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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: The 2009 Summer Football Transfer Thread(Bayern £22m Robben, Inter £13m Sneijdr) by biina(op): 8:38pm On Jun 17, 2009
MrCrackles:
Teeth failed him a medical? shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked cheesy grin grin grin
na so we seem am o! cheesy grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 6:53pm On Jun 17, 2009
@jalether
[ flash=485,380]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NBpu-M6kXCk[/flash]
[flash=485,380]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NBpu-M6kXCk[/flash]

You will have to remove the space before 'flash'. You can find the link to the video from the embed url
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: The 2009 Summer Football Transfer Thread(Bayern £22m Robben, Inter £13m Sneijdr) by biina(op): 6:48pm On Jun 17, 2009
Aly Cissokho's Move To AC Milan Collapses

The Porto player will not be moving to the San Siro, according to the latest reports.
Earlier today, it was reported that concerns arose during the Aly Cissokho's medical ahead of his move to AC Milan, regarding the player's teeth.
The left-back's move has now collapsed following the failed medical and he will not be joining the Rossoneri from Porto. There was a €15 million deal in the works, but the player will now remain a member of the Portuguese club after not signing the proposed contract.
The 21-year-old's agent, Boli, had little to say on the matter, but was clearly disappointed the transfer is now void. "You'll have to speak with Milan," he responded, according to Goal.com Italia, when asked about the latest developments.
Cissokho is considered a rising star, having moved to Porto in January 2009 and impressed enough to attract the interest of several to sides, including the Serie A giants.
Milan have yet to reveal the exact reason he failed the medical, but you can read some expert opinion on the possibilities by clicking here.
Many sections of the press had praised the acquisition of the defender, believing he would be a key member of the squad under new coach Leonardo.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/86/italy/2009/06/17/1330804/aly-cissokhos-move-to-ac-milan-collapses
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 6:39pm On Jun 17, 2009
tkb417:
the above came from you
you were trying to say Maradona was a support striker
i can read and understand english mr biina

ok, now that we have both agreed that hes was a playmaker good
as for who was the greatest, maradona still ranks better than Zidane

do you know when Zidane was actively playing for France, he was the highest goal scorer for the national team behind Trezeguet and some goals better than Henry?
does that mean Zidane was a striker?
Its a known fact that Playmakers atimes score a lotta goals for their teams

not sure about the number of games Pasculli played but i know he was the second striker apart from Valdano
Pasculli played in only two games at the 1986 world cup. Maradona was the SS in the other 5 games.

My point about where playmakers play on the pitch is still valid, as you dont typically playmake from the SS position. Over his career Maradona has played as an SS, a trequartista and an AM, and given his great abilities, he has been the playmaker on more than one occassion.
My issue was with your earlier assertion to maradona's great playmaking based on the world cup. Maradona played predominantly as a deep SS in the 1986 world cup, and the fact that neither batista nor guitsi were the best creatively necessitated that maradona often picked up the ball deep and ran at defenses (a beauty to watch). A better display of his creative abilities was at the 1990 and 1994 world cup. One remembers maradona for taking on defenders at full speed and not for his killer passes.

The french national team often played a lone striker, with the trio of Zidane, viera and makelele in the middle. They got away with it as Trez was often unavailable for major tournaments, and when needing to field both trez and henry, the played henry as a false right winger.
I dont think Zidane was a great (like top 5, top 10) playmaker, but I feel he was a better playmaker than maradona, but maradona was obviously a better player.

When I think of great playmakers, the likes of Dr. Socrates comes to mind, with his ability to split open a defence with surgical precision.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 5:40pm On Jun 17, 2009
tkb417:
Biina is arguing grin
sawrry i didnt put Bochini in ma list of midfielders
he was one of the best in that world cup tho

Biina
i dont know how you see your games but in 1986, Valdano and Pasculli were the strikers for Argentina
I never said he was not a playmaker, I said he wasn't a great playmaker.

As to the games in 1986, how many games did Pasculli start in? and then you can tell us who was the second striker in the other games.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 5:14pm On Jun 17, 2009
tkb417:
then you didnt see Argentina vs England in 1986 world cup
and everybody else on his team did nothing? undecided
Maradona scored two goals against England and that equates to single handedly winning the world cup. Even if it was just scoring of goals, how many did he score in the finals?

what you do not know, its good to ask so i give you thumbs up for asking
Diego Amando maradona was a playmaker in 1986 world cup. he played as a central midfielder

Argentina had 3 strikers at the 86 mundial namely
~ Sergio Almiron
~Jorge Valdano
~Pedro Pasculli

Maradona was in the midfield with others like

~Claudio Borghi
~Jorge Burruchaga
~Richardo Giusti

so how is Maradona not a playmaker?
can u enlighten us?
At the 1986 world cup, maradona played as a supporting striker to Valdano for most games, and was used occasionally as a trequartista ( in the two matches Pasculli played) against teams that were likely to adopt defensive tactics - korea and uruguay. Maradona being the highest goal scorer in his team in 1986 is further evidence that he was primarily scoring goals, and not creating chances for others.
Same applied at Napoli, maradona was primarily an SS for Giordano, and became a trequartista after the arrival of careca, in a bid to accommodate all three.
As maradona grew older, be played deeper.

