue that didn't attack windows.


if you want to pretend that you are unaware of this - well and good - but please stop trying to paint him as some sort of blameless saint

you should be bothered about the sort of ambassadors your OS is spawning.

you need to go through 4llerbes posts - then youb will realise those fingers are pointing at y'all.

why do you think the other more regular ubuntu users on the thread are silent on this issue? before going off on a holier than thou tanget, do some research.

the only troll here is 4llerbe - just check his post history

It seems you have problems reading. go back and read my post, maybe you have issues comprehending issues seriously Where did I try to paint anyone as a saint. I was referring which posts as they relate to this thread. It is of no concern of mine what anyone does with their life. I have a job than to be following the posting habit of others. people should stop posting things which are likely to cus flame war on Ubuntu linux thread is all am saying. What ever they do outside of here is non of my business. If there is a thread you have an interest in by all means protect it , speak against anyone who tries to misbehave in such thread. What is your business with me? You want me to come and fight your fight? I mean you say I pretend like am blind to some dude's post. check my posting habits. 80% of them are in this threads occasionally I venture out to the phone sections or technology market, or if a thread interest me I might drop in to offer an opinion. But the only thread which keeps me in NL is Ubuntu Linux I dont give a hoot about any other thread. The person I was referring got the msg and he has moved on. I advise you do same if you have nothing meaningful to contribute to this thread.