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 Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 7:54am On Jun 20, 2009 |
lastpage:Why don't you, all in the name of civilization, just ask the government to come and change your daipers when you bed wet?  You have left the main issue unaddressed and instead have set off on a journey into the wilderness. The traders were deemed to have broken the law, and if otherwise, they had the opportunity to seek redress in the courts. As to the suitability of horse whips, would you rather they use the more 'humane' 120,000 volts tasers? Though, going by your post, the double horse-whip will be quite suitable in your case. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Khomeni Calls Britain The Most Evil Foreign Power - Foreign Office Upset by biina: 6:42am On Jun 20, 2009 |
[quote author=Tudór link=topic=286267.msg4057990#msg4057990 date=1245432467]Even in their place of worship they scream ''DEATH'' - Islam is such a savage and bloodthirsty religion![/quote]so the fact that some Christians pray for the death of their enemies while in the church makes Christianity a savage and bloodthirsty religion? |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 6:37am On Jun 20, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285847.msg4060112#msg4060112 date=1245474692]Anybody that understands markets in Nigeria should know that they typically close by 6pm. A serious govt that values the lives and properties of her citizens should take over the market like they do commercial banks anytime they want between the hours of 6pm to 7am. It is far easier and better to turn people arriving to work in the morning around than barge into their work place during work hours. If not for anything, the shoppers will turn around and leave in peace if told the market is closed for the day instead of chasing them around for what they don't know. If the govt is peace loving, such closure should be announced 24 hrs prior in the news and in the market so that even if there will be people resisting it, they will seriously be reduced in number and it's very doubtful. All these fat heads here will continue to argue round and round till they die and most of them are due to ignorance. Will it hurt them to announce the closure prior to the time?. Only someone who is not conversant with the Nigerian police will believe they just arrived in the market and announced the closure while standing quietly to let civilians pass through. In this Nigeria? when did the police become civilized like that?. I've seen 4 people from the same market and one of them is in the hospital even though she went there to buy what I don't know. An older married woman for that matter. They used bilala to pound people pressing and pushing them out from the vicinity. I am done with this topic. You want proof, come to Adekunle village this evening let me show you. Biina, believe what you want but don't come crying here anyday your mother who is innocently doing her thing get this same treatment by Fashola thugs. We are judged by the same measure of which we judge others.[/quote]So you are saying the report in the article is false? Do you feel the journalist was trying to make the NPF look good by distorting the facts?From your account, you were not there, and thus your version of the story is hearsay. You have failed to substantiate your claims that innocent people were assaulted by the policemen, rather your are postulating to what may have happen simply because the issue involved the NPF, and of course being your omniscience self, you knew what was on the minds of the policemen. Instead of supporting your position with facts, you are wasting bandwidth with personal attacks and insults. The facts that you feel the NPF are Fashola's thugs hints that your were never objective in your evaluation of the incidence in the first place. Anybody that violates the law or hinders its enforcement, deserves to be dealt with accordingly. Unruly and/or criminal behaviorior should not be encouraged. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 6:18am On Jun 20, 2009 |
dayokanu:If I was to define recently as the last 15yrs madrid would have 3, while milan would have 2 thus we cannot pick an abitrary reference but must put it in context.Nobody is removing trophies in the name of not recent, but if two teams have equal number of trophies, I would rank the team with more recent win as being more successful, as it is more difficult to achieve (or do you think that it is a coincidence that none has been able to defend the modern day UCL?) I already gave you a comparison of Liverpool v ManU and would rather we compare just a pair so that the discussion would not get out of hand. Outside of UCL (which I call even but you deem in favor of Liverpool), I cant see any other area that Liverpoool is superior to ManU, that would make Liverpool a bigger club. |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 4:38am On Jun 20, 2009 |
Kobojunkie:Yes. If not, please tell us how. |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 3:46am On Jun 20, 2009 |
