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Janosky:
You still don't want to accept the truth.
John 20:17, Revelation 1:1, the Son of God in both realms is revealing the message of his Father and God to Blabbermouth.

Revelation 1:5-6. 3:5,12 , Jesus Christ is still the Son of his Father and God in heaven?

John 5:43
"I have come in my Father's name/authority."
God sent me" is everywhere in the Gospels.
Your twisting of John 14:9 is uncalled for.
A man's messenger is as himself". Go figure.
Phillipians2:6 ,Rom 8:3 the son of God in the spirit realm took on the likeness of man on earth.
In heavenly realm the son is the exact likeness of his Father.

No insult intended, but it's as if you have amnesia or some eye problem.
1. I don't buy the Trinity idea!
John 14:8-9 is not for proving Trinity. I'm showing you that even on earth, Christ Jesus was the express image of God's person (just as Hebrews 1:3 said).
Like you've learnt - it's not HOW HE LOOKS, but WHO HE IS I.e. Holy, Righteous, love, power, wisdom and the likes.

2. You love strawmans.

Hebrews1:1-9 is all about Jesus Christ in the spirit realm.
Vs 2, 3. where was Jesus Christ appointed heir of all things?

Slowly again, read the post you quoted.
Did I not teach you English and explain this in detail?
Go and rest, you don't have a point.

Janosky:
Dishonest claim

Shebi you know your post on Isaiah 9:6 debunking the Trinity is on this public forum.

You remain a coward if you do not find that post and tell me how I contradicted myself.

MuttleyLaff:
With you doing the Psalm 139:7-8 and Jeremiah 23:24 styling, hmm ... then you Blabbermouth are trying to a la carte Genesis 3:5 be like God ... lmso

What does the man Blabbermouth know? What wisdom hath he?
Is it not from the measure of the wisdom he hath from God he speaketh with? To whom then does the honor belong? To Blabbermouthor to the giver of spiritual understanding and wisdom?

I know he reads his Bible, when he reads that portion of my message, he should know the discussion is not MAN vs MAN.

Hahahahahahaha

haddeylium:
Spirit creatures are made of Flesh with dust
Human beings are spirit creatures
The Dead are conscious

You've committed enough blunder for a thread ...
Man, Rest!

Kiss this again;
John 4:24
God is spirit, those that worship must worship with spirit and truth

This kind of worship happens in heaven! Be my guest, tell me how a man (that DOES NOT HAVE SPIRIT) can worship a SPIRIT God in SPIRIT.

Truth has caught up with falsehood today, no lying tongue shall be able to gainsay.

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Run into the crowds, you will meet me there. Hide in a ceiling, you will meet me there. Commit suicide, you will meet me in your grave. Cover yourself with thick darkness, you still will meet me there.

haddeylium:
Spirit creatures are made of Flesh with dust
Human beings are spirit creatures
The Dead are conscious

You've committed enough blunder for a thread ...
Man, Rest!

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Look at you, a coward believer. When the going got tough, the heat became unbearable for you and you melted.

Blunder?
This is the difference between a man whose teacher is the spirit of truth and a man whose teacher is some group of men.
They gave you two scriptures and said - "anyone that asked you to show scripture, give them this". Now, the same scriptures that was supposed to be your defense is already against you. Now, you are exhausted and you've lost sauce!

Look at my responses to you, I don't make a point without solid scriptural fact and consistency with the word of God. That's how one with the spirit of truth does.

I will tell you tonight, the difference between a spirit body and a natural body... Just like every of my other responses, you are allowed to try to poke holes and see if it's actually truth or some fantasy conjured up by a man.

Afterwards, there will be only two option left for you
A. Leave this thread knowing you still believe something that is not TRUTH and Not In Line with God's words.

B. Embrace the truth that has always been plain before you and drink of the wisdom thereof.
(I will advise you - If you do choose Option B, you need not to show it. I don't want you to be stigmatized by your fellow witnesses)

rottennaija:
This kind taah for make heart shake oo

You get am.

MuttleyLaff:
"By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death;
and he was not found because god took him up;
for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God."
- Hebrews 11:5

"And no man has gone up to Heaven except He who went down from Heaven: The Son of Man - He who is in Heaven.
(i.e. No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man"
- John 3:13

Alright.

petra1, have you at all 2 Timothy 2:15 considered the following:
1/ What particular death in Hebrews 11:5 is being referred to that Enoch did not die from?

