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haddeylium:
was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”​—1 Peter 3:​18

Shadeyinka gave you enough and very direct scriptures to prove that Jesus ressurected in the flesh, do a truthful exegesis on the scriptures rather than bring another scripture to cunningly contradict his own.

Haddeylium, explain how 1 Peter 3:18 proved Jesus ressurected as a spirit.
A Brotherly Advice: the phrase "Quickened by the spirit" will not be of help.

Can spirit being transform into a materialized body?

They can take the form of a material body.

Does Jesus ascends to heaven in both flesh and blood?

No! Not flesh and blood! It was Flesh and Bones!

can someone retrieve what he sacrificed?

Depends on what is sacrificed.
Answer this question
What was actually required?
A. The flesh of Jesus (of an unblemished lamb)
B. The blood of Jesus (of an unblemished lam)
C. Answer is not option A or B (In this case, you can specify your answer)

Answers those questions and we won't be having this conversation...

If you can disprove Jesus' straight to the point words, we won't be having this conversation.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, go preach and teach what you know!

This is one of the reasons why your org. will not be spared when the Lord moves to destroy that disease called "denomination".
Christ Jesus never preached Denominations!
The Early church never practiced Denominations!
The Israelites under Moses never thought of Denominations!
Pledge your allegiance to Christ, my dear Maximus, not some organization!

shadeyinka:
Argue with Jesus's statement


See what Jesus said:
Luk 24:39:
1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."

That is the uppercut from the mouth of Jesus against your man made doctrine
Any argument different from this is from the antichrist!

Spot on, Shadeyinka! We may have our differences in stuffs like Foreknowledge and future but your posts (so far in this thread) are 100% consistent with the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
1Corinthians 15:42-45
Jesus is not one of Adam's descendants, he was from the realms above (heaven) John 8:23

Okay?

When a life lamb is sacrificed to God it's never to be seen again, so the body with which Jesus lived as the son of man is the propitiatory sacrifice for sin, what his followers saw after his resurrection was a make up form of body that he is alive, that's why they failed to recognize him because the former body is gone! Luke 20:15-35; John 20:11-18

Jesus died with a terrestrial body - that was the sacrifice... Jesus rose with a glorified body (for some reasons, I love to call this body - A celestial Body). We do see that the new body could phase through walls, need no blood, translocate, defy gravity and do other glorious acts of which we cannot speak of for now.
The sacrifice (which is the terrestrial body) was gone and never to be seen again. The replacement? A glorified body! Jesus the Christ never rose as a spirit.

This is just one of many secrets that's hidden from this faithless generation, but Jesus himself said "by their fruit you will know them, people don't gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles do they? Every good tree produces fine fruit while routine tree produce worthless fruit, a good tree will not bear routine fruit neither can a routine tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

I'm sure you are about to market a group.... Let's see if I guessed right.

Anyone who feels he knows better should go and worship with the better group that are producing the FRUIT of God's holy spirit :- LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27} there still remains six other qualities of the FRUIT "PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL" Galatians 5:22-23
So it's not by arguing fruitlessly that Jesus' true followers are identified but "by their FRUIT"

Voila! My foreknowledge was accurate. I won't want to start with the many flaws of JW ORG (yeah, their flaws even in the fruit they claim to produce) as there would be no essence derived from such destructive discussion.

If JWs don't have the Holy Spirit working with them, those qualities of God's holy spirit won't be evident with that group throughout the earth as you're all aware of this fact. James 2:18:26
God bless you!

It's a matter of choice - Whose words/position will you stick with? The position of the organization you belong to or The Undiluted words from Christ?

Seriously?! That's very very very very unscriptural!
The account of Thomas' ordeal with Jesus(Ressurected) made us understand that Jesus ressurected not as a spirit, anything different from this is a lie concoted from the HQ of the fallen ones.

MuttleyLaff:
When I asked the question, that at which point did God become God, the Father, of course this was asked in relation and in connection with Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, God the Son or Son of God, so please quit trying to show off with all these wild someone who wants to appear to be clever remarks, lmso.

