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Image123:
@bindex
Please how has science clearly demonstrated that humans could not descend from Adam? Postulations and graphical extrapolations are not proofs of nothing.

You claim that it is a fact that all men decended from Adam so its up to you to show us how the people in China decended from Adam. Remember there is no mention of the people of China in the whole of the bible. The borden of proof lies on you not me.

olabowale:
@Okija_juju: You are a mind reader now. You know everything. I guess you are better than Jesus about knowing the future. please tell us. We don't know.

Haaaaaaaaaaaa! The madness of ignorance. What is the thought of an ignorant person when he believes he knows everything, including the future?

Can you for once think for yourself and stop spewing nonsensical Islamic drivel? Is this all you know? Jesus is man and not God, God has no son etc who told you that your Imaginary Allah is Superior to Jesus or Jehova? Apart form the convoluted set of beliefs you have what other evidence do you have to show that Allah is that which you believe he is?

olabowale:
@Dayokanu: And there used to be a time that no one in this USA could ever imagined a black man at the helm. Today, Barack[b]allah [/b] Hussaine Obama, a Somali blood through Kenya, is now the incoming President.

Why are you adding the name of your killer God to the name of Barack? are you completely insane? Somali blood through kenya why not a Saudi blood through Kenya? the next thing we are going to hear from you delusional goons is that Barack was born beside the ka'aba, must you keep on deluding yourself for as long as you live? What the Bleep is wrong with this misrable salves of Allah? your insanity knows no bounds.

Ibime:
I am still waiting for CNN to tell me that Harry Reid said he wants an "all white senate". . . . all I know is that he refused 3 black guys for the seat because he didn't think they were re-electable in the 2012 elections. . . . I would like you guys to give me some url where Harry Reid said any such thing. . . . and I will not accept uhuru.com or blackpanther.com

This post surely looks like a post from one of those sites.

No one can bridge race gaps in America without paying homage to Reverend Martin Luther King. No one, not even the President-Elect. He can try but he cannot circumvent it without incurring some political liabilities along the way. MLK day is on the 19th, the day before inauguration. I sincerely believe that President-Elect Barack Obama should honor the memory of MLK and reward the Black community for their support of his campaign by doing just one thing on inauguration day, take oath of office on MLK's old Bible. This gesture will resoundingly re-commit the Black community behind him, especially at their disgruntle over his choice of Rick Warren to deliver the invocation prayer at inauguration. It is becoming increasingly clear that Obama has an agenda and the word Black is not in it. What more, he walked away from Jeremiah Wright and embraced Rick Warren of all the multitude Black pastors out there.

Obama is now President elect because of what the blacks did for him, but he is not a civil rights leader as some one has pointed out but the president of the united states. So African Americans should take it easy on the guy, he already has a LOT on his table, from the economic crises to the two wars and the boiling conflict in the middle east, he also has to find a sensible and prudent way of dealing with Iran . He defiantly has more issues to worry about than burris and blogoivich.

Bobbyaf:
Posted by: bindex

First of all don't compare populations of different nations today as against what they were over 2000 years ago. It so happened that Europe then at the time the RCC was developing was the most centered place. They were the most dominant of nations. That was the place to be so to speak.

But let's say for argument sake that there were other crowded regions, it still wouldn't affect the prophecy that the RCC came out of a more populated region at first, than say the US which came out of a less populated region. The chapter says that the lamb-like beast came out of the earth signifying a less populated region.

Sorry, we were looking at it from very different perspective, while you were looking at it from a prophetic angle I was looking at it the other way round. Sorry for intruding you guys should carry on with your debate.

Sea here means a very large population. Revelation uses water to represent peoples and nations, etc. The RCC first started in Europe which had the greater of the world's population.

This assertion is very false, With the population of places like China, India and the whole of Asia, Africa and the Americas(North and South), I know for sure that Europe has never at any time in the history of the world had the greater percentage of the world's population. This assertion is not true.

tarezulu:
Does "Image" mean that the Almighty changes His laws from time to time? If so how does that make Him perfect. A simple explanation would do and I hope " Image " understands what perfection is.