@Aloy -You keep on alleging the indiscriminate flogging of the crowd (e.g. which sane human being will enter a crowd and start chasing them in the name of law enforcement) yet the article states that only people that resisted the close down git whipped. - The people at the market were not rioters, so why the comparism? - You remain fixated on the time of close down and refuse to answer the question of if the police were to come at 6am, what should the police do to those who try to resist/violate the closure? - I am not sure how this has become a debate on the fallibility of fashola - I remain fixated on the breakage of law because (in this case) that is the root cause of the assault, and not the timing of the police. - If you ignore warnings and wander into a bomb test area, the military cannot be held responsible for your injuries or death. - Police brutality is judged as the use of excessive force. The cutoff point for excessive force is situation dependent, and while a policeman should physically assault an unharmed traffic offender, he can shoot an armed felon. Again what do you think batons and tasers are used for? - The motto in the west is not that it is better to let a criminal go scot free than prosecute an innocent man, but rather it is better to let a criminal go scot free than convict an innocent man. A lot of innocent people are arrested often enough, and some are even detained if there is enough grounds. Yet same developed societies employ profiling in identifying potential criminals. Does profiling not lump the innocent with the guilty? The Nigerian police (and uniformed forces in general) are reputed to often use excessive force when carrying out their duties, but that should not then mean that every incident is treated with a blanket judgment of the force used by the NPF is always excessive. I have no problem with the police shooting armed robbers, but I do have a problem with them shooting a traffic offender. In this case, the report (which was not a press release by the government or NPF) stated that the officers whipped people that resisted the closure. I dont see anything wrong in them whipping someone that obstructs the enforcement of the law. It went on to say that some traders resorted to hawking and caused obstruction to the traffic. The report did not state that people were whipped indiscriminately, or that there was a stampede, so I dont see how aloy has reached his conclusion, except based on the account of his/her friend, of which we have no proof of its objectivity or veracity. Based on the report, there would have been no violence if people complied with directive. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 2:52am On Jun 20, 2009 |
@dayokanu Again with the absolutes. How do you justify your choice of 20 yrs? AC milan has 7 european titles well spaced over time, while madrid have 9 with the distribution less even. Depending on how far back you look, either team can look like having more 'recent' success. But then UCL is not the only thing that determines the biggest club (note that the question wasn't about the best club in the UCL - whatever that means ). Except from Sauron, everyone else seems to agree that Madrid is the biggest club. I am inclined to take Milan second (and I think most will agree with this) with ManU third. My bone of contention is with your choice of Liverpool over ManU |
| Events › Re: Create Your Football Squad by biina: 5:26pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
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| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 2:17pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=283130.msg4056330#msg4056330 date=1245417233]United are bigger. . . . . . . Madrid's 9 UCL titles are a tad overrated. 5 of them were won in the 50s for mess's sake.[/quote]and the remaining four? I am sure you are the only one on this board who is deluded that ManU is bigger than Madrid. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 1:53pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
dayokanu:I am not saying it should be based solely on recent performance and ignore past achievements, but rather that a recent championship should carry more weight than those of bygone years. You cannot just count trophies for the sake of counting, as the competition evolves, and the difficulty of the challenge has increased over the years (more teams from stronger leagues and more participant in general). Also you cannot use the CL as sole yard stick for determining a big club, else I ask if Nottingham Forest is the 12th biggest clubs in europe? |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 1:47pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=283130.msg4055943#msg4055943 date=1245413950]The Busby babes on it's own is HISTORY. . . . . . .[/quote]lets not speak ill of the dead. Is Celtic bigger than Man Utd despite their long haul of titles in little Scotland?and what has celtics won in europe. Real Madrid have done it both home and away. They have been more successful than manu in europe, and have sent you packing when both have met in the champions league. We all know why Madrid's revenue is more. . . . . . .United can top that if they break away from their domestic TV deals tied to the FA.The ranking was based on properties that could be acquired, in madrid case mainly the brand, and thus did not account for the entire club. You cannot buy real madrid as a club, unlike ManU that is essentially owned by the glazers. Even then I wasn't disputing that ManU likely has more assets than madrid, just that the source you chose was not fair. Its funny how you want to forget the debts, when same debts contributed to the assets you so much want to amplify. Any accountant will tell you that your value = assets- liability(i.e.debts). You are free to use your self devised accounting standards. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 1:28pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
