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Does slavery not exist in Europe as well? I dont know too much about America

LET GOD ARISE


John Sellers (HM8)
© 1984 Integrity’s Hosanna! Music


Let God arise
(Repeat 3 times)

Let His enemies be scattered
But let the
Righteous be glad
Yes, let them rejoice
With gladness
God has triumphed mightily

(Repeat chorus & verse)
(Repeat chorus)


VICTORY SONG
(THROUGH OUR GOD)

Dale Garratt
© 1979 Scripture in Song/Adm by 1:19

Through our God
We shall do valiantly
For it is He Who shall
Thread down the enemy
We’ll sing and
Shout the victory
Christ is King

For God has won the victory
And set His people free
His Word has
Slain the enemy
The earth shall stand
And see that . . .

(Repeat Chorus & Verse)
(Repeat Chorus)

Christ is King
Christ is King

Ivvie,

please do you know where I can get that CD/cassette. I had it during my Youth ervice and I played it over and over again. I will be most grateful to find it. i've searched the internet without success.

For the captain of the hosts is Jesus,
we are following in His footsteps

Kobojunkie:
I watch BBC here myself and I have no problem with the pictures I see on there. I don't know what your channel 4 is. If you do not see nice pictures of Zimbabwe, then I suggest that instead of relying on the media to show you all the 1000 miles of Zimbabwe in just a couple of frames they have to show the news, you should go out there and do your own research to learn more about Zimbabwe and what it really has.

I dont expect you to have any problem with the pictures you may see about anything negative with respect to Africans. I've met a few people like you in the past and I do get the impression that you'd rather be white. If I felt so strongly white or western-minded as you, I wont even be coming to relate with Nigerians the way you are doing.

I wonder how many countries you have visited to do your own research. You rely on what you make of the things you see and I rely on what I make of the things I see

Nigerians are the daftest of people on earth!!!

Please dont be offended.

Nigerians never think deep about anything, too shallow to consider what might also affect them or their families in future, too preoccupied with the NOW and blinded to the future.

I can bet many of those who read this story or even withnessed the event will be booking BA flights in the coming weeks.

Shame on us all

Kobojunkie:
You do not want to watch CNN but you were quick to claim that the Western media is the problem , right??

How many times have you actually watched the BBC then?? Cause I have watched the same and even heard calls on the radio show "World Have your say" From Zimbabwe

I watch the BBC daily and listen to channel 4 news almost daily. Is the BBC now African media BTW, I never said I listened to BBC radio programmes.

ifyalways:
i Admire Rev Mrs dele George. . . .for her labours of love towards the orphans,widows etc.
A shinning star she is.

I also like Mrs Dele George. She used to attend our fellowship with Capt George till they started their ministry to orphans. She's a star!

Kobojunkie:
Start with CNN for one. I watch CNN ( America) and CNN international, BBC, FOX, MSNBC from here and I can tell for sure that Zimbabwe has good roads and developed infrastructure, even as it has rural areas with farms and villages to show. If you watch CNN and claim to see what you see and I watch the same and see what I see, what does that mean to you That it is the media's fault or more the perception of the individual watching these programs??

Why should I watch CNN? I have CNN as part of my Sky package but we dont watch CNN in my family. I have stated a few times already that I watch BBC news.

almondjoy:
Hmmmmmmmmm! Most Nairaland YIM romances and "My Space" love affairs end like this. Not to worry. . . .you will soon find another one smarter than this one to convince you to leave all you are doing and spend all your life savings in Nigeria to marry him. This one did not hit "the right spot" with you at all. Better luck next time!

he he he. They always end up in the same situations over and over again.

The guy was unlucky this time becos he did not succeed in getting her to move to nigeria to get married. The next guy may be luckier

My pastor in Nigeria. He is so focussed and driven.

I like people who are intelligent achievers

@Blatant

That there are legitimate issues to be resolved regarding land ownership is undeniable.However,it will be the height of gullibility to believe that this man who is approaching close to 3 decades in power is motivated merely by a desire to resolve this issue.

When he is handing out choice farms to his family and cronies,is that all part of the land redistribution programme? He has enough money stashed away in foreign bank accounts to have carried out the land reforms a long time ago.

What you have is a man seeking to exploit genuine grievances for selfish purposes to the detriment of his people.

@blue sky

I was stunned by Blatant's initial post.[b]Anybody watching TV programmes on Zimbabwe over the past 7 years would know that many parts of Zimbabwe look like any modern Western city.[/b]If he had simply said he hadn't seen such before, fair enough,but to claim that the Western media didn't show this is ludicrous .

