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Janosky:
We shall continue to learn and grow in wisdom.
John 16:16-18 . Luke 24:25-27,45 , Jesus Christ continued to teach the disciples until his ascension.
Man and his limitations.
Learning never ends.

Yes.
@the bolded, let me complete that by adding - Learning never ends but the truth remains the truth.

Janosky:
In that case, Christ was an angel on earth just as Janosky is now

Correct.

shadeyinka:
Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?

Blessed art thou shadeyinka, men did not reveal this to you but the wisdom of God.

3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Another one! Oh, you deserve a bottle of Odeku.

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

They've made it unfruitful, you should have taken it up for essence, not just to listen to them.

Janosky:
******
Bros , don't be too dogmatic about this.
John 7:16 Anyone sent by God is a messenger, a delegate, envoy of God. In that sense, whether a human or spirit being, he is still God's angel in the sense that he was given a mission to accomplish.

Shush! Did he become a man or did he not?
By the way, I was 100% clear on my use of word "angel" - you see me always use the phrase "angelic creature just like Gabriel".
Hahahahahahaha, you want to run.

Even in heaven , post resurrection, Jesus Christ was given a mission to accomplish.

Like I said - I was very clear with my use of the word "angel".

In a broad sense he is an Angel, na his Father's assignment he is doing in heaven as High Priest.
*******

You are an angel yourself. You have an assignment to take the good news to unbelievers and preach the Gospel.

However, that's not what we are on about. For the last time ,I was clear about my use of the word " angels ".

Haddeylium:

All these effort you put into this Epistles just to prove nothing.

So, this is all your 'I'll be back , I'll be back you into since' grin

That summary is yours not mine

This is my word!

They will be like angels in that, they will be having a spiritual body with immortality

They will rule with Jesus as King on the Earth for 1000yrs! [l


https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200608/Do-Humans-Become-Angels-When-They-Die/

That's is the link to the article posted out of context for others to verify.

You need to be humble for Jw to make you understand all these. No joke



Matt 12:25)For when they rise from the dead, neither do men nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in the heavens.



*. Even though they're like Angels as against their old. They're quite distinct from other Angels...why



1.this 144,000 will ruling as immortal kings and priests with Christ. (Not the others Angels)(1 Corinthians 6:3)

2.They have authority as judges , Even they are judging some fallen Angels too sef (Revelation 20:6)
Do you now see why I said you need a Jw to make you understand this?

Emí ìka, hahahahahahaha. In your mind you thought you've finally got a breathing space and a cave where you can hide - in fact, you are exactly where I want you to be.

Now you said, the summary I gave you was not your belief, that the only thing you stated was that the heavenly ressurected are like angels, you never called them angelic creatures like Gabriel.
On the other hand, your brother max didn't see this bobby trap he fell for it and he is going about saying the heavenly ressurected will become angelic creatures just like Gabriel Any difference? Yes, Max said the only difference is their position is higher.
Smiles, I thought you said all of you believe the same thing.

Well Haddey, you can't go forward anymore (to call them angelic creatures just like Gabriel) and you can't go back (well, provided you still prefer falsehood to truth)

Now declare if you have wisdom, since these beings are just like angels and not angelic creatures, what are they?
Tell me, what kind of being are the heavenly ressurected? Yes, they are like Gabriel in some aspect but have higher position, what exactly are they?

You can't run, it's the truth chasing you, you can't just escape.

Holy scriptures: The world to come is not subjected to any angelic creature or creatures

Jesus was make better than other Angels and exulted above his peers? (Heb 1:4,9)
who are his peers?

You've stopped shadowboxing (since it's sinking) and jumped to cherrypicking and false eisegesis, anywhere you go, I will whip you silly.

Hebrews 2
5. For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak
6. But one in a certain place testified saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him.
7. Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and first set him over the works of thy hands
8. Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him

The one who was made a little lower than the angels was also the same man that GOD subjected everything to, gave honor and set him over the works of his hands -
Who was that?
Man! Christ Jesus! The son of man!
I don't care what he was before he came to earth, when he was glorified, he was glorified as a son of man not an angel!
Except you will argue that the Son of man is not a man but an angel - that is to say, Christ Jesus never came to earth as a man but an angel.
Go on, take shelter there, hahahahahahaha.

