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IamDavids:
Yes it was. I really appreciate those who gave me their votes. I didn't deserve it tbh. There were folks with better handwriting than mine. ilegendd nah man you be. More grease to your elbow.

Who am I going to nominate like this??

Promotion crowned your little effort. (I no bad mouth your handwriting though)

chizzypresh:
This is mine
Mehn,it ain't fine ooo but just like am

I don help you with one "like" because we have the same handwriting.

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haddeylium:
Let us consider one another so as to motivate to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together.”​—(Hebrews 10:24, 25,)
How can a Christ-dependent independent religionist applied that?

That was an admonishment from the writer. I do not in any way risk losing my salvation if I decide to stay alone and fellowship with God and with the Lord Jesus (1 John 1:3).

Jesus formed a group in his walk on Earth. He also showed that his disciples will form an organized group when he said
:“By this all will know that you are my disciples​—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35)
They're identified by love among themselves ?
With this they'll form an association of brotherhood 1 Peter 2:​17

It's more of an assembly of called out ones, having a new government system and a new king - Christ Jesus (Acts 17:7) than some mere brotherhood.
Even if you leave here alone and go to Mars, that fruit continues producing in you. The fruit is not dependent on your group or only shows up when you gather together, it depends solely on your continual abiding in Christ (John 15:4)

is it possible for an imperfect human to singlehandedly cultivate all the fruitage of the spirit?

Singlehandedly? Impossible!
With God, through the union of His word and the move of his spirit, 100% possible while still on earth!

The person that brought Christ to me did not entice me with his eloquent or apologetic ability, it was the fragrance of the fruit of the spirit that compelled me to yield.
Later later, my Faith was strengthened by unrefuttable demonstration of God's power, by vessels that have yielded to allowing the glory of God manifest in them.
Talk about Word of Knowledge, Talk about Prophecy, yea, even healing!

Now, you can claim it is possible they were powered by foul spirits, but so far in my life, I have not seen a spirit having access to the deep things in God's own mind. Devil is not in partnership with Jesus, why should he use demonic demonstration of the supernatural to the end of making me saved from death (his own grip) and getting closer to God?

MuttleyLaff:
Care to show what fortunately and unfortunately, you consider is wrong in all that vybzkartel's confident submission and powerful statement of fact, hmm?

No problem, I will.

Kobojunkie:
What you are attempting to do here with your assertions about the "natural body", is akin to adding your words to the word of God...essentially putting words into God's mouth. Since God never said anything about the "natural body", which He created and declared 'good', being too weak and frail for His plan of eternity... why anyone would believe it to be so is beyond me!

Now, you've ended up in a close.
Next time, don't start what you can't finish.

Kobojunkie:
I cannot give you what logically doesn't exist. Jesus Christ never suggested that the gift of eternity is not included for what you call the "natural body", and so logically, there was no word from Him on the matter. Given that Jesus Christ is the TRUTH of God, only that which He posits is Truth. That which He does not put forth is not His Truth.

Wow! I love you last sentences. " Only what Jesus posits is Truth".. Now nigga, show me where Jesus' own word posits eternal life for this current natural body.

Also, my conclusion was drawn from the fact that such a statement is indeed missing from Jesus Christ's own declarations as regards the gift He indeed has for those who believe in Him(regardless of whether they obey Him or not).

Story, story, story. You are not my Lord, I don't need your conclusion. Show me Jesus' own words, until you do so, your conclusion remains invalid and useless in this discussion.

So, the onus remains on you to provide proof for your claim that eternity is not for the "natural body" which we have today and have had since the beginning when God made it.

Onus, on me? Thou must be joking.

Kobojunkie:
Since, Jesus Christ never suggested in any way that this "natural body" was indeed weak and frail for 'eternity', why would He have been expected to broach such a topic to begin with?

I don't want your premises or conclusion. Give me Jesus' own words!

Remember, the assumption that the "natural body" is not suitable for eternity is yours, and to this point, you have yet to show that it is even based on the word of God.

The onus is on you. Give me Jesus' own words, not your assumption that since Jesus didn't say this or that, then bla bla bla bla is how it truly is.