Please could you tell me exactly where I have tried to state that Mugabe is such a good guy

I stated that I had never seen so much of Zimbabwe on the news and I stand by it. My colleagues are saying the same so it just cant be me. BTW, I watch news 24 religiously. I dont watch American channels and I have never researched into Zimbabwean politics so maybe that's why I have never seen such. Pwerhaps those of you who have been so interested as to go and serach for things on Zimbabwe have seen more of it than me and my colleagues.

I NEVER had any vision of Zimbabwe with such roads till recently!!!

either this thread is a joke, or your very silly, or just plain stupid.

how can u assume that zimbabwe does not have roads? do u even know anything about zimbabwe, what western media pictures are you on about, because the ones i'm seeing are perfectly fine.

Rant over

An idiotic rant to be ignored

From the same interview

VP: There was a sense that the government was investing heavily in the social sector. The educational issue was being resolved, and for the first time people in rural areas had access to health care. Here was a government that was committed to change and inclusion. At that time there were no illusions about the big issue of the farms. There was an agreement, the Lancaster House Agreement negotiated in London in 1979-80, that land was not going to be touched for at least 10 years. By then, the ten-year period was elapsing.

The government had encouraged farmers to support the emerging education system and health system by building primary schools and clinics on the big farms. Some became model farms, providing electricity and water – but they really were the exception.

There was a sense that if farmers participated in this, they were going to get brownie points and national credibility. On the news, items would appear about what this or that farmer had done, schools and health centres being opened by ministers. In spite of that, a major study by the Zimbabwean Ministry of Education and the Swedish International Development Agency found that children on commercial farms had the worst access to education of any group.

And then two things hit. The structural adjustment and the drought, almost simultaneously.

IMF/World Bank parachute in

open: Tell us about the structural adjustment.

VP: It happened in ’92/’93. The economy was growing, something like 5-6% a year. And the package was presented as a home-grown policy by some, but in fact it was very much imposed on the government.

AG: By?

VP: Well, by the World Bank and IMF. Structural adjustment programmes were still used as models then, although there was heavy criticism. Now they have been abandoned. But one of the reasons was to expand the industrial base. So major privatisations began. The civil service, providing a huge amount of employment, was decimated.

School fees were introduced in urban areas at primary school level. This was only twelve or thirteen years after the country became independent. Although the schools were stronger, they still had a long way to go. They argued that people had the money in urban centres, but large numbers were living on very low incomes. So they introduced a hardship fund.

The hardship fund seemed completely unworkable, partly because the civil service cuts removed all the structures that could have administered it. So children were dropping out of school, even going to live in the rural areas. They were living with relatives, or building their own homes; sometimes squatting around boarding schools.

Primary school children from the towns would come on buses, with a small amount of money, building huts. I have pictures of a family of children. They’ve built a little playpen in the ground, with sticks for the smaller children. Living without any supervision.

Another issue was the introduction of medical fees. If you weren’t in a position to pay, you weren’t meant to, but it was all very badly administered. So, gradually, the gains made in education and health were being eroded through the structural adjustment. And the drought on top of that had a devastating effect.

As part of the structural adjustment process, the Zimbabweans had been persuaded to sell the grain stores, which they kept for security, but which were expensive. The drought hit just after that. Now that they had no grain stores, they had to start buying in grain with foreign exchange, which came mainly from the commercial farm sector, the only real export sector. There was still no real industrial base. They became more dependent on the commercial farm sector, and its position became more entrenched.

Of course the economy has since continued to decline. The government and Mugabe have been criticised for this. And now they have chosen their whipping boy, in the white farmers

interesting interview

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-africa_democracy/article_399.jsp

It also talked about the rich white city-dwellers

I'm not a Mugabe fan. I'm just trying to get a few things in their right perspectives

From the interview again

There is a tragedy of unresolved racial issues in Zimbabwe. And it’s finding expression now in all kinds of ways. Mugabe is able to tap into an undercurrent of anger and resentment that is in fact highly justified. I have been on farms where people literally scuttle away from the farmer. Almost like they are not entitled to be on that same path. They’re not being paid in money, but in kind through the farm shop. Gross exploitation, gross racism.

Kobojunkie:
So the MDC ( Zimbabwe Opposition party) is wrong then?? Seems you beleive you have Zimbabwe's problem figured out better than the MDC does?? http://www.mdc.co.zw/economy.asp Do your research, That is the MDC Website there for you to go to and read up on what they believe and probably know better than you do to be the problem in Zimbabwe.

i'm wary of getting into discussions with you because of your penchant for throwing insults.