Blabbermouth, you're a single man who has yet to copulate with a female to the point of procreating and making you a father. In the absence of the preceded ever happening, you aren't at any point yet a father. Nobi so? OK, read further on then, lmso

Teacher: How old is your father?
Kid: He is 6 years
Teacher: What? How is this possible?
Kid: He became father only when I was born

I used the above to break the ice between us and hopefully, second time coming, look forward to getting a better response from you, when I hereby again ask you, that at which point did God become God, the Father, hmm?

Bobo yi, always go for essence please. My answer to you was sufficient and it covered every possible variation depending on your frame of reference.
Your Teacher&Kid illustration was not bizzare, the kid was simply using a frame of reference the teacher wasn't familiar with.

I thought you said you re-watched the video, and that this time, paying attention to every details, hmm?

I guess you must have slept and didnt pay attention to 01:14-01:46 minute mark of the video, the part that was all I particularly wanted you to hear and I was interested in you to watch because, that's the part of the video, that will give you an idea of what the Greek world "exerchomai" demonstratively and a form of acted out way means and is, so God Almighty did by "exerchomai" become God the son (i.e. God incarnate)

The preacher was a man, it wasn't God Almighty speaking. The preacher was speaking from the preconceived notion that God Almighty can be classified as a "person". This is perhaps the 5th time I will make that emphasis that - God Almighty is higher! He (in His pure state of Existence) is Higher than a person! He is more of a Reality&RealmOFHisOWN than a person! So there was no incarnation whatsoever there.

You do? OK then please tell:
1/ Why God on three occasions never revealed what His personal name is?
2/ Give the reason given for God turning down the requests to know what His personal name is, then.

Lead the way sir, give me the bible verses first.

Extra-biblical sources claim there are seven heavens though, lmso

It ain't that essential.

You want me to play Bob the Builder
when really you have to do your own building up and growing, lmso, hmm?

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OK ooo, for starters, I'll beam a torch into the room, which just enough light to make you wander in to the room and begin to confidently walk around in it, and make the self discovery all by yourself, lmso. Thrones, signify a seat of authority, simply put, its the chair where Royalty sits, lmso, so heaven is the chair where God seats, lmso and the earth is His footstool. lmso. I earlier warned and told you that orisirisi nkan lo nshẹlẹ ni heavens. Thrones and footstools are elements and functions of something, some place even bigger, lmso

I did not get the essence of what you said above.

Aside the Yoruba calling God "Eledumare" or "Olodumare" they affectionately describes Him as "Awamaridi" loosely translated means the "Unfathomable One", lmso

Ati bè bè lō

MaxInDHouse:
The bolded is a misconception!
There is just one heaven (spirit realms) just as earth is one, but there is three parts in the same heaven not as earth has six continents!

You are not wrong.

MuttleyLaff:
I recall asking before maybe not you, that at which point did God become God, the Father. Also, at what point did God become, God, the Son, lmso.

1.God, before the foundation of the world has always been "The Father", in the same light as how the lamb has been slain before the foundation of the world. However, that dimension of him became accessible when Jesus was on earth.That dimension became a reality when I got born again.
2. God Almighty never became God the son (hahahahahahaha, Glory!)

Do you know why God on three occasions never revealed what His personal is and do you know the reason given for turning down the requests to know what His personal name is, hmm?. Mind Yahweh, I AM, that, I AM or even YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton, are not God's personal name, I trust you know that, lmso, hmm?

Yes I do.

"This is what the LORD says:
“Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.
Could you build me a temple as good as that?
Could you build me such a resting place?"
- Isaiah 66:1

I am sure there the idea of seven heavens being banded about, but bible speaking and bible fact cross checked with know with certainty, that there are at least three heavens, lmso.

"There are at least 3 heavens" - Spot on!

Have you grasped the implication and deep meaning of Isaiah 66:1a? (i.e. heaven is my throne). What and where is beyond the throne then, lmso, hmm?

You can enlighten me, can't you?

MuttleyLaff:
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I ought to respond to some things in your reply but I will wait for you to modify first (for it felt like there is more you want to say but time won't permit).

MuttleyLaff:
Take your time, just pay attention to 01:14-01:46 mark of the videos all I am asking and interested in you watch
The video, is to give an idea of what the Greek world "exerchomai" is.