Jehovah has elevated Jesus position to be the king of God's kingdom (These is not given to other angels)...So. Rest!

Bartimus!
Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God
This was post ressurection! What kind of being was sitting at the right hand of the power of God? A Man!

Perhaps, you can say Jesus was joking or he drank too much wine when he made that statement, here is Stephen confirming that it was son of man that was sitting at the right hand of God
Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the son of man standing on the right hand of God.

When was that? After ressurection or during his time on earth?

Let me open your eyes again, even at his second coming, he is coming back as a man, not an angel!
Matthew 24:30
"And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven: and then shall all tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

I don't care if he was angel Michael before his time on earth, but after ressurection, the being he became cannot be an angel!
Go ahead, tell me Jesus never became man.
Go ahead, declare if you have wisdom in you.
Like I said, in this quest for truth, you are going to be needing a lot of wisdom.

Christ Jesus never functioned as high priest until the new covenant was made (after he died and ressurected), he is not to perform his high priest duty as an angel!

1 Tim 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus
Go ahead, tell me if our mediator and high priest is an angel.

Let me see how much wisdom you've got and the source it came from.
Let me see if you will prefer to write a new bible than accept the truth.

By the way, kiss this again!
Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne

Who is your God? The GB or Jehovah?
Go ahead and test your wisdom against Jehovah's.
Go ahead and say He never swore the oath.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29 is still your nightmare.

Is this your last resort?
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, be humbled by the above first, you will hold the truth soon.

All others there hold no water

Clown.

You've been avoiding this question...

So, what's Jesus position in heaven as the non-trinitarian you claimed to be?...Curve it

The spirit of wisdom has enlightened you - He is a new man, the King to sit on the throne of Israel forever.

PS: The heavenly ressurected will also be a new creation, a new man, with higher glory and honor than any Angel - that includes the archangel Michael.

The apple of God's eye in all his creations is man - that was what amused David.

Humble yourself and learn - Many angels also needed redemption! If Angelic creatures were the deal, the savior would have become an angel, if he was already one (perhaps Michael), he will remain an angel and just go on with the works of salvation.

However, it was written in the scriptures - He took not the nature of an angel but flesh-and-blood.....

Janosky:
Braggadocio
Puffed up with pride

You shared with us what JWs taught you ( you try I must say), na JW teachings you take dey brag about, if to say na pastpreneurs teach you, NL no go hear word.

For your mind, hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha.
Who told you I bought that shit on your article?
I was using that to pull Max's leg who fell into my bobby trap.
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

You don't cease to amaze me, do you?

MuttleyLaff:
Here I thought Blabbermouth was bad, but here's you Kobojunkie, competing with him for this infamy status.

The guy is caliing us puppets, yet he was on another thread talking about how one can choose to be obedient. The "junkie" in his moniker says a lot.

AkinwaleJJ:
No sir, unlike the 144,000 who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven, my own hope is to live as a sister, wife and mother on earth!

Since I will be in charge of your district as one of the Joint-Heirs with Christ, I will find you a good man.

MaxInDHouse:
I have a earthly hope Sir, so i'm not going to heaven!

Alright. You can always send me a message asking "How does Christ look like? What does it feel like to always be before his presence?" kind of questions.
You are a good boy, I will be gisting you through an angel.

Blabbermouth wo lé bi trailer, adventure pèlu thriller.
I'm back guys, una go hear am.

Let me go to DappaD's thread, I loved something Emusan said there, I might share it here.
By the way, I might throw in some light there to, why tarry here? Let's go there and catch some fun.

MaxInDHouse:
Mama Ajérìí said i should allow you to breathe so feel relax my guy Jehovah's Witnesses won't force anyone to accept the truth, the only problem is your truth will only remain your PERSONAL opinion when Jesus is gathering his own followers together in the real TRUTH! John 17:17, 20-23

Sweetheart, I hope you become an angelic creature. Alll the best.