For your mind, your approach is wise. Let that same approach dig into the scripture and tell us where Jesus said it is this current natural body that we will continue to use.

DappaD:
And how did you know it was you I had in mind? There's no other person on this thread, apart from you, is that it?

Yea it was impersonal, I intentionally personalized it.

After all when you go about maligning JWs you don't see anyone correcting you.

When I never knew some kind of doctrines that you peddle, I've always watched from the sidelines and just waka pass.

If you correctly me truthfully, I will change. Worst case scenario, ego won't let me show it, but then, I go change.

Kobojunkie:
Again, I am not asking for your opinion because as far as God and the things of God are concerned, your thoughts mean nothing. What I need is God's own word declaring that indeed, the "natural body" He made and declared "good" from the beginning is not worthy of His gift of eternal life and so would need to be rebuilt/remade/replaced.... where does God state this? Where does Jesus Christ suggest this to be the case?

Use the door then. I asked you a simple question, you dodged and started babbling about. If you want to eat the moi-moi, you have no choice than to open the ewé first.

Alright now, two can play the game.
Give me Jesus' own word that says that this your current natural body need no replacement or glorification, but will be used to live eternally in either heaven or on earth.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said, ".... man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD". Paul's opinion is just that until we have verified it against the word of God Himself. And, I believe, I have made myself severely clear when it comes to whose word matters in all of this. Please try to post where God Almighty, either directly through one of His old testament Prophets, or His own avatar, Jesus Christ, stated that the "natural body" is not qualified for eternity.

Lead the way first with what I asked you to do.
Tell us - how does a body that goes weak, fragile and useless with time, live for eternity?

You sounded like a primary
sorry, Nursery school kid when you compared 1,000 years with eternity. Look at that body at 1,000 years and compare it with what it was at year 0.

haddeylium:
Yet, Wisdom is Justified by its works!

It's not enough to claimed to belong to a religion or to be a Christian. Jesus himself said : “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom (Matthew 7:16, 17)
Like counterfeit money, false religion has no real value such religion is actually harmful. True religion gives everlasting life while false religion leads to destruction.

Spot on.

How do we identify the true religion today?

That is a fool's question (I ain't calling you a fool though). The right question is - How do we identify a follower of Christ, or say a witness of Yahweh ?

Jesus said “By their fruits you will recognize them,” he said. “Every good tree produces fine fruit.” (Matthew 7:16, 17)

Yes! By their fruits, you will definitely recognize those that name the name of Christ.

In summary, true religion worshippers of Yahweh would be recognized by their beliefs and their conduct.

Fixed. Jesus didn't carry his cross and say - Dance behind me while I go. Y'all independently ought to carry your cross and follow him. Your daddy's works will not help you. If your GB made it to the kingdom of God, don't jubilate! They will not be the one to determine if you will make it.

What fruit does the true religion produce a Christian produce?

Fixed.

Mention those producing the fruit or practicing it

Love, Joy and Peace .

If you have been on this thread sharing your opinion, this is for you. keep the same energy and validate your belief

My belief never needed a validation.

DappaD:
Because even some of your fellow churchgoers and independent freethinker Christ-dependent religionists might disagree with you on that.
Do demons believe God and Jesus or not? (James 2:19)
Isn't there a difference in mere believing in something and acting towards it?

Fixed.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, how about this - where are the conditions you claim for the "natural body" as far as eternity is concerned stated by God Himself?

I don't have the strength to type again, read my first reoly.

Where did Jesus Christ, in His own words, state that the "natural body" would need to be replaced with an eternal body which would be non-weak/non-frail and non-useless-with-time, for the gift of eternity to kick in?

Are you one of those guys that believes the writing of Paul are erroneous? If you are not, read 1 Corinthians 15

engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

Pls help a brother and take to front page

Cc: Shadeyinka and Emusan.
Brother needs an answer to his question.

achorladey:
Let's agree that madame has not even conceived it in her heart.

Why go into TAGS, LABELS or Name CALLING all in the name of trying to make a point.

Well, according to the JFT Bible.

Michellos 23:34 - A madame can abuse an Adam if she feels like. She is protected from reproach by the anointing from the GB.