I've watched the video again, this time, paying attention to every details.
I loved the part where he said "If there was a day when God created heaven and earth, where was he before that day? (The believers cheered) Where He was is where He is, because He said - I am the LORD, I changeth not"
That was 100000000000% correct! However let us quake deeper and ask ourselves, was there a day, a time or a moment when he created that dwelling place that was before heaven and earth?
If there was, that means there was another place he dwelled before creating that one we speak of. If we keeping going back and back, we will have an infinite regression of God's dwelling place (which is unscriptural and unreasonable).
If there wasn't, then that means that the dwelling place is ETERNAL! It was never created! Hahahahahahaha, what shall we then say, God created all things except the place which he dwelled? No!
Only one entity has been eternal before this dispensation, that is God!
If the dwelling place of God is eternal (never created or caused), then the dwelling place is God! Because only God is eternal from the past!
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In simple words, God's dwelling place is God! God is His own dwelling place!
This was the revelation I had from the spirit of truth and that made me realize God The Father is not a person! He is higher than what we can classify as a person!
Although I don't have the perfect word to describe God's state of existence, the closest word I could get was REALITY! God The Father Is A REALITY!

Thus when I then looked back at the doctrine of trinity that claims - God in 3 persons... I reflect and say - God in three persons? No, no, no, the First Entity/Being in the Trinity union is not even a Person!

Grace and Truth.

illicit:
Watch your tongue

You didn't read in-between the lines did you? He got you.

MaxInDHouse:
You're trying to scatter the head of a Churchgoer!

But if you truly want to know who those four horsemen are, just ask JWs!

MaxInDHouse, who are/were the four horsemen?

Ken4Christ:
The Scripture interpreted itself concerning the four beast in the book of Revelation. Any other interpretation is fraud. If you don't agree with the Scripture on this, there is no use giving you proof on others. Hear what the Scripture says about the four beast;

Revelation 5:8-9
8 And when he had taken the book, THE FOUR BEASTS and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. note

9 And THEY SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, and TONGUE, and PEOPLE, and NATION.

The Scripture verses above talks about the four beasts 24 elders singing a new song. The content of the song revealed who they are.

They are the redeemed of the Lord and that is the Church. Did God redeem animals? No. Does animals sing? No. If you agree with the Scripture on this, I will explain the others in details.

Please note I didn't manufacture any interpretation outside what the Scripture said.

A lot depends on if we can UNLearn and RELearn after reasoning from the scriptures. I am ever ready, I don't know about you.
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Colossians 1:20
And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven
It is necessary to note that Christ did not just reconcile man with God, no no no, even angels were reconciled back to God through Christ.
When Moses was to build a Tabernacle where the symbol of the presence of God (the ark of covenant) is to dwell, God asked him to make it after the fashion he had seen. That it may be fulfilled, let it be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Just as there was a very thick veil in the temple on earth that separate the holies from the holy of holies, there was also such veil in heaven that separated the holies from the most holies.
Talking about Christ's death, the writer under the unction of the holy Ghost said - "Christ (in the spirit) went into the temple in heaven and tore the veil that separated the holies from the most holies. Be it as there is no veil seperating man and God any longer, there is also no veil seperating the beings in heaven and God any longer. (Praise God!)

In light of that, the 4 beasts could in truth be something else!
Ezekiel 1:10
As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of A Man, and the face of A Lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of An Ox on the left side; they four also had the face of An Eagle"

Do you see the similarities between these four living creatures Ezekiel saw and the four beasts John saw? Do not also forget that the numbers were the same and in both cases, the creatures/beasts were with GOD
What shall we then say, oh they are church? How? How are the beasts the Church of Christ? Uhn?
How does that (whether they be the church or not) in any way show that the rapture will take place before the tribulation?

Ken4Christ, without leaving no stone unturned, please do justice to these:
1. Who are the 4 horsemen in Rev 6: 1-8
2. Give a single scripture from the whole bible that needs no symbolic interpretation whatsoever but plainly connote that rapture will happen before tribulation.

Ken4Christ:
The is a gross misunderstanding on the subject of the rapture. This is because so many people misconstrue that our Lord Jesus was addressing the rapture of the church in Matthew 24. Jesus wasn't talking about the rapture of the church as the Church age was even a mystery to our Lord Jesus at that time.

