₦airaland Forum

KwaraRat:
Setting off red flags on your proposed intent on wanting to revoke your citizenship either as s political statement or to evade criminal investigation or prosecution for a yet to be revealed crime.

Do you not understand this or what ?

The govt will be right to ask on your motives for such since only those who fall in tjr category stated above are most likely to request for such revocation .

Haba.

Read my posts again and don't conclude for me

Nobody concluded for you. You told me not to underestimate the criminals at the DSS. Now you're telling me that anyone who doesn't have citizenship is a potential criminal. By this logic, anyone who wants to leave the country is a potential criminal because the same logic can be applied. Let's circle back to the original point there's nothing to be afraid of applying to renounce citizenship because you admitted the government has never gone after anyone.

KwaraRat:
Who said the govt went after anybody for applying for revocation of citizenship

I only said it will attract the much deserved security scrutiny on why one is applying for such in the first place.

You claimed it would set off a red flag indicating the government would investigate an individual for engaging in a legal process. If you're not under criminal investigation or prosecution how is the scrutiny deserved? You also mentioned the DSS are hardened criminals directly stating they're doing something wrong to individuals applying to renounce citizenship.

I stated there's nothing to worry about simply applying for this citizenship. If you're not under investigation or prosecution nothing will happen and you don't pay the 50k naira till after the process is done.

KwaraRat:
See my post above.

Nobody has been granted such privelage.

The federal Gazzete on citizenship should carry such information you request and it can easily be obtained freely from the Ikoyi federal library .

Having googled countries that forbid dual citizenship , only the Bahamas or Qatar are worth relinquishing ones citizenship but to get both of their citizenship will be impossible for Qatarri and highly expensive for Bahamas.

Stop ducking the simple question I asked you. Name 3 people who the government went after for trying to renounce citizenship. You said it always happens so this shouldnt be hard. I leave it to the government to answer my FOIA. Yes you were very wrong about only north Korea not allowing dual citizenship.

KwaraRat:
Guy, do not underestimate Nigerian security guys.

Forget the egunje levels , those guys reason like hardened criminals especially DSS .

OK simple question can you name 3 people this scenario happened to? You said it always happens so this shouldnt be hard. This conversation make for an interesting FOIA request. How many people have been requested and have been granted renouncement. We can assume the latter is zero since they never announced it.

KwaraRat:
That application will set off red flags around who starts it as the FG will be right to consider your revocation application as an attempt to flee future prosecution for an already committed crime that is yet to be revealed.

Even dual citizenship holders can easily be repatriated back to face criminal investigation and prosecution as they still remain valid citizens and the FG only needs to invoke a court order from Nigeria and serve it to interpol to have one indicted .

This was the case with KANU, but the UK govt overstepped it's bounds and refused to acknowledge Kanu's dual citizenship based not on law but diplomatic principles..

I doubt any of that is true for anyone not currently under investigation or prosecution. Again you said the paper work won't even reach the President's desk and nobody ever been granted this request. Now your telling me the federal government who doesn't care to begin with is going to waste time messing with you because you no longer want your citizenship.

KwaraRat:
Good luck trying to get the President to sign and approve that renunciation application.

It just exists as a formality and falls under the full discretion of the president .

It will never even smell his desk and you can not accelerate the matter via the courts as the law states specifically that it is part of the President's prerogative and not your right.

If you want to dash FG free money and get DSS to start looking for any shred of criminality around you then by all means go ahead.

Most sensible people just take up new citizenship elsewhere and throw the Nigerian passport away which after a few years will rush to apply for another after feeling homesick unless you are fugitive of the law.

True I remember reading that part to. It's funny the NIS didn't bother telling citizens about presidential approval requirements. Anyway at least he doesn't have to pay until service is complete so it doesn't hurt.

Newton2024:
How can I denounce my citizenship as a Nigerian? I am presently in Nigeria with the hope of a nice future in a good society. Is it possible to be stateless.