@dayokanu Following your world cup example, Uruguay is then a bigger team than France, England or Netherlands? The time you won the trophy matters, else we would say Nottingham forest (who just recently got back to the english championship from L1) is a bigger club than Arsenal, PSV, Marseille, Valencia, Borussia Dortmund etc |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 1:00pm On Jun 19, 2009 |
Sauron is obviously suffering from acute fanboism. What history does ManU have compared to the most successful club of the 20th century? In terms of success, Madrid has won more titles than ManU in both the domestic and international arena. Even in value, manU is valued at $1.87B with a 54% debt/value ratio and a revenue $512M while Madrid is valued $1.353B with a 23% and a revenue of $576M. Thus Madrid makes more money than manu, and after accounting for debt, Madrid is worth more than ManU ($1.04B vs $860M) (source: Forbes) Sauron would rather make a judgement based on a ranking that excluded clubs like real madrid because they could not be acquired as properties Only a ManU fanboy would ever dream of manu being bigger than madrid, and even then, he should wake up and apologize  |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 11:32am On Jun 19, 2009 |
RichyBlacK:It is you that should reread your post and explain how you've reached your conclusion that the Al-shabab group are receiving orders from Saudi Arabia to desecrate the graves. I have nothing against fighting that which is wrong, just dont try to justify yourself as being different when you do the same. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 11:14am On Jun 19, 2009 |
bollingjoe:and where did I say/allude to manu being bigger than madrid. Guy becareful b4 any more wrong deductions |
| Nairaland General › Re: Eiye Confraternity Celebrates 40 Yrs Of Committing Atrocities In Nigeria by biina: 2:28am On Jun 19, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285111.msg4052031#msg4052031 date=1245350649]Most reports claim that the first manifestation of a campus confraternity (or campus cult) was in 1952. At that time, Wole Soyinka, Olumyiwa Awe, Raph Okpara, Aig-Imokhuede, Ben Egbuchie, Nathaniel Oyelola and Pius Oleghe (who were known as the "Magnificent Seven"  formed the Pyrates Confraternity at the University of Ibadan. The purpose of the confraternity was to combat societal ills and conformist degradation, which were being exhibited not only by students, but by society at large. According to the Pyrates, the first graduates of the University of Ibadan were elitist, as they were highly privileged since they were the first graduating class of Nigeria's first university [1]. Most of the university students adopted elitist behavior, imitating the dress of the colonialists and mimicking their culture. Wole Soyinka, who was code-named "Captain Blood," together with his colleagues felt that the pretenses should be stopped. A notable incident that further provoked the Pyrates occurred after many privileged students organized a demonstration against the construction of a rail-line that was to be built across a road leading to their campus. The students were afraid that improved transportation access to the university would reduce its exclusivity. The Pyrates decided to fight what they believed to be elitist nonsense. They succeeded not only in ridiculing the students' argument, but also accomplished the construction of the rail-line [2]. Membership in the Pyrates Confraternity was offered to intellectually promising men with no discrimination as to race, color or tribe. The majority of those who applied to join the Pyrates were not accepted. The activity of members was rigidly controlled and the group promoted non-violent dispute resolution. From 1953 to 1972, the Pyrates was the only confraternity on Nigerian campuses [3]. The Emergence of Pseudo-Confraternities In the early 1970s, several confraternities emerged. In 1972, a member of the Pyrates Confraternity, Dr. Bolaji Carew (code-named "Late Ahoy Rica Ricardo" , and other members were accused of not following the teachings of the confraternity and were unexpectedly expelled. As a result of this incident and other problems, the Pyrates pulled out of Nigeria's universities. They then registered themselves in Nigeria under the name of the National Association of Seadogs (NAS). Carew later founded the Buccaneers Confraternity (also called the National Associations of Sea Lords). In the formation of the new confraternity, Carew took with him many elements of the Pyrates, including similar attire and symbols of the cult as well as its highly regimented and hierarchical structure (The Midweek Telegraph, August 10-16, 2005). The origin of confraternity violence dates back to Carew's 1972 saga and the birth of the Buccaneers (The Midweek Telegraph, August 10-16, 2005).http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1262[/quote]Am not sure I get the point of your post. Pyrates did not pull out of campuses till 1984, by then the damage had been done. Most secrets cults like airlords (eiye) and buccaneers were offshoots or grand offshoot of the pyrates confraternity, and they had been constituting a nuisance since the late 60s. It all started with the pyrates. |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 1:41am On Jun 19, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285847.msg4052670#msg4052670 date=1245358519]Simple logic should tell you that there is no way the whole market will arrive there at the same time. It will never be like arriving there at the middle of the day. Most of you talk as if you are not Nigerians. You think the policemen came into the market calmly and were begging people: "nnaa make una dey leave this