So bro, she can easily use TAGS, LABELS, and even ABUSIVE WORDS to make a point.

Kobojunkie:
Nothing about the story of Adam suggests that the pronouncement of "Death" after man's fall, in the beginning, meant just the death of the natural body. According to the book, sin-filled man(as in mind, body, and soul) dies/perishes, not just his "natural body"

We were talking about the natural body, so I needed not to expand the other section death affected.

Did you not hear? Jesus Christ came bearing a free gift, a gift He offered to everyone who believes in Him, eternal life, not predicated on first ridding oneself of the "natural body", no, eternal life... so, though God pronounced death(the body and soul) beginning with Adam, through Jesus Christ, by believing in Him, sin-filled man(as in mind, body and soul)gains complete absolution from that pronouncement. So I am not certain where this story that the "natural body" cannot withstand eternity really comes from.

Hope you read my reply to you well? Nothing in what you said negates any point in my reply. Like I said, natural body can withstand eternity, but it has to be under the conditions I stated before.

Try your way around it and tell us how a body that goes weak, frail and useless with time, can withstand eternity.

AkinwaleJJ:
So when has a warning become an offence?

Even the JFT Bible knows the LORD looks at the heart. You've conceived it madame, with time you will surely spit those bars.

vybzkartel:
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS YHWH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Isaiah 45:22-23

[22]“Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

[23] I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath.

Philippians 2:9-10

[9]Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,

[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,

Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Lord God Almighty.


Halleluyah

Fortunately and unfortunately, your assertion is wrong!

achorladey:
You need to be badged with the website logo or perhaps declare your allegiance to the GB before CONFIRMATION.

Jesus said - I am the door, the way to the Father. Some governing body came ahead and claimed I can't go to Jesus, and then to God without passing through them.

You don't need, and never will you ever need the permission, admission or acceptance of some unrecognized GB to be a witness for Yahweh.

Like I said, Yahweh and the Lord Jesus does not recognize their GB nor their group.
John 3:16 Jesus said WHOEVER/ANYONE , he never said ANY GROUP!

The same person (Janosky) that says JESUS is Yahweh's witness can't accept those that witness about Jesus who he says witnesses about Yahweh is a Yahweh witness

D tin pain am. E bin dey tink say na the name of their group make them special.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Janosky:
Worshippers of Triune deities are witnesses of whom?
Did Jesus worship Triune deities?

Bros, you are entitled to your say.
No wahala

Come out here and show me what you know about Yahweh that they do not know.

Perhaps I should poke fun about the most stupid conclusion on earth - Jesus is Angel Michael.
Somehow somehow, all the apostles, starting from peter to John, Stephen, James, Jude, and even Paul never for once said - "Need I remind you that our Lord Jesus was a mighty angelic creature before he came to earth, his name then was Michael".
Nobody, not even Jesus himself dedicated a scripture for it, and somehow you guys will come out here and say - Jesus is Angel Michael.

Nigga, those Yahweh witnesses I mentioned know the Lord Jesus as much (if not far more) as you do.

Kobojunkie:
How do you know it is not possible with the "natural" body though? When it was recorded that man lived almost 1000 years on earth, was it not in this same "natural" body that man did just that? If this "natural" body can indeed survive almost a thousand years, why not eternity? Basically, what makes it unsuitable for eternity?

Death! The day your guy Adam caused that kasala, your body and every other thing subjected to Adam has been on a constant decay slope. The decay process can be slow or can sometimes be fast, but one thing is sure, the end product is -Death!

If the natural body (I mean after Adam chopped the forbidden) was to live an eternity, it will continue decaying infinitely but never getting to the end - which is Death.
This is not a body befitting for the King of the earth who will reign forever.

If the natural body (Adam in his original state) was to live an eternity, it will live eternally on earth - it wasn't perfectly adapted for the heaven, yea, the heaven of heavens.

achorladey:
What was meant to liberate people is insubordinating them into something else.

Absolutely.

Paul, of Peter, of Stephen, I tend to see these disciples of Christ starting with a group too but when they know this......
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ

They abandoned those insubordination and manipulation and faced REALITY before them which is the Christ.