To give you an example, a modern day trequartista is Kaka, yet pirlo is the playmaker in AC milan.

At the 2002 world cup, Ronaldinho was the playmaker, but at Barcelona, Xavi is the playmaker.

Like I said earlier, the problem seems to be a misunderstanding of who is a playmaker. People shouldn't equate being a great player to being a great playmaker.
Maradona was a better player than Zidane, but Zidane was a better playmaker.
Valderrama was a much better playmaker than both zidane and maradona, and yet he is not even close to them as a player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Who Is Bigger, Madrid Or Man U? by biina: 3:57pm On Jun 17, 2009
Madrid.
Second choice would be between ManU and Milan
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 3:55pm On Jun 17, 2009
Ibime:
Zidane ke?

Abegi Maradona is in a class of his own.

If Ronaldo had maintained fitness throughout his career, Zidane would not be the greatest player of his generation, talkless of challenging Maradona.
The debate is on the greatest playmaker of the trio, and not the greatest player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 3:25pm On Jun 17, 2009
debosky:
Best player to replace him is not synonymous with best RB is it?  huh
Its an endorsement of his abilities.
Was he home grown at Sevilla? Wasn't Alves bought? Wasn't Silvinho first choice LB over Cashley at Arsenal? Didn't Cashley eventually outperform him?  huh
Alves was on loan and bought a year earlier. Dani was older, and was in the first team for two seasons before Ramos dislplaced him

Evidence please

Chelsea reportedly bid £55 million for Real Madrid full-back Sergio Ramos, according to Spanish newspaper El Pais, but the signing of Bosingwa represents Avram Grant's third prominent signing since replacing Mourinho as Chelsea manager.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2300258/Chelsea-sign-Portos-Jose-Bosingwa-for-16.2m.html

Look at Madrid's defensive records and the thrashings they received - was Ramos not in the defence raped 4-0 by Liverpool? What about the double thrashing from Barcelona? Madrid has never been the best place for defenders - Ramos is liked there mostly for his attacking flair.
Wasn't he on the same back line last year when Madrid had the best defensive record in la liga?

What other RB's does Spain have of note?  huh Being first choice doesn't mean he is the best in the world, Spain is not exactly renowned for it's defenders.
Arbeloa is second choice. Being first choice for the defending euro champions doesn't make you the best, but shows that you are up there.

He is still better defensively than Ramos
The lapses of concentration are abysmal and he loses his rag too often - his 'superstar' status is really affecting his game, and he is not stable/consistent enough to be the best RB overall.
Against barcelona, madrid tried to play the offside trap, and they failed miserably (not surprising given that they are not used to it). Henry sprung the trap with ease. They played much better at the nou camp.

Maicon is credited for his offensive abilities and not his defence. Probably you didn't see his gaffe against liverpool.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 2:53pm On Jun 17, 2009
Its fine that you feel that maicon is better, but it would be more credible if you could back up your view with some objective info or third party evaluations, and not just your personal opinions.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 2:36pm On Jun 17, 2009
jalether:
there is only one playmaker of all playmakers, Maradona the Don, like i have always said

until Zidane and ronaldinho single handedly win the world cup, all comparisons should be suspended
Nobody has ever (and will ever) single handedly won the world cup. It is not possible to single handedly win a team sport.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 2:34pm On Jun 17, 2009
tkb417:
Maradona not a playmaker?
and what was he?
any ideas?

u guys shld stop saying what you dont know. How many clips of Maradona did u see?
if u havent seen, try and buy DVDs and see

check his exploits at the world cup, napoli and co and get back to me

Zidane a great player but Maradona is a notch better
lets start with his most memorable performance. In the 1986 world cup, what was maradona's position? undecided
PoliticsRe: Ex- Military Men Have Leadership Qualities Than Civilians. by biina: 3:53am On Jun 17, 2009
Of what good is your leadership skills, when you are leading in the wrong direction? undecided
PoliticsRe: Massacre In Niger Delta For Oil And Gas by biina: 2:54am On Jun 17, 2009
The video looks questionable
SportsRe: 2010 Uefa Champions League Final : Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid Host by biina: 9:53pm On Jun 16, 2009
The venue was decided in march, well before Perez became president, or kaka & CR moved to spain. undecided
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 6:33pm On Jun 16, 2009
Seems some people don't know what it means to be a playmaker

Playmaker: A player in a sport with goals, such as a guard in basketball, who initiates offensive plays.