However, that is the opposition party's website and you do not expect the opposition party to tell you anything other than evil about the government, or maybe you do
Of course, the MDC knows more than I do about Zimbabwe but while trying to justify your hatred of Mugabe, you are missing my point that the hunger and deprivation is NOT A RESULT OF MUGABE'S ATTEMPTS TO HOLD ON TO POWER but a result of sanctions and and withdrawal of grants which the country had hithero used to good effect.

4 Play:
The TV station you saw the roads in,was it part of the "Eastern media"? Anybody who has been watching news stories about Zimbabwe over the years on TV must have seen many such beautiful places.I know that because I have seen them a lot while watching the BBC.

I find it ludicrous that you could have been watching all these stories on Zimbabwe on TV and never noticed till now.

Maybe you have been watching a different BBC from the one all of us in my office (I am the only black man here) have been watching  

4 Play:
However,almost all these places were like this during the "apartheid" regime of Ian Smith.Its like coming in 10 years time to tell us that it is because of the ANC that South Africa has beautiful structures.

How do the good roads you saw affect the main issue-that Mugabe's attempts to hold on to power has led to hunger and deprivation in what was one of Africa's most prosperous nations.

I think you'll find, if you do a little more research (not necessarily finding your information from the same people or set of organisations) that the hunger and deprivation is not a result of his attempts to hold on to power but a result of sanctions and withdrawals of grants etc.

I'm not a fan of Mugabe's but most people have ascribed too many things to him unfairly

Jids:
Grow up and think straight. a loaf of bread cost more that 10,000,000 Zimbabwean currency and this is great leader?,

He took the Land back, what has he done with them?, has he continue farming on them?NO,
REST MY CASE

What is paramount should not be the cost of a loaf of bread but the affordability of it.

Mugabe did not display good judgement when he took the land back from the white occupiers. He should have made proper plans so that the lands will continue to be properly farmed but the lands seem to be wasted now.

redsun:
On gaining independence,british goverment agreed to compesate the people for their land,but till present no money has been given in respect of that.

This is the crux of the matter in Zimbabwe but a lot of people do not understand that there is more than what the media potrays to them or what the media would have them know.

I cannot judge on whether or not Mugabe did right but I know that his methods are rather crude. However, I know that Britain is indirectly responsible for the present predicament in Zimbabwe

Mugabe should have known that Britain has so much influence that they will pull the plugs on him if he should try to become independent minded. The whole nation is paying the price for that.

There are many leaders in Africa who are puppets to western governments hence they are not considered evil like Mugabe. The day that any of them turns their backs on the west for any reason, it wont be long till their nationals start suffering and their regimes get pulled down for being bad.

Until such a time that Africans decide to start consuming what they produce, we will remain under bondage to the western imperialists

I was amazed to see clips of Zimbabwe in the last couple of days showing decent roads and vehicular transportation with people buying newspapers etc.

The pictures that the western media had hitherto presented to us of Zimbabwe had always been pictures of some dingy, dreary huts showing very old women who are always potrayed as hungry and suffering. The impression has always been projected of Zimbabweans all hungry looking and haggard. What I saw on TV yesterday is contrary to what I have seen for the last 7 years or thereabouts when the media has tried to let me know that Mugabe is evil.

The streets which were shown just reminded me of Alagomeji in Lagos when I was growing up.

Why did the media decide not to show realistics pictures/movies of Zimbabwe till they realised that the end is near for Mugabe?

No one is ever born gay!!!

If a homosexual comes to church to try and change his ways, he should be welcomed. But if a homo comes to the congregation because the teaching accepts that he is allowed to keep practicing his homosexuality, I will NEVER be part of that kind of congregation.

The Bible is clear on God's stand relative to homosexuality so it is either you accept it or you go and form your own gay associations.

Na by force to go to church?

By Revd Chris Okotie

There was a time when I couldn't tell the right from wrong
There was a time when I couldn't tell which way to go
I ran and went away in search of pleasure, far away from You
Now I've turned around and i'm coming back to you
please take me back

Now I see the light, it's shining so bright
Jesus is the light that shines
Now I see the light, it's shining so bright
Jesus is the Light, yes I see the light

How about arresting all the politicians and interrogating them on what they have done since they occuppied their respective offices?

Nigerians in America work 18hours a day: no time to really live their lives. THEY LIVE TO WORK!