place small small na, una wan make we use force?". Eye witness came back this evening with a broken foot and she was just shopping and Biina is here yarning nonsense. What stops the police from invading the market at the wee hours?. Why must they do it during the peak period?. Do you know how many children that were running helter skelter today because the police were chasing people?. It is called cumulative effect. Even terrorists in advance countries take refuge in the crowd because they know the police will come up with a hyper plane to nab them. Why should mrs mojisola break her leg because she went shopping, is it because she was adamant to leave or because the crowd pounced on her?. As for biina, I am tired of answering him. I will wait the day olopa will whip him because he is in the vicinity where they are chasing a fraudstar, armed robber or because he went to agboju to buy pepper.[/quote]The report stated that the policemen arrived in the morning, so stop painting it like if they went there at mid-day. The possibility of you getting beat up by mobile policemen is higher, as you are likely to refuse a directive given by them simply on the basis of time of the day. If your friend was innocent and still got injured, that was unfortunate, but the blame should be with those that restricted the police hereby necessitating the use of force, and not the policemen who were executing (as far as we know) a lawful directive. |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 8:48pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285847.msg4052081#msg4052081 date=1245351390]In a civilized society, the best way to deal with issues like this is not by surrounding a crowd and tazing them. What if the mob turns against the police, you'll have the same thing that happened in Iran days ago?. It's a crowd and I know the police more than you. A lady i know got hurt by the running crowd and she only went there to shop. We should do away with this barbaric mentality and embrace civilization. The police works 24 hours and can easily block that area by 6am, that way there will be no crowd. It will also be appropriate for them to announce it through the media and in the market 24 hours to the closure. Common, it's not as if they were trying to close in on a wanted fugitive, so, why destroy lives and properties just because you want to enforce environmental law? Don't you know that all those people that own shops in Peckham and Manhattan violate environmental regulations and some fail to pay the fines as ordered. Does the American or British police use the SWAT team to raid the area because of the violators irrespective of tourists and shoppers or do they quietly close the shops?. The Nigerian police did this because they have weapons and know they can do anything to civilians and get away with it. The more Nigerians absorb inhuman treatment like this, the more they continue to do it. If people like you come online to support it, what else can i say?. you may never know the day a relation of yours or you will be manhandled by them. If Fashola ordered this raid, he failed on this one, hooooooooHaaaaaaaaaa.[/quote]I believe your interpretation of the events are disingenous. The entire village was not surrounded with people being whipped indiscriminately. There is no mention of destroyed lives or properties as you allege. The policemen work 24hrs but the government and court officials do not. This was a simple close down of a market and not restraining of protesters like in Iran (unless you feel the average Nigerian market is the gathering of a mob). Our reporter reliably learnt that the armed Policemen freely used horsewhips on the recalcitrant traders especially the youths who attempted to prevent them from carrying out the order allegedly approved by Governor Babatunde Fashola of Lagos. When they eventually complied, Daily Champion was told that the traders who had already displayed their wares for sale were forced to take refuge at the Awolowo and medical roads and other adjoining streets from where they hawked their goods. The policemen whipped those who resisted the execution of the order. The primary problem was that some people resisted the law enforcement, and even after being forced out, resorted to hawking on the road and disturbing traffic flow. The time of execution of the order is secondary, as there is nothing restricting same group from a confrontation with the police if they were refused access to the area at 6am. Announcing the closed down in the media would have likely resulted in a more organized resistance, leading to increased violence. Surprise is used by law enforcement in every country. In civilized countries, people (for the most part) respect uniformed officers. There would have been no violence if the people complied peacefully. We can condemn the Nigerian police for their numerous failings, but we also have to recognize that the citizens need to respect the law and law enforcement officers. |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 7:46pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285847.msg4051992#msg4051992 date=1245350076]Is that a civilized and best way to close down a market?. All they need to do is to come out early in the morning before people open their shops and put it on the lockdown. Why do we extol violence in Nigeria?[/quote]so the police is in the wrong for trying to do their jobs, and not the recalcitrant traders who exhibited a lack of respect for the law and law enforcement officers. Rather you want the policemen to work at odd hours simply to accommodate some unruly people  The real question is why do you extol unruly behavior and encourage disregard for the role of law? The policemen were not said to be indiscriminately whipping everybody, but only those that failed to comply. Even in developed countries, policemen use force on people that resist a directive (or what do you think batons and tazers were made for? ) |