Image will say anything at any time that will try and give legitimacy to or rationalize his God definition of perfectness, God is perfect yet he decided to use a very imperfect system even by his own standard(sin of incest) to spread people around the world, when does stealing become a right thing to do?(according to the bible its ok to steal the things of non Jews during a war) what about killing(Its ok to kill non Jews according to some passages of the bible)? if stealing and killing of the innocent are wrong even before Abraham what makes incest right? Science has CLEARLY demonstrated that all men could not have descended from from one man and woman since incest will eventually lead to the extermination of the human race thereby refuting the biblical assertion, can you go ahead and tell us how all men descended from Adam? Apart from over simplifying  things with words like "let there be light and there was light" or and "God scattered the people all over the world", what detailed explanation do Christians really have to show us that their assertions are true? Have you ever read the Moslem's version of the creation story? It sure makes MUCH more sense than that of the bible but does that make it true? Every body can make simplistic assertions, I could say (and convince a large number of people) due to my ignorance that the thunder is the roar of the Gods when ever Its raining or when ever they want to pass a message across to their creation but that doesn't make it right even if billions of people the world over believe it does it?

Image123:
So it really beats your imagination that the yorubas migrated from a non yoruba tribe in Asia.thats sad

Thats not what we are talking about here, all i asked is for you to show how it is possible for all men to have decended from one man(Adam). By the way what is the name of the non yoruba tribe in Asia that the youruba tribe migrated from? Is there any archeological evidence to support you assertions? n_nwanko should you that it is not possible for all men to have decended from one man, but all you have been saying is the hogwash you have memorized from your pastors and the bible. Prove that all men came from Adam and all we have been hearing is that God this and God that, you guys are not serious. You don't believe that prophet Mohammed divided the moon into two halves but you believe that all men decended from Adam.

chukwudi44:
christianity owes its existence to the roman catholic church ,if not for the crusades under taken by the church the whole of europe and indeed the entire world would have been islamised by now.rather than being  criticized ,the catholic church should be commended for it's role in the growth of christianity

This is very true.

Image123:
@bindex
stop copying and pasting, can you?think for yourself mr.I'm sure you're aware of the history of the yoruba people/tribe for example.if you're not then get aware.Does their descendancy from Asia beat your understanding?aa,such hypocrisy.This took just couple of centuries and There's a wide gap already.Are you aware of the yorubas in Nigeria,the ones in Togo and the ones in South America.Less than a century ago,FYI they were together.Bring them together and compare how different they're already looking like. Mr learner,there's something called change,there's something called mutation,there's something called philology,there's something called migration.Go and figure

Go ahead and prove to me that the yorubas descended from Asia, The yorubas in South America were taken there during slavery, you point is ridiculous, the yorubas in Togo, Benin and Ghana are all the same people, who migrated just like tha Hausas in Cameroun, Nigeria and Ghana. Apart from words and belief what else have you got to show that all men decended from Adam? Science has shown that the bible assertion is FACTUALLY not true.

duduspace:
Haba, Bindex are yu that desperate? let her grieve for the exit of her dear Mazaje for a while first.
Your friend wey leave him wife with you don enter wahala han han!!!

Mazaje is a very good friend, so now that he is gone from here I can go ahead and inherit his wife.

Image123:
@bindex
sorry I have to sleep.I wish you could be available for discussions and not just post and run.I don't owe you any explanations[b].But let me say this to U Men descended from Adam through his reproductions with Eve.[/b]Thats CLEAR if only you'll think for yourself and not stay under the bigotry of unbelief.God declared that moses was his best friend and then immediately wanted to kill him?Obviously,you've not been reading the bible but copying and pasting.anyway good night for now. You PRAY that I'm chanced to see your replies tomorrow.to God of course

Men decended from Adam through his reproduction with Eve? how? That is FACTUALLY not possible. Can you please go ahead and tell me how the Chinese decended from Adam a person from the middle east who's existence is very questionable(same with most of the other biblical patriarchs )?  What about the Indians? did they also decended from Adam too? This is riddiculous I must say. So the bibleGod used incest(sin) to spread men into the world only to later realize that sin was what he used to help spread men into the world and change his mind? Remember that Abraham married his half sister, Lots children commited incest with him etc.

I like the way this points out the structure of a typical theist conversation;

Theist: I'm right.

Atheist: OK. Show me.

Theist: Well, you don't know everything.

Atheist: I didn't say I knew everything. What do you have to prove your case?