It was addressing the nation of the Isreal. The fulfillment of the prophecies contained in Matthew 24 will only begin to unfold after God is through with the Church.

So, there are two future rapture and two future great tribulation periods. The first rapture is that of the church which will take place before the first great tribulation period. The second rapture is that of 144,000 Jews which will take place in the midst of the second great tribulation. These 144,000 Jews are the elect referred to in Matthew 24.

The second coming of Christ will take place after the great tribulation period when the anti Christ must have been revealed.

Is this the TRUTH or your OPINION?
Pen down Scriptures that correlates with this before asking anyone to disprove it or take it as truth.
PS: Do not bring that 4 beast in the book of revelations as your defense please, 1,000 persons can give it 1,000 unique interpretation.

MuttleyLaff:
You dont disappoint with your trash post, do ya, even after all explanation previously given you, smh

Keep it cool sir, thou art blazing hot today.

Romans chapter 9 contextually read, is scripture my friend, it is plain in sight. Facts jumps out from the chapter as literally as they get, so please as I keep advising you, dont play the JW card with me. I am JW-atheist, lmso.

Okay.
If time permits, I will take the romans 9 verse by verse.

MuttleyLaff:
You see how unashamedly dishonest and desperate you are. You forgot that I still have the whole transcript of our chatroom discussion, and no where in it did I ever say: "Romans 9 was all about God's power ..." You fall my hand big time, for stooping so low in misquoting me this badly, merely for the sole reason on gaining cheap point(s). Smh. No wonder to didnt want me to publicly share the whole transcript, lmso.

Hence the "Bla bla bla" I added to it. I did not go back to the chatroom and I can't remember what you said word-for-word.

God was not clone though, hmm. God from divinity projected into become human. It was the humanity side of God conversing with the divinity side of God, Himself. You guys, meaning you and that kkins25, have quite a lot learning more to do, smh lmso.

If it were cloning, it would have even been better. However the one God did (as you claimed) is much more perfect and thus, the onus is still on you to explain how the projection is different from the image in the projector. Jesus' will was different from God's, how can the same person have different will? What makes a person a person.

Trinity has got nothing on me. I have killed trinity, cut trinity up, carved and dissected it to investigate and see what its fed on. Fyi, trinity is a means to an end, it isn't at all, the end itself. Trinity is a stop pit, if you know what that means, lmso.

Okay, we shall see.

Swoosh, I know this comment has gone right over your head, as if like a couple of Naira Airforce MiG fighter jets flying past, lmso.

Yes, you are right. I almost had an heart attack when I saw your name after I clicked "mention". By the way, I'm scared as to how you will put me in my place very soon. I'm cold sir Muttley, turn up the heat.




Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

MuttleyLaff:
Truth is a bitter pill to swallow

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You placed sentiments and warped reasoning before undiluted scriptural truths.
1/ You still cannot explain how God's spoken words created a physical universe
2/ How the same person (as you claimed) have different will (in the same setting and condition)
3/ Why Jesus' will was not done
4/ You are trying to hard to twist Romans 9 (that's so JW of you)

MuttleyLaff:
[s]Dont be in a hurry to meet your nemesis. I am banking on both you and kkins25 not to lose your bottle when I do send out the invite for you both to come participate in the life and death guinea pig test experiment, lmso.

I am 100000% sure you must have at one time or the other in your so far short life on earth had at least an occasion to psych yourself up. Has the penny now dropped for you, lmso

"¹⁸Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
¹⁹Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
²⁰Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
²¹Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
²²What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known"
- Romans 9:18-22 KJV

Let me break down Roman chapter 9 for you my beloved brother friend. It is just as I earlier had advanced to you before, in a couple of our earlier chatroom interactions, we had together. You see, I am sure that, if the shoe were on the other, and we have a reversal role, were it was you when it was time for Pharaoh to enter the world. You knowing ahead how wicked and all "bad mama jama" Pharaoh will be, you will definitely, not allow him to come into existence, and this mainly because you already know that he is bad news, but God isn't like us with a human being reasoning. God can handle and take anything that throws up. Besides, as I have always said in the past, every creation has the fundamental right to be allowed to come into existence and express itself/himself/herself. This is what Roman chapter 9 is talking about, it is talking about the sovereign choice of God and nothing at all, about the base choice of mortal human beings. I will slow down here and pause, so to give enough time to read this comment thoughtfully and to digest it well enough.