Like the GB who called themselves Guardians of our Doctrine = GoD

Setting themselves (in stead of the LORD) as rulers over those that believe they witness for Jehovah. That's irritating!

Janosky:
Don't DECEIVE yourself.

Read this screenshot by "brocab", a Triune idol devotee on this forum condemning their Trinity Fraud.


Triune idol worshippers and devotees don't know Yahweh , the Only True God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus Christ and JWs.

There is nothing truthful you know about Yahweh that they don't know.

Like I said, just like many others, all those I mentioned are witnesses of Yahweh. I.O.W - Yahweh's witnesses.

AkinwaleJJ:
I would have taken you serious if any other group is mentioned apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!
All the commentators in the forum surely belongs to one group or another, but it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that have spoken out as a unique group, all others are ashamed of their teachings!

In just 2 sentences, you use the word "group" 3 times. Why are y'all (that includes the others too) so fixated on this nonsense as if it is scriptural?

AkinwaleJJ:
They've ignored the evidence Jesus himself foretold regarding how to recognize true worshipers so there is no way they can come up with a proof of pure worship, i think that's why they're all arguing bitterly to debunk recognition of a true Christian group.

Whenever I see the words "Christian group", I feel sorry for the likes of Paul, of Peter, of Stephen, who died defending the truth and holding steadfastly to the fact that denomination is carnality. I feel sorry for myself that I haven't heeded the call of the Lord earlier, I feel so bad that at many phases, I ran my races with unnecessary weights (Heb 12:1-2) that has slowed my journey down.
Oh Lord, when? When? When will it be due for you to crush this nonsense that has thwarted and prevented the glory of God from being truly manifest in Christians?

But then they want to falsify the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole even when they are saying a true Christian could be found in any religious group claiming Christian.
Well that's what they don't know how to establish now!

Group! Organization! Church! All these jagba jantis.
During the CAMA saga, I felt so irritated looking at pastors saying " My church ", " the church I built with my own hands", "My people".... When did Jesus stop being our Lord and went ahead to appoint some GB, some Pope, some G.O, some whatever.

I just can't wait to wake up from sleep, put on some lazy Saturday outfit and open my mouth in praise - knowing the church is radiating its inherited glory in the fullness of its brightness.
Not these powerless, biased love, hypocritical, corrupt fellowship and rottenness we ALL (that includes Pentecostal, Catholic, JW, seventh-day advenist, bla bla bla...)manifest now.

Hiswordxray:
This post is a series, in order for you not to misunderstand what is shared here, it is best for you to read the previous posts on my profile.

Church (a hall-like building) is the place for ministry and can have whatever title they want except elder/bishop/pastor. Those designations are not designed for the church system — they are not ministry terms, they are ecclesia terms. Pastoring is based on relationship, intimacy, and the ecclesia is the structure designed for such kind of intimacy. Bishops are overseers of ecclesia, they are not heads of ministry. Their business is not with ministry but ecclesia. Elders too is an ecclesia term, and has no place in ministry.

I am not sure if you will be able to understand these things. The present structure of Christianity is casting so much darkness that it makes it difficult to understand the true pattern. In the first century Paul would teach in the synagogue, which was a hall. And in Ephesus Paul rented a hall to teach. Those were not ecclesia, it is more like what we call church today, it is a preaching/teaching station. All they do there is preach. But ecclesia is held in the homes, and it involves mutual fellowship; iron is sharpening iron, intimacy is taking place, and they are helping to shape each other into the image of Christ.

Notice that the hall where Paul taught was not called the house of God. In Ephesus it was a secular place, an ordinary lecture hall. Yes, ministry are done in ordinary places, it is very unchristian to call a building the "house of God". This is not a joking matter, it was a taboo during the first and second century. Stephen died defending this truths. Even down to the second century, they were mocked and criticized for not having a church (a building dedicated to their God) and yet they refused to do such. Yes, church literary means "that which is dedicated to a god", and it is usually used to refer to a building, a temple.