Perhaps, you should tell or give us the list of the type of deaths we should pick from.
That one Adam died, he has died it for all of you born of the first Adam. Enoch cannot come and re die that one, death also reigned through him since he is a son of the first Adam.

The other death I know will be the bodily death, if them talk say pesin no die, then na dis death gan gan them they talk.

"We shall not all sleep (I.e. Die), but we shall all be changed" - Apostle Paul
I am making two inferences from the above scripture

1. It is not an impossible science for a man not to die

2. Whenever them talk say pesin no die, in most case, it means the person didn't die bodily.

PS: I still have not claimed whether Enoch died or not o! I'm just taking things a step at a time.

2/ How do you harmonise and interpret, the polysemous phrase, lmso, "taken away" in:
"Enoch walked with God,
and then he was no more, because God had taken him away".
- Genesis 5:24

with

"The righteous man perishes, (i.e. dies) and no man takes it to heart;
And devout men are taken away,
while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil"
- Isaiah 57:1

As for me o, I don't see the correlation between "God took him" and "the righteous man is taken away from evil".

3. There were plenty righteous men in the bible that were not taken away from evil.

4. Someone should help me check - If Enoch was not taken away, would he have witnessed Noah's flood?
(I'm still not saying anything o, I'm just puting one brick on another as I am given.

3/ What interesting and noteworthy evil, to come, was Enoch in Genesis 5:24, taken away from? (i.e. What evil to come was it, that caused him to prematurely die so as not for him to partake in it or experience that unarguable evil to come, lmso)

MuttleyLaff and other interested readers, I didn't read this before I penned down my inference 4.
Who knows, my fourth inference and Muttley Baba's third question might correlate.

4/ How do you harmonise and interpret, Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 in conjunction with John 3:13 above, and without running the risk of scripture sounding contradictory or looking at variance with each other, lmso, hmm?
cc: Darnley, MaxInDHouse, Blabbermouth, Dtruthspeaker, johnw47,

The key to understanding Jesus statement lies in one of these questions

1. How many heaven/heavens are there?
Tip:
i. This firmament above is called heaven
ii. Paul said someone (which many believe to be him) was caught up to the third heavens
iii. If we are using the Earth as a model for heaven, the 7 continents of the earth might as well be a model for the number of heaven(s) we have.

Question 2
Which Heaven was Jesus talking about?
The firmament-al heaven? Definitely not!

I don't want to argue or shove my resolve on Enoch's death/continual abiding since it has no salvational value.
Believing Enoch died or did not die will not add a crown to your big head when you are to be rewarded - so, make I dey my lane jare (Stance reserved).

Haddeylium:
It's a waste of time with someone that doesn't even know the difference between physical (natural) body and spirit body .
I'm only replying cos' of the honesthearted people yearning for the truth and not be misled by your misunderstanding like how the witch with demons power deceive Saul.

Even toddlers know anything spirit in their nature is invisible to Human's eyes
God is invisible because he's a spirit (1Ti 1:17)
No man has ever or can see Jesus in his spirit form (.1Ti 6:14-16)
Other spirit creatures too are invisible to human eyes

But, spirit person can materialized and take human forms to be visible to physical man, But their nature still remain as Spirit being]
That's the true and nothing more!
Jesus attest to it that "
Lk 24:39[b]for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”[/b]
Jesus said a spirit does not have flesh or bones, not even body form. So, which part does Balaam or the donkey saw ?if not the materialized form of Man's body!
Learn ! and leave nollywood scripted movie out of this

Here was my beloved egbon Saul that went to disturb my Big uncle.
You have no content to offer no more.
Just rest, you've tried!
You even had to take on spiritism that God warned his own people about wink
The dead are conscious of nothing at all(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6)
what should that tell you boy?
Using your power of reasoning...