Listen, just go click on this link to read the entire Romans 9 contextually. You will see that it is talking about God's prerogative, about God's choice, about Him making choices https://biblehub.com/nlt/romans/9.htm. It is God's Sovereign Choice. He decided to allow Pharaoh, with his warts, pimples, acne and all to come into existence, though He knew Pharaoh is a bad apple. Like I said, if it was somebody like you being God, you wouldn't allow Pharaoh come into the world because of what you already know about him. This bit here is the naked truth, you dont like seeing, hearing or listening to, lmso

You tried bringing forward Romans9:19, as if you are trying to dispute that Pharaoh was a "bad egg" like as if, you want to contest that now, lmso.

Blabbermouth, you also keep wailing and bleating about: "God said: I will harden Pharaoh's heart" and I have humbly asked you, to explain, how, in no uncertain terms, did God harden Pharaoh's heart, but what is your response. Your response Blabbermouth, was passing the buck, telling me, to go ask the Hardener. Imagine that. Smh, lmso.[/s]

This happens to be the first time your long write up made no single sense.
You can always reply whenever you are relaxed and very free, there is no point to hold here.

iLegendd:
My question is: If I transfer this 480k to you, which business will you invest it in that will generate you something better than the Keke I talked about earlier?

The best answer with details will get a gift from me.

Your keke might suffer from poor maintenance or some unforseen mechanicals related faults.
I will use the said amount for Agriculture-related business.
Pros
1. Some raw foods are about to become as precious as Gold, a seasoned business man will make ORGASMIC PROFIT from them
2. The wisest man said "Man shall not live by bread ALONE", he never said " man shall not live by bread"... No matter the situation, the condition, the place or time, A well planned food business will forever remain EVERGREEN
3. There are a lot of options (niches) and each is profitable on its own.. It will NEVER BE SATURATED!
- Raw foods
- Restaurants
- Poultry (A little bit risky though).
- Baking (Bakery, pastries and all)
4. You can always write Cookbooks and diet recipe (from experience) for passive incomes.
5....
6....
(Fill in the blanks)
Cons
- I don't have 480k.

kkins25:
wee you kee kwayet!!! common sense ko, cum on sense ni!
that's how they will go up and down, and be spreading lies in the name of frigging yaweh

muttleylaff, read this verse again, read am well well.. now ask yourself; 'Do i know the common sense i am talking about atall'? here we have[b] Pharaoh willingly [/b]repenting of his sins....

MuttleyLaff will rather twist God's word than admit that Everyone does not have absolute freewill.
Check Romans 9, Paul brought up the account again and explained the purpose for which God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Preemptively, he asked a question he was sure the people will want to ask him, "Will you ask me, why does He (God) then find fault? For who hath resisted his will (who can Go against his orchestration)?" (Romans 9:19)
I tendered all these to MuttleyLaff and all He could say was "Romans 9 was all about God's power bla bla bla"...
Romans 9 shot the belief in " absolute free will dead"!

so can He have different will from the father? bladdermouth.

How can the same person have different will? Can a line be straight and curved at the same time?
MuttleyLaff claimed Jesus is God (perhaps God 2). However in a twist of event, God 2 wanted (willed) something different from God 1. God 1 (willed) something different from God 2.
What makes a person a person? If blabbermouth were to be cloned (100%) into 3,000 persons, the whole 3,000 will have the same will!
Trinity will be MuttleyLaff's stumbling block. (He did not/could not attend to my question in that other thread. My brotherly advice will be for him to back down here, if he forces it, well...)

AkinwaleJJ:
This is where it calls for discernment on the part of the reader!
God only focus on his own plans, so he is able to see anybody having to do with that arrangement even before they're born. It's like you are planning to renovate and decorate your house, surely you can foretell that bricklayers, painters, interior decorators, tilers, plumbers, electricians will work there and you can also foresee disturbing conditions like rain, windstorm and disappointments from the labourers. Certainly you have to plan ahead of all this if you're wise.

