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ReeLoaDead:
GOATS win for country while actual goats complain about the football pitch

puyol is the GOAT then
Mtchewww

ReeLoaDead:
Messi has failed to win any trophies for Argentina senior national team ... he is instead busy blaming the pitch

soooo

Beverlyjean:
All those players were already stars when they joined city... Iniesta and xavi were already international and established players that had won the CL b4 his arrival ..

Sterling, sane, Bernardo, KDB are world class b4 pep??
Even that useless pogba na star {he won a world cup naw}, so that's not wah we were talking abt.
It seems u don't even know wat u are debating abt.
Don't worry, we sha both know Guardiola is better and a greater coach than mourinho

Beverlyjean:
Maradona is light years ahead of Messi individually... Pele is the Ronaldo of today when it comes to playing style but maradona is Messi of today... But maradona individually floors Messi...

Maradona used different set of teams for both club and country to achieve greatness... The moment xavi and iniesta left barca , Messi could not take Barca to the final of CL again till date... Winning la Liga continuesly can't b a determinant for the title goat... Spanish league is like the Italian league or German league or French league... Let him join real Madrid and Ronaldo Barca and let me know how many titles he will b able to win

Golden boot ,, ballon d'or and d others. Am not concerned abt titles.
'Saul at his finest in battles wasn't greater than David who killed a single Goliath"
Wow!! maradona is individually greater than Messi?? Tell me more.
{a girl once said "ballon d'or is d koko" , when a survey was carried out by a reputable body, they affirmed that maradonna would have been awarded 2 ballon d'or}

Beverlyjean:
We are comparing Ronaldo and Messi , not those names mentioned above... Is it that u guys have a problem processing facts and opinions??

1. What REE LOA DED said was Messi isn't the GOAT and it should be sm1 else . I asked him who? and he mentioned cr7 {because he won with club and country} . Then I showed him better pple that won with club and country, who should have been called GOAT.
2. Do u knw why this argument continue to abound?? Your basis of deciding the GOAT is skewed to support your claim. While Messians too would skew the GOAT determinant to support messi.
3. on what basis do u CR7 fan think the GOAT status should be judged by??
PS: don't tell me shit abt winning with club and country, I could mention 100 other players
4.Football is an 11 man In a team game. and any body useful or useless could lay claim that he won this trophy or that trophy.
The only reasonable way to judge a player's greatness is by what he himself did or had achieved in service.
We usually use ballon d'or until messi was leading 4-1 b4 u all started shouting foul!!! {we understand ur love 4 a player, but dont be bias}
5. By individual greatness tell me a single player greater than Messi, both past or present. {do u now understand why he is called the GOAT}

Beverlyjean:
Mourinho produced deco , turned milito to one of the most feared strikers at that time ... Turned lampard from average to world class ... Duff and robben... Ricardo cavahlio ... Under him John Terry became world class... Peter cech ...

~ in Barcelona alone
1. the best player the world had ever seen- cuchitinni
2. Best midfield duo of their generation- Xavi and iniesta
3. Sergio busquet - one of the best DMF of his generation.
He brought {and is still bringing} the best out of
1. Raheem sterling
2. Leroy sane
3. Bernardo Silva 4. KDB
I can't start blabbing abt who this or that produced.
My own is
1. Guardiola has more trophies {And not in only a club, I knew U would have trolled with that, if the nigga didn't go to England and shut u up}
2. Guardiola is still in the game
PS: I heard mourinho would be given a job at Newcastle , how great ... lol!!!

Guardiola is greater and better.
Stats and logic speak for him

Jokerman:
1. Tell us how many player Pep produced that have turned out to be world class... Produced not coached....

2. Not necessarily

U are the one taking it down this lane. So tell me d one mourinho produced.
2. why were u mentioning those they coached b4??.
God bless Guardiola for me.
He shut all of u up

Jokerman:
Is pep man city that won 100 points, the best EPL team of all time??

Because ur point holds no water, u are now trying to force me claim nonsense.

Jokerman:
Does sacking take away his records or belittle them??