The playmaker conducts the orchestra of his team's attack. A key part of being a good playmaker is ball distribution. Running at defenses is not play making.
Playmakers play in the middle of the field, and not as supporting/shadow strikers. Their main weapon is their passing, and not their dribbling skills.
For example, in the current Barcelona team, Xavi is the playmaker and not messi.
Maradona was a great player, but was far from being a great playmaker
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 6:19pm On Jun 16, 2009
Lets add some third person perspectives to this discussion.

- Ramos is so poor for a RB that he was voted as the RB of choice for the UEFA Team of the Year (2008) and the FIFA.com Team of the Year (2008)
- He is so poor that maldini said he is the best player to replace him at milan
- He is so poor that at Sevilla (at age 19), he was first choice RB ahead of Dani Alves
- He is so poor that Chelsea wanted him ahead of Bosingwa.
- He is so poor that at 23 he has been the first choice RB for real madrid for the past 4 seasons, scoring 24 goals with 10 assists in 170 appearances
- He is so poor that he is the first choice RB for defending European champions, Spain
I wonder what would have been if he was any good undecided

Maicon is 27 and is likely playing the best football of his career, but like most (if not all) Brazilian FBs, still leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end.

Ramos is a card magnet and is at times guilty of losing concentration, but still the best RB overall.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 3:17pm On Jun 16, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4035931#msg4035931 date=1245150223]Biina, give up and stop displaying your ignorance on a public forum

You are a small turd.[/quote]You are the ignorant one, who has failed to substantiate his claims. You say Ramos is not the best RB, and you are yet to state in which areas your preferred choice is superior. undecided
But then it is typical of those that cannot buttress their claims to try to divert attention by insulting the opposition and making personal remarks.

Your modus operandi  is to slap your butt and make a wrongful claim, and, instead of defending your position with concise arguments or admitting your mental failures, you runoff your loose cannon mouth on a tangent, trying to project your self disgust onto others, in exchange for a fleeting attention.

You sound frustrated with life, in which case, please do the rest of the world a favor and make yourself useful for once by hanging your self. Your death is way overdue ('cos you really shouldn't have been born). It would be good riddance to bad rubbish.
SportsRe: The Legendary Maldini Has Retired by biina: 6:07am On Jun 16, 2009
davidif:
My greatest defenders of all time

Maldini
John Terry
Jaap Stam
Marcel Desailly
Jamie Carragher.
Seems you havent watched too many games outside of recent premiership matches undecided
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: The 2009 Summer Football Transfer Thread(Bayern £22m Robben, Inter £13m Sneijdr) by biina(op): 5:36am On Jun 16, 2009
Jorge Valdano: Madrid Cannot Match Barca’s Bid For David Villa

The Blaugrana are reportedly set to make an official €50 million offer, €40m in cash plus Martin Caceres and Bojan Krkic (on loan), a proposal that easily outmatches Los Blancos’ €25 million plus Alvaro Negredo bid.
Two other players who have been strongly linked with a move to the Bernabeu as a fall-back plan for Villa, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Diego Forlan, also look unlikely to pull on the famous white jersey next season, as Valdano dismissed rumors that he is tracking them.
He confessed, “We have two or three different alternatives, but they are not either one of those two players.”

Things are not looking any brighter for Valdano and Madrid on the Xabi Alonso and Franck Ribery front, as the director admitted to complications in pulling off either deal.
“[Zinedine] Zidane speaks wonders of Ribery, and there was an interest at some point,” he revealed. “But that’s a difficult issue now because they [Bayern Munich] are setting astronomical figures as they have no intentions of selling him.
“As for Xabi, his club, Liverpool, have already released an official notice and it would be very difficult to se him move to Real Madrid. We made an effort to sign him a few years ago. We spoke to Real Sociedad but when I left, the interest faded away.
“And as for David Silva… I don’t know what to do with Valencia. I have read that he is nontransferable.”