Theist: See, you don't know everything , so I may as well be right!

Atheist: Do you have any evidence?

Theist: The arrogance! You materialists, you naturalists, you make no sense! God will take care of you!

Atheist: *facepalm*

Who are the true Christains if i may ask? the catholics or the protestants? This is a very funny thread.

Image123:
God does what He pleases.Be blessed

Like trying to kill his best friend Moses? does that sound sensible to you. After the BibleGod decleared Moses his best friend the next minute he wanted to kill him. Does this act also fall under the bibleGod's action of doing what ever he pleases?

@ Image
Will you try to reason for yourself and stop spewing rubbish that will never make sense? gosh. Can you explain to us how all men decended from adam?

It's true that davidylan lies alot, but he is no different from the hamas and hezbollah terrorist that lie a lot too.

Hassan Nasrallah is a coward.

Davidylan is right, the Moslem thugs should be taught a great lesson they believe that Allah sent them to conqure the world for him and enforce sharia. Deluded fools.

Muhammad on his death bed - “The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until you make war on the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or tree, and the rock or tree will say: Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, here is a Jew behind me, kill him!’

Is Allah masturbating or what? where is he? Pls moslems should PRAY and tell Allah to stop masturbating and come and kill off all the Jew since his slaves can not.

Where is Allah? I guess he is sleeping. Hamas leaders should wake Allah up from his slumber, so that he can come and help them.

busybein:
@mazaje

who cares if u r a millionaire,or not,who cares if u r going to be travelling round d world or not?


abeg go ojare,make we see road


@christians

thumbs up to y'all,we all won a very good battle,when two powers jam d lesser one will bow

Busybein come and be my wife now that Mazaje is out of the secene, I also have a magic stick.

Busybein baby whats up? come make wild and hot love to me

mazaje:
there is also controversy over the time (9am vs 12noon),

@ Lady how does writing to different audience explain this contrary and formal contradictions?

Mark 15:25, It was nine o'clock in the morning when they crucified him.

John 19:13-14, When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus outside, Now it was the day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was about noon. (When Jesus was about to be crucified).

*osisi*:
May the Lord destroy any one of them that dares to lay hands on innocent Christians and cause mayhem this 2009 .
Amen!
enough is enough

Where has you lord been all these years that they slaves of Allah have been killing his beloved innocnet children? the only people/authority that can stop them from killing is the kano state govvernment if the choose to. your imaginary lord can not save his beloved children when the slaves of Allah decided to go on rampage peroid.

mazaje:
@lady

all you have done is dance around, perform some mental gymnastics and promote you catholic dogma.

Mazaje yane?

mazaje:
will be back when you are done causing trouble on the sexual and sexuality forum abi?

She is one of the trouble makers on that forum.

duduspace:
Which of the skies? troposphere?, lithosphere? ionosphere? the nearest star or the farthest star? the nearest Galaxy or the farthest? or they are the same to you?

Image123:
then you don't believe in Jacob's miracle or in miracles,well sorry.I believe in miracles and have seen undeniable ones.the foolishness and weak methods of God is stronger and wiser than the greatest strength and intelligence of men.I'm sure you don't believe a virgin can give birth to a man.well thats what we call a miracle.supernatural.above natural.greater than sight or reason.

Please can you go ahead and tell us about the undeniable miracles you have seen or witness?

mazaje:
what kind of miracle? wrapping a baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck so that the baby was not receiving oxygen or arranging the oxygen-deprived baby in a breech position,?

Mazaje yane? since christains believe that the bible God creates people, I wonder what the innocent baby did to him that he decided to wrap the baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck so that the baby was not receiving oxygen or arranging the deprived baby in a breech position. Any way since the bible God is on record for trying to kill his best friend moses for no good reason I believe wrapping a baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck and depriving the baby of oxygen will not be a difficult thing for him to do.