1. u claimed its only 1 season that DAT he has been trophy less 2. sacking is not good to be in a great coach cv

ReeLoaDead:
CR7 has won for club and country. I know it pains you.... You are the one the quoted me in the first place ... come back when Messi wins a trophy for Argentina senior national team

Xavi has won for club and country
Zidane has won for club and country
Pirlo has won for club and country.
This people according to ur method of judgement. Deserve the GOAT title , Not Ronaldo

Beverlyjean:
Pls prove to us whr it's written that Messi scores high ranking nations...

In FIFA competitions... In the world cup Messi has only scored Serbia, Nigeria, Iran, Bosnia..that's all ...Messi has never scored Brazil in any competition... Other teams in South America or north America are not standard teams... Europe has the highest number of competitive teams in football... Messi has never scored a former world champion in his career ( in a competitive game)

Ronaldo has scored in FIFA or uefa competitions against Spain hat trick, Netherlands twice euro 2004 and 2016 a brace, Belgium twice, Czech Republic 2ice, Croatia.... He even scored against Messis Argentina in a 1.1 draw friendly

Show us messis stats ... He only scores against low ranking teams mentioned above, u can add Mexico, Panama Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Trinidad and Tobago and of cause Nicaragua that won him his first enforced title of beating them .useless teams

Stats don't do Justice toh a player. it is its illusion DAT affects ur judgement

Jokerman:
1. Tell us how many player Pep produced that have turned out to be world class... Produced not coached....

2. Not necessarily

Na me start d talk abt coach wey fit produce player??/
Altho, I can bullshit this your claim. Let's take this on a logical level

Jokerman:
Mourinho too, only one season without a trophy

Oga don't be silly.
Dem dey sack ur so-called greatest manager

ReeLoaDead:
Not Messi for sure GOATs deliver for club and country

Who If u can't mention sm1 worthy , don't quote meh

Jokerman:
What Mourinho did at Porto is bigger than what he did at Bayern

What Mourinho did at Chelsea is bigger than what pep is doing at City

So you know his Madrid side is the best Laliga team of all time with a record of 100 points and 32 home wins and 121 goals

See mumu stats!!!
"mourinho's Madrid is the best laliga team of all time"
Gerrarahia ,, I won't argue with u again, u argue with mumu stats

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jstbeinhonest:
Guardiola won 90 points the hıghest in Bundensliga history. He also won 6 trophıes ın a calender year (all the major trophıes he challenged for that year), somethıng that hasn't been replicated. He also has never been sacked compared to that Portuguese Fraud that has been sacked from hıs last three clubs. 4 years ago,it was a debate, now you're just trolling.

Only in a season had Guardiola been without trophy.
sound am make them hear.

jstbeinhonest:
Who scored the winning goals 2009 & 2011 finals respectively?

She doesn't watch football matches. Let her be

ReeLoaDead:
Mr Crètinous fûcktard ... how many trophies has Messi won for Argentina senior national team?? Let me hear how you and your boyfriend use the “second place is an achievement” logic again, I need to laugh some more
Maradona delivered World Cup glory
Messi cannot even deliver Copa America
Messi is a goat not the GOAT

Seen.
Now, who is the GOAT??

Jokerman:
Lol... My fellow Barca fan.... I thought you were making mouth that pep is the best at managing or building players

Joke aside, 1. Did mourinho produced those u mentioned, or he coached them??
2. Is the quality of players u have coached now determines a coach's greatness??
Laugh wan kill me, well answer me those qst first b4 I strike u with that same sword u wield

Smartmanager:
Sorry

seen

Smartmanager:
Sorry

seen

virago:
You can deduce your answer from my statement , 2 is always greater than one

there were two different question 4rm 2 different people.
Mine was , who is now greater between messi and Ronaldo

Jokerman:
Lol... Clown

Guardiola 1 treble Mourinho 1 treble
Guardiola 100 points Mourinho 100 points
Guardiola 2UCL (Barcelona) Mourinho (2 UCL with Porto and Inter)
Guardiola (3 leagues title in 3 countries) Mourinho (4 league titles in 4 countries)
Guardiola ( back to back league titles in 3 countries) Mourinho (back to back league titles in 3 countries)

Now analyze well

Which 1 would u like me to start with, Guardiola's mad achievement at Barcelona or his current spell at England??
choose wisely
{for Leniency, I removed Bayern out of the equation}

ReeLoaDead:
So you have reduced Messi to the lower level that you celebrate 2nd place?? So you are in effect calling him a disabled goat??
Why did Messi not score in those finals?? Is it the same reason that he did not score from open play in Copa 2019?? Or let me guess, it was the football pitch abi ??