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/88/spain/2009/06/15/1327563/jorge-valdano-madrid-cannot-match-barcas-bid-for-david-villa
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 3:41am On Jun 16, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4033752#msg4033752 date=1245103190]That ain't a rhetorical question, u mongoose.
I will be the first member to call you a plonker on this forum.
Like other peops who are afraid to say whatz on their mind, i don't mince words.[/quote]so you are proud that you don't think before you speak/type? that's interesting so say the least undecided

Nauseating?? Lemme tell you what is nauseating. . . . . .It is your pest-natured, pseudo-authoritative, priggish attitude that is nauseating.
You self-loathed, felching ignorant bastard. grin
says the village fool undecided
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 10:40pm On Jun 15, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4033643#msg4033643 date=1245101399]Who is the idiot now? Huh?[/quote]Thats a rhetorical question. If YOU are asking, then the answer is obvious. undecided

Biina, ever since i schooled you on the Inter/Man Utd thread, you have been getting unnecessary erections about me.
United won the tie fair n square. . . . .stop hounding me like a mutt that you are.

Get a fucking life.
Your consistent gay remarks are quite nauseating. If u need same sex companionship, please seek it elsewhere. undecided
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 10:28pm On Jun 15, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4033599#msg4033599 date=1245100816]U are a mongolian idiot.

Look who's talking. . . . .U are too daft to comprehend any schitzo.
Just move over. . . . .

Are u a human mutt? What has United's display in the UCL final gotta do with Real Madrid swallowing 6 goals at the Bernebau??
Was Messi/Riquelme executed when Argentina lost 3-0 to Brazil in 2007?
At least, United still had a catalog of trophies to show for it in 2008/9.
Madrid conceded 6 goals on the back of a trophyless season. . . . .Shame on you!!![/quote]Whatever makes you sleep at night. undecided
I 've learnt to never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 10:14pm On Jun 15, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4033441#msg4033441 date=1245098210]U have the brain capacity of your pubic louse.[/quote]Sorry didn't know you had pubic lice undecided

Did u itemise why you feel Ramos is better than his peers.
Before you point a finger, examine yourself carefully. . . . . .What a spaz!!!
You are so poor in spirit, rainbow appears to you in black n white.
Please check the definition and use of the word. English comprehension is not as difficult as you make it seem.

This animal is suffering from acute self-deception.
Everything in Real Madrid is better than what the world has to offer.
What was Ramos contribution when Real Madrid raped em without condoms at your Bernebau? 6 goals in one game?? grin grin grin
The whole team played badly in that game, so you cant hang him for that, else we should execute the entire club (plus fans) for manU's disgraceful display at the UCL final.
SportsRe: Italy Vs Usa ( Fifa Should Explain The Offside Rule) by biina: 9:15pm On Jun 15, 2009
Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

The italian player was deemed to be in active play as his presence influenced the actions of the US defender.

Please see http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 8:35pm On Jun 15, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274347.msg4032808#msg4032808 date=1245091365]Shut the Bleep up with your Real Madrid bullshit.
Ramos is the most useless RB in the world.
Bosingwa shits on Ramos every day of the week.  Bacary Sagna is even better(not forgetting Zambrotta).
Aggression ain't skills.[/quote]Typical of your usual rants - declarative statements with no substance. undecided

If you feel there are RBs better than Ramos, you should itemize in which areas they are better, and not just run your mouth of.
But then, it shouldn't be surprising, coming from someone suffering from chronic fanboism, that makes him delusional enough to say Rafael is better than Alves undecided

Bosingwa and Zambrotta are both good (better than Alves and Maicon IMO) but I dont see them being better than Ramos.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Between Maradona, Zidane And Ronaldinho, Who Is Best Playmaker Ever? by biina: 7:32pm On Jun 15, 2009
for playmaking, Zidane is the obvious choice.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Douglas Maicon (inter) Vs. Dani Alves (barcelona) Who's Better? by biina: 7:08pm On Jun 15, 2009
Overall, Ramos is the best RB in the world. He is better defensively than most including maicon and alves, not bad going forward, just 24, has good aerial abilities, and can also play as a central defender.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Champions Of England! by biina: 9:18am On Jun 15, 2009
MrCrackles:
You really think so?
The glazers are ruthless businessmen and making profit or lining thier own pockets come first! grin and last
grin
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA) military training (pics) by biina: 6:36am On Jun 15, 2009
Military training is never pretty anywhere in the world.
PoliticsRe: Fashola Tells Jakande, Others To Go To Court by biina: 6:15am On Jun 15, 2009
I think the pension and gratuity should be in line with what is obtainable in the civil service of the state. It is absurd for an ex-governor to have the same entitlement as the incumbent.
The provisions should duly be revoked. This is the kind of issues that the opposition need to push for.

As to retro activeness, I feel all past elected governors should be entitled to the same benefits. They held similar office and thus should be entitled to same benefits and pension. The only way to argue against retro- activeness is to exclude the incumbent when the law was passed. Incumbent goes with the past, and not the future.
SportsRe: Nba Season '08/09 by biina: 1:37am On Jun 15, 2009
Hopefully the lakers put them out of their misery tonight. Magic's game 4 finish was damn disappointing.

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