Yes you can renounce your citizenship but you need to gain another. Good luck to you and please update us if you go through with it

1. Submission of formal application letter to the Ministry of Interior;

2. Obtain the prescribed application form or renunciation citizenship (form G) from the Ministry or online by visiting https://ecitibiz.interior.gov.ng/ and attach the documents listed below for the processing of the application:

Formal application letter for renunciation;
Payment of processing fee of ₦20,000.00 only (generate online);

• Birth certificate
• Local Government/State indigeneship letter;
•Two (2) passport photographs;
•Sworn oath of renunciation by high court or magistrate court;
• Scanned copy of the applicant’s Nigerian international passport;
• A letter from the country whose citizenship is being sought affirming that the applicant will be given citizenship upon renunciation of Nigerian citizenship; and
• Payment of ₦50,000.00 upon approval of request

Godfullsam:
Poverty is not the only cause of insurgency in the north. Religion and bad/poor parenting are the major cause of insurgencies in the north.

This makes more sense. How people honestly believe you become a murder, rapist, terrorist because of poverty is amazing. Poverty exist all over the country yet you don't see other people going into terrorism.

The narrative of poverty causing crime needs to be debunked. Crime rates do go down as poverty decreases. Other factors like culture, parenting, and law enforcement play roles in poverty rates. This relationship can be examined by simply studying states with high crime and poverty rates and then juxtaposing it with demographic data. Who are the people committing these crimes and see what else they have in common?

The Borno State Governor Babagana Zulum says poverty remains the direct cause of insurgency in the North East region.

Speaking during a meeting with members of the Barewa Old Boys’ Association (BOBA) at the Government House in Maiduguri, on Friday, Zulum stressed that there were direct links between poverty, criminality, and the insurgency.

According to him, a good leadership was a panacea to the Boko Haram insurgency.

Hundreds of thousands had been killed and over two million others displaced in the Boko Haram insurgency which started in Borno State in 2009.

The governor said: “For we the leaders, there is the need to do the needful, create the enabling environment for people to find their means of livelihood. The nexus between peace, security, and development should not be over-emphasized, if there is no peace, no development.

“The constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria has clearly spelt out that security is under the control of the Federal Government but that does not mean that the state governments are not important, but they also played a critical role in the situation within the state.

“Once there is no good leadership, nothing can be achieved. As leaders, we need to ensure discipline and accountability and above all monitoring and evaluation.”

Source: https://kaftanpost.com/poverty-major-cause-of-insurgency-in-northeast-zulum/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=poverty-major-cause-of-insurgency-in-northeast-zulum

KingsCity:
It breaches so many of them - freedom of movement, personal liberty, right to life, even right to own property, cause you have to make money before you can acquire properties.

Do these traders own the market? I always assumed it was owned, operated, and regulated by the state. The rest rights violations except life could fit if the first claim is true. I don't understand how you can claim the right to life is being deprived if nobody died or was killed.

33 (1) Every person has a right to life, and no one shall be deprived intentionally of his life, save in execution of the sentence of a court in respect of a criminal offence of which he has been found guilty in Nigeria.

KingsCity:
Ok it breaches the constitution. It breaches fundamental rights of the victims

OK go ahead and cite it. Which one in particular are you referring to?

KingsCity:
How can you shut people’s legitimate means of livelihood without any just cause and say you didn’t break any law?

Who is going to pay for all the revenues lost today because of illegal closure of markets?

Some of them deal on perishables and one day means a lot. Who is going to bear the losses?

Can you cite the law you're referring to or not? I'm not arguing the morality of their actions. If you're going to go to court you'd be asked this simple question. If this isn't against the law get your law makers to outlaw this practice. There's no need to lie claiming something is illegal when it isn't. Now answer my initial question instead of running away.

KingsCity:
It’s completely unacceptable and condemnable to close Lagos markets for APC campaign.