Janosky:
2 Chronicles 7:14. Acts 15:14. Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) is the only Ekklesia Jehovah recognizes..
Acts3:13, Jesus is one of them

Another witness should speak, I'm tired of whipping you.

AkinwaleJJ:
Thanks for sharing your time with Jehovah's witnesses Mr blabbermouth!

Future angelic creature, when you become one, greet Gabriel for me

Janosky:
The one you learnt from JWs which you have given the evidence on this thread

I remember you, you and Haddey were my lab rat - we have babes in false doctrines and Matured ones in falsehood.
Even in falsehood, you are a babe.

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's JWs for you!

We are the one and only organization that you must look up to anytime anyday!

You were not God's plan.
Let that sink in - Max, if your days are young, you will see me. Your organization will not survive that wave, I just hope I don't slack and God picks me to spearhead.

AkinwaleJJ:
No matter what you say Max, blabbermouth isn't ready to learn, so why not just ignore the rebel?

Woman, what has he said? What has he taught me?
God's wisdom cannot be matched, max's own was insufficient - like I warned his brother, in the quest for truth, much wisdom is needed and I've got that of God in me.
Let anyone of you speak if you have wisdom. Thou knowest not what salvation is, if you knew, God's wisdom would have dawned on you.

MaxInDHouse:
Before coming to the earth Michael (Jesus) already have a higher position than the rest of the angels {John 17:5} but after his earthly assignment he earned something far greater than the position he held before, how? There has never been a time a name was given with which we should approach God's throne! Philippians 2:10

Remember that all humans are supposed to approach God through mouth to mouth instructions we receive from our earthly father "Adam" he supposed to be the direct link to our Grand Father (God) but Adam laid a bad foundation (disobedience) which led all humans to death! Romans 5:12
So for Jesus to have reconnected that lost link, he now replaced Adam, that's why God's word referred to him as "last Adam" 1Corinthians 15:45

I read this again and I laughed hard - you don't know what salvation is.

MaxInDHouse:
No one is forcing you to reply Sir!

So present a better performing group than JWs, that's the same way your ancestors (Pharisees) were pointing accusing fingers at Jesus saying he is contradicting God's word, yet they can't present a better performing Messiah till today!

Just like other denominations, yours was also not God's plan.
In an Ekklesia, there are no denominations.

MaxInDHouse:
You're replying my guy because the cheap point you thought you've gotten has been rubbished so you don't know what next to say!

You didn't rubbish anything, your wisdom was not sufficient - it was that of mere men.

MaxInDHouse:
Is this not the same way you and your folks kept saying we contradicted the words of our God?
Yet the one and only organization where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns is JWs, the same group you are claiming is contradicting God's word, yet Jesus warned rebellious ones like you saying "if they don't get it right, you won't notice the fruit in their midst" Matthew 7:16-18

Mr Blabbermouth, you can never understand the Bible or any of our publications unless we teach you!

I am dignifying you with a reply because I like you. You are trying to save the face of JW after they've been forced to eat dust, but I will leave you to it, the truth sure bites hard.

MaxInDHouse:
You can't understand our teachings if you're not ready to learn from those sent to teach you one on one. That's why we must study our publications with you before you can understand what the faithful and discreet slave is dishing out!
"They will become like angels" says Jesus the son of God {Luke 20:34-36} so what JWs are saying is this humans going to start a new life in heaven will receive honour more than angels because what Satan and the demons so much desire which made them rebelled against God (ruling lesser beings i.e humans) these 144,000 have earned it from God through their faith in the blood of Jesus Christ! Revelations 12:11

So they earned for themselves higher position than the angels but according to Jesus they will also become angels but their level is higher, just as Michael the archangel has higher position than the rest of the angels yet he himself still remains angel! Jude 9

The only angel having authority higher than this new angels is Michael and that's because he is the one who volunteered himself to serve as the sacrificial lamb slaughtered to redeem the 144,000 to become angels and occupy the places the fallen angels were driven from, for your information that's what Jesus meant when he said "i am going to prepare a place for you" {John 14:1-4} God made heavens and everything there was perfect so it's those driven away from their that gave those going there the opportunity to be there. That's what Paul meant when he said "we will judge angels" 1Corinthians 6:3
So Watchtower taught us that the judges will surely be higher in position than the judged!