So the success of God's plan is a certainty it's those coming into the arrangement that he is creating chances for that's why he is like foreseeing so much about the Jews because the Christ is to be born from that lineage, anybody whether positively or negatively going to do anything to affect his plans is his concentration.
When professional foretellers of events try to do the same they're dealing with demons who will manipulate events to prove they're also gods even when their own predictions has nothing to do with God's plan for the earth. That's why the Covid19 pandemic came upon all foretellers of events as a shock because all those demons have no power to see it coming.

1. Who or what agent is responsible for this Covid-19 pandemic?
2. Can you list those events God foresaw of the Jews?

AkinwaleJJ, in the exodus of the Israelites, Who hardened Pharaoh's heart?

MuttleyLaff:
We'll see how you and Blabbermouth will fare if you do have the bottle to actually take the freewill guinea pig experiment test full on, lmso

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Lee ma oo (in brother Shaggy's voice)
You will never never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever (× infinity) be able to prove that that EVERYONE has ABSOLUTE FREEWILL!
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JESUS: I don't want to take this cup, let it pass over me
Almighty: Take the cup son.
JESUS: I will place your will above mine. If you want me to take the cup, your unending love for me (and mine for you) has compelled me to place your will above mine, Father, I will take it.
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I'm 100% sure you will go the extreme and twist the definition of "will" and "freewill" in the long run, the same thing you did with Romans9.

AkinwaleJJ:
God knows the type of future he's planning [Jere 29:11] and he can fish out people who already have that type of thinking, but as for others he's working towards inviting them to reason along! Isai 1:18

God's plan.

Peterrio:
Big future events like the fall of Babylon, medes and Persia, etc

Select individuals like prophet Jeremiah (not fufeyin), Jesus birth and life, Etc

Hmmmm

Peterrio:
Maybe because we are free willed, plus I feel a lot of happenings in the universe are automated, he can't actually tell ALL exact future events CORRECTLY

Don't you think this makes Him appear less, you know, Divine and Omni-everything?

Ps: Do take your time and go through the pages whenever you are chanced.

Peterrio:
So, I personally believe he knows ALL things to come

But I can't say what's actually limiting him

That's cool.

Peterrio:
Personally I feel that the idea of God has so many exaggerations to it

Ohhh, do go through page 7-10.

I would say that he doesn't actually foreknow every single detail

Why? What's limiting Him?

But he certainly knows some big future events and a few special individuals

Examples sir. Examples of;
1. The big future events and a few special individuals which God know of.
2. An Example of the above which is 100% independent of God's orchestration /declaration

But beyond that, he doesn't know if you will finally stick with good or evil, you're free to choose any

With the use of the subjective word "IF" and a lot of "warnings, fatherly advises, Godly advises"that the Almighty himself used all over the old testament and Jesus still use till today, I believe you are not wrong.

But there are guys, in my opinion, that are stuck with good, predestined that way

Different folks will surely have minute differences in doctrination.

Peterrio:
Please direct me to the fireworks, I just hope its not all sentimental argument, without logic

I need to know the firework pages

Page 7-10.
Before that, we argued with the case of a foetus, discussed on if a time machine model can be an applicable illustration for how God foreknows the future, and the model of time from God's standpoint and from man.
Happy Reading!

Peterrio:
Does God know the future?
Or Can God tell if one is going to be condemned or not?

So far I have seen four (4) different interesting viewpoints to the matter:

1. God knows everything, absolutely everything, including whether you will be condemned or not

2. God can choose not to foreknow certain information

3. God doesn't know everything, he only knows some big events and a few special individuals

4. God doesn't actually foreknow anything, whatever it seems that he foreknows actually is prophesied into being, or declared into being

Please add yours

Add yours.

Peterrio:
I read 1,2, 15 and 16

Awwwnnn, you missed the fireworks.
What say ye, Does God really know the future?
PS: The strength to drag the discussion on and on has finished, but I do hope I learn few or a lot of things from your view.

AkinwaleJJ:
Alll jws think alike, students of the GB!

It's a nice feature. However, in your case it has its cons.