When PDP, Labour and other parties will campaign, will markets also be closed

Which law was broken?

NIS is going to start working on Saturdays now to clear their backlog. They're just increasing their cost temporarily to fix this issue. The other to changes would be a permanent fix to their woes.

The statement reads: “The comptroller-general has directed that passport offices across the country with a high volume of pending applications to work on Saturdays.

“The period for this exercise is expected to be every Saturday commencing from December 3, 2022, to January 28, 2023, between the period of 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

“This is to enhance our service delivery to our esteemed clients.

“The Saturday proceeding the Christmas and New Year holidays are exempted.”

iLoveYouToo:
I believe blasphemy is a crime but the penalty shouldn’t be the death sentence. That’s what this litigation is about and I hope he wins.

What's your legal argument for that opinion? Is it constitutional?

DAENNINGA:
Granted, the Chief Judge doesn't doesn't have mind control powers. He has the powers to constitute the panel in such a manner that only persons whose biases tilts in favour of his position. Every Judge no matter how upright has his own personal experiences, biases and idiosyncrasies. Those biases affects their judgements in one way or the other. The Chief Justice knows them all. If I may ask, why did President Buhari remove the former Chief Judge,Justice Walter Ononoghen from office?

kpakpakpa:
The op is bigot period.

The CJN has the power to influence any judgement at supreme court and beyond. Or did he think that to occupy that post is ceremonial? In truth, the cjn is the head of the judiciary just like the president is to the executive arm of the government. So can he say that the president don't have power to make decisions unless they are approved by FEC?

If your argument is correct you should be able to show me that the Chief justice is never or rarely be on in the minority opinion. If you have evidence to show do so now. The justices aren't zombies hence they won't just write whatever to please him. They get paid regardless. Justice Ononoghen was accused of corruption.

You're a clown kpakpakpa. Both of you are making assertions but don't present anything to prove your points. If the Chief Justice has all this power you should be able to should a track record of ruling showing they're never or rarely in the minority opinion.

potent5:
What do we need his picture for? Judicial officers are supposed to be shielded from the social media.

He's a public figure with his picture on the Supreme Court website. If he's supposed to be shielded they government is doing a bad job.

DAENNINGA:
I laugh at you in Swahili...whilst it is true that there are multiple judges on the panel to give their judgements and opinion on matters before them, the Chief judge has the capacity to affect the decisions in one way or the other.
More importantly, who sets up the panel?
It is the Chief judge.

The chief doesn't have mind control powers. His sway is just like any other. If you have evidence of other justices rule the same 50% of the time or more in majority opinions I'd like to see it. The second argument is more important but again these Justices have their minds. None of you guys bother to speak a word on the legal opinions of the other 12 justices because of the hyperfocus on the chief justice. It's obvious most of you don't know who the others are or what they believe.

Freebills12:
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Is it only blasphemy! People are being marginalized...the Igbos of the South East and you see nothing wrong with that, if they are going to amend, they should begin with addition of referendum.

The important thing is the secession clauses. I don't know why you guys are crying even when a policy you want is being suggested. Lol, my concern becomes irrelevant if you can vote to leave at will.

JASONjnr:
It appears you have digressed from a good point of view to throwing insults.

At this point....I will refused to be dragged down by a kid who doesn't even know the nonsense he's posting but to quote Google to back up his points...

If you have addressed the issues....You'd state them clearly...but you throw insults and claim you address issues?

Swerve....Kids like you are the urchins on this forum.

Lol clown u fired the first shot saying I have no sense. Now you want to cry. You're a liar and hypocrite. If you don't have anything to debate that's fine. You can't even tell me what point I didn't address. You've been exposed yet again clown.

JASONjnr:
You said I did nothing and now you claimed you explained?

That's stupid of you.....

You don't address what's said....You throw in insults and that's not how reasonable people disagree. Only kids and urchins disagree with fowl words....You need a growing up to do.

You're an idiot if you don't know what an empty means in this context. Look at definition 2 FYI. I addressed your points each time and exposed you as a liar for claiming I wanted him to lose his case. It's not an insult to call a stupid person stupid it's fair comment. What comment did I not address?

JASONjnr:
If my criticism is empty....Why are you trying to convince me otherwise?

I wonder what you think anyone can do to fight you Muslims?

You claimed he's in a death round....You know fully well that he won't survive it and I know that if you're privilege to set your eyes on him, you will likely be the one to take his head....

I see the blasphemy in you... especially the cutting of head.

Your Critique of the Aminu is empty and I explained why. I address what's said because that's how men are supposed to have their disagreements. I'm not a Muslim clown. You're an idiotic liar. I have multiple posts and threads supporting the atheist and these trail blazers on trial. I hope they win. Your last sentence is idiotic drivel and a sad attempt at being clever.

Phamo0:
Bro please just mention one state in this our country Nigeria you are sure is righteous. and please follow dictionary definition of righteous. Thank you.
I will be waiting for your reply

Lol it doesn't matter who I believe is righteous. The point is to have a secession clauses.

JASONjnr:
If he wasn't attacked....He probably wouldn't see anything wrong with the blasphemy....

And the north rises to kill in the name of blasphemy and I never said they are fighting blasphemy....

And who told you it isn't the popular opinion in the North?

Mind you, I'm in the North.....you can't tell me otherwise.

You don't know him so you don't know his previous feeling on blasphemy. He made the song and fought the case while you did nothing but make empty criticisms about the man in the ring. If it's the popular opinion blasphemy laws should be revoked there'd be need for the court case. Just elect politicians who will do so. It's clearly not since that not happening. There's no silent majority against it. It's vocal majority after him.

MrExcel:
Wetin u dey talk sef

JASONjnr:
That guy doesn't have sense...

You don't know about Atiku deleted post regarding Deborah's murder? You both think Atiku will solve this. If he doesn't win don't expect Atiku comment on the courts decision being wrong.

JASONjnr:
And you are extremely dull to think backwardly...

He's a Sufi Muslims challenging the killings in the name of blasphemy.

Lol your such a clown. You contradict yourself to easily. The north isn't rising to fight blasphemy it's a few individuals. It's not the popular opinion in the north hence why Sharia exists. The second fact is the guy was attacked by his fellow northers.

JASONjnr:
You're the one trolling me by quoting me up and down.

Lol having a frank conversation isn't trolling. You don't seem to understand basic internet terms.

MrExcel:
People fighting on behalf of God?
Atiku and Okowa will change all these abnormalities

Lol don't be silly he couldn't even call out that girl's killers. He won't touch this story either because it's too politically and religiously controversial. Give credit to Aminu abd his lawyers if the win.

JASONjnr:
You know that you Muslims can't take what you give ....

When GEJ declared war o. Boko haram, Elrufai came out shouting that killing a Boko haram is killing a Northerner....And with a subtle threat...He said the north doesn't forget....

My only concern is you Yoruba Muslims....

You're clearly trolling because the longer you talk the less sense you make. El rufia statements to Jonathan have nothing to do with this. Besides Aminu is a Sufi Muslim. I'm neither Yoruba or Muslim.

JASONjnr:
If a Muslim was killed for blasphemy, the north will rise and fight back.....

Lol this better be sarcastic because of this is utter nonsense.

kpakpakpa:
He MAY get justice cos that sharia cjn is no longer there.

What I hate most is how this law is applicable only to the poor. BTW, I'm not understanding the numbers you quote up there.

The former Sharia CJN is one vote on Supreme Court. I don't know why you guys act like there isn't multiple Justices who sit on the Supreme Court. All he needs is a majority opinion in your favor.

The law is enforced differently by their own admission because Islam has a hierarchy. Look at the hisbah quotes from last year they didn't refute. The numbers are sections of the law the lawyers are citing.