The first complete English translation of the Bible (Tyndale Bible) only used the word church twice in the New Testament. And in both instances it was referring to a pagan temple. The idea of having a church was vehemently fought against in early Christianity. I will show you evidence. Just as we have the letters of the New Testament, the early Christians continued the tradition of writing letters. The letters of the NT gives us a window into the first century Christianity. The second century Christians also wrote letters, and these letters gives us a window into the second century Christianity

"The Word, prohibiting all sacrifices and the
building of temples, indicates that the Almighty is not contained in anything." Clement of Alexandria (c 195, E).

"We refuse to build lifeless temples to the
Giver of all life.... Our bodies are the temple of God... When they reproach us for not deeming it necessary to worship the divine Being by raising lifeless temples, we set before them our temples. Origen (c. 248, E).

You can see that they were even criticizing them for not building a church, yet they vehemently refused to do so. That last quote was from the mid third century, but as at this time Christians have gradually began to move from worshipping at their houses to worshipping in catacombs. They claimed that the grave of the apostles were holy grounds. Then in the fourth century they began building churches on those graves. St. Peter Basilica was built on what was assumed to be Peter's grave. In fact, they became so perverse that they moved from the apostles' to the grave of any famous Christian saint.

If they can't build on those saints grave they would transfer the remains of the dead saints and bury them under the church altar. That church altar was actually a grave of dead saints. They developed this ideology that the grave of saints are one of the most holy places on earth. This was how we started calling the church altar a holy ground. Some churches today don't even allow the Choirs to climb the church altar because they feel it is too holy for such kind of people. All these are perverse pagan mentality

In fact, that period of the Church history was a very terrible period. They were so obsessed with the remains of the apostles and holy saints. They would search for them like gold, then they will break the bones into small pieces and put a rope into it. That was how rosery started, it was a rope of relics (bones and remains) of the apostles and holy saints. Christianity started turning into a pagan thing, they were literally worshipping dead bodies. Anyway, our topic is on the pastoral system, I only said all that to show you the level of degradation and perversion of the Christian community as at that period.

Before going back to the pastoral system, I will quickly state this. The idea of doing church (worshipping in a physical building designated as the house of God) is not Christian, it is pagan. It is a paganize Christianity. The only way that churches can redeem themselves back into true Christianity is if they recant such ideology and teaching. And if they begin to see themselves as just ministries, and the buildings are just halls for ministry like the hall that Paul rented in Ephesus or like the Jewish civic hall called synagogue.

But as long as they continue to call that thing the house of God and treat it as a place of worship, then what they are doing is paganism. It is an impure thing, a perversion of God's original intention for the New Covenant people. Anyway, I will employ you to do your own research, we are in the age of information. We have Google, you can go research on everything I have written here. Research about the early Christian practice, confirm the quotes I made here if they are authentic. Don't sit in ignorance and be practicing paganism, find out the truth and make the necessary adjustments.

This post belongs to a series. To read the rest of the series check by profile or visit:
https://exodus-ecclesia..com

Hey DappaD, you can grasp a thing or two from this guy's article and see also why denomination was never Yah's plan or Yahshua's prototype of Christianity.

If only we have settled down and diligently studied the words of Peter and Stephen in Acts 2 and Acts 7 respectively, we won't be dabbling into a lot of unprofitable heresies and erroneous doctrines like this.

Janosky:
Acts15:14. 2 Chro7:14 and John 9:4 dey your Bible?

John 9:4 ,Acts 3:13, who are the "We"?
Answer :Jehovah''s servants, a group inclusive of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob et al.

Acts 2:42-46, are they an organized group ?

Acts15:14 , "People for God's name", Jehovah's people , His Organization. (2 Chro7:14 "People called by my (Jehovah's) name"


Bros, You have the right to Blabber your mouth.
No wahala..

If so, the likes of MuttleyLaff, Shadeyinka, Emusan, Johnw47, livingChrist, solite3, JesusJnr, and co. are all witnesses for Yahweh i.o.w - Yahweh's witnesses.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

livingchrist:
I dont see Jehovah witness organization there?

Lol. Ask him to give you the JFT version of those scriptures, you will definitely see it boldly written there.

CodeTemplar:
When the bible says Paul planted appollos watered but God gave the increase, if doesn't mean Paul planted on infertile land.

Okay.
Do you tithe in your church?