Frankaka8 can u remember that bicycle kick Ronaldo scored at Euro 2016 final, and that long range shot he scored from Italy at UNL 2019 finale.
Let him know mumu question doth require mumu answers

virago:
Mind you Kanu has two trophies for Nigeria and Victor Moses has only one

That wasn't the response to my question

Jokerman:
You are just a clown

Apart from Messi, can you tell us any player better than Lampard or Sneijder that Mourinho coached, that Pep has produced??

Mourinho also made 100 points with Real Madrid on Laliga scoring 121 league goals

I saw dis same digital noise u typed in another thread, when did Guardiola became a nanny or player caretaker ??

Jeferious:
In a football team, there are eleven players: defenders, midfielders and strikers. They all have obligations to fulfill in each match, according to the positions they occupy on the pitch. It's just a pity that the media is excessively focused on forwards. Those who score the goals have the spotlight focused on them, while all others who contribute to every other facet of the game apart from goalscoring are largely ignored. For the first time since 2006, FIFA is appreciating that football is bigger than scoring goals. We saw it last year when Modric won the Ballon d'or, and it could also happen this year if Van Dijk wins it too.

Secondly, Portugal is not a lowly team. Rui Patricio is a brilliant goalkeeper. Pepe, Jose Fonte and Bruno Alves are all world-class centre-backs. Raphael Guerrero is doing well at Dortmund Borrusia. Cedric is average, but his game is really improving. William Carlvaho is the brain behind Real Betis dominating Barcelona in terms of ball possession this season. I would put him in the same class with Sergio Busquets. A veritable midfield boss. Andre Gomes, Joao Moutinho, Renato Sanches are not bad players. Goncalo Guides was outstanding for Valencia this past season. What would I say about Bernardo Silva, or Quaresma? My dear, Portugal is a fairly good team, and Ronaldo has great teammates surrounding him in his national side. Besides the team has a great coach who has been more than able to coordinate that team.

Messi is obviously a better individual player than Ronaldo, though I must confess that Ronaldo is far more ambitious. The former relies mainly on his talent and technical genius too much- he is too laidback for my liking. However, if he had teammates who supplied what he lacked as a player, he would have with their help won something with Argentina. But his teammates don't help matters. They rely on him too much... obviously they fail to recognize that he's just a "laidback" genius who has nothing else to offer than talent and immense technical abilities.

But still at that, Messi is better than Ronaldo or any other player in history. The GOAT title was originally meant for him. Ronaldo's fans stole the title because they thought their icon is giving the Argentine a run for his money. Of course, they would always supply useless stats to prove a futile point. But Messi is that kind of player that whatever stats you supply in his favour would not do justice to what he has contributed to the game. A laidback genius quite alright, but a pure genius. 100% genius.

Of course, I expect dissent to my opinion. I expect to see some express that the Portuguese Ronaldo is the rightful GOAT. No problem. Just conduct my little experiment of taking Messi out of the picture, and compare the Portuguese Ronaldo with Maradona, De Lima, Zidane, Pele, Rivaldo. You'd see the stupidity in that claim with your own eyes.

Beverlyjean , cr7lomo and DAT hideous Jokerman should reread this again.
Number 1 reason why the only thing a typical Cr7 fan could conjure up are goal stats.
I could ask anyone of them who is the best goal scorer in Europe and u would see how biased their response would be
Sm1 even said Ronaldo is GOAT because he has conquered in different league while Ferguson is greatest manager because of what he achieved with MAN UTD {that's only a club just like Messi }
Another fan said Guardiola isn't greater than mourinho because he jumps from club to club that could easily win their respective league {exactly what Ronaldo did}
U can say "I love Ronaldo the most" no one would drag u for that " but that "Ronaldo is the GOAT?!!!"
That's a no no!
Moreover that term was originally for Messi. Same with "god of football" too

Beverlyjean:
I even tot I was even arguing with an informed analyst... I dint even know u don't even know anything apart from Barca and Messi... That's the reason y u are not well informed...