You called God a liar.
He said he isn't giving the world to come to angels, goodnight.

Janosky, my fingers hurt from the last post I sent. I don't have the time to keep whipping you with God's wisdom.

That Corinthians scripture you keep posting gels with the truth I exposed before, but I will have to power my laptop again.

MaxInDHouse:
Before coming to the earth Michael (Jesus) already have a higher position than the rest of the angels {John 17:5} but after his earthly assignment he earned something far greater than the position he held before, how? There has never been a time a name was given with which we should approach God's throne! Philippians 2:10

Remember that all humans are supposed to approach God through mouth to mouth instructions we receive from our earthly father "Adam" he supposed to be the direct link to our Grand Father (God) but Adam laid a bad foundation (disobedience) which led all humans to death! Romans 5:12
So for Jesus to have reconnected that lost link, he now replaced Adam, that's why God's word referred to him as "last Adam" 1Corinthians 15:45

It's not about position, works or all those dilly dallying nonsense.

You said something contradicting your GB, take back your statement.

Janosky:
1,2. : 2 Corinthians 12 heaven, Paul says he doesn't know, " whether in the body I can NOT tell" only God knows.

Cheers. In the body, you lost. Out of the body, you lost. Take your L in peace and we will meet in another thread.

Hope you don't continue with your angel Michael fallacy, angel Michael (if he stays an angel) cannot become the king of the earth, no kingdom for him.

Adiós.

Janosky:


Thanks for your time and effort to bring this out..

We learn every day.
Shalom.

Your governing bodies knew Christ Jesus resurrected as a being far higher than an angel.
"Christ Jesus is the Last (or second) Adam" - that's the mystery you did not decode.

MuttleyLaff:
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You and your soft watery shit

Even in its liquid form, it breaks down falsehood.
By the way, your gif has been a blessing, do well to dish out more of them (most hilarious ones).

Janosky:
2 Corinthians 12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago (whether in the body, i cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell; God knows) such one caught up to the third heaven. ,

Paul says "whether in the body, I can not tell, he doesn't know how everything TRANSPIRED.
Wetin Paul no know finish, Blabbermouth is shadowboxing.

According to Paul, it could have been
1. In the body (Flesh and blood) - Bobo mi Janosky, where is the third heavens? I thought you guys claim flesh and blood don't go to heaven
2. Out of the body - if it was out of the body,was it his emotions that was caught up to heaven? Was it is mind?
You are boring me already, I thought your shit was strong before.

Lamentations 1:20
“See, O Lord, how distressed I am!My spirit is deeply disturbed;My heart is overturned within me and cannot rest,For I have been very rebellious.In the street the sword kills and bereaves;In the house there is [famine, disease and] death!

So? Just like the spirits of angels, a man's spirit can be disturbed.

Daniel 2:1
In the second year (604 b.c.) of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams which troubled and disturbed his spirit and [interfered with] his ability to sleep.

Is this your best shot? Gerrarahia man.

Daniel 4:5
I saw a dream and it made me afraid; and the fantasies and thoughts and the visions [that appeared] in my mind as I lay on my bed kept alarming me.

So? Thou art boring Janosky.

Daniel 4:5 is similar to John receiving the account he wrote in Revelations.

Saith the JFT bible.

The word "Spirit" has more than 4 different meanings in the holy Scriptures. No use am joke. Go & learn ,Bros.

Hahahahahahaha
"And Lord Jesus cried out saying - Lord into thy hands do I commend my spirit emotions" - Luke 23:46 (JFT version)

"Lord Jesus, receive my spirit breathe of life" - Acts 7:59

Is the breathe of life for Stephen? Or is it for Angel Michael?
You can't hide bro, I will whip you with lashes of wisdom till you kiss the truth.

Revelations 3:5,12,21. John 20:17. Ephesians 1:3. 3:14-15. 4:6.
In his post, We can see that Blabbermouth knows what Jesus Christ in heaven doesn't know and Paul doesn't know.
Issorait !

JFT bible is at work.
Where any apostle called Christ Jesus ressurected an angelic creature is what you should cough up.