| Nairaland General › Re: Eiye Confraternity Celebrates 40 Yrs Of Committing Atrocities In Nigeria by biina: 7:28pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
kshow1:I will call all of them, including Soyinka, criminals as they have failed to take any steps to curb the criminal behaviors of their members. The fact that they can celebrate an anniversary and act oblivious to the atrocities committed by their members makes it more irritating. Rather they are spewing rhetoric of the innocence of their organization as if the rest of Nigeria were so gullible. Soyinka has been busy criticizing the government, but has made little effort to sanitize an organization he partly founded. He condemns the government for the poor state of university education, but will not work to cleanse the fraternities that have made same institutions into living hell for innocent students. He is guilty of hypocrisy and can be judged complicit of the crime. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Lagos Seals Computer Village & Spare Parts Shops Again by biina: 7:21pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=285847.msg4051866#msg4051866 date=1245348113]Lagos state govt is gradually turning into a bully.[/quote]Assuming the allegations are true, what would you advise the government to do? |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 2:03pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
dayokanu:Am not sure what your criteria were, but if one considers success both on and off the pitch, I dont see how bayern or liverpool comes ahead of ManU (Barca i would have to give more thought). Off the pitch, Man U is second only to Real Madrid. On the pitch, lets deal with liverpool first. Both teams have won 18 domestic ttile, with ManU winning 11 in the past 16 seasons, and Liverpool not winning any for almost 20yrs. I will give domestic success to man U In europe, man u has won 3 titles, (2 in the last 10 yrs) while liverpool have won 5 (1 in the last 25 yrs). I personally don't reckon with UEFA cup, or cup winners cup, as entry into it means you were second best to someone else domestically, and winning it doesnt make you any better than someone that failed to win the champions league, as the competitors are different. I would call european success even. So I dont see how liverpool comes ahead of man u, unless you are simply counting european titles irrespective of when it was won. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by biina: 1:32pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
tunku:So the million Iranians figure is simply based on your guesstimate of 5 miles (or did you measure it?) and the rigging being self evident is simply your admission that you have no proof. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 1:19pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
RichyBlacK:and you know this as a fact? So the fight in Somalia is over islamic sects? Its funny that you condemn the wahhabist of trying to kill other Muslims, but then recommend that they be wiped out. Pot calling kettle black People have always done evil in the name of God and religion. The problem is with people and not with God or religion. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by biina: 1:10pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
tunku:WTF is wrong with you when you exaggerate unsubstantiated claims where is the evidence that a million ( You need to make up your mind: did they protest because the election was rigged, or the election was rigged because they are protesting? You sit in behind your computer, naively feeding off whatever you read online that feeds your fantasy and bias, and come here to spew it like facts. Unless you can substantiate your allegations, you need to stop ranting about it. We all heard you the first time. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 12:54pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
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| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 5:21am On Jun 18, 2009 |
dayokanu:Lets have your top 5 then |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 4:30am On Jun 18, 2009 |
dayokanu:do u think they should be first or further down? |
| Events › Re: Where Does Real Madrid Get There Money From? by biina: 4:29am On Jun 18, 2009 |
davidif:It is the simple summary to the epistle. The whole issue (credit, TV rights etc) stem from them being the biggest club in the world. BTW layoff the insults  |
| Nairaland General › Re: Eiye Confraternity Celebrates 40 Yrs Of Committing Atrocities In Nigeria by biina: 11:43pm On Jun 17, 2009 |
Bloody criminals have the gall to be celebrating an anniversary Cultism, like armed robbery and man slaughter, should be punishable by death. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by biina: 11:03pm On Jun 17, 2009 |
The opposition needs to get over it. What were they expecting from an electoral system under which the incumbent has never lost a reelection. If they were not guilty of (intended) rigging, why have they not moved for electoral reforms to a system that is susceptible to heavy rigging. In the words of Nzeribe (IIRC): He who outrigs you, outpolitics you! |
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