©Why would faithful man of God yield to the call of witch controls by demon?
©Check verse 13, 14 show that Saul himself did not see Samuel but only assumed from the description given by the witch that she saw Samuel and he let himself to be misled like you're right now.
©The voice is of Demon imposting Samuel
the father of the lie.” (John 8:44)

Kà kà kí haddeylium má jè sese, o fé fí sé àwàdà
Look at yourself, you kept going down and down the scale, now look at how low you've gone.
Do you know what you are doing right now? You are placing opinions above scriptures, a person that witness for Jehovah and lives to be Christ-like should never do that.

1. You should have quoted me point for point, wisdom for wisdom, and with truthful scriptural understanding rather that go up, go down and end up not making anything truthful

2. Don't you understand simple English again? It is the same "front" both the donkey and Balaam were looking. Balaam could not see the Angel but the donkey did.
If the angel took a material body, Balaam would have seen him in the first place!
Balaam never saw the angel until "His eyes were opened" I.e. His eyes were made to see an angel in his spirit body!
Spirit body are not body that cannot be seen by the physical eyes!
(Another example is Elia praying the LORD, so that his apprentice eyes could see angels in their spirit body!)

3. I didn't give you the case of Samuel and Saul to show that spirit body can be seen physically... (This shows how you just didn't relax and let truth sink in while reading through my post)
I gave you Samuel and Saul's case to tell me what part of Samuel was summoned.

4. You say what? What did I hear you just say?! A demon was imposting Samuel?
See, whenever Wisdom is at work, falsehood will never be able to gainsay!
I knew even before typing that you will want to fall into that pit, read this again!
1 Samuel 28:19
"Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and tomorrow shall you and your sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hands of the Philistines"

Haddey, let it sink - A demon imposter does not have access to this kind of Information!

5. I see you love cherrypicking.
It is what DIED that can be RESSURECTED. What part of Jesus died?

I don't need you to wriggle your way around those five uppercut above, I'm not trying to prove this or that here.
All I want you to do is;
Go ahead, define
1. Natural body
2. Spirit body
(This time, be consistent with the scriptures - as we've seen that; Spirit body can be seen by a human!)

Seeing spirits in their spirit body is not some impossible science! They can be seen!

The reason why angels are not visible to humans is not because they have spirit body! No! (I will enumerate on this a little in my next reply)

Angels don't see Jehovah! Angel Gabriel surely recognizes angel Michael's spirit body. He can differentiate Angel Michael's spirit body from Angel X's spirit body.
Angels see themselves but they don't see Jehovah.

The reason why any Creature don't see Jehovah is not because He has a spirit body! No! (I might enumerate on this in my next reply)

It is error to say - Spirit body cannot be seen!

PS: If you don't have a better definition than the first one you gave, then let me know. I will go ahead with telling you what a natural body is and what a spirit body is , as consistent with the scripture!

haddeylium:
I will take this as your subtle way of learning ...Even though that's not the right attitude to.
God form is a spirit! and this form is invisible to human's eyes ...and so is other spirit creatures in heaven.No long torii
That's is their nature. But, in authority, Jehovah is Almighty.
Leave your ego outta this and learn

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Not again!
(I'm thinking of if I should take my time to straighten this or let Understanding have it all)
Alright, do explain this...
1.And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... - Without leaving any stone unturned, explain what God meant in that bible verse.

2. Define the word "form"

3. Do the angels see Jehovah?

The quoted are yours after your overall lesson on this thread!
I like the way you differentiate physical body and spiritual body.
and I might agree with you.
-Physical body is for physical being
-Spirit'ual body is for spirit being

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, why? Why? Why?!
See, whenever you want to define a term from the scripture, always make sure your definitions are well consistent with the scriptures.

First, I said - the physical body is for the physical man and the spiritual body is for the spiritual man with respect to Paul's writing. As in the context of that writing, what kind of man did Paul identity himself as - A spiritual man (Which is the NEW MAN I was talking about).
Does Paul have a physical body, one that is well visible to the human eyes? Yes! Hahahahahahaha, if you misplace your priority, which is ESSENCE, you will keep chasing and catching shadows.

Second, your definition (if I got you well) is not consisted with the scriptures!
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, let me show you.

Numbers 22:22-33
But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.

Point 1: The angel of the Lord was visible to the donkey.

26 Then the angel of the Lord moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff.[/i]

Again, a spirit body was physically visible to a donkey!

28 Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
Point 2: I'm not in the mood of allowing you to err before I checkmate so I should warn you; one of your brothers, in his bid to stick dearly to his error said - God prevented Balaam from seeing the Angel.
Hey, did God also initially prevent the donkey from talking?
No! It sense of speech I.e. Tongue; was made to speak like a typical human. Hahaha, the same thing happened with Balaam. So, don't try to foolishly say "the angel materialized".
...........
31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.

Point 3: Did you read that? Read again, I'm not sure you caught it in the first place. Did you see that?
Balaam, yeah just a man like you and me, physically/visibly saw an angel in his spirit body.
Now keep this point 3, we will be needing it.

32 The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.

33. And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her life.

Point 4: It was not some illusionary vision or some sort of dream, it was perfectly real! If Balaam had continued, he would have become headless in some seconds!
This should restrict you from dilly dallying and go straight for essence, as the event is as real as me typing this to you.

Now, these are the implications of your definition and the errors according to scriptures
1. The spirit body is not visible to the human eye - Newsflash! Balaam's human eye and the Donkey's eyes saw a spirit body

2. As far as it goes, man has a spirit! If the spirit body is for a spirit being, this same flesh-and-blood is a spirit body. Why? Humans are spirit beings.

Perhaps, you might want to divert this discussion and cook up something new by claiming - man has no spirit. If that's what you want, be ready to dance to the tune it gives you:

1. It is what DIED that can be RESSURECTED.... What part of Jesus (and the heavenly ones) were ressurected.
PS: Don't give me the "character"/" personality" bullshit. A character does not die! This is not some stage play, lmao

2. Here was my beloved egbon Saul that went to disturb my Big uncle. You see, my big uncle was dead yet he spoke with my big uncle by summoning a part of him up. What part of my big uncle did he summon?

8.So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.

11Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”
And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”
12When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!”
13And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?”
And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.”
14So he said to her, “What is his form?”
And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
15.Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”
And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.”
16Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.”
20Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night.

Let me clip your wings here again; Don't tell me it was an evil spirit disguising as Samuel. From the look of things, this spirit was dishing out the latest prophecy in town right from God...

(You can very well ignore both questions and just go on with sticking to the topic of discussion - my main point here was to prove that your definition is inconsistent withfhe scriptures)

Wow...
Jesus as the 'new man' is resurrected as a spirit person?

What was the question (I asked) that brought us this far into the truth of the person of Christ Jesus resurrected?
Christ has always been a spirit person/spirit being, as he has a spirit when he was on earth. And he also has a spirit after he ressurected, so don't dance around to avoid embracing the truth.

Now, As a Spirit person does he have a Spirit body or physical body?

1 Corinthians 15:44-It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body...

Jesus' is buried in the physical body he sacrificed and raised up in Spiritual body like other spirit being!
Thank you for your time!

Help yourself with using "Natural body vs Spirit body"...
A spirit body can be physical just as Balaam and His donkey proved! It's my tip for you.

I want to give you one more try - Go ahead again, define
1. Natural body
2. Spirit body
(This time, be consistent with the scriptures)
Whether you get it right or wrong is not an issue - It's just needed to straighten some things up.

After your definition, I will give you mine (actually, not mine, but a scripturally consistent and backed definition)
Then you will see - 1 Corinthians 15:45 gels perfectly well with what Jesus said in the gospel of Luke and John.

Also, I will tell you one of the message Jesus was passing when he explicitly said - FLESH AND BONES.

Here is an appetizer while you go about your day;
Hebrews 7:24
But THIS MAN, because he CONTINUETH EVER, hath an unchangeable priesthood

The spirit being/person Abides as a man forever!
When the truth of God is evident, errors and false doctrine will never be able to gainsay!
All Glory to God!

fanenene:
Oga blabber mouth what are you blabbing?

Like I said - no bitcoin business then.

johnw47:
what would he be laughing at
do tell

#Chilling with the most-High Geng

Enoch is laughing at you guys.

Haddeylium
Check for the meaning of 'Form' and 'authority' in your dictionary
Jesus, Angels have the same form as God being a spirit person but not in Authority.
Only Jehovah is Almighty

20% as a brotherly warning, and 80% as a tip, the major similarity Jehovah has with his angels is that they are both spirit beings. God in all his form is not exactly the same with any angel!

Jesus as spirit person being a new creature now has a spirit' body or physical body?

Define
1. Natural body
2. Spirit body
Let's be on the same page first.

blabbermouth,you still owe this thread answers tho cheesy

Lol... You've been impatient.

PS: Need I remind you that the scriptures are so repetitive, consistent and clear on this matter, and I can give you many more scriptures to show you the person of Jesus Christ resurrected.
Clutching to straws and trying to bend around to find a safe haven for one's previous belief is something common among us Christians. However our confidence is in the truth that Jesus is our Lord and our truth, so we will rather follow the truth wherever it goes that stick to the error we so hold there.

Please define the natural body and spirit body as expressive as you can - it is very necessary! Also, be relaxed -there are no bobby traps like the last time.

Janosky:
John 17:24 puncture holes into your twist built on "new man" of 2Cor2:15-17.
Luke 24:26 & John 17:24 the glory is for heavenly dwelling with Jesus in the spirit realm.
No human body can access it.

I read John 17:24 and I laughed out loud. Here is what to do - write out John 17:24, Luke 24:26 and explain (in details please) how it punctures a hole in the truth.

Let's see how long cunning gainsaying can last.

Ephesians 4:22-24 , Colossians 3:9 goes together with 2 Corinthians 5:17, change your habits, attitude,way of life to conform to Righteous standard of God.

Change your habits, attitude, way of life to conform to Righteousness standard of God - all these are the core teachings of Confucianism, yet it doesn't make a confucainist a NEW MAN! Glory!

Change you habits, attitude, way of life to conform to Righteousness standard of God - Do all these without Christ and you will still be annihilated. It doesn't make you a NEW MAN!

You still don't know who the NEW MAN is!
PS: I ought to reply differently with numerous scriptures and truthful and essential exegesis, but then, I will hold from doing that now.

Janosky:
Hahahaha, Mr Twister .
Hebrews1:2 ,did the events of Hebrews1:2 take place in the flesh?
Did God made the Universe THROUGH His son when Jesus was in the flesh?

I signed up for bible discussions that God through Christ can be glorified, I never knew there will be a need for short English Lessons.

Hebrews 1:2
Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son, 1. whom he appointed heir of all things, 2. and through whom he made the system of things;

The two clauses (separated by a comma which I numbered) are called Relative/Adjectival clauses.
What do they do? They qualified (I.e Gave specific and more info. about) the noun "A son".
That is to say;
God spoke to us through a son.... It poses the question - WHICH SON? The clauses then gave us that information - The one that God appointed heir of all things, and also made the system of things through him.
Now you know the son being referred to!

Then we have a semi-colon ( ; ). I hope you know what it does - to then enumerate on the subject of discussion situated before the colon I.e. The son.

Hebrews 1:3
He (That son) is the reflection of God's glory and the exact representation of his very being .....

Like I said, the image there was not on HOW GOD LOOKS LIKE, but it's on WHO HE IS....

Now, hear the master himself speak on the matter:
John 14:8-9
8. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us
9. Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou, show us the Father?
Jesus spoke this in flesh and blood!
Going by the error you are dearly sticking to, can we then say
1. God has flesh and blood, since he is just like Jesus in image and Jesus is just like him.
2. God has beards, two hands, two legs, a circumised penis et all
God forbid!

Christ Jesus said - seeing him is equal to seeing the father, because He (Christ) is his father's exact image!

John 4:24 , God is a spirit.
Hebrews1:2The son is the express image of his Father's spiritual being ("in the nature of God" ) in heaven.

You see that now, the "exact representation of his very being/ express image of his person" is in context referring to WHO GOD IS, not HOW HE LOOKS
PS: Christ Jesus was, Christ Jesus is, Christ Jesus will continue to be the exact representation of his very being.

You don't seem to understand that Paul's epistles is referencing Jesus Christ after his ascension.

Before earth
On earth
After ascension
He has been and always will be - the express image of His (God's) Person.

Truth!

fanenene:
If God gave us all we need for Godly life through the death and resurrection of jesus why was Peter or Paul not rich? Philippians 4:19 and 2conrithians 8:9
CAN I GET AN ANSWER.

No bitcoin business then.

PS: Money wise, Judas was the first scamming believer.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh dear. "disfellowship" kẹ?

His spirit life force is willing, but his flesh is weak - LMAO..

Oh, that " ... aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth" is what's in the house, is called the utilisation of "tough love" approach nah, lmso

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Janosky:
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My eyes are sleepy already, I will be back.

Haddeylium
One of the key to understanding the Bible is having the right attitude. If you don't humble yourself (Ja 4:6) and allows God's people to teach, you would just chasing shadows.

Your group is not in God's plan.

This conversation about Jesus prehuman existence you don't want to have is the key to light your delusion...You don't care about why Jesus have to die and how it was done... pathetic!

There are sacred things, hard things the Lord shares with you as a result of your personal dealings with him, many of them are not for public consumption but for private edification and exhortation.
There was this thread I created titled "Does God really know the future?", the essence of that discussion was something meant for my private dealing, not for teaching or preaching. My interlocutors were not able to prove me wrong, and did not negate the points I raised, yet they will not come to terms with the end of the matter, as it doesn't gel well with their own perspective of God.

The same is the reason why I don't discuss/ want to discuss Christ's pre -earthly era, I stick with essence now than try to prove points.

© “His own self bare our sins in his own body (1 Peter 2:​24)...He bare this mankind's sin on his human's body and sacrificed it (1 Corinthians 5:7) after which he was resurrected as Spirit (1 pet 3:18)

As spirit? No problem. What kind of being?

And in his prayer, he begged God to restore him with the glory he has before the world was(John 17:5) as the image of God (Colossians 1:15)

Hey beloved, you must understand that Christ Jesus on earth was the image of God. His prayer in John 17:5 was not to be restored as the image of God, No! He has always been the image of God.
I will show you now....

Heb 1:3- he is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Out-of-context interpretation is not a good thing, be warned!
Hebrews 1:2
"Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son"
When was this? During Christ's earthly ministry! So the verse continued in an expository manner - who being the reflection of his glory, express image of his person..... (still in Christ's journey on earth)
Then the writer probed further saying - .. And AFTER he had made a purification for our sins (Bridge between the earthly era and post ressurection) , he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High (Here, the writer is now on post earth era, post ressurection).

Under God's inspiration after Jesus'resurrection, apostle Paul penned this part of the scriptures down.
Since Jehovah God is a spirit without flesh, his Son who is now resurrected as Spirit and being is exact image of his can't be with flesh!...

Will you stop this false eisegesis please?! Let the scripture lead you, don't try to tame the truth!

The image of God in that context is not how he looks like, it is WHO HE IS .... You know, Holy, righteous, and all that.
A translation puts it saying - he is the express image of his PERSON.

Jesus is resurrected to be in God's form (Phippians 2:6)

So, whatever form Jehovah is, so is Jesus.[/quote]So, he became God Almighty? The only similarity angels share with God is that they are also spirit beings, that's it. If we are to take God in full form of how he is, and who he is - then you should be ready to dance to the tune of Trinity. Be warned!

Jesus is not just Son of man, but also Son of David(Matt 1:1)

That expression shows that Jesus indeed become flesh in his birth(John 1:14) ...He didn't materialized his human state like some Angels do.

Jesus as Son of man/son of David emphasis his right as when he was in fleshy state to be the heir to the kingdom in David line as successor.

As virtue of being the Son of man, he's now reigning as the

Messianic King.

Look at that part of your message I bolded, can you see you are still using a present continuous tense? Oh Glory, the truth will always prevail.

To operate the messianic kingship, he must continue to be a son of man.

You're not ready

1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29.

Don't read but study it prayerfully

The belief of Jesus being angel Michael, rides on the wings of if X=Y, and Y has a relationship with Z, who knows? X can be = Z.