MuttleyLaff:
Blabbermouth thats still enjoying his forced sabbatical.

PS: Oh, looks like he actually has finished serving his ban, lmso.

I'm back bro, and my shit is as strong as ever.

MaxInDHouse:
The are now angels nah!

God transformed Jesus into a human promised to transform the born again Christians into angels simple!

haddeylium:
I don't know I would have to spoon-feed you this way..
Summary
haddeylium: Jesus ressurected as an angelic creature and is now an angel in heaven. Also, the heavenly ressurected ones are angelic creatures just like angel Gabriel

My heart is inditing a good matter; yea, I speak of excellent things, my tongue is as the pen of a ready writer.
Before proceeding to reasoning from the scripture by the spirit of truth, i think there is need for a good laugh first.
Not adding a single word and not taking a single word away, here is something from a certified jw article from their org:

"A few humans have the hope of being ressurected to life in heaven (the heavenly ressurection haddeylium talked about). Their number is small - 144,000 in all. However, these 144,000 are quite distinct from those creatures commonly called angels."
Here is another one from another certified JW article ftrom their org:
"Misconception: People become angels when they die
Fact: Angels are a separate creation of God, not ressurected humans. (Colossians 1:16) People who are raised to life in heaven receive the gift of immortal life from God. (1 Corinthians 15:53, 54) They will have a status higher than the angels. - 1 Corinthians 6:3"

haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours - they believe the heavenly ressurected ones are going to be higher beings than angels, they believe the heavenly resurrected will not resurrect as an angel but as an higher being. What is the dog going to do now? Will you stay loyal to your masters and admit that believing the heavenly ressurected will become angels is false? Are you going to be egoistic, disown your governing bodies?
If you are taking your answers back, declare! if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being will the heavenly ressurected become?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being has the Lord of the heavenly ressurected become?
haddeylium, i did warn you - in the quest for truth you will be needing a lot of wisdom, let's see the one you have - that of mere men or of God
Either you are wrong or your organization is wrong, it's a win-win situation for the servant to truth.

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1. The being that is going to sit on the throne of David forever cannot be an angel!
For God himself has sworn
Acts 2:30 - "Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne
Jeremiah 33:17 -"For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel'

Hey beloved, Jesus the Christ never sat on the throne of David in his first coming, so there is no room for peddling the falsehood that the verse was talking about Jesus first coming.
O ye that proclaim Jesus an angelic creature, do show whose wisdom is in you - that of the Antichrist or of God. Does an angel have flesh? How then can an angelic creature sit on the throne of David? Declare if you have wisdom in you - Which creature will sit on the throne of the house of Israel forever.
If Christ Jesus resurrected remained an angelic creature forever, he will never be the one to sit on that throne.

2. The world to come is not subjected to any angelic creature or creatures
Hebrews 2:5 - "For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak"
The Lord of the earth cannot be an angelic creature neither can the heavenly resurrected be angels. If the supposed lord of the earth is an angelic creature, the scripture said the world is not given to angels, if he remains an angel, the world to come will never be subjected to him.
The scripture said we are heirs of God, and Joint heirs with Christ, if we (who the world to come is subjected to) become angels, then the scripture is not fulfilled and God is a liar. God forbid!
If Christ resurrected as an angelic creature, he will never inherit the promise and God will be a liar.

3. The heavenly resurrected (at least) will become greater than every angelic creature. If Christ remain an angelic creature, then the least of the heavenly resurrected ones will be greater than Christ
For the psalmist testified of this, saying
Psalms 8:4-7
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5. For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet
For the promise and the good news above was not for any angel but for man (generally) and the last Adam (specifically), if the ones to receive this promise then become angels - is salvation not a joke?

There are more bullets to shoot but ye are dull of hearing, for if thou art not convicted in the plain words of God, how shall thou then understand the hard meat?

Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being did Christ Jesus ressurect as?
Gird up thy loins and answer me, ye that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge - did God subject the new world to angels or to man?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - Does our high priest abide as an angelic creature forever?

Truth has caught up with falsehood, no tongue that speaketh in error shall be able to gainsay.

Grace and truth.
cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker