₦airaland Forum

IamAtikulate:
That is why Tinubu is a better politician than all of them. But terrible at governance.

Ambode fell out with Tinubu years before the electiom, but he waited till the primary to remove him, even though he had the power to impeach him. Tinubu is a smooth operator and the madness happening in Rivers don't have his signature.

Agreed I actually mentioned the same example.

JagabanB:
If u are so intelligent u would have been able to read between the lines, admitting that people above u are "the dumbest creatures u have seen" clearly shows u are dûmb.
That's what most of u online Albert Einstein are too dûmb to understand, I am bringing it to ur attention, yet u are so dûmb u think it's me defending polîticians.
Ur dûmbñèss stinks so bad.

You're mumu ramblings are getting boring at this point. You can't explain what makes these creatures intelligent or the wisdom in their strategy. This is because you conflate intelligence with power. Yes a fool can have power over you but it doesn't make then intelligent. It seems you're just on your fools errand defending the indefensible. If being a mumu pleases you continue unabashed with the idiotic creatures you revere.

Whalis:
Let me school you a little as you have little knowledge of the matrix of politics. If those members remain PDP the issue at stake would be interpreted as in-house issue. As they have defected it is a case of the party having the highest members in the house has the speakership.

That's still an idiotic reason to defect and risk losing your seat. The veto proof majority was already capable of selecting any speakers they wanted. They could force though any agenda they pleased. The interpretation of it being an in-house issue doesn't matter? They would remain in their seats regardless till their term is up and would be able to switch parties later. Their impatient served nobody.

JagabanB:
I am sure if we are on a TV program, where u have an audience u are talking to, u will be f00Iish enough to spew same tràsh u are spewing now.
It's easy to type.
It's very easy to be extremely intelligent in a faceless forum.
Intelligent men are never interested in businesses involving "dûmbest creatures they have ever seen".

Lol, why shouldn't I be interested in this topic of politics and strategy? There are plenty of lessons to be learned in their failures. Yes, they're foolish, and they should be studied as a cautionary tale. If you weren't as dense as the mumus you hold in high esteem, you wouldn't need me to explain this to you.

JagabanB:
A conversation is not defeñsè and attàck, but the Albert Einstein of Nairaland is not even aware of that.
Lol.
Intelligent people doñ't have interest in the affairs of the "dûmbest creatures" they have ever seen, u keep making a jóké of ur inteIIigence with every reply, guess u are looking for engagement afterall.
U have interest in being a politician, u know u cañ't make the cut.
The definition u posted already made u understand that they are elites but since that definition is too compIex for ur extremely intelligent mind I guess this one below is down to ur level.

I already told you I don't have Interest in being a politician clown. I told you I have interest in the subject and actions since it has effect on society. It's the same reason one should have an interest in the weather or crime. Politicians don't meet the definition you posted, but like a mumu, you argue blindly. They aren't the richest members of society or best educated or group in the society. The average politician doesn't hold a doctorate degree and doesn't on the forbes Forbes list. These guys aren't very impressive unless you believe voting yourself or stealing other people money is impressive. Even telling me they're powerful is questionable. Just look at how these clowns in the majority can't effect their collective will. They were too stupid to simply understand math. They're also easily bought with a cash via lobbying hence so maybe the business owners should be considered elite by this definition not the politician.

Kukutente23:
You're right about the dumbness of the move and the fact that it's an unforced error.
The guiding principle that led them to the error is simply sycophancy. They saw their boss singing the mandate song and they felt oblige to join.
Also I suspect they thought defecting will guarantee them federal protection which is a dumb way to think as you said

I agree I do believe there's a beta male culture pervasive in Nigerian politics. These State Assembly men worship the executive branch like they're serving a king. This is one reason I believe there's never been a overrided veto any state. It's happened at the national level where it's more difficult in a bicameral house.

Other than that I can bet this move didn't involve Tinubu. As much as I loathe these cretins I admit he's a smooth operator. Getting rid of Ambode via an open primary was a smart move. If he was consulted I know they would have excerised patience and tact.