mazaje:
it seems you don't know how nigerians LOVE to believe, its SCARY, the worst part is that apart from words of mouth and the spiritual comfort it gives some of them they really have nothing to show for it. most pray for healing, safety, children, security, comfort etc but non comes their way and nothing is there to show for their endless prayers. nigeria still remains one of the poorest, most corrupt country where hardship, misery and lack of value for human life is prevalent amongst other nations of the world.  in fact all they have now is the believe that they will enjoy in heaven whe they die. when white people(europeans) fall sick they go to their doctors and they are always trying to develop their already very high standard of medical delivery system, if they are barren and want children they go for ivf or use surrogate mothers if their womb is completely damaged. They don't have to pray to any god or gods for security( yet they are far more secured than nigerians that are living in a very precarious society where u could get killed at any time despite all their prayers to go for safety), when  faced with discomfort they visit  therapist for help. religion is more like a culture in nigeria. its seriously killing the people, its making the people to kill and reject each other but they are still blindly following it without knowing what they are doing. it all boils down to the very high level of ignorance, close mindedness and poverty that is prevalent in nigeria. the government is dead and the only authority the people can cry to for help is that of their various gods but the way they are going about it is really CRAZY.

Mazaje ka gama fadan komai wallahi gaba dai ba su san abun da suke yi ba,this is why religion is popular among the poor, their lives are utter garbage and so they cling to the hope that after they die, they will live happily ever after .zan kira ka da number da ka bani. sai gobe ke nan.

Jesus died for our sins. They are already paid for. We are obligated to sin, otherwise, his suffering will have been in vain. It would be like poor parents who scrimp and save for their child to go to university, only to have him drop out in his first year. It would be a giant disappointment for them.

Moreover, we do not want to cheapen his sacrifice by committing small and ordinary sins, like impure thoughts, swearing or not praying. Jesus Christ did not die for those simple sins. I doubt he would have endured a nail and thorns for those. We should get as much mileage as possible out of it, go for the big sins, the deadliest and bad ones.

If we do not, it is like going to an all-inclusive resort, but sleeping on the floor, skipping the expensive dinner, and not going to the beach or riding in the expensive cars available at the resort. That would be a total waste. To not do so is to mock God and Jesus because God sent Jesus to come and die for all of our sins(sin has been defeated). We owe it to god to make every sin count to show how much we appreciate his sacrifice. What do you guys think?

m_nwankwo:
@Bindex,

Thanks for sharing your story. It is indeed sad that we humans use religion as a dress to cover the most heinious crimes. However it is important that you consider that all the experiences you went through both in Nigeria and europe are not enough reason(s) to convert from theism to atheism. What those experiences have done is to blast away the concepts of GOD that you learned from moslem and christian religions. Concepts of God are however not God itself. I think you should continue to search for God until you find indisputable evidence that he exists or does not exist. The search for God is personal. The questions you raised in your posts can be addressed at some point. To be an atheist, one must exhaust all possiblitiies of knowing and since it is impossible to know everything, the best one can do when one does not yet have enough evidence for the existence of God is to say he does not know and continue the search for God. Best wishes.

I am not a christain but lets assume I am one. since I can not see God I try to see him through his words(the bible). This is what God said in the bible

Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered. 20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked. 21 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

I have already made the point that I used to lay my hand on friends or family that were sick and suffering but nothing happened. When the hausa killers came into the church to kill my friends do you know what one of my friends said? he said that Jesus is going to prove that he is alive today by sending his angels to blind the eyes of the bastard killers and slaves of that dangerous Allah he urged the rest to just go ahead and pray. He repeated the part of the verse I highlighted and smiled believing that God will save them. I have NEVER seen that kind of faith in my life I must confess. Dele was not scared at all. even when the guys were beating and maiming their body parts they were still praying. We have people like pastor adeboye lying that God told him to keep on driving his car for over 300km on an empty tank, we have pastors all over the world claiming to have healed and performed miracles behind close doors. If that is true(which is clearly a lie) do the miracle healers that we have all around the world worship a different God than my friends? or do they read a different bible? I have never seen that kind of faith which my friend exhibited in my life. They refused to beg they just prayed and believed that God will miraculously save them. I have so many reasons to believe that all religions are a farce. Do you know that there are hundred of millions of people that have never heard about Jesus, bible and Christianity? billions have died with out knowing that there is a religion called Christianity, same goes for Islam. They were all created by men. If only we will open our eyes and see, the truth is starring at us right in our faces. I must admit that it takes a very strong mind to do away with such beliefs. Those beliefs are people's lives thats why they kill others and themselves for their beliefs, Its not easy to tell a person to throw away his life.