Let me pay you in your coin.
John 5:28 "Marvel not, for the hour is coming when those in the grave will hear his voice, they shall be ressurected, some ressurected unto life, and some ressurected unto.destruction"

1 Corinthians 15:52
"In a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible and we will be changed"
According to the way of forceful eisegesis and logical blasphemy (which my JW brothers love when it suits them)
Since
1. The voice of Christ will raise the dead.
2. The trump of God sounded and the dead rose
We can say;
3. The voice there was the trump of God
4. Jesus is the trumpet.
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
That aside;
1 Thess 4:16
Because the Lord himself will descend from heaven
1. With a commanding call ("a shout" as some other translation put it)
QUESTION: Whose call or whose shout is that?
2. An archangel's voice
3. God's trumpet (The trump of God)

Now you see - 1 Thess 4:16 is not a safe haven for your ***** *******

PS: No where was the voice of the an archangel specifically associated with the ressurection of the dead.

Yunno, it's so bold of you to assume Jesus is a Man in heaven with flesh and blood[b]

You sef reason am...e make sense grin

Flesh and blood? God forbid!

When Jesus was on Earth , He was to be lower than the Angels.(Ps. 8:4, 5; Heb. 2:9wink

Philippians 2:7 -but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.

Humans with flesh are lower than the Angels (it's a comparison to being slave).

Are you saying Jesus Christ, the King , would remain in human body of flesh?...what a Joke you're.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come.
That is the little piece of information you still miss, Christ Jesus ressurected as a NEW MAN, A NEW CREATION! GLORY!

Here was Paul doing a bit of explorative differentiation between the two kind, or model of man
1 Corinthians 2:14-15
But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.
15. However [u]the spiritual man[/b] examines all things but he himself is not examined by an man.

2. The physical body is for the physical man, while the spiritual body is for the spiritual man (in his glory)!

That was why John said - We (spiritual men) know not (for now) what we shall become, but we know we shall be like him (the first spiritual man) - well, that's when he comes in his glory.

Christ confirmed this when he said to his disciples -
Luke 24:26
"Was it not necessary for Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?
Whose glory? The glory of Christ!

Now, let me deviate a bit and say something that is of much essence;
The office of " The Christ " was an office meant and designed for a man. Thus, even in his glory, the Christ remained a man - howbeit, a glorified man!

Now here is an open mystery - Christ said specifically of the kind of body he now has - FLESH & BONES. What message was he passing?

Heaven is a spirit realm for spirit person without human body or flesh; it's this Earth Jehovah created for fleshy Man( Isa. 45:12,18)

The NEW MAN is a spirit person!
The body of the NEW MAN is adapted for the heavens, yea, even the heaven of heavens!

I would not need to say all these If you yield to the spirit of truth and read Acts chapter 2 and 7.
Read it haddeylium, you will be blessed with the revelation of who Christ Jesus ressurected is.

haddeylium:
it's a sight to see Ex-Jw, churchgoers, freethinker, independent religionist leaving out their conflicting doctrines and making compromise to come together against Jw.
That's the effect of having the same line of thought.

Independent Christians like - Peter, Paul, Blabbermouth and co. do not have conflicting doctrines.
John 3:16 - *Anyone* that believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

If only he said - Anyone that does not believe in the group of Charles Russell, he will not have everlasting life; then we won't be having your type doing cheap marketing for your group.

DappaD:
In summary, Whoever is not on the side of Jehovah and Jesus IS AGAINST the truth. Matthew 12:30, John 18:37

Saw one of Blabbermouth's comments, I'll paraphrase: ‘I'll think of joining JWs if so so and so happens’

I wonder where he got the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are begging him or whether we're looking for members who won't subscribe to Bible standards.
Despite the fact that Jehovah's promise for salvation and everlasting life is open to all(1Timothy 2:4, Revelation 22:17), Jehovah takes note of each individual and if one has endearing qualities, He draws such ones to the truth.(John 6:44, 1Corinthians 3:6)

So he should know that it's not just for the random Tom and Harry since God's standards are very high. We mean serious business when we preach looking for Jehovah's lost sheep.(Matthew 10:6)

Max knew I was pulling his legs, as he will never find what I asked him to go search for.

Like I said bro, you are not in God's plan, Just like every other denominations.
I repeat - your group is not/was not/ will never be God's plan.

haddeylium:
...