How can you say British are stingy when they travel far more than the average American? Naija in America only go to naija once in 5 years whereas we go to naija 2ce/3ce or more every year. When naija in America goes to naija once in 5 years, he spends all his 5yrs savings to impress knowing that he wont be in naija again for a long time.

MOST Nigerian graduates who come to do post grad in UK and America excel in their studies. Although I cant speak for recent graduates, I do know that most of those who travelled abroad for post grad that I know excelled and several of them were so good that they got corporate schorlarships for further studies. I know several Nigerians who started with PGD's but were urged on till they got PHD's.

Una too dey condemn everything Nigerian

almondjoy:
Infact that is the key problem here. The "ultimatum" You have said it all. It is a tough choice. If I were ever given this kind of ultimatum from a sweetheart like "you". . .I really do not care if you have a job or not. I think I will love you enough to at least come home and see your face. Even if no be face I go chop. Nice one Yemi.

I did not think that such a "small" boy like you would understand sensitive things like this. Not because we share the same views but because it shows you really examined this matter from all angles.

God job baby brother. . .more "agape" love coming your way!


Dalby, you are a man. If your wife was in this position, what would you wish her do? Ignore your requests to move back home while you guys live apart for another 3-5 years? All I saying is that she should at least reason with him so they can map out a plan to be together at least for a short while. She can always come back. If she tries and it doesn't work out, then the world will know that she at least tried. Unless the man is a menacing husband envious of her progress. What is she really afraid of? Her safety or insecuity of a jobless spouse?

In that case let him file for a divorce and let them both get on with their lives period. This is not a marriage but a sham. Sometimes men are motivated when they have their wives around them. He is probably very unmotivated now since this quest for Irish "residency" has rendered him a second class citizen in his own matrimonial home. If he does not have a job now, who says his luck cannot change when she visits or anytime from now? Then again we have children separated from their father. . . that is the one I just cannot tolerate! If she does not want to move back home, please let her give him his children abeg so she can remain single and prosperous in Ireland!

Period!

almondjoy, are you married?

you might be a great wife to one lucky guy some day

God bless you

Black car, Sly, dainty,

god bless una. some of the people here would go to any length to ascribe any evil to nigeria. Sometimes I wonder why they bother to come to a forum of Nigerians if they despise the Nation and its Nationals so much

Worse things happen abroad but we are always keen to say we are the worst.

This is one of those pointers to those who never believe that Westerners have any great interest in Africa and it's politics.

I heard the interview with Simon Mann on Channel 4 a couple of weeks ago and I was not suprised. (The interview itself had a patronising tone. The guy has absolutely no respect for Africans. He sees Africans as disposable elements in the proper world politics and power play) When African governments make allegations, some people have been programmed not to believe those allegations but to believe every lie of westerners.

They dont want to see how ugly the person they're kissing is

How the man go happy if you don shag someone else after una don meet?
when I was younger, if you followed any other man after our meeting, you can only be good for shagging and nothing serious: even if we had not officially started dating.

I am too jealous to overlook such things and I believe there are many men like that although some dont like to own up to it.

By Rev Chris Okotie

As the mountains round Jerusalem
So the Lord is round His people
My heart will never fear in times of war,
My heart is fixed, it'll never fail - no way

chorus
Jehovah Shamah, the Lord is here
Jehovah Tsidkenu, the Lord my righteousness
Jehovah Rapha, the Lord my healer
Jehovah Sabaoth, the Lord the man of war

I will lift my hands unto the Lord
deliverer of all His people
Lover of my soul, I'll always trust in you
My heart is fixed, it'll never fail - no way

chorus

almondjoy, you too talk.
the people you know are the ones who live in those kind of places. and such places are only common in London. It's mainly illegals who cant move out who live in such squalid conditions.

Nothing dey for thia! UK na for people when no fit get visa come US! That na Nigeria backyard!

absolutely wrong. most of us here can go to US anytime we want but we chose to live here. Many Africans in the US work have to work for about 18hrs: what kind of life is that?

4Him:
Whites have discovered a new way to make money . . . using us as emotional blackmail.

That's why I hate those charity things like children in need and all the concerts where musicians want to re-establish themselves by using Africa. We allow ourselves to be used as tools too many times.

I dont believe what I am reading from some here.

Was the war premised on Saddam's removal? Would the war have been sanctioned if it was for the removal of Saddam?

I always believe that Americans are not excessively brutal. However, if you tell me that the American parliament voted for a war which has led to the extermination of probably hundreds of thousands of lives just because they wanted to remove Saddam, then one needs to seriously think about the kind of people who make laws in America