So u don't know mourinho did back to back with Chelsea , inter Milan and Porto in his first seasons there... So u don't know he won treble with Porto twice and once with inter..
Frank rijkaard was the person that set up Barca and not guadiola for ur info

I'm done with u...tot I was even arguing with someone that knows football eni4real is even way more informed than u ...just that he is biased...and I understand as a fan

This was how u shld have answered my question (s)
1. Mourinho won treble with inter only {I asked u dis qst bcus u said he won treble with Porto, and with ur statement I felt you don't know wat a treble is generally referred to (UCL, League cup, and the country's league 1 title)}
5. Mourinho did a back to back with Chelsea { in this question I was only referring to EPL}
(ps: guess I was ignorant that mourinho did it at Chelsea in his first spell there)
THINGS U WERE IGNORANT ABT
1. What a treble is generally referred to as
2. the context of "back-to-back " I was referring to
3. U don't really know anything abt Barcelona, if u did, u won't be mentioning rijkaard . if u had called Cruyff, it would still be tolerably debatable.
So don't go down that lane at all!!!
4. eni4real knows football STATS than I do, and I admit. But did u notice he hasn't convinced u nor u 'him. Everyone could tweak stats based on wat favors u or ur opinion. Dats why I prefer logic.
there is one guy on this thread (maybe this page sef) , convincing u that if messi is removed from the picture how the jigsaw of Ronaldo being the GOAT won't fit at all, if he had said these same thing with stats, u would have bombarded him with stats that suits u.
In some other thread, I purposely asked u a QST concerning Messi et Ronaldo "who is greater battle" , from u and Jokerman response, if the day eventually comes, u see hw speechless u would be. Just as u couldn't bring up anything for mourinho that Guardiola hasn't trampled upon, (where as there are other bullet of stats for Guardiola in his arsenal)
SmH... Take my advice tho, and start watching football.

Beverlyjean:
Pls don't mention 2010...that was fake, as long as snijder dint feature, that award was fake.... Pls whats the difference between snijder 2010 and Messi 2014 / modric 2018... They all got to the final of the WC and lost ... Snijder was top scorer and won the highest number of motm in that WC, won the treble with inter Milan but Messi won balon d'Or and snijder wasn't nominated... That's to show u hw Messi is always favoured

Tell Ballon d'or to take 2010 from Messi and 2013 from Ronaldo. ribery was robbed

Beverlyjean:
But mourinho also did the treble with Inter and Porto... Guadiola took up teams that were already used to winning league titles... Guadiola left but Barca still winning la Liga.. he also left Bayern and they are still winning bundesliga like they used to b4 he arrived... Man city were 2time champs within space of 3yrs with two different managers... Chelsea had never won the premier League till mourinho broke the arsenal man utd dominance and did it back to back , also accumulated the highest points ever as of then 95 points... So what u saying

Mourinho came to Spain and also broke the Barca dominance ... Barca won 09,10,11 b4 mourinho knocked guadiolas Barca in his second season and accumulated the first 100 points ever in la Liga , thereby sending guadiola into sabbatical leave

1. what treble did mourinho do?
2. U said Guardiola picked teams that were used to winning league titles, but isn't that what Ronaldo had been doing {yet u called Messians ,biased fans}
3. Barcelona continued their dominance bcus they followed Guardiola's philosophy .
4. Mourinho sent Guardiola to sabbatical leave? you must be ignorant. 09,10 and '11 which mourinho was present, Guardiola triumphed . He sent world class players away and put his Philosophy in his youngsters. Any team Guardiola touches they become mighty, his players become world class, U are sounding as if na players they give Guardiola trophy. Its his philosophy, his strategy, his tactic.
5. Which back to back did mourinho do? (b4 Guardiola's own was Ferguson}
6. When was the last time mourinho win a trophy
7. No manager in the world, I repeat no manager in the world has /had amazed Guardiola's achievement.
All mourinho's record u stated there was none, Guardiola doesn't have {in fact, his were better}

virago:
What are you on about
Both have won champions League Both have won the Premiership Kanu has won African football player of the year twice Kanu has won Olympic Gold medal Kanu has been listed in the top 6 FIFA player of the year Moses has won Nations cup

Please how is Moses better than Kanu

I get u. Now who is greater between messi and Ronaldo