I hope you realized you did not make a point.
I'm in my joker mood tonight, so we won't discuss the matter today.
Now you see, you still don't understand
1. what / who the NEW MAN is
2. The old man is lesser than an angel but the new man (in his glory) is higher than every angel - that includes angel Michael.
3. 1 Thesis 4:16, the archangel's voice was not associated with the ressuection of the dead. There is something I will show you.
4. Do you know why Jesus intentionally said - Flesh and bones? No, if you do, you will understand that the new man's body is not like the old man's.
5. All I've said will never sink because you belong to a group that has put a slave chain on your neck and brainwashed you to eat whatever it feeds you.
To be honest, the GB is your God, not Jehovah.

If I'm inspired to, I will address your response well and elaborate on the above points - however, I'm discouraged, as you are restrained from ever grasping this. If you do publicly, your JW brothers will disfellowship you.
That's a big blow, we would have converged in truth already.

PS: Don't mind my aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth.

Goodnight Haddey.

Judgement Day
Ressurect guys, our king is here!

Spokesman 1: This is how the judgement will go; first, you will all assemble according to the group you belong to on earth. Do you understand?
Everyone: Yes sir.

Everyone assembling to the group they belong.

Spokesman 2: Members of Jehovah's witnesses, assemble here.
JW: Yes sir.

Spokesman 2: Redeemers, come here. Catholics, stay here.
Redeemers: Yes sir.
Catholic members: Yes sir.

Everyone assembled according to the group they belong; Muslims, Jews, Buddhist as well

Spokesman 3: Who are these ones without a group?
Peter (speaking for the rest): Sir, we are followers of Christ, to him we belong.
Spokesman 3: So you mean you are not a JW, Catholic, or redeem member?
Peter: Yes sir.

After a lengthy soft discussion between the spokesmen?
Spokesman 1: The rest of you, you will die (be annihilated) only 144,000 JW will go with Christ, the rest of them will inhabit the earth.

JW: hurray!
Redeemers: What? But we believe in Jesus nah!
Spokesman 2: C'mon shattap! The only true followers of Jesus are JW
Living faith members: What? We nko?
Spokesman 2: Ear dey pain you? I say you will be annihilated.
Oya, those of you to be annihilated follow spokesman 3, he will take you to where you will die.
Peter: We nko?
Spokesman 1: No sir, you've enjoyed free bread and fish when you were on earth. You don't belong to JW, follow them and die.

Paul: haba! I died single because of Christ na.... Na so me sef go die?

Spokesman 1: Yes o! You for wait make C.T.Russell found the JW org first before you start your faith race. You just became eunuch for nothing.

Except the JW members, every other man was annihilated (Them no even respect blabbermouth, the guy no wan gree go, na hin dem bounce am commot )

Part 2 is coming soon! Watch out....

achorladey:
If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16


what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS


I know you can see the little my eyes can see

LMAO! You knocked out the senior marketer of JW org, nairaland branch.

Achorladey, dey pity am small small na

SmartPolician:
Now, the police will be forced to take a genuine action because Nigerians are taking this seriously.

There's nothing a united force cannot achieve.

The marlians are taking it seriously, not the average lazy BBN addicted youths.

MaxInDHouse:
To Shadeyinka!

[color=blue]Jehovah our God will destroy all none JWs when he comes to judge the world....
God bless you!

Again Max, your org and every other denominations were not and are still not in God's plan - let that sink in.

If you can give me the name of a single JW member that is 100% certified to be among the 144,000, I will consider joining your group and becoming brothers with you.

Don't forget, your org is still not God's plan.

Barristter07:
Yes simple to understand , God's nature is Spirit (John 4:24). For Jesus to be in God's nature. He can't be flesh and bones. Cos Spirit don't have flesh and bones.

Thou art funny my friend

Amatarasha:
I won't marry a human! Cos I have no womb, am not bringing a soul on earth destroyed by Jehovah d satan and his cohorts
.so real My husband is in x dimentural outside our milky ways 2billion light years from here

The above, are the numerous cosmical malady and ailments I have diagonized you of (you confirmed it).

As the record-breaking best doctor of the whole milky way, I hereby prescribe you "a husband", just take one capsule and you will be healed.

I had to read from page 1 to 6, it was hilarious all through.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Those days of believing fairytales.

Lol, you will resume soon.

Captain9ja:
I Know when Jesus will return and I can prove it from the bible!

Good for you, keep it to yourself.