JagabanB:
Ur reply sounds so funny, more like a kid playing in the sand.
"Nîgeriàn polîticians are the dumbest creatures u have ever seen..." Bla Bla Bla, they are so dûmb, yet u cañ't beat them in the game, u dón't have interest in politics yet u are hands on with what happens in politics.
The point I am aiming is ur deIusion thinking u are smart, u are so smart yet u are under a duII polîtician whose decisions affects ur smart way of life?
I open threads to read, probably get information, that's why I open threads when I have time to do that.
Ur statement is what I am aiming.
U are so intelligent, why staying under the "dûmbest creatures" u have ever seen?
Polîticians are not elites?
I see how great ur intelligence is.

Blue3k:
Lol who told you I desire to be a politician?

Lol what a mumu reply this is. You clearly are as dull as the animals you're failed to defend.
I said I do not have interest in being a politician. I have an interest in politics. Please read before making idiotic rants. Yes idiots can affect my life that doesn't change the fact they're idiots. By your weird logic you're ready to call any fool brilliant because they're elected just like you call any religious figure holy because they have a title.

No, they're not elites dudes. I asked you what they're elite at. Do you consider them some sort of nobility? The vast majority aren't important and wield little to no power or influence. The definition of elite is below tell me what makes them elite.

Bump

Difrent:
You have a point. But what is the assurance that they will be able to use the numerical strength to impeach the governor if they remained in Pdp?
No assurance.
In fact a court just recognized the leader of the Fubara faction as the authentic speaker which gave them the power to convene at government house and approve governor Sim budget proposals .
So you see that the faction with the lower number but with the backing of the executive governor is the one making decisions and not the majority faction.

The guy you quoted was also right in his assertion that calling Nigerian Politicians dumb and these same dumb people rule over you means you are even Dumber than them.
How can our wiseness not make us see that we keep electing the same people we claim to be wiser than

There's no assurance in life besides death. If you're only going to do things when you have absolute certainty then remain in the party with the current majority. These fact don't change by changing parties so your argument is moot. I don't understand how you guys reason.

It was not the backing of the governor it was these dumb animals running off a cliff like Wiley Coyote that sealed their fates. The laws were in place whether theu had the governors blessing or not. They had the new veto proof majority to do as they pleased since their colleagues engaged in an unforced error.

It's foolish of both you to measure intelligence by holding a political post instead of their actions and mental ability. Intelligence by normal people is defined on having the ability to think and reason. By your weird logic you're ready to call any fool brilliant because they're elected just like you call any religious figure holy because they have a title.

JagabanB:
I doñ't give a gooooddddamnnn fvck about Rivers poIitics, what I care about is the f00Iishness inherent in u folks who are only smart behind the keyboard, this ur intelligence won't display itself when u find urself in real life situations that demand it.
"Nîgeriàn polîticians are the dumbest creatures..." Yet they are ur eIite while u hide every four years with ur superior knowledge, if u are so intelligent to discover how dûmb they are, they shouldn't stand a chance against u at the polls.
But unfortunately, u won't even score 50 votes if u contest for ordinary counselor.

Lol you really are as dull as the creatures you failed to defend. I noticed you still can't explain how anything I said is incorrect. You just resort to ad hominem attacks to deflect from reality. You're making claims you can't back up about me. Lol who told you I desire to be a politician?

Nigerian politicians are elite at what exactly? They are just great at winning elections and voting themselves money. Why did you click on a thread about the subject you don't give a damn about? Don't you have better things to do, like maybe clicking things you like and care about?

JagabanB:
The average Nigerian is very intelligent, logical, sophisticated, enlightened when sitting behind the keyboard while others are dûmb.
Just like u think u are wiser than them now.
One thing I have noticed about dûmb people is that they are quick to call others dûmb, intelligent people doñ't talk so much about intelligence like intelligent wannabes.
If u are so smart, u should be beating at the polls not the other way round.

Yawn just like your friend you're just rambling instead of presenting a counter argument. Their actions were foolish and you can't defend them. It seems you're just as dense as the creatures you're defending. What a pity.

Righthussle:
Can you prove that they actually defected?

It's been reported that they have and the individuals in question never denied it. If they didn't defect they can go to court and deny it. I don't need to speak for them.

Nigerialabalaba:
Na because similaye Fubara don do wetin dem say musiliu Obanikoro do to city hall to d state house of Assembly nau

OK let's say they can't use city hall temporarily they can form a quorum somewhere else to conduct business. If there's a state law saying they can't just wait till then change the law. Again it's a veto proof majority.

rinzaugustine:
By the time fubara block their salaries for 1 year they will become full time behggars in streets of PH

I can't feel sorry for those foolish creatures. There's nothing stopping them for exercising subversive control if they did want to be Wike's errand boys.

Felabrity:
Blud think he knows politics better than them

Their idea was prolly to turn Rivers to an APC state, blud

An Appeals to authority is a logical fallacy. Come with a counter argument of I will simply consider you part of their ilk incapable of strategic planning. If the idea is to turn the state into an APC state, you'd wait till the next election instead of risking your seat being vacated for nothing. They're counting on their constituency changing their minds either way.

Nigerian politicians are probably the dumbest creatures. The actions of the Rivers state assembly men had no strategic value. 27 is greater than 4. More importantly, it's a veto proof majority. This means they could impose their collective agenda regardless of the governor's opinion.

Defecting is simply a symbolic gesture that accomplishes nothing that they couldn't do in their current party. If they did want to defect, it could wait until the next election. The only reason for the theatrical mass defection is to say APC controls one more houses of assembly.

Update:
The governor foolishly allowed the state assembly members to keep their seats diluting his political power in the name of peace. The PDP in name only faction proceeds to override the governors vetos. This proves there was no point in rushing to switch parties. They maintain power and can pursue any APC policy they wish.

RepoMan007:
Cc: lol.

Lol they do this because they won't let the companies charge market rate for electricity. They did the same with petrol until the resulting in shortages and high subsidies till they couldn't sustain it. It looks like they will have to learn the lesson in this market.

WhereMyLoud:
Its a shame we agreed to democrazy.!! Crazy bunch of politicians with nothing upstairs to push the country forward.. Ogboni drug men and blood ritualists only after their pocket..

If only you had a monarch or dictator do the thinking for masses right? The dumb populace will re elect everyone of these guys in four years as long the right logo next to their name.

GOTVee:
Our lord and savior Jesus christ admonished we Christians to love our neighbors as ourselves but the present generation of Christians are a disgrace to Christianity.

Admonish means to warn against.

It's possible to get rid of these types just like the El Salvador president did. Since Nigerians don't want to expand gun rights to civilians to defend themselves from these bandits. The populace will have to opt for a more iron fisted government.

MS13 is more wild than these bandits and they were taken care of. You may have to give up on liberal ideals. That means alot death, more prisons, limiting access to lawyers and holding alot of young men in prisons. That's essentially what's going on in El Salvador.

imagrg:
In the present dispensation, Governor Obaseki is asking the State Pensioners to choose between their monthly pension and their gratuity when they demanded their unpaid gratuity since 2012.

Our old builders of the State are suffering.
Pensions doesn't tally with the present day economic realities yet the government is paying deaf ears to the cry of our supposed Senior Citizens.

This is unfair!

Interesting this must mean Pensioners aren't a huge voting block compared to thr other demographics. I could never imagine any state in America saying the cut pensions or federal government with social security. They might aswell hand they other party the seat for the next 100 years.

braveboi4life:
SIEC are all scam, why can't INEC conduct LG elections during general elections.

How can we have grassroot Development when the closest leaders to the people are selected by emperor governors

Nothing stops the state assembly from making laws correcting the issue. Nobody hold them responsible just opting to blame the governors. The state assembly is the rubber stamp assembly in Nigeria. Constitutionally it's the state government that responsible for these elections.

The system of local government by democratically elected local government councils is under this Constitution guaranteed; and accordingly, the Government of every State shall, subject to section 8 of this Constitution, ensure their existence under a Law which provides for the establishment, structure, composition, finance and functions of such councils.

1999 Constitution SEC 7-1

Despite the Senate resolution, however, the federal government is expected to continue to release statutory allocations to the 774 local governments across Nigeria based on constitutional provisions.

• Why not pass a law barring the FG from Allocating cash if you sure its legal? There seems to be bipartisan support. Resolutions can be ignored and forgotten but laws won't be.

• Why not make a Senate resolution asking the Various state assemblies to pass laws on local election? There's nothing stopping them constitutionally from doing so. Most Nigerians just use the governor as the scapegoat because they don't care to hold their state assemblies' responsible.

• If care taken committee are illegal make it an act of treason to subvert constitutionally authority. After you arrest a few of the governors puppets they will get the message. The reason they don't quit is because there's consequences.

The system of local government by democratically elected local government councils is under this Constitution guaranteed; and accordingly, the Government of every State shall, subject to section 8 of this Constitution, ensure their existence under a Law which provides for the establishment, structure, composition, nance and functions of such councils.

1999 Constitution SEC 7-1

The Senate has asked the federal government to stop the statutory allocation of funds to local government councils whose chairpersons were not democratically elected.

The resolution followed a motion by the Senate Minority Leader, Abba Moro, during the plenary on Friday.

Mr Moro, the senator representing Benue South under the platform of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), complained that some state governors dissolved elected local government officials and replaced them with caretaker committees.

The senator specifically identified Benue State Governor, Hyacinth Alia, as one of the Nigerian governors running affairs of local governments with caretaker committees.

He said the development was against the constitutional provision of the local government system.

Mr Moro therefore urged members of the upper chamber to condemn the use of caretaker chairpersons as administrators of local governments.

The majority of the senators supported the motion when it was put to debate.

Adams Oshiomhole (APC, Edo North) argued that the state governors do not have political power to dissolve elected local government officials and replace them with caretaker committees.

Mr Oshiomole, a former governor of Edo State, recounted his experience when he refused to dissolve elected local government officials when he was a governor.

He stated that about 16 state governors are currently running their LGAs with caretaker committees.

The Chief Whip of the Senate, Ali Ndume, also supported the motion.

Mr Ndume, the senator representing Borno South and member of the All Progressives Congress (APC), condemned the use of caretaker chairpersons as administrators of local government councils.

He urged the Senate to encourage the Federal Ministry of Finance to stop the release of funds to local government areas run by caretaker committees.

Abdulfatai Buhari (APC, Oyo North) called for the amendment of the Electoral Act to empower the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) to conduct local government elections.

The Senate President, Godswill Akpabio, advocated for the establishment of the National Electoral Commission for Local Government to stop state governors from influencing LG elections.

Mr Akpabio, a former governor of Akwa Ibom State, put the motion to vote and the senators voted overwhelmingly in its support.

He, thereafter, directed the Clerk of the Senate to communicate the resolution to the appropriate authorities.

Despite the Senate resolution, however, the federal government is expected to continue to release statutory allocations to the 774 local governments across Nigeria based on constitutional provisions.

Source:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/648217-senate-asks-fg-to-stop-allocation-of-funds-to-lgs-run-by-caretaker-committees.html

I keep asking the same question but nobody seems to have an answer. If nobody plans on changing various laws you're essentially asking judges to rule differently based on nothing. If you can't impeach these judges you don't like they have nothing to fear in their lifelong post.

Blue3k:
What solutions do you have in mind? What was wrong with various judgements on legal or logical grounds? I notice everyone complaining about Judges but they're not talking changing laws or restraining judicial powers. It seems alot of people are just concerned they're not getting their preferred judgment.

CoronaVirusPro:
The system needs to be purged of corrupt officials!

Also, the Nigerian immigration need to capitalize on demands by increasing the fees for international passport.

I disagree on raising fee for regular applicants. People who want it faster should pay more. A tiered system would work perfectly, and there would be no need to bribe officers if the government offers the service. Here's an example from the US.

state registry land registry online.
Certificate of occupancy needs to automatic with every land sale. (Policy goal 100% needs to tenured)
Make it as cheap and quick as possible to get a cert of occupancy
Lower income tax rates to encourage investment

Lol the OP has proved the old saying out of sight out of mind.

Some litigants blamed Oyo State politicians for always appointing undeserving judges on political sentiments, eroding the good record of the state among the comity of legal practitioners.

Lol Judges are now appointed politicians? Is it no longer NJC fault reccommending these clowns. When politicians decide to remove these judges the judges run to court and say only allowed to be fires by the NJC. When Cross River rejected NJC nomination they just forced there pick on them because apparently the politicians are only allowed to take when they recommend.

jmoore:
Which tribe founded Ilorin?

And which tribe currently rules Ilorin via a traditional ruler?

Lol I love the flame wars. I wonder if anyone is still sore over these events 200 years later.

Sell drugs...

Remember state government rule over over traditional rulers. The Oba is no different. That doesn't mean any of these politicians will keep their seat if they decide to reduce the Oba's power. Anyway let's enjoy the potential fireworks.